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LuckyBoy1
09-05-2004, 10:18 AM
I fly cover and nothing but cover even though every now and then it would be nice to fly JABO. Why don't I fly JABO? Well the hard truth is that JABO squads don't get the enormous respect they deserve. I'm sure I'll hear back folks who talk about how pure and good they are about supporting the JABO squad, but I know better. Not only do cover pilots treat JABO squads as expendable targets for the enemy to use up their ammo on, coop creators time and time again think that an "even plane set" has 8 Allied JABOS and 8 cover planes vs. 16 enemy fighters and that just doesn't pass the stink test! After all, the JABO squad is not exactly flying the sports car of the air and they get shot to bits by AAA and quite often have their aerodynamics messed up by rocket racks and having to lug bombs and quite often the extra fuel to get the job done.

I'm now spending alot of time flying direct connect missions outside of the normal HyperLobby etc. thing with the HH squad and it has been a pure pleasure to support them in the air. These JABO guys get the job done and I'm havinf fun just supporting that like I never have with anything else in the past! Give the JABO guys some respect! After all, why did we go on the mission in the first place? It wasn't to win personal glory by shooting down enemy planes, it was to stop that enemy armor column; period!

What do yu guys think?

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LuckyBoy1
09-05-2004, 10:18 AM
I fly cover and nothing but cover even though every now and then it would be nice to fly JABO. Why don't I fly JABO? Well the hard truth is that JABO squads don't get the enormous respect they deserve. I'm sure I'll hear back folks who talk about how pure and good they are about supporting the JABO squad, but I know better. Not only do cover pilots treat JABO squads as expendable targets for the enemy to use up their ammo on, coop creators time and time again think that an "even plane set" has 8 Allied JABOS and 8 cover planes vs. 16 enemy fighters and that just doesn't pass the stink test! After all, the JABO squad is not exactly flying the sports car of the air and they get shot to bits by AAA and quite often have their aerodynamics messed up by rocket racks and having to lug bombs and quite often the extra fuel to get the job done.

I'm now spending alot of time flying direct connect missions outside of the normal HyperLobby etc. thing with the HH squad and it has been a pure pleasure to support them in the air. These JABO guys get the job done and I'm havinf fun just supporting that like I never have with anything else in the past! Give the JABO guys some respect! After all, why did we go on the mission in the first place? It wasn't to win personal glory by shooting down enemy planes, it was to stop that enemy armor column; period!

What do yu guys think?

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HH Quazi
09-05-2004, 10:32 AM
Well, being a member of HH and having you escort our JABO's has definitley allowed us to move the front lines in our favor at a little faster pace. I have never seen a player in this sim take on 6 to 8 enemy fighters and desimate them all. The funny thing is, you don't let running out of ammo stop you from keeping those guys off of our backs. 109's, 190's, 262's, it doesn't matter. You continue to bug them and keep them busy chasing you around while the JABO's take care of the tanks and artillery positions. I am honored to have you along. BTW, if I haven't told you yet, my fighter skills are improving exponentially just being able to follow you as a wingman from time to time, when the JABO's are full. Don't get the ego going on here when I say this now. But I want to tell the community, you have to be the best virtual fighter pilot to ever sit in a P-51 m8. Thanks Capt. LuckyBoy. The HellHounds are a well rounded squad with you escorting us on our missions. S!

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JG7_Rall
09-05-2004, 10:41 AM
I totally agree. Fighter pilots tend to get the glamor and attention, but it's been said before-bomber pilots (and JABO pilots!) win wars.

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LuckyBoy1
09-05-2004, 11:00 AM
And with all the trash talked about "full real" isn't it a bit hypocritical and maybe a bit more than just a bit to have such a poor attitude about JABO squads and how the game should be handled?

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JG52Uther
09-05-2004, 11:05 AM
Well,i've just put together a coop for the squad.they don't know it yet but they have to fly FW190 F8 JABO's against tanks and a welcoming commitee of P51's and P47's

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[This message was edited by JG52Uther on Sun September 05 2004 at 10:14 AM.]

HH Quazi
09-05-2004, 11:06 AM
That's just it. Most don't fly to the seriousness of the sim and the background and history of WWII. They just want to have fun and muck the JABO's. And I guess, if that is what they want to do, it's their business and their game. But, if you are going to stay true to the history of the tasks of each flight, then escorts in this sim would dedicate their efforts in making sure the bombers at least have a chance to drop their load. And if it is JABO's, after they drop their ordinance, they can at least defend themselves a bit better. But if you are escorting B-17's, it should be all the way to target and back. Just my opinion m8's.

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JG52Uther
09-05-2004, 11:11 AM
No Quazi you misunderstand my post.i love flying JABO missions and dont do it for a laugh,i do it because it is more accurate than hooning around in a fighter all the time

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Copperhead310th
09-05-2004, 01:03 PM
Well it takes a litle skill to fly those types of missions. As a P-47 squadron we know this all too well. And to try to fly them with only 1 or 2 pilots is pointless. 4 to 6 aircraft didicated to Ground Attack is perfect. and with our thunderbolts we can do as good of a job as the LW Jabo boys if not better and still defend ourselves fairly well. the true key to ground attck missions is corodanation. A well planned attack is the best kind. the flight leader should asses the combat situation apon arival to the designated target area. (both air and ground) and then make a evaluation on how best to proceed.
Wih us....if I or one of our flight leaders ariive on target with no enemy aircraft he'll decide f he want's to attck in force..(all 6 aircraft diving down on the taret in 2 second intervals) or to go in by pairs.
In either case we will use our P-47 exelent zoom climb to return to combat altitude and cover the remandier of the flight. once all 6 are up and the area has been checked we'll start this again if needed to mop up any remaining targets. In most instances 12- 500lb'ers and 6- 1000lb'ers is more than enough to do the job right in the 1st pass. then if needed and the AAA & flack are still in place it is generally up to the Flight leader if he wishes to engage those targets as well.

So key:
1- Plan you'er attack.
2- Attack from alt. (a diving attack is best)
3- Cover you own 6
4- repeat as needed.

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LuckyBoy1
09-05-2004, 03:36 PM
Very good points copperhead!

And one more thing. Believe it or not, it is not the job of the cover squad to shoot down the enemy planes. The best way to handle it is to have the very limited ammo of the straight-up fighters go into tiring out the enemy and let the JABO's use their massive guns to finish them off. That's how you kick @ss and take names on any map!

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HH Quazi
09-05-2004, 07:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG52Uther:
No Quazi you misunderstand my post.i love flying JABO missions and dont do it for a laugh,i do it because it is more accurate than hooning around in a fighter all the time

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v299/JG52Uther/FW.jpg Achtung Baby!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey Uther. That wasn't directed towards your post m8. We just happened to post at the same time. loll I posted that after reading Luckyboys post just above yours. Sorry for the confusion. I should have included his post in mine. S!

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ImpStarDuece
09-05-2004, 08:28 PM
Quazi, if you are flying against 6-8 enemies it is IMPOSSIBLE to decimate them. Why?

Decimate has a its root Deci (Latin for ten) and the word decimate means to literally kill one in ten.

AS reprisals for uprisings agains the Roman empire the Romans used to have the practice of killing every tenth male in any village, town or even city that supported the rebellion. Pretty harsh punishment.

So decimate means to kill on in ten. Sorry for the little history lesson. I dont know if your first language is English so im sorry for sounding all preachy and such. Its just that this word is one of the most commonly missued/abused words in the English language.

Yeah this is a little childish of me but im hiungover and feeling crabby.

Otherwise: flying JABO rocks. Im a Jug pilot and how else would i get my kicks?

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LuckyBoy1
09-05-2004, 08:54 PM
Well, by your definition, that's about what I try to do! I try to take a 1/10 off of every enemy plane and leave the killin' to the flying meat grinders and that's the JABO squad!

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HH Quazi
09-06-2004, 04:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Quazi, if you are flying against 6-8 enemies it is IMPOSSIBLE to decimate them. Why?

Decimate has a its root Deci (Latin for ten) and the word decimate means to literally kill one in ten.

AS reprisals for uprisings agains the Roman empire the Romans used to have the practice of killing every tenth male in any village, town or even city that supported the rebellion. Pretty harsh punishment.

So decimate means to kill on in ten. Sorry for the little history lesson. I dont know if your first language is English so im sorry for sounding all preachy and such. Its just that this word is one of the most commonly missued/abused words in the English language.

Yeah this is a little childish of me but im hiungover and feeling crabby.

Otherwise: flying JABO rocks. Im a Jug pilot and how else would i get my kicks?

ImpStarDuece,

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"There's no such thing as gravity, the earth sucks!"

"...war is nothing but the continuation of policy with other means."
- Carl von Clauswitz (1827)

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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p1ngu666
09-07-2004, 01:09 PM
the f8 is nice, got good speed

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AlexDavies
09-07-2004, 01:11 PM
hh, how did you you do that sig?

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LuckyBoy1
09-07-2004, 01:14 PM
Wow! HH_Quazi's ego is almost as large as yours!

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