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Megas_Doux
07-22-2014, 12:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGA0WZLp_08&feature=youtu.be

EDIT!
Some stuff worth mentioning:

1 According to Alex Amancio, Paris is the size of ACIIIīs frontier.
2 Based from the video footage, there seems to be both weather and day/night. However the true extent of those was neither mentioned nor shown.
3 Family issues, again.......

SpiritOfNevaeh
07-22-2014, 12:13 AM
Yaaaaaaayy!!

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 12:18 AM
WOOOOOOOO *watches*

GoldenBoy9999
07-22-2014, 12:25 AM
I was going to put this on here but you guys beat me to it.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 12:32 AM
Some spoilers by the end of the video, but it's still nice to know.

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 12:34 AM
-Napoleon there
-saw a guy who could have been a historical figure but I'll get back to that
-I SEE TRICORN HAT TEMPLARS HNGHH YUS
-weather works similarly to previous AC games apparently
-paris is the size of the frontier? sounds pretty small for an entire AC game http://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20130918.419/images/smilies/frown.png
-i wonder if that woman is charolette corday
-30,000 crowd characters in paris christ
-AI supposedly improved (tho animations sure are looped fairly quickly)
-ARNO IS RAISED BY A TEMPLAR GRANDMASTER WHAT YES

YES YES YES YES YES YES MORALLY GRAY TEMPLARS YES FUUUUUUUUDGE YES

and implied possible Unity of assassins and templars HNNGHH YES

OMIGOSH SOMEONE HAS THE SAME DRAWING TABLET AS ME :V

I learned how easy it to put up houses in this engine or whatever they're using. Jaysus. No wonder they have annual releases. But so much stuff happening at once @-@ Glad there's lots of talk of animation tho. I really learn stuff http://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20130918.419/images/smilies/redface.png

I'M HYPED! MY BODY IS REGGIE!

edit: SHOOT meant to rate this thread 5 stars and accidentally rated it 1 http://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20130918.419/images/smilies/frown.png

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 12:37 AM
Which tablet was it lol? Intuos?? And yeah, that thing you put in red. IGN'd better hurry with the next video.

Jexx21
07-22-2014, 12:38 AM
The Frontier was 1.5x the size of Rome.

ACfan443
07-22-2014, 12:39 AM
Very nice. The crowd/AI interactions looked great, kinda sceptical about whether they'll make it to the final product, hope they aren't cut out/simplified at the last minute.

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 12:39 AM
@Kev

Intuos 4 or 5 or something, I dunno. I'd have to check.

@jexx

doesn't mean i was satisfied with the size of Rome :rolleyes:

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 12:40 AM
Facial animations for Arno were funny. He goes from handsome to potato like Connor did.

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 12:42 AM
http://i.imgur.com/ZEd0xhs.png

Arno so grump rite nao.

Jexx21
07-22-2014, 12:43 AM
The Frontier is more than large enough for Paris. Remember, you don't have horses and it's also supposed to be dense in content, which is good.

I hate it when maps are overly large anyway.

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 12:44 AM
There should have been horse riding. I want to trample hundreds with my trusty steed. Or catch a ride in a carriage :(

Matknapers18
07-22-2014, 12:45 AM
Woah. That was incredibly sudden. "Next time on , the Making of AC:Unity:...Yeah, so Arno is raised by a Templar grandmaster." That caught me way off guard. Peculiar way to drop such a big plot detail but it certainly caught my attention.

Facial animations look great aswell. Remind me of LA Noire.

Megas_Doux
07-22-2014, 12:46 AM
I hate it when maps are overly large anyway.

Me too! Rome, Boston and NY suffered of that Syndrome.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 12:47 AM
@Mayrice, there I'm handsome too now.

Locopells
07-22-2014, 12:51 AM
Spoiler tags, guys! Even if it has been dropped a bit weirdly...

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 12:52 AM
I mean is it really a spoiler if they tell you upfront?

ACfan443
07-22-2014, 12:52 AM
The Frontier is more than large enough for Paris. Remember, you don't have horses and it's also supposed to be dense in content, which is good.

I agree. The the size of the Frontier was sufficient to make it feel vast in scope, especially for a sparsely populated wilderness. The Paris map occupying such a large amount of space with all those densely packed buildings and monuments will be more than enough for satisfying exploration.


Woah. That was incredibly sudden. "Next time on , the Making of AC:Unity:...Yeah, so Arno is raised by a Templar grandmaster." That caught me way off guard. Peculiar way to drop such a big plot detail but it certainly caught my attention.

Yeah, I wish they had left that detail out. Though I think I understand why they chose to disclose it prior to release, perhaps they're trying to avoid a Haytham 'shock' revelation retread.

Locopells
07-22-2014, 12:56 AM
I mean is it really a spoiler if they tell you upfront?

It's an odd one, I'll grant you, but it's kinda like letting the ACIII one out early...

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 12:58 AM
Ah, alright I get what you mean.

But my hype on the hype train just went to full speed.

CHOO CHOO MOFOs

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 12:58 AM
Still that spoiler thing with Arno makes him more interesting already... I could see the clash of ideologies and such.

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 12:59 AM
@Kev


Also means he would relate to Connor in a way with father figure templars :rolleyes:

#daddyissues2.0

Jexx21
07-22-2014, 01:00 AM
To be fair I really liked Boston and New York though.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 01:00 AM
^Yay for the hashtag thing!

ACfan443
07-22-2014, 01:10 AM
Just a tidbit, the art director Mohamed Gambouz worked on AC1, AC2, ACB and now ACU. On his LinkedIn, it says he began working on Unity as soon as Brotherhood shipped, that's a freaking long time. (For AC standards).

rickprog
07-22-2014, 01:23 AM
Add to Paris' size the sewers, catacombs, Versailles and some other locations we don't know about and that should be large enough for a game. Density and seamless interiors are also a key factor to this.

I suppose they're holding up the story "making of" video until after we get a few more trailers, but just knowing there'll be more argument on how much the Assassin vs. Templar struggle could have prevented if the sides weren't as obnoxious and fanatic makes me interested. Great setting for this plot.

Also, I suppose that this Templar Grand Master who raised Arno is his stepfather who is killed and makes Arno go on a redemption quest? GIVE ME THIS GAME ALREADY.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 01:27 AM
Also, some of the dev Photoshop files are named "Arnaud". Guess there was change after all.

rickprog
07-22-2014, 01:29 AM
I assumed from the start his name is actually Arnaud, but they call him Arno just because.

ACfan443
07-22-2014, 01:35 AM
I assumed from the start his name is actually Arnaud, but they call him Arno just because.

It wasn't just an arbitrary decision, Arno is the Austrian variant of the name Arnauld and it fits because of his heritage.

SpiritOfNevaeh
07-22-2014, 01:44 AM
@Kev


Also means he would relate to Connor in a way with father figure templars :rolleyes:

#daddyissues2.0


No Mayrice! Don't get me started! My hype train will want to start too! Doh X_X;;

Legendz54
07-22-2014, 01:56 AM
http://oi57.tinypic.com/oa6mtu.jpg

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/69/c2/96/69c29692d60c74d87a30dee08ee01feb.jpg

SpiritOfNevaeh
07-22-2014, 02:07 AM
She looks pretty. Arno's love perhaps?

O
M
G

... Lonely Connor. WTF Ubi?! -_-;;

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 02:22 AM
Is it just me or that decoration looks like the Templar cross on the collar points?

ArabianFrost
07-22-2014, 02:31 AM
Aleissia lost her pink dye :( It was pretty cool.

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 02:31 AM
oh snap dah leddeh be a templuuurr

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 02:31 AM
the technical side of things, though *salivates*

SpiritOfNevaeh
07-22-2014, 02:35 AM
I think I see it too. Never noticed that before. O_O

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 02:37 AM
Well that woman probably isn't charolette corday then since charolette was literally an assassin even in history.

Maybe she's Arno's sister or gf or something

ArabianFrost
07-22-2014, 02:39 AM
probably his sister from his adoptee father. I imagine Templarism runs in the family.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 02:40 AM
The yellow dress girl (not sure if they're the same person) is named Elise. I think that was brought up before.

king-hailz
07-22-2014, 02:41 AM
Hmm. An assassin in a revolutionary setting whose father is a grandmaster templar. Ring any bells.

Just kidding. It could be a good story... but I am sure it won't be known as the best AC for its story. Am I the only one who really wants to see this game in the night time... or in the rain.
Anyways I can't wait till comic con to see the new game play demo... and the short film... and to see people fail on the obstacle course... I'm not going to comic con.. but I will see all this thanks to the Internet

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 02:43 AM
Elise ey?

I'm gonna go on a whim and say it's his sister. You don't just accidentally put in a templar symbol like that.

Unless Arno also has friends who are templars.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 02:47 AM
It's too bad IGN doesn't have Gamersyde quality videos, details are fun to speculate about :nonchalance:.

ACfan443
07-22-2014, 03:14 AM
It's too bad IGN doesn't have Gamersyde quality videos, details are fun to speculate about :nonchalance:.

IGN's compression destroys the quality, it baffles me that Ubi chooses to show off its tech with IGN, knowing how notoriously poor their video encoding is.

Dev_Anj
07-22-2014, 03:21 AM
The level editor looks really impressive. I hope Ubisoft releases that someday.

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 03:32 AM
I noticed in the video this
http://i.imgur.com/NFtJby6.png

reminded me a lot of this
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/videogamer/media/images/pub/large/unity_leak.jpg

So that leaked image prolly is in-game afterall.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 03:37 AM
I loved how dirty streets were in ACIII, good thing they're pushing it with Unity.

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 03:42 AM
I noticed in the video this
http://i.imgur.com/NFtJby6.png

reminded me a lot of this
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/videogamer/media/images/pub/large/unity_leak.jpg

So that leaked image prolly is in-game afterall.
it's just 2 identical shots of narrow wet streets, I don't see any other similarity

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 03:42 AM
http://i.imgur.com/NKCtZg6.png

This guy's character design looks to unique to be a regular enemy or NPC. Templar important character perhaps? I say templar because of his hat and noble look ofc. If so, I'm diggin it. Or maybe he is just an enemy soldier. Who knows.

http://i.imgur.com/eEtY2mb.jpg

Not sure what these mirror circles are TBH...

http://i.imgur.com/DRyVMHp.png

Good look at the underground slum life maybe? People in hiding? Possible hideout?

http://i.imgur.com/DMIRu0G.png

More good look of the underground. Very narrow corrodors.

@M

I meant graphically they're not too far apart so it could very well be in-game graphics.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 03:50 AM
The red feather hat guy could be an oppressor uberguard or something... AC always had well dressed enemies (well besides Black Flag maybe).

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 03:57 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8xKvqKX.png
Napoleon.
http://i.imgur.com/blH4iUA.png
Yes Elise has a templar sigil fo sho'
http://i.imgur.com/cPzuMWL.png
this guy needs to clean his desk
http://i.imgur.com/IhuHvn0.png
Confirmation of this girl being Elise also good look at the initial HUD
http://i.imgur.com/UNs62pW.jpg
This isn't Elise is it? Perhaps Charolette Corday? or some lady from woman's march? Or maybe it is Elise I can't tell.

Legendz54
07-22-2014, 04:00 AM
I found some raw and uncut pictures guys!!


https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.bigpoppasmokers.com/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/t/strube_top_sirloin_peeled.jpg

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 04:09 AM
Ah my bad. The first guy is an ordinary guard. Just look at this
http://i.imgur.com/ySRB4g5.png
Same design and from behind he even had a feathered hat.

Also a rifle/gun through floor glitch spotted
http://i.imgur.com/HdZRUjT.jpg

Also here is a snapshot of a W.I.P. cutscene. I know it's a cutscene cuz seconds after it showed a zoom in of the guy's hand like he's holding something. maybepocketwatchidunnoi'dhavetogobackandlook. But here's a for sure baddie we'll have to kill who isn't an ordinary enemy. And i know we'll have to kill him because come one when do we not kill evil looking men in uniform?
http://i.imgur.com/HVFPOMq.png

Edit:
http://i.imgur.com/XcnRoOw.png

No watch. Maybe he's wearing a templar ring? I can't quite tell.
And that's all I could dig up for now.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 04:17 AM
^Those are nice. I was wondering about the woman standing on top of the carriage myself when I first saw the video.

GreySkellig
07-22-2014, 04:37 AM
Soooo many exciting tidbits. And yet the thing I'm stuck on is that Arno looks super weird. It's not that he's rather ugly--I'm okay with that--nor that he doesn't look like any of the character art floating around. It's that something's off in his facial proportions. He looks like a very grizzled child. Get some rest, tall child.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 04:47 AM
@GreySkellig, I'd say his face is actually memorable, he doesn't make a generic "grizzled" face cut because of eye spacing and whole proportion thing when it comes to placement of features. Maybe I look too much into these details though. I loved how inFamous' faces had blemishes and imperfections and Ubi is approaching that with Unity, which is wonderful.

DumbGamerTag94
07-22-2014, 04:48 AM
It wasn't just an arbitrary decision, Arno is the Austrian variant of the name Arnauld and it fits because of his heritage.

I just assumed it was a nickname. "Arno" being short for Arnauld. Which is the frankofied version of Arnold(The German version which makes sense since Arno is of Austrian Heritage). Which oddly enough means "little eagle" or something like that. So it looks like we're back to Eagle names again like Altair, and Ezio.

AdamPearce
07-22-2014, 05:17 AM
I'm confused, when Unity was announced the Community Manager said that Paris was the size of Black Flag lands... now they say it's The Frontier. What's going on ? Misinformation or just really bad communication ? Or maybe Black Flag Land map is as big as the Frontier ?

Anyway, I knw I shouldn't have clicked on this, now I'm spoiled on probably half the plot....

Ureh
07-22-2014, 05:21 AM
That's one big city. If I remember correctly, it takes about 10 minutes, on foot, to cross the frontier from the homstead corner to the docking corner.

travilanche
07-22-2014, 05:34 AM
Soooo many exciting tidbits. And yet the thing I'm stuck on is that Arno looks super weird. It's not that he's rather ugly--I'm okay with that--nor that he doesn't look like any of the character art floating around. It's that something's off in his facial proportions. He looks like a very grizzled child. Get some rest, tall child.

Mad props for the John Mulaney quote!

Ureh
07-22-2014, 05:38 AM
I'm confused, when Unity was announced the Community Manager said that Paris was the size of Black Flag lands... now they say it's The Frontier. What's going on ? Misinformation or just really bad communication ? Or maybe Black Flag Land map is as big as the Frontier ?

Anyway, I knw I shouldn't have clicked on this, now I'm spoiled on probably half the plot....

I must be tired or deaf. When did they mention the plot stuff? I stopped watching the vid about half-way.

Aphex_Tim
07-22-2014, 07:21 AM
The struggle is real:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/okwhm1.jpg


Also, Arno has yellow eyes.. that's rather unusual?

Farlander1991
07-22-2014, 08:04 AM
http://i.imgur.com/eEtY2mb.jpg

Not sure what these mirror circles are TBH...

Lighting/reflection node, by the looks of it. Won't be seen in-game, just some developer stuff that's used in creating the lighting effects.

killzab
07-22-2014, 08:11 AM
I don"t know about that "'raised by a templar grandmaster " thing, seems like a retread of Connor and Haytham. Though maybe if he was actually raised by a templar then he will be more sympathetic to their views, and it won't be a love/hate relationship this time.

It would be cool if his sister and even some of his friends were templar and they don't end up with a blade in their throat.

They need to make it different enough from ACIII (though if Connor's in the game, it would be interesting because he"s "been there" )

Farlander1991
07-22-2014, 08:15 AM
I don"t know about that "'raised by a templar grandmaster " thing, seems like a retread of Connor and Haytham.

How is that a retread of Connor and Haytham? Connor wasn't raised by Haytham.

EDIT: And I don't think Arno even was born by a Templar like Connor was. Let's not forget that he was raised by an adoptive father, not his real one.

Jexx21
07-22-2014, 08:23 AM
i actually think it sounds more like Haytham/Edward/Birch. Edward was killed, Haytham is then practically raised by Birch.

Legendz54
07-22-2014, 08:30 AM
Im quite curious about Arno being raised by a Templar... After all he is an Assassin... If he had adoptive parents there is a high chance he had adopted brothers and sisters too.. maybe the red headed girl is his templar sister that he has grown close to and they constantly argue because of their different ideologies.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 08:32 AM
Add Aveline to the mix too.

AherasSTRG
07-22-2014, 08:33 AM
The beautiful redhead of the cinematic is definitely the model we have seen. Now, I do not want to spoil anything but, if you see the deck coming along with the Guillotine Edition, you will notice that Arno is the King and Elise the Queen.

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/10492611_517146428386271_7692333627492912194_n.jpg

I believe that this King - Queen matter signifies a relationship between the two. Also, in the Making of ACU Part 2 video, you can clearly see the voice actor for Arno motion capping shooting lessons with another actress. Correct me, if I am wrong, but that other woman looks exactly like the woman we can see early in the video.

My theory is that Elise is his adopted father's natural daughter.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 08:37 AM
^Stepsister would be more interesting than love interest imo. Sibling dynamics haven't really been present since Ezio/Claudia times as far as I remember.

killzab
07-22-2014, 08:43 AM
How is that a retread of Connor and Haytham? Connor wasn't raised by Haytham.

EDIT: And I don't think Arno even was born by a Templar like Connor was. Let's not forget that he was raised by an adoptive father, not his real one.

Because just like Connor, Arno's dad was a templar grandmaster ?

And they did this too in AC Liberation, with Madeleine.

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 08:44 AM
Because just like Connor, Arno's dad was a templar grandmaster ?
Arno's dad is not a Templar...

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 08:47 AM
Templar grandmaster kills Arno's father then sees a boy Arno with his precious yellow eyes, tears up, then raises him up as his own. But since Arno's eyes are so damn yellow he begins to question his parentage.

Farlander1991
07-22-2014, 08:49 AM
Because just like Connor, Arno's dad was a templar grandmaster ?

So what? They say Arno was raised by a Grandmaster Templar. Connor wasn't raised by a Templar Grandmaster. He was raised by his mother, then alone, then by Achilles, none of which were Templars. Connor didn't have any interaction with his dad until he was a grown man.

The Liberation comparison is a more fitting one.

killzab
07-22-2014, 09:47 AM
Arno's dad is not a Templar...

Arno's step-dad ... stop playing on words


So what? They say Arno was raised by a Grandmaster Templar. Connor wasn't raised by a Templar Grandmaster. He was raised by his mother, then alone, then by Achilles, none of which were Templars. Connor didn't have any interaction with his dad until he was a grown man.

The Liberation comparison is a more fitting one.

Well it's all starting to get repetitive IMO.

LoyalACFan
07-22-2014, 10:11 AM
Arno being raised by a Templar is nothing like Connor and Haytham's relationship... they didn't even know each other until Connor was an adult, by which time he was so set on Assassin ideology he didn't even toy with the idea of becoming a Templar. Haytham had zero sway over Connor's upbringing.


^Stepsister would be more interesting than love interest imo. Sibling dynamics haven't really been present since Ezio/Claudia times as far as I remember.

Eh, love interest could be good too if it's developed enough. There are very, very few great romances in gaming. It could even be that Arno is in love with that Templar girl while still under the tutelage of the Templar Grandmaster who raised him, but then his increasing interest in the Assassins strains their relationship. It could be an amazing way to humanize the Templars more than ever before, but it could also easily fall into Romeo and Juliet cliche cheesiness if it's handled badly.

Anyway, as cool as this installment was, it's only made me want the next episode more :nonchalance:

wvstolzing
07-22-2014, 11:24 AM
Correct me, if I am wrong, but that other woman looks exactly like the woman we can see early in the video.

To me she doesn't; though the difference in facial expression & head posture makes it a bit difficult to tell. The woman in the picture you quoted seems to have fuller lips and a slightly protruding jaw; her eyebrows are differently shaped as well.


Eh, love interest could be good too if it's developed enough. There are very, very few great romances in gaming. ... but it could also easily fall into Romeo and Juliet cliche cheesiness if it's handled badly.

It's best that they stay away from such themes; they're bound to degenerate into cheesiness. I don't think Ubi can sink as low as Bioware in this regard, but still...

m4r-k7
07-22-2014, 11:35 AM
When the name Unity came up, I was sure it was something to do with Templars and Assassins teaming up. It surely can't just mean the unified experience thing. My guess is that the templars and assassins will try to unite together, but it just doesn't work out. This could then be reflected in the Saun (I think) conversation in AC 3 who said that Assassins and Templars have tried to work together but it hasn't worked.

AherasSTRG
07-22-2014, 11:37 AM
Templar grandmaster kills Arno's father then sees a boy Arno with his precious yellow eyes, tears up, then raises him up as his own

Starkiller and Darth Vader? Anyone? Noone? Well... Was worth a try...

wvstolzing
07-22-2014, 11:37 AM
My guess is that the templars and assassins will try to unite together, but it just doesn't work out.

Didn't Amancio pretty much say as much? From 15:03 onward in the video.

wvstolzing
07-22-2014, 11:38 AM
*doublepost, apologies. Blame firefox.*

king-hailz
07-22-2014, 11:40 AM
Because just like Connor, Arno's dad was a templar grandmaster ?

And they did this too in AC Liberation, with Madeleine.

Yes. But you guys are forgetting that those games focused their stories on this... ac liberation and ac3 both went to the end of the games with their parents... In this arno's step dad also dies early in the game... so if their is a story it would be between Arno and his 'sister' which is awesome... she could be the antagonist... I haven't seen that much in games. .. heck I haven't seen that in many movies... that is really interesting..

Hans684
07-22-2014, 11:48 AM
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Arno_Dorian

Biography:

Born to an Austrian mother and French father, Arno was raised in Versailles until his father was murdered in 1776, when Arno was eight years old; some time later, his adoptive father also died in a similar manner. Wracked by guilt and blaming himself, Arno sought out the Assassins to find redemption, helping those suffering similar injustice.

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His Australian mother could be the Templar Grandmaster and his fathers could have been assassinated by the Assassin Order. Elise is most likely his gf, love and duty is one of the layers of Unity and the picture of her on the card could be her in an Assassin uniform.

AherasSTRG
07-22-2014, 11:49 AM
Didn't Amancio pretty much say as much? From 15:03 onward in the video.

He says that they have the chance to stop terrible things together, but their arrogance gets in the way and they don't... Maybe Templar Elise and Assassin Arno will team up... And maybe the get married and live under the same roof... And then they make a movie out of it, starring Angelina Jolie and Brad Pit and name it... oh, they should name it Mr and Mrs Smith.

SHADOWGARVIN
07-22-2014, 11:53 AM
What a coincidence! We were just talking about the second making off video yesterday. I hope we don't have to wait six weeks again for the third one.

GoldenBoy9999
07-22-2014, 11:58 AM
What a coincidence! We were just talking about the second making off video yesterday. I hope we don't have to wait six weeks again for the third one.


Yeah really. These videos are cool and different than the usual gameplay trailers I watch because it shows them actually making the game. I'm looking forward to the next one.

SHADOWGARVIN
07-22-2014, 12:03 PM
Yeah really. These videos are cool and different than the usual gameplay trailers I watch because it shows them actually making the game. I'm looking forward to the next one.

I agree. I can't wait for the next one!

jeordievera
07-22-2014, 12:22 PM
Damn! Why did I watch the end of the video?! Now I am really excited!
Could be really good to see Assassins and Templars at least trying to unite.
Also I am not sure if Elise and the templar girl are the same person. They have the same hair colour but Elise has a fuller face and lips - maybe it's her but at younger age.

frodrigues55
07-22-2014, 12:38 PM
Ugh, I am sure this type of detail would blow me away had I not seen this video! I hate spoilers, even if it's something that developers feel like it's nothing major.

I must tell you, I was a much happier AC player before I started following its news! Everything in the game used to blew me away when I knew nothing about it. Ezio's family's death shocked the hell out of me, until I found out that was something that was advertised since the first trailer.

pacmanate
07-22-2014, 12:48 PM
Nice spoiler at the end. Watched this yesterday when it first came out. Why would you reveal an important plot point like that?

m4r-k7
07-22-2014, 12:50 PM
Nice spoiler at the end. Watched this yesterday when it first came out. Why would you reveal an important plot point like that?

It probably happens within the first like 20 minutes of the game so I doubt its that important. So he gets brought up by a templar master - who cares xD most of the game will be him as an assassin. Thats just the start of the story, kind of like how Ezio's family was shown being killed in an AC 2 trailer.

Legendz54
07-22-2014, 12:52 PM
Nice spoiler at the end. Watched this yesterday when it first came out. Why would you reveal an important plot point like that?

Thats what I was thinking... although they always spill these litte details about the story especially now with the game 3 months away., Probably said it to get people interested in the next part.. But i swear it was his father gets killed.. then it was his adoptive father gets killed.. then it was his father and adoptive father get killed... now he gets raised by a templar... I am very confused..

Farlander1991
07-22-2014, 12:53 PM
Nice spoiler at the end. Watched this yesterday when it first came out. Why would you reveal an important plot point like that?

Most likely because it's along the lines of 'Ezio is the son of an Assassin and his parents get killed' in terms of importance/how twisty it is. Also because AC3 had a 'Templar plot twist' as well. Also because this point doesn't really tell much about the plot, yet makes people want to discuss it and speculate.

pacmanate
07-22-2014, 01:01 PM
It probably happens within the first like 20 minutes of the game so I doubt its that important. So he gets brought up by a templar master - who cares xD most of the game will be him as an assassin. Thats just the start of the story, kind of like how Ezio's family was shown being killed in an AC 2 trailer.

So if something happens in the first 20 minutes of the game its not important?... okay.


Thats what I was thinking... although they always spill these litte details about the story especially now with the game 3 months away., Probably said it to get people interested in the next part.. But i swear it was his father gets killed.. then it was his adoptive father gets killed.. then it was his father and adoptive father get killed... now he gets raised by a templar... I am very confused..

I bet Arno is secretly a pigeon.

I'm not watching the rest of these, I've decided.


Most likely because it's along the lines of 'Ezio is the son of an Assassin and his parents get killed' in terms of importance/how twisty it is. Also because AC3 had a 'Templar plot twist' as well. Also because this point doesn't really tell much about the plot, yet makes people want to discuss it and speculate.

But now we know his Templar father dies, and most likely he gets adopted by the Assassin's now. At least thats what I've got in my head.

wvstolzing
07-22-2014, 01:09 PM
In one of the E3 interviews, I remember Amancio saying *something like* there being 'details about Arno's heritage' that they weren't 'ready to discuss just yet'.

... So, were they waiting for this IGN exclusive?!?!

While this might not be a 'spoiler' strictly speaking, I do agree that it's a strange thing to divulge at this point.

And presumably the next installment on IGN will have even more details.

Farlander1991
07-22-2014, 01:10 PM
But now we know his Templar father dies, and most likely he gets adopted by the Assassin's now. At least thats what I've got in my head.

We don't know that, actually.

And from my understanding the adoptive father is the Templar one. Doesn't Arno's real father die when he was still very young?

And the Assassins might not be a part of any equation when it comes to his dads/heritage.

m4r-k7
07-22-2014, 01:23 PM
So if something happens in the first 20 minutes of the game its not important?... okay.

Im not saying its not important. I am saying its the origin of the story and is thus probably not considered that important by the dev's and so they are therefore willing to talk about it. Don't act like its the end of the world that we know this information. Its not like we have been told what happens at the end of the game. As I said before, its like in AC 2 when Ezio was described as taking revenge (before the game came out)

prince162010
07-22-2014, 01:25 PM
I noticed in the video this
http://i.imgur.com/NFtJby6.png

reminded me a lot of this
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/videogamer/media/images/pub/large/unity_leak.jpg

So that leaked image prolly is in-game afterall.

Looks like an artwork

ACfan443
07-22-2014, 01:28 PM
It probably happens within the first like 20 minutes of the game so I doubt its that important. So he gets brought up by a templar master - who cares xD most of the game will be him as an assassin. Thats just the start of the story, kind of like how Ezio's family was shown being killed in an AC 2 trailer.

I didn't know about the execution of Ezio's family before the release of the game. So that scene was, for me, way, way more effective at tugging at the heart strings and leaving a lasting impact than it would have been if I was prepared for the tragedy. Conversely, I didn't feel much for Connor when his village burned down and his mother perished in flames because of how much his back-story was shoved down our throats during the game's promotional phase, they even went as far as revealing parts of the scene in a trailer.

I wish developers would hold back a little more on details like that.

Hans684
07-22-2014, 01:30 PM
We don't know that, actually.

And from my understanding the adoptive father is the Templar one. Doesn't Arno's real father die when he was still very young?

And the Assassins might not be a part of any equation when it comes to his dads/heritage.

Born to an Austrian mother and French father, Arno was raised in Versailles until his father was murdered in 1776, when Arno was eight years old; some time later, his adoptive father also died in a similar manner.

And it's true that we don't know who the Templar Grandmaster is but we know he was raised by him/her.

Yes both his fathers where killed and in a similar manner.

Consider he is part of a Templar family it's more likely that the Assassins killed both his fathers, the Assassins is do hunt Templars.

SHADOWGARVIN
07-22-2014, 01:35 PM
Consider he is part of a Templar family it's more likely that the Assassins killed both his fathers, the Assassins is do hunt Templars.

Why would he become an assassin if they killed his father and adoptive father? It doesn't make any sense. They were most likely killed by templars. The same happened with Edward Kenway. He was killed by templars. Haytham was raised by templars. They manipulated him and made him believe that Edward was killed by assassin.

Aphex_Tim
07-22-2014, 01:47 PM
Probably because he doesn't know that it was the Assassins that killed them.

Hans684
07-22-2014, 02:56 PM
Why would he become an assassin if they killed his father and adoptive father? It doesn't make any sense. They were most likely killed by templars. The same happened with Edward Kenway. He was killed by templars. Haytham was raised by templars. They manipulated him and made him believe that Edward was killed by assassin.

Because he don't know the Assassins did it. As for your example, unlike Arno's family is Templars(we know that he was raised by the Templar GM) and the Kenway's is Assassins. Why would the French Templars attack the family of their own Grand Master? That doesn't make any sense.

SHADOWGARVIN
07-22-2014, 03:19 PM
Because he don't know the Assassins did it. As for your example, unlike Arno's family is Templars(we know that he was raised by the Templar GM) and the Kenway's is Assassins. Why would the French Templars attack the family of their own Grand Master? That doesn't make any sense.

You just proved my point! He was raised by a templar grand master, BUT only After both his fathers were killed. So it does make sense that his fathers were killed by templars and he was manipulated by templars afterwards.

Hans684
07-22-2014, 03:32 PM
You just proved my point! He was raised by a templar grand master, BUT only After both his fathers were killed. So it does make sense that his fathers were killed by templars and he was manipulated by templars afterwards.

What if his Australian mother is the GM?

SHADOWGARVIN
07-22-2014, 03:50 PM
What if his Australian mother is the GM?

It's possible that his Austrian mother is a templar.

ze_topazio
07-22-2014, 04:06 PM
^Stepsister would be more interesting than love interest imo. Sibling dynamics haven't really been present since Ezio/Claudia times as far as I remember.

What if she's a stepsister and a love interest at the same time?

pacmanate
07-22-2014, 04:08 PM
What if she's a stepsister and a love interest at the same time?

Although not blood related, still weird. Cause your mother would be sexing your stepdad. And you would be sexing your mothers, partners daughter. And you would also be sexing your step sister.

ze_topazio
07-22-2014, 04:16 PM
Although not blood related, still weird. Cause your mother would be sexing your stepdad. And you would be sexing your mothers, partners daughter. And you would also be sexing your step sister.

Would create some drama at least.


Happens all the time in manga/anime, I'm so used to it i wouldn't even bat an eye, although in anime/manga is always played for the lulz, maybe done in a serious manner could prove interesting.

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 04:18 PM
I didn't know about the execution of Ezio's family before the release of the game. So that scene was, for me, way, way more effective at tugging at the heart strings and leaving a lasting impact than it would have been if I was prepared for the tragedy. Conversely, I didn't feel much for Connor when his village burned down and his mother perished in flames because of how much his back-story was shoved down our throats during the game's promotional phase, they even went as far as revealing parts of the scene in a trailer.

I wish developers would hold back a little more on details like that.
They did the same thing with AC II's promotion, you're just lucky you didn't see it...they kept shoving Ezio's tragedy in every interview and trailer and showed the whole scene of the execution even in trailers.

I-Like-Pie45
07-22-2014, 04:40 PM
i was cheering when ezio's family died

cuz petrucchio

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 04:42 PM
i was cheering when ezio's family died

cuz petrucchio
I would love to tell you that "I tried to be sad, i tried" but...really, no...I wasnt even trying, i was examining the the shadow and lighting glitch with Uberto's face

RinoTheBouncer
07-22-2014, 04:44 PM
Iím excited for this game but I still donít see anything revealed about the story. First trailers were all about the co-op and now itís about the animations and graphics. What about the story, guys? what happened to the best story-telling franchise of all time? any hints about First Civ.? modern day? the historical story itself? it seems like family issues are coming back again in a different atmosphere.

ze_topazio
07-22-2014, 04:50 PM
Neither the neck stretching of the Auditores or Ziio being roasted moved me in any way.

ACfan443
07-22-2014, 05:18 PM
They did the same thing with AC II's promotion, you're just lucky you didn't see it...they kept shoving Ezio's tragedy in every interview and trailer and showed the whole scene of the execution even in trailers.

Oh I'm fully aware that AC2 was guilty of doing the same, I just didn't follow the coverage of the game as extensively as I did AC3's at the time. I watched the E3 demo and viewed a couple of screenshots and that was it. In retrospect I wish I did the same with AC3, obsessively reading up every little detail I could find was a stupid thing to do.

Sushiglutton
07-22-2014, 05:34 PM
Super impressive stuff, one realizes the crazy amount of work required to pull something like this off. The star for me thus far is Paris itself. Very, very excited for the exploration side of the game!

Reptilis91
07-22-2014, 05:53 PM
Super impressive stuff, one realizes the crazy amount of work required to pull something like this off. The star for me thus far is Paris itself. Very, very excited for the exploration side of the game!

The star is a lady... Notre Dame!

Jexx21
07-22-2014, 06:01 PM
I’m excited for this game but I still don’t see anything revealed about the story. First trailers were all about the co-op and now it’s about the animations and graphics. What about the story, guys? what happened to the best story-telling franchise of all time? any hints about First Civ.? modern day? the historical story itself? it seems like family issues are coming back again in a different atmosphere.
They aren't going to reveal the whole story in the trailers. Wait for the game itself.

Oh, and for the personal tragedies: even though I knew it was coming, Connor's mother dying still struck me. It was very somber, I really felt for the poor 4 year old kid.

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 07:29 PM
Dad killed, adoptive father is a templar who later is killed. And has a half-sister. Or step-sister in this case.

Looks like personality might not be the only thing similar to Haytham.

GunnerGalactico
07-22-2014, 07:48 PM
3 Family issues, again.......

I'm starting to get tired of that too. The whole "family tragedy" thing is starting to get boring IMO, but atleast it is done differently in Unity. Having a biological father and adoptive father killed is not something you hear about all the time. Instead of seeking revenge by killing those who were responsible for murder of both his fathers, he seeks redemption by exposing the instigators who are responsible for the Revolution. He has a strong sense of justice and that is what motivates him.

RaulO4
07-22-2014, 07:56 PM
so i be the one that says it,

so you showing us how it could look like,

so how will it look like at launch?

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 07:58 PM
^Only one way to find out.

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 08:00 PM
so i be the one that says it,

so you showing us how it could look like,

so how will it look like at launch?
aren't you quite the hipster? here

http://images.ubercomments.com/1/379778533811b06ecf0.jpg

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 08:10 PM
Although not blood related, still weird. Cause your mother would be sexing your stepdad. And you would be sexing your mothers, partners daughter. And you would also be sexing your step sister.

That'll make Arno Cesare 2.0.

RaulO4
07-22-2014, 08:22 PM
aren't you quite the hipster? here

http://images.ubercomments.com/1/379778533811b06ecf0.jpg

very fast to call me a hipster,

even tho i didnt say AC is bad because its too loved....

my view came from because ubi have done this with ACBF (look at the demo than play the game in the same mission)
Farcry3 done this aswell, watchdogs, and more.


they show one graphic on pc with max graphic than on release not even the pc can reach those setting.

this is purely a graphical comment and i have nothing to say about the gameplay yet....
need more info but i do like they putting some conviction stealth in AC.

more AC with stealth the better

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 08:32 PM
my view came from because ubi have done this with ACBF (look at the demo than play the game in the same mission)
Farcry3 done this aswell, watchdogs, and more.
Out of ALL those, Watch Dogs was the only game that had some sort of downgrade and it wasn't even substantial....what more? there's no more...just Watch Dogs.

RaulO4
07-22-2014, 08:35 PM
Out of ALL those, Watch Dogs was the only game that had some sort of downgrade and it wasn't even substantial....what more? there's no more...just Watch Dogs.

go look back at the gameplay vids, than play the game sir.

i help you out with FC3, look at the water, trees, lighting, and floor.

look at details,

this is not a myth, its just facts

in truth it made since for FC3, those details that are now gone does increase the poly count that the 360/ps3 couldnt have....so they drop them.

those detail didnt need to be remove from the pc version tho

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 08:37 PM
go look back at the gameplay vids, than play the game sir.

i help you out with FC3, look at the water, trees, lighting, and floor.
I did, watched comparison videos..etc, nothing looks different...I might even say that Far Cry's retail version looks even better than E3 demo

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 08:40 PM
@Raul, it happens to almost every game nevertheless. For some reason the Internet likes to pick up on Ubi anyway (Kotaku clicks ahem), and I'm not being a fanboy here. Look, even the Last of Us, which is a holy grail of gaming for many, had a few tweaks here and there.

TGPomy9795
07-22-2014, 08:40 PM
go look back at the gameplay vids, than play the game sir.

i help you out with FC3, look at the water, trees, lighting, and floor.

now with FC and the other game it was not much of a graphical downgrade but a Detail downgrade,

FC3 on PC looked absolutely stunning, even now. I don't know what you are talking about. Watch Dogs looks good too, and the downgrade was not nearly as bad as everyone said. Was Watch Dogs downgraded? Sure, no doubt about it, but it wasn't a complete disaster like everyone makes it out to be. The only major downgrades were depth of field and soft rain particles.

I also don't recall a Black Flag downgrade.

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 08:41 PM
@Raul, it happens to almost every game nevertheless. For some reason the Internet likes to pick up on Ubi anyway (Kotaku clicks ahem), and I'm not being a fanboy here. Look, even the Last of Us, which is a holy grail of gaming for many, had a few tweaks here and there.
heck, even GTA V
http://i.imgur.com/LDATRm0.jpg
but nooooo, it's rockstar, nobody dares complain about R*

@Raul
http://i.gyazo.com/ad2a7693c83f5ab143ade0ec87bf500d.png
which is the better version?

TGPomy9795
07-22-2014, 08:46 PM
Top GTA V photo looks like the next-gen version. :)

RaulO4
07-22-2014, 08:47 PM
that image shows the deference with details right there,
less trees, less plants, and they dont even have the vines.

TG

dont get me wrong Facry was stunning, and great to play.


the reason my ubi is the one getting attack is because they are the only one to say that no they have not touch the graphics at all.....
than to remove those feature to say because the game cant run,

in which it does because well.... i have it on.

oh in ACBF the brushes are much smaller/ less...again removed of details.

TGPomy9795
07-22-2014, 08:50 PM
I mean I never really expect a game to look exactly as it does after E3 or any showcase, because they never do. Even if it isn't a downgrade, the scene or the character always looks different. The only games I can see looking exactly as they did at E3 are LittleBigPlanet 3 and the Master Chief Collection. Those are two games where not much can change.

Megas_Doux
07-22-2014, 08:52 PM
Meh!!!!!!!

I saw AC IV on a high end PC and it looked the same, thing is that mission was played on another layout. But the overall quality 99% equal.

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 08:54 PM
oh in ACBF the brushes are much smaller/ less...again removed of details.

Do you mean bushes? They look and move nice in my game :nonchalance:

RaulO4
07-22-2014, 09:00 PM
Do you mean bushes? They look and move nice in my game :nonchalance:


lol yea bushes,

in BF it was not a graphical downgrade just a removal of tree/bushes....poly.

M,

i laugh when i saw that because i new it wont be like that.

Dev always used pc hardware to show screen shots,
the new gtaV for pc/ps4/x1 looks better than that screen shot above.

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 09:19 PM
that image shows the deference with details right there,
less trees, less plants, and they dont even have the vines.
That's not a downgrade, it's rearrangement of resources since the E3 demo is just that--a demo--it doesn't have everything the final game does so they reroute the vegetation and have it more spread out



the reason my ubi is the one getting attack is because they are the only one to say that no they have not touch the graphics at all.....
than to remove those feature to say because the game cant run
EVERYONE does that, no one will say "oh, i downgraded my game" and it's because no one accuses Naughty Dog and R*, if they're asked, they'll say the same thing ubisoft says.



oh in ACBF the brushes are much smaller/ less...again removed of details.
Nope, not in my game...

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 09:21 PM
lol yea bushes,

in BF it was not a graphical downgrade just a removal of tree/bushes....poly.
not removal, rerouting...so don't call it downgrade, good boy.


M,

i laugh when i saw that because i new it wont be like that.

Dev always used pc hardware to show screen shots,
the new gtaV for pc/ps4/x1 looks better than that screen shot above.
That was advertised as the ps3/360 game...see...this is what i'm talking about, when it's Ubisoft "GRAB THE PITCHES AND FORKS" but then it's R*, it's excuses...excuses everywhere--when you're fair and actually argue without using double standards then maybe i'll take you seriously.

lothario-da-be
07-22-2014, 09:27 PM
I don't realy like these making off videos, too much talking. I only trust Ubi when they show me stuff. And even then..., this game reminds me too much of ac3. Everything looks too good to be true, just like ac3. I rather have a pre-release period like ac4. Low expactations and no hype.

Jexx21
07-22-2014, 09:29 PM
lol, AC4's marketing was all like "yo we so much better than ac3. we fixed everything that was wrong"

AC4's lead up was over saturated and hype to the roof

Xstantin
07-22-2014, 09:32 PM
For now Comet (if it's even real) has the best marketing stance: "don't tell them anything, let them go crazy".

Megas_Doux
07-22-2014, 09:32 PM
lol, AC4's marketing was all like "yo we so much better than ac3. we fixed everything that was wrong"

AC4's lead up was over saturated and hype to the roof

The fixed the mission deisgn, I like to view AC IV as a "best of" of the Old AC formula.

And nothing bigger than AC IIIīs marketing, it was sold as the second coming of Jesus.

lothario-da-be
07-22-2014, 09:35 PM
lol, AC4's marketing was all like "yo we so much better than ac3. we fixed everything that was wrong"

AC4's lead up was over saturated and hype to the roof
Wich is what it was in the end for me.
Maybe the marketing strategy for ac4 worked with the casuals, but the fans here where critical as f*ck after ac3.

Jexx21
07-22-2014, 09:35 PM
i am the second jesus

JustPlainQuirky
07-22-2014, 09:35 PM
For now Comet (if it's even real) has the best marketing stance: "don't tell them anything, let them go crazy".

For the hardcore fans at least. It is driving me crazy @-@

lothario-da-be
07-22-2014, 09:39 PM
For the hardcore fans at least. It is driving me crazy @-@
lol, not for me anymore. I got so bored of waiting and false rumors since february that I don't care anymore at this point, untill the announcement comes...

Jexx21
07-22-2014, 09:39 PM
Wich is what it was in the end for me.
Maybe the marketing strategy for ac4 worked with the casuals, but the fans here where critical as f*ck after ac3.
not me

lothario-da-be
07-22-2014, 09:42 PM
not me
Well good for you that you were able to enjoy the ac4 pre-release period then :p

Jexx21
07-22-2014, 09:44 PM
yes I am quite an amazing fella, being Jesus Christ and all

SpiritOfNevaeh
07-22-2014, 09:48 PM
For now Comet (if it's even real) has the best marketing stance: "don't tell them anything, let them go crazy".

I know right? Tell me about it!

lothario-da-be
07-22-2014, 09:51 PM
yes I am quite an amazing fella, being Jesus Christ and all
cool man, I once read about you in some boring book. Don't remember what it's name was bilbo or something.

RaulO4
07-22-2014, 10:24 PM
not removal, rerouting...so don't call it downgrade, good boy.


That was advertised as the ps3/360 game...see...this is what i'm talking about, when it's Ubisoft "GRAB THE PITCHES AND FORKS" but then it's R*, it's excuses...excuses everywhere--when you're fair and actually argue without using double standards then maybe i'll take you seriously.

where my double stander?

i said that i laugh at that,
same way that i laugh at ubi for doing the same ****,

and simple said the next gen version looks better than that screen shot and even the trailer i suspect something between it.

also its removing.... the same spot can be seen on both the e3 and release but with less details, again the 360/ps3 cant hold that many poly on screen so removal of trees and bushes was needed...
good boy was not needed as well good sir.


back to gta
i cant say how much they downgraded because i kind of sold by console when i got a pc.... so there no way for me to compare 1 to 1,
if im going to be fair i like to have an hands on not a vids view...

but i have no question there was some downgraded for gta on 360..... its a good thing that at least the next gen version is not just a up res and added back those detail to a even greater level or so it seems. ( again i hold back until its out because in todays world is bs.)

Assassin_M
07-22-2014, 10:49 PM
where my double stander?
I just told you about it.


i said that i laugh at that,
same way that i laugh at ubi for doing the same ****
you're not laughing at R*, you're making excuses for them.


also its removing.... the same spot can be seen on both the e3 and release but with less details, again the 360/ps3 cant hold that many poly on screen so removal of trees and bushes was needed...
it's NOT a downgrade, i already explained, it's called rerouting resources and spreading them out for the bigger world on the final version. It's not a downgrade, there's a difference.


good boy was not needed as well good sir.
Okay, okay, you're not a boy sorry



back to gta
i cant say how much they downgraded because i kind of sold by console when i got a pc.... so there no way for me to compare 1 to 1,
if im going to be fair i like to have an hands on not a vids view...
I just showed you the comparison...

RaulO4
07-22-2014, 11:48 PM
I just told you about it.


you're not laughing at R*, you're making excuses for them.


it's NOT a downgrade, i already explained, it's called rerouting resources and spreading them out for the bigger world on the final version. It's not a downgrade, there's a difference.


Okay, okay, you're not a boy sorry



I just showed you the comparison...

.....

i laugh at R

i laugh at ubi

said FC3 and AC had to do because the 360 couldnt handel that many poly

said that gta couldnt do it because they must have used the pc.... that there was too many poly

same ****,

downgrade, if the hardware could have handel that many poly on screen at once the rest of the world could have been with the same amount of details.

less is downgrade. less props on screen <<<

..........
yes you just
but i never had before these screen shot because i never care since i didnt owned a console at the time of gta.
i had an idea that it wouldnt match.

again even with the new GTA for next Gen i believe it when i see it.

you trying to say that im bias but my post clearly says other wise... in the end ubi does downgrade, by not accepting it does not mean it will disappear.

one more thing, ubi again is the only one to come out and say "we did not downgrade anything" like we all blind.

some more downgraded games?

Dark Souls 2, great game but they could have kept the lighting for the pc.
at least they said yes we did because we thought the 360 could handle it but turns out it couldn't. the truth, <<< its a good thing


yes im dislike the turn down graphics but like how i enjoy FC3/AC/Dark Souls
gameplay comes first because graphic get out dated by next year..... its the untruthful part that i dislike... the switch and bait they do

another mgs GZ, not even the ps4 version look like the demo which kojima said was running on pc hardware.

Jexx21
07-23-2014, 12:48 AM
what are you even saying

poly sounds like a drug

Xstantin
07-23-2014, 12:55 AM
@Jexx, my guess is you were sarcastic and figured out he was talking about polygon count. Although chasing fps, polygons, dof, and all this often takes all the joy out of gaming.

Jexx21
07-23-2014, 12:58 AM
I was kidding about Poly, but I wasn't kidding when I said "what are you even saying" because I don't think he's getting his thoughts across coherently.

RaulO4
07-23-2014, 02:08 AM
Jexx,

its just a little odd when he says that ubi games are not downgraded when he himself then post screen shots that shows it.
than says i have double standard because i dont give R the same heat even tho my text shows that i dislike R for showing unrealistic presentation of there game by running it on the pc in which it would be impossible to run on 360.

my focus is not graphic, dont get me wrong

i have played FC3,AC4, Watch Dog , and Dark Souls 2 plus enjoy them (not watch dog, that was a good game but it was the Ac1 all over again)

its like me saying you dislike X game and use a post that says you like X game.... throws me off


annnnd yes poly is a drug.... if you get into too much you may become a pc master race elitist,

which may or may not be a good depending on your view on it

ShoryukenMan
07-23-2014, 02:17 AM
When it comes to games being downgraded in the graphics department, it does bother me... a bit. It's not the end of the world or anything. But, because it does bother me, I just don't follow the news on it so much. I want to enjoy the game for what it is, and not how it looks, so I just check out the CGI trailer to get hyped, one gameplay trailer to see what I'm getting myself into, and that's it. I wait for the game to come out, forget about how good the graphics looked in the demo, and just enjoy the game to the best of my abilities.

Assassin_M
07-23-2014, 02:21 AM
its just a little odd when he says that ubi games are not downgraded when he himself then post screen shots that shows it.
I didnt say that, I said that Watch Dogs was indeed downgraded but what you describe as "downgrade" for everything else is NOT a downgrade, it just not, it's not my fault that it's too hard for you to understand, it's just not a downgrade, simple.

RaulO4
07-23-2014, 02:32 AM
^^^
it is, the image shows it,

the screen looks different and have less details, this is not a search for big foot, we have video and image proof.
I'm not here to convinced you nor there nothing to be convinced about so I'm moving on
...............
I dont want to see ubi talk about the graphic which may not even be what we get and hopefully the next Video talk about Gameplay.

I want to know more about how the stealth was improve and if there less restriction on how we can do mission.

also if the fighting became harder to do and not be a "Come At me BRO" when i stand in front of a army

We can now crouch, improvement
it took us years to master this

rickprog
07-23-2014, 03:39 AM
What M is discussing is that the technical term for what was done is actually not "downgrade".

I think the new "Making of" video will be about story based on the small preview we got. Still makes me curious how much they'll reveal.

They have stated that restrictions will be minimal, as the missions will adapt to different circumstances or to your decissions. The given example was if you start the mission having to "tail" someone, but he notices you, the mission will turn into a "chase"; if you lose him, it will turn into a "find"; if he gets killed by NPCs or yourself, he might have some lootable item leading you to your next objective but then, since the initial target went missing (because he's dead), there'll be more guards on the area the item lead you too. Also, you won't necesarilly have a linear road leading you to places, as you can explore areas before that facilitate how the mission will develop (like knowing an alternate route to enter a place so you don't need to fight or evade through stealth).

I don't know if you have, but you should check this out for more on stealth and combat (parkour too): http://assassinscreed.ubi.com/en-GB/games/assassins-creed-unity/new-gameplay/index.aspx

Assassin_M
07-23-2014, 03:47 AM
^^^
it is, the image shows it,

the screen looks different and have less details, this is not a search for big foot, we have video and image proof.
I'm not here to convinced you nor there nothing to be convinced about so I'm moving on

Do you read what i say at all?


What M is discussing is that the technical term for what was done is actually not "downgrade".

There, thank you..

Xstantin
07-23-2014, 03:50 AM
^I feel like the word "downgrade" gets thrown around too much these days, even when it comes to simple rearrangement of props or whatever, some will grab their pitchforks.

RaulO4
07-23-2014, 04:23 AM
its still a downgrade,
one looks this way than the other looks different and less,

with that in mind gta V is not a downgrade as well if we use the same mind set here.....

they did not remove the props because it looks better now but remove to have the level be playable.

this happen many time with level, at the start you get carry away than real life hits and you have 500 mb of ram of limit.
time to cut and change things around to make it work. if they had the ram and power they would have left it because it would have ran just fine.

get it?
when you remove, scale back, change something to make it run

because

your level couldnt run and these changes must happen so it could run and not freeze on you....

this is a downgrade.

downgrade does not just mean lowing texture, lighting, or smoke... sometimes all you need is to clean up the area from props.

other time you need a Watch Dog,

...........
the gameplay,
seen it but i want more gameplay vids....

the idea looks solid if they can get it to work flawless...
i cant wait for more details.


in terms of gameplay this maybe the biggest update to the gameplay of AC since a long time.

Assassin_M
07-23-2014, 04:27 AM
it's not a downgrade, read what i posted. You keep repeating what you said in your initial post, it's not a downgrade. GTA V is not a downgrade, AC was not a downgrade and FC3 was not a downgrade, it's not a mindset, it's a fact.

Watch Dogs is a slight downgrade because they removed certain visual effects. GTA V, AC and FC3 are NOT downgraded because the level looking less dense is NOT removal of props, it's a rerouting of density and spreading it all over the map plane--The demos are smaller than the full game, so the detail is focused on just ONE are, the gameplay demo area, while the final game contends with the whole map, so all the resources are spread about. it's not a downgrade, it's like a little piece of chocolate cake that has 5 strawberries and a full cake with the same 5 strawberries, it's not a downgrade.

RaulO4
07-23-2014, 04:31 AM
it's not a downgrade, read what i posted.

you should read this part clearly,

"downgrade does not just mean lowing texture, lighting, or smoke... sometimes all you need is to clean up the area from props.

other time you need a Watch Dog,"


or you may know this downgrade to be known (the market term so it wont sound bad)
optimization

Assassin_M
07-23-2014, 05:02 AM
you should read this part clearly,

"downgrade does not just mean lowing texture, lighting, or smoke... sometimes all you need is to clean up the area from props.

other time you need a Watch Dog,"
Yes it does, you have no idea what you're talking about, you're only using a few fancy terms you heard and caught up here and there and are parroting things others said on YT. I'm even sorry for being this mean, i sound like a jerk right now but there's just no other way for me to put it across. You LITERALLY don't know what you're talking about...do you understand what rerouting props and resources means? what a vertical slice is? What a video game is like during the stages its shown at conventions like E3? Did you understand ANYTHING I said at all?


or you may know this downgrade to be known (the market term so it wont sound bad)
optimization
Optimization =/= downgrade no

RaulO4
07-23-2014, 05:25 AM
i do,
this is what im study to become.... not youtube but school.

my teacher are Devs that Work in the fields.

one work in the...... ahem "in very low voice" cod, the others did many other project in EA/ and or other places.
(you can image how much fun was to ask him the number one question, so...how much was that copy and paste? )

there many reason why a level does not run

some Optimization can help.

better coding
better modeling of a model, sometimes you can cut a lot of poly of a object and you wont lose any details other just does need such amount of poly because its not the focus.
sometimes you just have to remove a lighting engine features for a much simpler lighting that the hardware can run.

lest say all is fine with the Engine,
the level is just too much for the 360.

its time to "optimize" how my teacher says it, start asking whats the focus of the level and what can be remove that does not heavily impact the over all production value of the scene.

like, do you really need this 100 plus cups here? nope with 10 - 20 cups is enough to get the point across for the scene

so yes sometime Optimization can mean to Downgrade by removing objects or lowing the poly count.
there many ways to optimize a game.



dont worry about you sounding like anything, its fine this is the internet as long that no one takes anything to heart its fine

Assassin_M
07-23-2014, 05:59 AM
i do,
this is what im study to become.... not youtube but school.

my teacher are Devs that Work in the fields.

one work in the...... ahem "in very low voice" cod, the others did many other project in EA/ and or other places.
(you can image how much fun was to ask him the number one question, so...how much was that copy and paste? )

there many reason why a level does not run

some Optimization can help.

better coding
better modeling of a model, sometimes you can cut a lot of poly of a object and you wont lose any details other just does need such amount of poly because its not the focus.
sometimes you just have to remove a lighting engine features for a much simpler lighting that the hardware can run.

lest say all is fine with the Engine,
the level is just too much for the 360.

its time to "optimize" how my teacher says it, start asking whats the focus of the level and what can be remove that does not heavily impact the over all production value of the scene.

like, do you really need this 100 plus cups here? nope with 10 - 20 cups is enough to get the point across for the scene

so yes sometime Optimization can mean to Downgrade by removing objects or lowing the poly count.
there many ways to optimize a game.



dont worry about you sounding like anything, its fine this is the internet as long that no one takes anything to heart its fine
Well, I look idiotic then...this is awkward--I'm sorry. I'm studying Game Design too and--as far as i can make from what you're posting--you mostly have a good idea of what you're talking about......kinda, from what i understood at least BUT, i really don't think ANYONE would call it a downgrade.

Optimizing a game does not just go into cutting down on polygons...etc and, it really isn't a downgrade...even if your explanation, oversimplified as it is, does not even constitute using the word "downgrade". when designing a game, the ultimate goal for the developers is getting a solid frame rate. it's like trimming the sides of a fold up chair, cutting down the size of a car engine..etc. a lot of the design and technical choices revolve around maintaining the solid frame rate and stable performance during the early phases of developing a game so it's VERY early in the development that an idea is set upon.

Vertical slices are created pretty far into the development stage because it's a small sub-domain that generally represents the final product. It's the game but on a minimized scale, one area/mission complete with working AI, (sometimes) HUD art, polished control scheme, cinematics and NEAR final quality art assets..key word being near. I'm sure you know this SO, imagine my example again of the chocolate cake...having 5 strawberries on a piece of cake and having the same 5 strawberries but on the WHOLE cake--that's not a downgrade, it's a reroute...a reuse...spreading the assets around the rest of the world. The vertical slice has a small world to show, a minimized final game.

does any of that make sense?

Secu12
07-23-2014, 06:18 AM
In this trailer, at 14:43 if I'm correct, they say something about being able to communicate much easily with other studios, like the one in Bucharest. This mean they will handle the co-op part?
If so, there will be a big event here on the lunch day! :d

RaulO4
07-23-2014, 07:37 AM
Well, I look idiotic then...this is awkward--I'm sorry. I'm studying Game Design too and--as far as i can make from what you're posting--you mostly have a good idea of what you're talking about......kinda, from what i understood at least BUT, i really don't think ANYONE would call it a downgrade.

Optimizing a game does not just go into cutting down on polygons...etc and, it really isn't a downgrade...even if your explanation, oversimplified as it is, does not even constitute using the word "downgrade". when designing a game, the ultimate goal for the developers is getting a solid frame rate. it's like trimming the sides of a fold up chair, cutting down the size of a car engine..etc. a lot of the design and technical choices revolve around maintaining the solid frame rate and stable performance during the early phases of developing a game so it's VERY early in the development that an idea is set upon.

Vertical slices are created pretty far into the development stage because it's a small sub-domain that generally represents the final product. It's the game but on a minimized scale, one area/mission complete with working AI, (sometimes) HUD art, polished control scheme, cinematics and NEAR final quality art assets..key word being near. I'm sure you know this SO, imagine my example again of the chocolate cake...having 5 strawberries on a piece of cake and having the same 5 strawberries but on the WHOLE cake--that's not a downgrade, it's a reroute...a reuse...spreading the assets around the rest of the world. The vertical slice has a small world to show, a minimized final game.

does any of that make sense?


/agree

i that is what im saying if i change my view to yours,

the demo may be a slice and in the final may have to remove or change objects around because the Frame Rate cant keep up or its not solid enough...

i guess we were saying the samething but are wording were different.

its why i want to see the gameplay and not the graphics,

maybe they couldnt have that many NPC at once and have to drop the npc count by a few and so on....


also sorry for bad writing,

im mostly rushing it (with a phone)

which i shouldnt do....

wvstolzing
07-23-2014, 08:40 AM
what are you even saying

poly sounds like a drug

Aren't you supposed to be more kind, and compassionate, and everything? I mean, being Jesus and all?

Jexx21
07-23-2014, 09:04 AM
Jesus flips over tables and **** bro.

Curses out all the bankers and politicians.

(im not kidding that's actually in the bible)

LoyalACFan
07-23-2014, 09:36 AM
Jesus flips over tables and **** bro.

Curses out all the bankers and politicians.

(im not kidding that's actually in the bible)

He gets pretty gangster on that fig tree though

wvstolzing
07-23-2014, 12:58 PM
Jesus flips over tables and **** bro.
Curses out all the bankers and politicians.
(im not kidding that's actually in the bible)

I know -- he also tells people to abandon their families, the baptism with fire, and so on.(*)

... but he never makes fun of hapless guys on forums.



(* The best, though, is in the non-canonical 'infancy gospels': As a kid, he kills his playmates, and then resurrects them, just for fun.)

Locopells
07-23-2014, 01:33 PM
I think we're getting a little off the topic here - and it's a fine line, rule-wise, as well...

pacmanate
07-23-2014, 02:27 PM
Well, I look idiotic then...this is awkward--I'm sorry. I'm studying Game Design too and--as far as i can make from what you're posting--you mostly have a good idea of what you're talking about......kinda, from what i understood at least BUT, i really don't think ANYONE would call it a downgrade.

Optimizing a game does not just go into cutting down on polygons...etc and, it really isn't a downgrade...even if your explanation, oversimplified as it is, does not even constitute using the word "downgrade". when designing a game, the ultimate goal for the developers is getting a solid frame rate. it's like trimming the sides of a fold up chair, cutting down the size of a car engine..etc. a lot of the design and technical choices revolve around maintaining the solid frame rate and stable performance during the early phases of developing a game so it's VERY early in the development that an idea is set upon.

Vertical slices are created pretty far into the development stage because it's a small sub-domain that generally represents the final product. It's the game but on a minimized scale, one area/mission complete with working AI, (sometimes) HUD art, polished control scheme, cinematics and NEAR final quality art assets..key word being near. I'm sure you know this SO, imagine my example again of the chocolate cake...having 5 strawberries on a piece of cake and having the same 5 strawberries but on the WHOLE cake--that's not a downgrade, it's a reroute...a reuse...spreading the assets around the rest of the world. The vertical slice has a small world to show, a minimized final game.

does any of that make sense?

lul, M is defeated

roostersrule2
07-23-2014, 02:35 PM
My favourite part was when he said the other guy had NFI then totally 180'd hehe

Assassin_M
07-23-2014, 07:32 PM
lul, M is defeated
Yeah and it was in embarrassing fashion too

Bashilir
07-23-2014, 09:18 PM
Yeah and it was in embarrassing fashion too

Fix yourself a nice bowl of soup and you'll be fine

Braders06
08-22-2014, 12:44 AM
Does anyone have any idea when (or even if) part three of this series is coming? I quite enjoy watching these kind of videos, for some reason they seem to get me more excited for the games than the cgi trailers or music videos, as they let you see the thinking behind the ideas and changes, along with giving you glimpse of what to look forward to come october 28th :D

JustPlainQuirky
08-22-2014, 12:46 AM
Should come out anytime now actually

souNdwAve89
08-22-2014, 02:04 AM
My guess is during the weekend of PAX like how the first episode came out during E3.

Sesheenku
08-22-2014, 03:28 AM
-AI supposedly improved (tho animations sure are looped fairly quickly)

That's because they only have one animation for that. Dunno if they have any transitions. I've never done the actual animation creation but I've done editing of animations and it did indeed used to require code.

Here's an old quake 3 set of code that must be edited before the animation applies in game.

"// animation config file

sex n

// first frame, num frames, looping frames, frames per second

footsteps flesh
0 51 0 20 // BOTH_DEATH1
50 1 0 20 // BOTH_DEAD1
51 25 0 20 // BOTH_DEATH2
75 1 0 20 // BOTH_DEAD2
76 31 0 20 // BOTH_DEATH3
106 1 0 20 // BOTH_DEAD3

107 44 0 20 // TORSO_GESTURE

151 6 0 15 // TORSO_ATTACK (MUST NOT CHANGE -- hand animation is synced to this)
157 6 0 15 // TORSO_ATTACK2 (MUST NOT CHANGE -- hand animation is synced to this)

163 5 0 20 // TORSO_DROP (MUST NOT CHANGE -- hand animation is synced to this)
168 4 0 20 // TORSO_RAISE (MUST NOT CHANGE -- hand animation is synced to this)

172 1 0 15 // TORSO_STAND
173 1 0 15 // TORSO_STAND2

174 13 13 20 // LEGS_WALKCR
187 23 23 25 // LEGS_WALK
210 21 21 25 // LEGS_RUN
231 14 14 23 // LEGS_BACK
245 21 21 20 // LEGS_SWIM

256 8 0 15 // LEGS_JUMP
264 6 0 20 // LEGS_LAND

270 6 0 15 // LEGS_JUMPB
276 11 0 20 // LEGS_LANDB

287 10 10 15 // LEGS_IDLE
297 10 10 15 // LEGS_IDLECR

307 7 7 20 // LEGS_TURN"

The animations are represented by the numbers and you use a tool somewhat like the ones shown in the video to view the animation. Then you assign all its frames accordingly and test to see if you did it properly.

Nice to see that they've integrated so many tools these days, used to be level designers had to make those entire houses by hand. Everything by hand in fact save for any models placed in the map.

JustPlainQuirky
08-22-2014, 03:37 AM
Thanks for the trivia :p

jeordievera
08-22-2014, 08:32 AM
It took them 6 weeks to upload this second part so my guess is we can expect the third part first week in September.

In the meantime here's little behind the scenes video from Game On:

http://youtu.be/naWdCTil7nE