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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 05:47 PM
Greetings all.
Just wondering what type of server seems more attractive to you...
All planes available on either side, or Axis vs Allies...or German vs American...or Soviet vs German... or...what else is out there.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 05:47 PM
Greetings all.
Just wondering what type of server seems more attractive to you...
All planes available on either side, or Axis vs Allies...or German vs American...or Soviet vs German... or...what else is out there.

Regards,
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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 05:56 PM
A good measure of both. Axis vs Allies part of the time and then A good Free For All to hone your situational awareness. Or vice versa. Me 262 FFA's are particularly fun.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 05:57 PM
For me, I prefer Axis v. Allies, but like to mix it up on occassion. It's interesting to see what kind of moves and tactics other pilots use in your favorite planes.

Another fun scenario is Russian v. German v. US/UK. I forget who runs it, but someone has that server up once in a while and it's a blast - like a three man boxing match.

(Hmmmm, does this question have anything to do with the banning the 262 thread?)

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:00 PM
JV44Rall wrote:
- For me, I prefer Axis v. Allies, but like to mix it
- up on occassion. It's interesting to see what kind
- of moves and tactics other pilots use in your
- favorite planes.
-
- Another fun scenario is Russian v. German v. US/UK.
- I forget who runs it, but someone has that server up
- once in a while and it's a blast - like a three man
- boxing match.
-
- (Hmmmm, does this question have anything to do with
- the banning the 262 thread?)
-
-

Gemini runs it. I was thinking to put ot small map for all planes avail. I even have one i think. We`ll see if folks will like it. But that`s going to be pure DF, No ground.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:00 PM
fly any plane on either team. otherwise people stack up sides and are unwilling to switch teams too much. they will actually sit there with 10 v 4 and say i wont switch i hate russians etc. also its even worse in period limited servers with german v russian planes. its sometimes hard enough to get people to switch teams to balance out games. we will boot people regularly that continually keep games unbalanced. and vulchers get booted too from AFJ MASTIFF server

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:04 PM
I prefer axis vs. allies and strongly dislike allied FW or German Yaks.

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:08 PM
I would like to see a 1943 server, only planse from 1939 til 1943...that could give some dynamic that you dont find on servers dominated by late model aircraft.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:08 PM
I definitely prefer Axis vs Allies year specific. I do however like to see an occasional mission with like planes(doesnt matter what year).

It's sometimes necessary to stop some Bitc...er...whining about fairness and all.



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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:37 PM
axis v allied, full real, year specific by preference.

as thunderbolt said above, no interest in allied fws (what's the point really?); though mainly to do with the fact that I can never tell one side from another!

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:55 PM
Bah! All these axis vs allied people like a plane from one side or the ohter and like shooting at the opposite, or, fear their own. Afterall, how many people want to go up against UFOs like Las and such? (ever notice how many more dedicated commie side players there are?)

Open plane sets are by far the better option because it's flexible. It's all about choice. It isn't about axis vs allies, it's about (generic) side vs (generic) side. It allows people to even up teams and take their favorite plane. It also allows people like me to use "hometown" planes and fight those of the "evil Empire" (thanks Ronny.... heh heh) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The choice and flexibility issues are paramount. Please do not limit planes by affiliation. (unless you want to try some highly experimental fictional thing)

Also, ground targets are still good in open plane set servers. No need to remove them. (just no gigabyte maps anymore, ok Ivan? lol /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif )

ZG77_Nagual
09-09-2003, 07:04 PM
I've been doing axis v ally since the 1.1b patch. I usually fly german - but I like flying the p47s, p40s and p39s too. Las are no big problem if you fly late 109s or 190s and mind your tactics. I'm pretty comfortable on either side - though my short attention span does favor the mk108s /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:22 PM
Axis vs. Allies. Any other way doesn't work for me. Feels too wierd in unlimited planesets - A Fw-190 and a P-47 working together? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Plus its easier to identify friend from foe; since on moderate detail settings you can tell plane shape and markings when you get close enough. FFA requires icons to be turned on, and I don't like icons that much.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:27 PM
Axizzle vs Allizzle

I like scripted servers, usually some people there like to work together, flying cover for bombers like me.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:51 PM
you've got to keep um seperated............

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:14 PM
Korolov wrote:
- Axis vs. Allies. Any other way doesn't work for me.
- Feels too wierd in unlimited planesets - A Fw-190
- and a P-47 working together?

What's wrong with that? You don't agree that freedom and choice are more important? I get bored with planes some times and want to switch up. Why should I be forced into one plane set or the other, or risk creating lopsided sides? I don't get it.


- Plus its easier to identify friend from foe; since
- on moderate detail settings you can tell plane shape
- and markings when you get close enough. FFA requires
- icons to be turned on, and I don't like icons that
- much.

Friendly icons are always on in Ivans servers, so I don't understand what you are on about here.

Plus you can put any markings in any plane. The combination is more than enough to identify friend from foe.

Finally, icons are actually more realistic than no icons. The reason is the lack of resolution, image size, and viewing angle (which relates to zoom actually) on a PC monitor. Icons help to over come that. Much like PL helps to overcome the fixed position head (a bit) and it's awkward, un-intuitive control interface.



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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:08 PM
DDT needs a hug again hehe... i should be home in the couple of hours lol

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:33 PM
As long as the game remains biased, I'm tempted to say "free for all on short-distance DF icon-servers" as long as the planes are correctly marked.
On long-distance servers without icons, axis vs allies is better.


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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:34 PM
Werre_ wrote:
- As long as the game remains biased....

What? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:44 PM
I like running the three-team set (Axis - Allies - Russia).
You're always outnumbered and you never know what the odd man out is going to do.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:46 PM
BlitzPig_DDT wrote:
-
- What's wrong with that? You don't agree that freedom
- and choice are more important? I get bored with
- planes some times and want to switch up. Why should
- I be forced into one plane set or the other, or risk
- creating lopsided sides? I don't get it.

Plenty of different planes to try on one side or the other. Tired of flying a Yak-3? Trade it in for a IL-2. P-47 giving you fits? Go for a P-39. Fw-190 getting on your nerves? Trade it in for a 109. I don't see what the problem is. There are many people willing to even out the teams even if you aren't.

- Friendly icons are always on in Ivans servers, so I
- don't understand what you are on about here.
-
- Plus you can put any markings in any plane. The
- combination is more than enough to identify friend
- from foe.
-

Ivan has friendly icons on for the people who run low settings on slow systems. If it weren't for that, he'd turn them off (because I constantly nag him about it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif ).

You can put any markings on any plane, but for the most part I rarely see anyone (on Ivan's server) using incorrect markings. Some exceptions to this, but it gets along. But most of all the plane types keep friendly fire to a minimum.

- Finally, icons are actually more realistic than no
- icons. The reason is the lack of resolution, image
- size, and viewing angle (which relates to zoom
- actually) on a PC monitor. Icons help to over come
- that. Much like PL helps to overcome the fixed
- position head (a bit) and it's awkward, un-intuitive
- control interface.

I doubt in WW2 that there was a magic hovering text over airplanes that stated their ID, side, plane type and range. Sure you don't get the same field of vision as you might in real life, but icons are hardly the answer. You can make a good range judgement from the gunsight by the size of your target, and at that point you can usually tell what kind of airplane it is. In a externals off, icons off environment, you have to work harder and smarter than you would with them on. Most of all IMO it encourages team work, since you get two pairs of eyes looking for bandits rather than just one.

- Freedom dammit! You guys are all fascists!

Plenty of other servers that run the settings you like! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BTW, don't take this wrong, I learned how to play the damn game with externals on, no cockpit, icons, etc. but nowadays, I prefer the challenge of more difficult settings. Hence, difficult, not more realistic.

Play what you like. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:50 PM
Axis v allied and specific period, if I ever get online /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:55 PM
JorBR wrote:
- "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"


Very true.





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Hawgdog
09-09-2003, 11:03 PM
I prefer the axis vs. allies idea. I'm just learning to really ID the planes well and like that realism

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:06 PM
Korolov wrote:
- Plenty of different planes to try on one side or the
- other. Tired of flying a Yak-3? Trade it in for a
- IL-2. P-47 giving you fits? Go for a P-39. Fw-190
- getting on your nerves? Trade it in for a 109. I
- don't see what the problem is. There are many people
- willing to even out the teams even if you aren't.

Well, for me, there are only 4 plane types I can use on "red", P-47, P-39, P-40, and Hurricane. The latter 2 are gernally too slow for me to do anything more than get frustrated and shot down in. lol

Yes, aside from a mild dark curiosity, I refuse to fly soviet planes.

Hey, don't give me that weird look, you don't like 190s and Jugs working together. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

In all honesty, the ideal side for me would be all US planes, all UK planes, and all German planes. I just suggest totally open so as to not leave anyone out. As for opposing sides, really, I don't care *too* much about what I'm shooting at, or I wouldn't play red on Ivans server. lol /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


- Ivan has friendly icons on for the people who run
- low settings on slow systems. If it weren't for
- that, he'd turn them off (because I constantly nag
- him about it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif ).
-
- You can put any markings on any plane, but for the
- most part I rarely see anyone (on Ivan's server)
- using incorrect markings. Some exceptions to this,
- but it gets along. But most of all the plane types
- keep friendly fire to a minimum.

The host can require that, and kick people who don't listen. I for one use US markings on US planes, and LW markings on LW planes. Only time I switch is when I have the HK enabled and I feel "dirty". The Yak3 looks cool in historical latewar German markings for some reason. lol

Speaking of which. You always spot them before I do. How do you do it? What settings are you running at? I'm at 10x7x32 with most things at medium or normal except clouds which are at detailed. I'm wondering if it's a settings tweak.


- I doubt in WW2 that there was a magic hovering text
- over airplanes that stated their ID, side, plane
- type and range. Sure you don't get the same field of
- vision as you might in real life, but icons are
- hardly the answer. You can make a good range
- judgement from the gunsight by the size of your
- target, and at that point you can usually tell what
- kind of airplane it is. In a externals off, icons
- off environment, you have to work harder and smarter
- than you would with them on. Most of all IMO it
- encourages team work, since you get two pairs of
- eyes looking for bandits rather than just one.

Well, I said "more" realistic. Not "the perfect solution". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There are limitations to this interface (the PC), I feel that any game that calls itself a simulation should strive to simulate reality as closely as it's interface will allow. And where it's interface comes up short, work arounds should be implemented. Which is what I see icons and PL as.

I doubt pilots had red text in the lower left of their FOV telling them speed and alt, or red/white/blue text in the upper left of their FOV giving them status reports, and friendly as well as enemy chatter. Or that they had a qwerty keyboard to partake in that chatter, or that the opposing sides spoke the same language and communicated on the same channel. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


-- Freedom dammit! You guys are all fascists!
-
- Plenty of other servers that run the settings you
- like! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Not really. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Open pit + externals + PL, or closed pit + no ext + no PL, or closed pit + externals + no PL.... plane sets missing the Jug, limted plane sets, etc.

Plus it's better having someone to work with. In Jug especially. And you play on Ivans. lol Also, the chatter makes it more open and give is less of a solitary experience feel.

So, in a sense, I don't have anywhere else to go. Given how stable my system is, I don't think we need to bring up hosting my own. lol


- BTW, don't take this wrong, I learned how to play
- the damn game with externals on, no cockpit, icons,
- etc. but nowadays, I prefer the challenge of more
- difficult settings. Hence, difficult, not more
- realistic.

I never did no pit, too arcady for me, and too disorienting as well.

I enjoy externals myself. Lets you check out skins, watch battles, and pass the time on long flights. But.....being a newly converted Jug Jock, I find that no externals has saved me at least twice so far. If only it could be set up for externals on the ground only, and no commo possible while in externals.....


- Play what you like. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

You and those other factors won't let me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif lol

Hawgdog
09-09-2003, 11:07 PM
Cant rule out the early Il2's, they fought quite well online DF maps

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:10 PM
BpGemini wrote:
-
- JorBR wrote:
-- "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"
-
-
- Very true.


Yes, it should be german pilots motto against T&B with soviet planes /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:35 PM
BlitzPig_DDT wrote:
- Well, for me, there are only 4 plane types I can use
- on "red", P-47, P-39, P-40, and Hurricane. The
- latter 2 are gernally too slow for me to do anything
- more than get frustrated and shot down in. lol
-

The latter two don't fit into 1945 planesets very well. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

- Yes, aside from a mild dark curiosity, I refuse to
- fly soviet planes.
-
- Hey, don't give me that weird look, you don't like
- 190s and Jugs working together.
-

I don't fly the soviet planes much either. I get splinters in my arse. Wooden wonders...

But c'mon, that sturmovik rules! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

- In all honesty, the ideal side for me would be all
- US planes, all UK planes, and all German planes. I
- just suggest totally open so as to not leave anyone
- out. As for opposing sides, really, I don't care
- *too* much about what I'm shooting at, or I wouldn't
- play red on Ivans server. lol

Bug Ivan about it then... You'll either make him change his mind or he'll say "You is wrong." /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

- Speaking of which. You always spot them before I do.
- How do you do it? What settings are you running at?
- I'm at 10x7x32 with most things at medium or normal
- except clouds which are at detailed. I'm wondering
- if it's a settings tweak.

Sharp eyes? Seriously... You prefer to play with icons on, right? I prefer to play with icons & externals off, and as a result thats where experience comes in. It's all about looking everywhere, everyplace, all the time. Change zoom distances to see what you might be missing and so on.

- I doubt pilots had red text in the lower left of
- their FOV telling them speed and alt, or
- red/white/blue text in the upper left of their FOV
- giving them status reports, and friendly as well as
- enemy chatter. Or that they had a qwerty keyboard to
- partake in that chatter, or that the opposing sides
- spoke the same language and communicated on the same
- channel.

Ivan won't turn the speedbar off either. Bastige. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
They saluted to each other and looked at each other - close enough! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

- Not really.
-
- Open pit + externals + PL, or closed pit + no ext +
- no PL, or closed pit + externals + no PL.... plane
- sets missing the Jug, limted plane sets, etc.
-
- Plus it's better having someone to work with. In Jug
- especially. And you play on Ivans. lol Also, the
- chatter makes it more open and give is less of a
- solitary experience feel.
-
- So, in a sense, I don't have anywhere else to go.
- Given how stable my system is, I don't think we need
- to bring up hosting my own. lol

So, where is the middle ground? Friendly icons on, externals off, unlimited planes? Again, you can ask Ivan, he might give in. Generally if I want to play different settings (and sometimes I do) I host a coop. But this hurts Ivan's feelings...

- I enjoy externals myself. Lets you check out skins,
- watch battles, and pass the time on long flights.
- But.....being a newly converted Jug Jock, I find
- that no externals has saved me at least twice so
- far. If only it could be set up for externals on the
- ground only, and no commo possible while in
- externals.....

With externals on, being a successful Jug pilot is very difficult. Damn spy cams!

- You and those other factors won't let me.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:39 PM
I`m not turning speedbar off because of trackIR that i use.. just being fair /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Going home, server should be up in 1 hr or so.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:41 PM
Equal plane sets on red and blue.It is easier to keep sides even that way .

adlabs6
09-09-2003, 11:55 PM
I like the ID'ing part of allied/axis servers. But, in reality sides often become uneven, and fans of a particular plane simply won't switch sides (Sometimes myself included! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

Since we're not really waring or advancing a frontline on most non-scripted DF servers, mixed plane sets might be a good choice.

Still, there are folks that won't want to fly on servers with mixed sets, and it's a shame to miss out on a good fight over such an issue.

I don't know. Do what you like, or better yet, what the most frequent flyers on your server like. At least most people who are actually flying there will be happy.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 12:01 AM
Cherry

**cough** three teams


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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 12:28 AM
Just to clarify, My conception of a FFA has only 1 side, 1 color. Whatever the plane set and era you want to use, when you spawn in, typically air start, everyone is a target and everyone see's you the same way. That's an FFA and it's a riot.

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