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SpiritOfNevaeh
08-12-2014, 05:29 AM
Well, I’ve finally managed to finish reading Assassin’s Creed: Forsaken and this book made me miss Haytham even more. T_T

I’d still pay for Forsaken to become a long DLC or even a full game #shutupandtakemymoneyubi

But yeah, onto the details I figured are worth mentioning.

Haytham had it almost as bad as Connor:

- Lost both parents, lost a friend

- Was nearly hung, almost killed

- Betrayed by a friend, betrayed by his mentor

- AND Still found it unfair that Edward Kenway died from a two man battle, seriously >_>;;. And of course, there were rumors going around that he had been poisoned before the battle.



Parts I now understand after reading the book:


- That part where Braddock shot some guy saying “grateful to have served”

- Braddock deserved to die (Not only did he kill the family looking for passage mentioned in a conversation with Pitcairn in-game, he hung a man for stealing stew from one of his men)

- Braddock only died later succumbing to his injuries and not when we fought him at first, which is what Haytham told Ziio, hence her REAL reason for the break up.

- Braddock was recruiting people in the city before Haytham stole Pitcairn

- Now I know how Birch died, finally found his sister, both got revenge on him and she returned to Queen Anne’s Square.

- The guy that was Haytham’s driver at the beginning was Holden, a good friend of his, which he eventually lost

- Haytham did know that Ziio died and that’s when he found out about the “native boy” from Church/Lee, meaning that he lied to Connor about him not knowing about Ziio’s death, but why?

- So Connor’s necklace was given to him by Ziio some time or another. Maybe at the part where she was stuck in the burning longhouse?

- It was technically Haytham that devised a plan to kill George Washington because he wanted a Templar, specifically Charles, to lead the revolution

- How he found out it was his son in additional to the conversations he had with the other Templars: When he went to free Hickey from the prison, he did get a look at Connor and finally concluded it was his son: “He had his mother’s eyes, the same proud set of his chin, but his mouth and nose were Kenway. He was the image of her, and of me. Without a doubt, he was my son.”

- Haytham thinks Ziio gave Connor his name, not Achilles, so I guess he never knew his real name

- Haytham technically agreed to Connor’s execution but later changed his mind. He was amongst the crowd in a robe and he really was the one that severed the rope after Connor’s assassins weakened it when it failed to cut.

- Something about Charles leaving an imprint on his Templar ring on Connor’s neck



Subtle differences in the book from the game (not going to list them all because some of them are VERY subtle, but the ones I mention might be more obvious):

- Haytham engaged his hidden blade before that “for what’s it’s worth, I'm sorry” quote, while in the game, he stabbed him AFTER he said that.

- That discussion with Lee while escorting him to the inn was used AT the inn.

- That lady innkeeper said “You lying, cheating, no good sonofab*tch” while in the novel the MALE innkeeper says “kiss my arse, ya wench”

- The memory “Johnson’s Errand” looks like it takes place in a bedroom?

- A fight scene between the Cutter and Haytham

- Killing an executioner before stealing his uniform to steal Pitcairn from Braddock and a convoy

- Ziio knew about him having a hidden blade

- Washington was at the tavern during Haytham’s eavesdrop; the tavern fight was not mentioned

- The Boston Massacre was not mentioned

- A native was shot whereas in the game no one can be killed for a full sync

- In “Public Execution,” Connor’s hands were bound in front of him rather than behind

- The “Missing Supplies” dialogue/scene between Connor and Haytham drastically changed

- Apparently, Church was supposedly to sing Rule Britannia before Haytham told him to shut his mouth then Connor proceeded to stab him (if I'm not mistaken, there was a voice clip that was found, wasn’t used in-game, with Church sang it – it lasted for about two minutes.)

- Apparently Haytham had to “raise our notoriety” to get to the Jaegers to get to the loyalist commanders

- Haytham was stabbed in the heart rather than the neck

- Connor and Charles were sitting together at a tavern looking at patrons for hours before he killed him



Confusing game parts even after reading the book because it wasn’t explained or otherwise:

- What did Miko mean by “you should have come to me, we would have found another way,” then Haytham replied “then you would have known. For what it’s worth I'm sorry”? – I'm thinking maybe they could have come to an agreement of some sort?

- Why did Birch send Jenny to be a concubine anyway?

- There's a quote that says “I thought of the last time she and I had been together… and, almost unconsciously, her hands going to her belly.” Could this possibly mean that he knew she was pregnant but thought it was too “farfetched” to be true?

- So according to Kanen’to:kon, how DID Johnson manage to buy the people’s land after the Tea Party?

- Why didn’t Haytham tell Connor that it was really him that saved him?

- After killing “Ben Church’s man,” why did he “check” his body afterwards?

- Still a little confused about the part where Haytham says “the only difference… between myself and those you aid is that I do not feign affection.”


In general, the book was beautifully written and very easy to read surprisingly.

My rating: 10/10 :D Great work, Oliver Bowden.

This is the only book I’ve ever read of the AC franchise only because I grew so attached to Haytham in game and wanted to know more about him, and that’s when I heard about Forsaken.

Now I can't wait to see what Rogue has in store for Haytham and AC3 in general :) Maybe parts of the journal would be in-game as well as some missing dialogues/scenes that were cut out in the first place?

Anyways, if anyone wants to discuss anything, or even answer some questions that I was confused about, feel free to do so.

JustPlainQuirky
08-12-2014, 05:33 AM
I seriously wanted to burn the book when I finished reading it because of feels.

And weeks later Mongolian Tiger said the same thing.

This book was just "The sucky Life of Haytham Kenway" and we need DLC of it STAT.

Fatal-Feit
08-12-2014, 05:46 AM
Haytham had better have as much screen time as Adewale did in AC:IV. And a DLC like Freedom Cry as well. Errrr, well that OR a Connor DLC.

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-12-2014, 05:55 AM
Haytham had better have as much screen time as Adewale did in AC:IV. And a DLC like Freedom Cry as well. Errrr, well that OR a Connor DLC.

If they can do both, I'd be happy :)

Sesheenku
08-12-2014, 06:41 AM
I would have paid any reasonable price for that. That should say something cause I've literally ignored every single other piece of dlc.

I love Haytham, the more I can know about him the better.

Legendz54
08-12-2014, 08:21 AM
Haytham never mentions Shay in forsaken, So there is still much to be found out about him in Rogue that hasn't been revealed yet.

LoyalACFan
08-12-2014, 08:42 AM
So Connor’s necklace was given to him by Ziio some time or another. Maybe at the part where she was stuck in the burning longhouse?

He's got it in the game too. He keeps it on the dresser in his bedroom.

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-16-2014, 12:23 AM
Sorry to bring this old thread up, but I just thought I could try for some answers again since I don't think a lot of people saw this thread due to it being made around the same time of Rogue news ^_^


- What did Miko mean by “you should have come to me, we would have found another way,” then Haytham replied “then you would have known. For what it’s worth I'm sorry”? – I'm thinking maybe they could have come to an agreement of some sort?

- Why did Birch send Jenny to be a concubine anyway?

- There's a quote that says “I thought of the last time she and I had been together… and, almost unconsciously, her hands going to her belly.” Could this possibly mean that he knew she was pregnant but thought it was too “farfetched” to be true?


- So according to Kanen’to:kon, how DID Johnson manage to buy the people’s land after the Tea Party?

- Why didn’t Haytham tell Connor that it was really him that saved him?

- After killing “Ben Church’s man,” why did he “check” his body afterwards?

- Still a little confused about the part where Haytham says “the only difference… between myself and those you aid is that I do not feign affection.”


He's got it in the game too. He keeps it on the dresser in his bedroom.

I was technically talking about the three bear claws necklace he wears all the time. Or maybe he got that himself?

Namikaze_17
08-16-2014, 12:28 AM
*Hugs Humble*

Glad you finished the book...

Great, wasn't it? ;)

poptartz20
08-16-2014, 01:16 AM
Ahh! I'm glad you finished the book! :D

I really enjoyed the read myself as well! It was the first one I picked up too to learn more about Haytham etc.

But yes I noticed he didn't mention Shay but that might have been because They know AC rouge was going to be a thing even back then and purposely gave the book the time gaps that it did on purpose.

Also I don't think Haytham told Connor that he saved him because he wanted to keep it as a secret. And about not telling him sooner about Washington really killing his mother, I believe Haytham does say why he didn't tell him automatically. He wanted Connor to see the error of his ways and make him see for himself that Washington was not the man he thought he was. Also that telling him something like that with no backing evidence there was no way that he would believe him.

also the I do not Feign affection part I believe Haytham was saying that he doesn't fake what he cares for in this case being the rights and freedoms of people? Or maybe washington in this matter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWhc6KGu11E

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-16-2014, 01:29 AM
@Nami

It was :D

@pop

Ah, that makes total sense now. Thanks for clearing that up :)