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D-XXI
07-17-2004, 06:09 AM
On monday we're leaving for a holiday to the Mosel-tal in Germany (somewhere between Koblenz and Trier). Are there any good war museums in the neighbourhood there with aircraft and/or tanks?

D-XXI
07-17-2004, 06:09 AM
On monday we're leaving for a holiday to the Mosel-tal in Germany (somewhere between Koblenz and Trier). Are there any good war museums in the neighbourhood there with aircraft and/or tanks?

PBNA-Boosher
07-17-2004, 06:24 AM
Darn, wish I could go. I'm in the USA. Definitely try to check out any flak towers if there are going to be a couple around you. I'm not sure about museums though. Try the German forum.

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-17-2004, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D-XXI:
On monday we're leaving for a holiday to the Mosel-tal in Germany (somewhere between Koblenz and Trier). Are there any good war museums in the neighbourhood there with aircraft and/or tanks?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd suggest u asking this in the German forum, most of the guy's can speek english and are able to help http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Capt.LoneRanger
07-17-2004, 07:08 AM
There aren't many "war-museums" in Germany, sorry. The main reason is probably, that there is simply not much left to show in an exhibition - the tanks, weapons and aircraft were taken or destroyed. Same is for most of the bunkers that really were of any historic importance.

If you go to the Mosel-area, there are a lot of castles, beautifull sites (Loreley) and many other places, like the hughe winegrowing fields (and the nice wine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

In Koblenz, there was a bridge that was fought for in WW2, but it was destroyed, too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

The only thing you MIGHT see are FlaK-Bunkers, but they are usually located in rural areas and they are rotten and you won't be able to go inside. In most cities there are also a lot of shelters against the airraids. They are far to expensive to modify or destroy. Only few projects were realized to convert bunkers into restaurants or something similar. But definately not in that area. You gotta go to the Ruhrgebiet to see these. (Duisburg, Dortmund, Duisburg, or the area around Cologne)

I'll look up, if there's anything interesting concerning WW2, but I'd advise you to visit the "Drachenstein(=DragonStone)"-Castle-Ruin. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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Capt.LoneRanger
07-17-2004, 07:11 AM
And here we go:

There is a mini-sub in a administrative building:

http://www.juergenthuro.de/html/subhtml/u9lageplan.html


No other really intersting points there.

Oh, one more thing about Trier:
The largest Toy-Museum of Europe is located in Trier. If you got the time, you should pay it a visit. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Jirozaemon
07-17-2004, 07:19 AM
Hi there...

As for WWII Trier is not the right location, BUT: it is an ancient roman city / garnison !

For warmuseums you should go to Technikmuseum in Sinsheim (should be not too far, it`s near Heidelberg), Deutsches Museum in Munich (quite a distance) or to Speyer (for the ancient city and the chatedral as well). Another warmuseum is located near Hannover...

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quigs62
07-17-2004, 07:52 AM
Panzer museum in Munster, also Me262 at Rhein-Main flughafen in Frankfurt a.m. Take me with you!!!

plumps_
07-17-2004, 08:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
And here we go:

There is a mini-sub in a administrative building:

http://www.juergenthuro.de/html/subhtml/u9lageplan.html


No other really intersting points there.
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I think you were referring to the Technik Museum Speyer.
http://www.technik-museum.de/speyer.html
They even have a BF-109 there, isn't that interesting?

Not in the Mosel Valley, but in Alsace/Northern France:
http://www.musee-abri-hatten.com/
A bunker of the Maginot line that can be visited.

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Capt.LoneRanger
07-17-2004, 08:13 AM
Münster is quite far from the Mosel-Area - then it would be better and more rewarding to go to Munich.

Yes, plumps, that is the same location, but I found a completely other destription - LOL. Maybe an old link?
Anyways, this looks really nice and promising.
Where is the Me262 in Frankfurt!? Was there 3-4 times during the last 1 1/2 years, but never saw that!?

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Willey
07-17-2004, 08:31 AM
Visit the "Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung" in Koblenz. They have some nice things there, even a T-34, various guns (103, 108, 151/20s, .50s). Not to mention a working Revi in a showcase http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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plumps_
07-17-2004, 08:41 AM
Note that the tank museum is not at Münster/Westphalia but at Munster/Lüneburg Heath (with the major military training areas of Bergen-Hohne and Munster), that's between Hannover and Hamburg and even further away from Trier than Münster.

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csThor
07-17-2004, 09:08 AM
Not sure about it, but how about a trip to Belgium? AFAIK there is a museum dedicated to the Battle of the Bulge and I have seen pics of a Tiger II and a few other tanks there. Speaking of museums the others are right - the area is not really interestin in that respect. Actually there are only a few museums dealing with military history that are worth a visit - Speyer, Sinsheim, Hannover-Laatzen, Munich, Panzermuseum Munster, maybe Luftwaffenmuseum Berlin-Gatow and the exhibition of Technikmuseum Berlin (once they actually get to open the aircraft exhibition - Bf 109 E-7, Bf 110 E or F, Stuka wreck etc ..).

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Die-Ratte
07-17-2004, 09:20 AM
Museum in Sinsheim is very good maybe the best in Germany!
They have many Planes(Tu144,Concorde),Tanks,
Guns and Military vehicles (from 8t Halftrack to Sturmtiger with 38cm Rocketmortar http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif )

http://www.museum-sinsheim.de/automatic-html/

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fiesetrix
07-17-2004, 09:48 AM
In Koblenz you can visit the "Wehrtechnische Sammlung" - a collection of German weaponry beginning well before WWI. There are always some WWII Tanks on display. You can at least spend 2 or 3 hours in this museum. In the Mosel Area are no aviation museums. Sinsheim host a huge technical museum with several aircraft on display. It is about a 90 min trip southbound on the A-61. And when you visit Sinsheim, then make a short stop in the town of Speyer - there is also a technical museum and the cathedral is worth a visit. Have fun!

plumps_
07-17-2004, 09:59 AM
Koblenz is one of the most traditional German garrision towns. It was founded by the Romans as a military outpost. A lot has been destroyed in the bombardments of WWII, but you'll still find some fortifications from the 19th century. The most impressive is the fortress of Ehrenbreitstein (http://www.festungehrenbreitstein.de/). Some more pictures (http://www.hhog.de/en/showCity_en_detail.php?cityID=10337&folderID=10349&articleID=2288%20#)

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