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bird_brain
05-14-2004, 09:51 AM
I have done some reading and it seems that we have all the right ingredients to make a Malta Campaign.

I am envisioning starting with a few early Gladiator missions in 1940 & then moving on to Hurricanes as the fight against the Italians intensifies and goes through 1941.

After the initial phase and the Italians give up, the second tour in '42 would be Spitfires against the German Luftwaffe.

Is anyone interested? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Before I sit down & spend all my spare time for the next month on it, I want to know what you all think.

Let me know and if there is enough positive feedback, I will get it started.

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bird_brain
05-14-2004, 09:51 AM
I have done some reading and it seems that we have all the right ingredients to make a Malta Campaign.

I am envisioning starting with a few early Gladiator missions in 1940 & then moving on to Hurricanes as the fight against the Italians intensifies and goes through 1941.

After the initial phase and the Italians give up, the second tour in '42 would be Spitfires against the German Luftwaffe.

Is anyone interested? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Before I sit down & spend all my spare time for the next month on it, I want to know what you all think.

Let me know and if there is enough positive feedback, I will get it started.

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widgeon
05-14-2004, 10:27 AM
Sounds interesting here.

Widgeon

hotspace
05-14-2004, 10:31 AM
I'm making a "Battle of Malta" Campaign in the very near future.

Caseyjay, one of the top skinner's from IL2Skins.com is doing the Skins for it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Hot Space

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/Hot_Space/222_1081552716_hs1sig.jpg

Nervous? Yes! First time? No, I've been nervous lots of times!!!

Lucius_Esox
05-14-2004, 01:26 PM
I for one would be very interested m8. Faith, Hope, and charity were the names of the original Swordfish I think (yes 3 of em) and not until the VB's appeared were the RAF anywhere near fighting the Hun on equal terms. By anyone's standard the air defense of Malta was a fantastic achievment and I found my self when reading about it "disbelieving" some of the ratios vis a vis fighter to fighter in the early part of the defense. After cross referencing found these accounts to be true, a must read for any WW2 propheads.

hotspace
05-14-2004, 01:54 PM
Almost, M8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

They were Gloster Sea Gladitor's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I'm looking around the net at the moment to find more details and picture's of all the Aircraft involved so the Campaign will be authentic as possible. So if you see any, it would be a great help, M8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hot Space

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Festung Europa Spitfire Campaign (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-14.html)

bird_brain
05-14-2004, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hotspace:
I'm making a "Battle of Malta" Campaign in the very near future.

Caseyjay, one of the top skinner's from IL2Skins.com is doing the Skins for it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are already working on it, I will look forward to playing it in the near future.

Caseyjay has some great skins so that should turn out great!

Check your PTs. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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bird_brain
05-14-2004, 04:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hotspace:
I'm looking around the net at the moment to find more details and picture's of all the Aircraft involved so the Campaign will be authentic as possible. So if you see any, it would be a great help, M8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You probably already saw these:

http://jyarbrough.homestead.com/SeaGladiator_1.jpg

http://jyarbrough.homestead.com/SeaGladiator_2.jpg

There is also one really good skin @IL2Skins for the Sea Gladiator. #9477-J8A-BritishFleetAirArm. You should check that one too. #5519 was the only one of the 3 to survive the battle.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Lucius_Esox
05-14-2004, 04:22 PM
Lol, yep, Gladiators! Easily confused http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Saw a Swordfish at the Biggin Hill Airshow a few years back and was suprised at how big it was, they are not fighter size.

Looking forward to a Malta campaign m8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mariskal
05-14-2004, 04:23 PM
HotSpace, Bird_Brain,

Please do it! Either together or two independent campaigns. I'm sure is going to be good!

hotspace
05-14-2004, 05:16 PM
Yep, I'm gonna start one as soon as the Patch comes out, M8. I'll post a Thread at the Mission Forum here about it in the next few day's or so.

Thanks for the Screenies bird_brain http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif I've asked Capt.Haddock at IL2Skins if it's ok if I can use it - just waiting for a reply back at the mo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hot Space

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Festung Europa Spitfire Campaign (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-14.html)

bird_brain
05-14-2004, 05:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hotspace:
Yep, I'm gonna start one as soon as the Patch comes out, M8. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In 2 weeks?..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

You may need a few of these too:

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[This message was edited by bird_brain on Fri May 14 2004 at 04:34 PM.]

hotspace
05-14-2004, 05:42 PM
Better make it 3 to be on the safe side http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yep got a few of those, M8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Caseyjay is gonna making some Brit Skins for the same plane so they can represent Martin Marylands.

Hot Space

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wayno7777
05-15-2004, 12:07 AM
Go for it!!!

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Any landing you can walk away from is a good one!

hotspace
05-15-2004, 07:26 AM
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Hot Space

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compass1
05-15-2004, 11:47 AM
A Malta map would be the most exciting add-on of all for FB-that and tropical filters.

hotspace
05-15-2004, 07:12 PM
It would be nice if we got those, but I can't see it happening http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Hot Space

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hotspace
05-17-2004, 11:28 AM
Bird-brain, it's all your's to make, m8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hot Space

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delta_9_tetra
05-17-2004, 12:03 PM
I hope you guys making the Malta missions are aware of the mission/FMB map pack available here http://home.att.net/~r.lee.sullivan/blackhawk-islandFB.html
Look at the Marc "Sulla" Charlebois' Malta Pack:.
There is a new world in there, totally amazing cityscape, Valetta harbour etc... you should check it out. A good advert for what can be done in FMB!

http://img28.photobucket.com/albums/v84/delta_9_tetra/il2/MaltaPackSulla-1.jpg

http://www.imgmag.org/images/delta9tetra/030104-d9t.gif

tttiger
05-17-2004, 12:14 PM
Actually, you can build your own Malta Campaign in DCG right now, using either the Pacific or Med small maps.

Gladiator vs CR-42 is great fighting! Toss in a G-50, an Italian Stuka and a Blennie or two. Hurris if you want 'em, but they kinda dominate and steal kills from the Gladiators. I left the Hurri out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

ttt

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-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."

hotspace
05-17-2004, 04:39 PM
WOW http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I'll take at look at this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I've made an Online "Battle of Malta" Game, so this should look good.

Thanks, M8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hot Space

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propDrop999
05-17-2004, 05:45 PM
Sign me up!

Malta's the closest the western allies had to a siege like Leningrad, though on a smaller scale.

The end of the campaign would give me a chance to pretend I'm Buzz Beurling ( uh, yeh right ).

It'd be great if you could model the takeoffs they had to do from small English carriers. Check this description from a site dedicated
to Beurling:

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
Getting to Malta was problematic, as the Germans and Italians
were trying to cut it off and pound it to pieces. Any ship getting
within range of Axis bombers flying from Sicily were in grave danger
and German U-boats prowled the waters. The 16 new Spitfire Mk Vs and
their pilots destined for Malta were shipped in the aircraft carrier
HMS Eagle. When they were within flying range of Malta (600 miles) the
pilots were given instructions on the heading and approximate distance
to the island and flew off the deck of the Eagle. This was difficult
to do as the Spitfire was never designed for this. The technicians
onboard Eagle put wedges in the flaps to hold them at 50% (Spitfires
had only 2 flap settings, full up and full down), then the pilots had
to rev their engines to the max while standing on their brakes. The
deck officer waited until the Eagle rose on a wave and signalled them
off. Once off the deck the Spitfire would drop close to the ocean
before flying. Once altitude was gained, the pilots dropped flaps all
the way, the wedges fell out and then retracted their flaps. The
Germans did their best to confuse the new pilots by giving false
instructions in English, but most pilots were not fooled by this
ruse. Beurling had just landed in his brand new Spitfire, when the
cockpit hood was whipped back, the groundcrew pulled him out and
another pilot climbed into the cockpit. As soon as it was refueled and
armed it roared off to confront an inbound flight of Axis fighters and
bombers. He had landed in the middle of an air raid. Many Spitfires
were destroyed on the ground before they had a chance to get into the
fight.
</pre>

- from, http://www.constable.ca/beurling.htm


What map do you plan on using?

http://katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images05-Zelma/stalingrad-zelma-downplane.jpg
Stalingrad 1942

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
... So began the most appalling, devastating and savage conflict in
the history of warfare.

It was conducted on both sides by obsessively ruthless tyrants,
battering one another like a pair of rabid rhinoceroses - with this
difference that they used not their own bodies but those of millions of
men whom, by the exercise of will, they committed to every kind of
suffering, mutilation and death. Until nearly the end of its four
years this fearful contest was remote from the other theatres of war,
so that when it ended its impact on the rest of the world - on those
who were neither Russian nor German - was incommensurate with its
hideous actuality.
</pre>

From the chapter 'Barbarossa', The Penguin History of the Second
World War, Calvocoressi, Wint, Pritchard.

[This message was edited by propDrop999 on Mon May 17 2004 at 05:47 PM.]

Pentallion
05-17-2004, 06:09 PM
For those who might like a taste of Malta online, check out:

www.ironskies.net/ (http://www.ironskies.net/)

Malta has been under siege for 4 months now but is faring well. Just last mission the Italians shot down some Hurricanes attempting to reach Malta from the HMS Argus. They had no ammo to fight back as they were launched from too far away. Gladiators from the island managed to fight off the CR42's and G-50's and many Hurricanes reached the island safely.

Tomorrow we expect another raid to hit.

British pilots are practicing carrier landings on a mock up of the HMS Illustrious.

Everyone is hoping the MC-202 will be flyable soon.

http://www.simops.com/249th/sigs/Wildcard.jpg

bird_brain
05-17-2004, 07:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by delta_9_tetra:
I hope you guys making the Malta missions are aware of the mission/FMB map pack available here http://home.att.net/~r.lee.sullivan/blackhawk-islandFB.html
Look at the Marc "Sulla" Charlebois' Malta Pack:.
There is a new world in there, totally amazing cityscape, Valetta harbour etc... you should check it out. A good advert for what can be done in FMB!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have not seen it before. I will take a look. If your sig is any indication, it looks very extensive.

Apparently there is alot of interest in a Malta campaign. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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CraytonRoberts
05-17-2004, 07:47 PM
You did a great job!If this terrific map, Malta, c an be made and installed into the game, why can't an eqwually good map be made, and installed of, say the south of England and the coast of France?

bird_brain
05-17-2004, 07:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by propDrop999:
The end of the campaign would give me a chance to pretend I'm Buzz Beurling ( uh, yeh right ).
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You already can...check out the "Lone Wolf" mission in the World's Greatest Aces.

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Hoarmurath
05-17-2004, 08:24 PM
Lol, it seem that there are a lot of Malta campaigns under construction.

I'm doing an Offline Malta campaign myself.

While the Malta pack is very accurate, i think it is too heavily loaded in objects, and cover only Malta, so i prefer to use the Golf of Finland Map. This way i can do the Malta campaign from Britain point of view, and from italian/german point of view. But of course i can't obtain such a fine Valletta harbor. It should be interesting for all Malta campaign and mission builders to compare their work and intentions. Maybe we can achieve a better result by working together. Or even only by sharing infos if we found out that our projects differ enough to keep them separates?

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pdog1
05-17-2004, 09:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bird_brain:
After the initial phase and the Italians give up<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must be a special kind of moron.
I'm tired of ignorant people like you.
Go read the book Malta Spitfire by George Beurling and see what his opinion of italian and luftwaffe pilots are, come back here informed and then say something not like now where you only talk out of your corn hole.
Italians flew through the entire campaign, the germans left to start operation barbarossa and then came back later, it was the italians who constantly flew to malta and second tour you speak of in 1942 was luftwaffe and regia aeronautica with new Mc202 against spitfires.
Please, go read some books.

hotspace
05-18-2004, 06:53 AM
Just to fair to everyone, I know of at least 4 folk's making "Malta" Campaign's. So I'll let this one pass and I'm sure that folk's could do just a good job as I could. But I do highly recommend this though - Excellent http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://home.att.net/~r.lee.sullivan/blackhawk-islandFB.html

What I'll tried my hand at next, will be a "North Africa" Campaign instead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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bird_brain
05-18-2004, 08:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pdog1:
You must be a special kind of moron.
I'm tired of ignorant people like you.
Go read the book Malta Spitfire by George Beurling and see what his opinion of italian and luftwaffe pilots are, come back here informed and then say something not like now where you only talk out of your corn hole.
Italians flew through the entire campaign, the germans left to start operation barbarossa and then came back later, it was the italians who constantly flew to malta and second tour you speak of in 1942 was luftwaffe and regia aeronautica with new Mc202 against spitfires.
Please, go read some books.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you seem to be quite a rude A$$hole yourself... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif.
(Insert 3 finger salute icon here.)

I was not expressing a low opinion of Italian & German pilots anyway...I was merely paraphrasing that they gave up trying to take out Malta for a while. Obviously they came back. Too bad you have to take it so personally.
It seems that the battle of Malta is an emotional subject for alot of people.

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pdog1
05-18-2004, 09:03 AM
don't like the misrepresentation of my people is all.

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-18-2004, 09:43 AM
Sounds great http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured
to you again.

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bird_brain
05-18-2004, 10:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pdog1:
don't like the misrepresentation of my people is all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't mean to misrepresent them or imply your people are quitters or in some way less valiant than their adversaries.

I am aware that there were quite a few Italian aces as a result of the Battles for Malta as well as British & German. I am only assuming you're Italian, but obviously Malta was a very costly campaign for everyone involved.

BTW, I am currently reading Hurricanes over Malta by by Brian Cull & Frederick Galea and was planning on ordering Beurling's book in the near future. I may be a little ignorant at times, butI actually do know how to read. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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propDrop999
05-19-2004, 08:08 PM
Indeed! Beurling did say that the Italians stuck it out in dog fights longer than the Germans.

Don't worry pdog1, bird_brain is not really a Bird Brain, as far as I can tell he just thinks about war Birds a lot, a lot of 'birds' on the brain - n'est pas?

bird_brain - am enjoying your Ace pack, have yet to get to the Beurling missions, am doing them in sequence as they appear in the 'None' list. Are the flight paths and altitudes correct? Just wondering how close these are to the original events.

http://katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images05-Zelma/stalingrad-zelma-downplane.jpg
Stalingrad 1942

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
... So began the most appalling, devastating and savage conflict in
the history of warfare.

It was conducted on both sides by obsessively ruthless tyrants,
battering one another like a pair of rabid rhinoceroses - with this
difference that they used not their own bodies but those of millions of
men whom, by the exercise of will, they committed to every kind of
suffering, mutilation and death. Until nearly the end of its four
years this fearful contest was remote from the other theatres of war,
so that when it ended its impact on the rest of the world - on those
who were neither Russian nor German - was incommensurate with its
hideous actuality.
</pre>

From the chapter 'Barbarossa', The Penguin History of the Second
World War, Calvocoressi, Wint, Pritchard.

bird_brain
05-19-2004, 10:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by propDrop999:
Are the flight paths and altitudes correct? Just wondering how close these are to the original events.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the Yaeger mission, it is painfully accurate as to altitude, time of day, # of aircraft, weather, direction of attack & sun position. I had to alter distance from enemy flights and following flight placement due to limitations of the A.I. The map is about 200 miles further into Germany than he really was that day, but I made do with what was at hand.

I made the flight intelligence more or less match that of the real group & the only thing I could not recreate was the trailing 2 EA running into each other to give Chuck 2 easy "kills."

Ian Boys was kind enough to test fly the missions for me & pointed out that the speed displayed on the speedbar is groundspeed. I originally had them cruising right @ stalling speed so I ran it up to about 450kph @ high altitude. Is it an accurate #? I have not done the math but it is close as far as i can tell.

Right now, it is late here in Georgia & my wife really wants to see me upstairs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif so I will post the details for you on the rest of the missions tomorrow.

Check back later... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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bird_brain
05-20-2004, 08:17 AM
Hey propDrop999...

I will post the rest in "The World's Greatest Aces" thread in the mission builders' forum.

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propDrop999
05-21-2004, 10:45 AM
Sorry for the delay in responding. I have not even had time to install the patch, too busy!

Yeah that Yeager mission was very special. Got a chill down my spine as I was scanning the skies and it occured to me that this is probably about as close as it gets for being infront of a computer screen, 60 years later ...

Just wish the maps were big enough to accomadate the take-off. Theres something sacred to me about turning the engine over, then meditating on the mission ahead. The things that must have gone through their heads as they waited to taxi out, took off, formed up then sailed off to what might have been ultimate glory or maybe their ultimate sacrifice ... Glad it worked out for Yeager the way it did!

That's fine work sir bird_brain - this kind of contribution enrich's us all.

http://katardat.org/marxuniv/2002-SUWW2/Images/images05-Zelma/stalingrad-zelma-downplane.jpg
Stalingrad 1942

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... So began the most appalling, devastating and savage conflict in
the history of warfare.

It was conducted on both sides by obsessively ruthless tyrants,
battering one another like a pair of rabid rhinoceroses - with this
difference that they used not their own bodies but those of millions of
men whom, by the exercise of will, they committed to every kind of
suffering, mutilation and death. Until nearly the end of its four
years this fearful contest was remote from the other theatres of war,
so that when it ended its impact on the rest of the world - on those
who were neither Russian nor German - was incommensurate with its
hideous actuality.
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From the chapter 'Barbarossa', The Penguin History of the Second
World War, Calvocoressi, Wint, Pritchard.