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SkyChimp
06-07-2004, 07:20 PM
Sikorsky R-4B Hoverfly

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Hoverfly_colour.jpg

It was used operationally in Burma. Be neat to have and operated off carriers.

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SkyChimp
06-07-2004, 07:20 PM
Sikorsky R-4B Hoverfly

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Hoverfly_colour.jpg

It was used operationally in Burma. Be neat to have and operated off carriers.

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tenmmike
06-07-2004, 07:35 PM
your bird looks more like a real helo ////////Origin: Anton Flettner GmbH
Models: A
First Flight: N/A
Service Delivery: 1942
Final Delivery: N/A

Engine: BMW-Bramo Sh 14A Seven-Cylinder radial
Horsepower: 160 hp

Fuel:
Capacity: N/A
Type: N/A

Dimensions:
Rotor Diameter: 11.96m (39 ft. 2.75 in.)
Number of rotor blades: 2
Number of rotors: 2 Fuselage Length: 6.56m (21 ft. 6.25 in.)
Height: 2.20m (7 ft. 2.5 in.)
Weights:
Empty: 760kg (1,675 lb.)
Maximum: 1000kg (2,205 lb.)

Performance:
Maximum Speed: 150 km/h (93 mph)
Range (pilot only): 300 km (186 miles)
Initial climb: N/A
Service Ceiling: N/A

Armament:
None

Avionics: N/A



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Comments:
The Kolibri "Humming Bird" was the first helicopter put into mass production and the only helicopter to make any significant contributions in World War II.


Flettner Fl 282 V6 Kolibri aboard the minelayer "Drache", Aegean Sea, Winter 1942-43

In October, 1942, two Fl 282 helicopters were delivered to Triest with their personnel, including Cpt. Claus von Vinterfeldt, Flettner's pilot Fuisting, other pilot (his name is unknown) and three technicians. Since November, 1942 until January/February, 1943, the first helicopter Fl 282 V6 GF+YF had been employed as the recco' craft over Aegean Sea, basing upon improvised helicopter carrier Kriegsmarine's minelayer "Drach" ("Schiff 50", ex-Yuogoslavian "Zmaj").
The second Fl 232 - CJ+SC was a reserve machine that stayed ashore.




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SkyChimp
06-07-2004, 07:39 PM
The German whirlibird looks like an ultralite. The Sikorsky already has the lines of a modern helicopter.

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NegativeGee
06-07-2004, 08:17 PM
Thats because it was an ultralite.

Here we go, German chopper with more "modern lines":

http://www.vrtulnik.cz/helo2054.jpg

I wonder if FB can handle a rotary wing flight model?

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ElAurens
06-07-2004, 09:09 PM
There is a Hoverfly at the USAF Museum. A very interesting craft. The men who flew it in Burma almost instantly recognised it's potential. I believe the quote of one of the pilots was "Today the 'egg-beater' went into action and the damn thing acted like it had good sense."


http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap23.jpg

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ElAurens
06-07-2004, 09:16 PM
A little more elaboration:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The R-4 was the world's first production helicopter and the Air Force's first service helicopter. The original military model, the XR-4, was developed from the famous experimental VS-300 helicopter, invented by Igor Sikorsky and publicly demonstrated in 1940. The XR-4 made its initial flight on January 13, 1942 and as a result of its successful flight tests, the AAF ordered 3 YR-4As and 27 YR-4Bs for service testing and flight training. Of these 30, one went to Burma and one to Alaska, while several others were assigned to the U.S. Navy, U.S. Coast Guard and British Royal Navy. They showed such promise that the AAF ordered 100 R-4Bs.

The R-4 was first used in combat in May 1944. In a letter to a friend, Col. Philip G. Cochran, Commanding Officer (CO) of the 1st Air Commando Group, wrote "Today the 'egg-beater' went into action and the damn thing acted like it had good sense."

The R-4B on display was donated by the University of Illinois in 1967.

SPECIFICATIONS
Rotor diameter: 38 ft.
Length: 33 ft. 7 3/4 in.
Height: 12 ft. 5 in.
Weight: 2,581 lbs. loaded
Armament: None
Engine: Warner R-550 of 200 hp.
Serial number: 43-46506

PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 75 mph.
Cruising speed: 65 mph.
Range: 130 miles
Service Ceiling: 8,000 ft.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the USAF Museum website.

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Penguin_PFF
06-07-2004, 09:53 PM
The grandfather of a friend of mine flew them in the CBI. I didn't believe her when she told me her grandfather flew helicopters in Asia during WW2... Later I had dinner with the guy. Unfortunately I was only 17 and too dumb to say (or ask) anything beyond "Really? Wow! I didn't know there were helicopters in WW2".

SkyChimp
06-07-2004, 10:08 PM
My understanding is that only one was deployed to Burma. He must have flown that one.

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heywooood
06-07-2004, 10:15 PM
imagine that...wow.

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DuxCorvan
06-08-2004, 06:11 AM
Be contented just imagining. PF FB-inherited physics and AI do not allow helos to be simulated at all.

So go on praising the ugly libellula, but you won't fly it in PF. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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RedDeth
06-08-2004, 12:39 PM
helicopters in PF? everyone in this thread is FIRED

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WereSnowleopard
06-08-2004, 04:30 PM
Well...Almost helicopter but it was autogyro used by Japanese. KA-1 autogyro with possible MAD device and depht charges were operated from the Army light escort carrier, Akitsu Maru, as anti-submarine patrol aircraft. They created it to partol Tsugaro and Korean channels protect oil tankers. Akitsu Maru was sunk by USN submarine USS QUEENFISH before it can begin ASW operation. What's bummer!

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Snowleopard

WereSnowleopard
06-08-2004, 04:50 PM
Hey, anyone from ASW can tell us how MAD (Magnetic Anomaly Detection) work? I mean what kind of output reading to operator to tell pilot to steering to pinpoint target zone to drop depht charges? I wonder what it's output reading look like in 1945 model. Post some screenshots of activing output device with targeting "submarine" for us will be great. Thank you


Cheers
Snowleopard

Troll2k
06-10-2004, 01:21 AM
I thought I saw in one of the older dev updates(fb/aep/pf.I can not remember) an autogyro.Of course things could have changed from then.I am still waiting for the fancy new runways they showed.

DuxCorvan
06-10-2004, 08:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Troll2k:
I thought I saw in one of the older dev updates(fb/aep/pf.I can not remember) an autogyro.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, but autogyros FM were very different from the helo ones. An autogyro is just an airplane with free-wheeling wings. Those blades aren't powered, and autogyros can't hover, fly sidewards or backwards, or move in the vertical.

They're more a kind of early STOL airplanes.

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darkhorizon11
06-10-2004, 11:13 AM
Yeah it would look nice hurlding towards the ground in a ball of fire. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Troll2k
06-10-2004, 01:47 PM
Dux thanks for the info.I would still like to see it as well as the super secret stealth runways.

BSS_Vidar
06-11-2004, 03:34 PM
Eh... Maybe we'll have helo's in a "Bridges at Toko Ri" flight sim one day. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Baco-ECV56
06-11-2004, 04:12 PM
A Korean War flight sim from the perspective of the US NAVY, THAT would be a sim that I would buy with my eyes closed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There is a Theater that was never ever done http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.