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harold x
07-15-2004, 03:43 AM
does any one agree with me that the Yak series of fighters were the best russian ww2 fighter. Iam currently flying the yak1 and having alot of fun agaianst me109 f2&4

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harold x
07-15-2004, 03:43 AM
does any one agree with me that the Yak series of fighters were the best russian ww2 fighter. Iam currently flying the yak1 and having alot of fun agaianst me109 f2&4

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73GIAP_Milan
07-15-2004, 03:58 AM
be sure to use the 1B version or later, when you can get your hands on it.

The arnament on them is a bit limited to a cannon and a machinegun, but they fly absolutely good...

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Lazy312
07-15-2004, 05:40 AM
Yaks are very pleasant planes to fly but I would not call them best russian fighters.

Some of their drawbacks are:
-limited speed in a dive
-bad performance over 5000m
-limited ammo and not very powerful armament (except 9T, 9K, 9M versions)
-quite vulnerable engine (especially when attacking bombers)
-no ordonance for late types

wooden planes, iron men

jurinko
07-15-2004, 08:08 AM
the mortality of soviet pilots during WWII was highest in Hurricanes, I-16s and Yaks. Since the first two types were really obsolete and Yak was quite modern design, it says a lot.
Weak construction, weak armament, low ammo, low range, poor pilot protection, overheating engine, oil loss etc.
Yak-3/9U were fast and maneuvrable for dogfighting style of combat, but the most produced Yaks were Yak-9s - with 598kph max speed at 4600m in 1944 it is not the heartbreaker..
Any Yak could be outdived by enemies and they lacked high alt performance. But if you produce them enough, you can beat the enemy..

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-15-2004, 08:11 AM
harold must not have many hours in an La5fn or La7. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif



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carguy_
07-15-2004, 08:43 AM
Pre `44 Yaks are considered to be a mediocre threat.They`re great when team playing but then again which planes aren`t?

If you`re having fun,then get online,you will get different impressions.

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mortoma
07-15-2004, 09:02 AM
I hate Yaks, I'm an offline campaign flyer that has a tendency to fly careers in everything just about. I'll fly a career mission in a P-11C one minute, then in a Dora the next. But the plane I never seem to fly a career in these days is any type of Yak!!! I used to in the past but they just seem too vulnerable to fuel leaks with the slightest hits. And they are fuel leaks that only give you about four minutes of flying time remaining. If you are very far behind enemy lines and get one of those fuel leaks, you are done for, career over!!! I play "DiD" careers, so I find Yak careers to not last very long. I'd rather fly a Lagg-3-S4 in 1944 than a Yak-3 in 1941!! Yuck!!! Ughhh..........

gates123
07-15-2004, 10:41 AM
Yak-3P's are unstoppable! great for protecting ground targets and local air supremecy.

http://www.fightingcolors.com/custompagestuff/b17visibility72.jpg
Did anyone see that or was it just me?

p1ngu666
07-15-2004, 10:58 AM
to reclaim air supremisy online there is no better plane

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woofiedog
07-15-2004, 01:43 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gifI like the Mig Series better than the Yak's.
The Mig's have better Altitude Performance and can pick up Speed better.
Mig's also carry Rockets and Gun Pack's under the wings.
And there is nothing like a little Extra Ammo to Blast Away With! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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PBNA-Boosher
07-15-2004, 01:47 PM
I wouldn't say they are the best, but they're certainly formidable opponents. I love the Yaks more than any other Russian fighter. (not including lend-lease) When given the choice of all the Yaks to fly, I almost always will pick the Yak-1 or Yak-1b. They do very well in combat. Though I mostly pick them because that's what Lilya Litvyak flew.

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LW_lcarp
07-15-2004, 02:11 PM
this is all i have to say


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VW-IceFire
07-15-2004, 02:50 PM
Yeowch...he's dead. If it's a human pilot anyways.

Yak's are easy to damage but more difficult to bring down. After someone nails you a bit in the wings however, don't expect to have a good turn fight past that.

Early Yak-9's and Yak-1's are all slower than contemporaries and with average levels of armament. What they did have was farily robust construction and they could be built easily so that the Russians could flood the Luftwaffe with fighters. It worked...since the Yak was one of the most used fighters in their arsenal and its lack of quality was made up by its quantity. In the early years of the war, the VVS needed aircraft for its pilots...and this was the ticket. I don't mind flying it...its pretty good in its own right. But others are better.

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pudsterIV
07-15-2004, 03:02 PM
The yak is a peice of yak ****. Haha just kiddung, its not that bad. Still, one of my least favorite of the Bears fighters. To slow and unstable for my liking.

Atomic_Marten
07-15-2004, 03:30 PM
Yak-1(b) the only Yak's I like. Others are just fine but not for me. 3's are monsters. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

But if u like Yak-1 so much than take MiG-3UD like me. Awesome. They can't touch u (speed). But if they do you're toasted.

faustnik
07-15-2004, 03:39 PM
I'd agree that the Yaks were the top Soviet fighters. It was the Yak-1 that was the first Soviet a/c to test LW pilots over Moscow. By 1943, the Yaks proved how versatile they were with the heavy cannon Yak-9T. By the end of the war the Yak-3 was a dominant low altitude fighter. The Yak-3 was a simple excellent design, built tough to operate from rough forward airbases.

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Cloyd
07-15-2004, 03:55 PM
I think the DM on the Yaks is a bit wanky.

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Sorry, I couldn't resist posting this old, original IL2 pic. Carry on.

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VFRVal
07-15-2004, 05:08 PM
Since the server is so slow here, I can only play against the AI and think the first 2 model Yaks do well against the Emil & Franz. All the Russian fighters seem to be easier to fly and don't need as much practice time to get to the same comfort level as you do in 109s or Ju87s. But I love them all, even the dogs. Now if they could make the Ju52 flyable.... Regards!

WWScout
07-15-2004, 07:13 PM
Hard to bring down. Great if they aren't hit. All around probably the best flying plane. Just depends on what you like. For me it's the Dora, but hey it's hard to bring down and flies like dookie if it's hit so.....Maybe Yaks are the best http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BennyMoore
07-15-2004, 09:48 PM
Don't forget the Yak's best feature - the amazing ability to always bring your nose up long enough for an extended burst at a zoom and boomer, no matter what your energy state!

Rammjaeger
02-07-2006, 12:41 PM
I once read that in 1942-43 more than 30% of all VVS fighters pressed into frontline service were Yak-1Bs. I also recall reading that the majority of all available VVS fighter aircraft throughout the war were Yaks.

Xiolablu3
02-07-2006, 01:17 PM
Yak 1 is about the only modern fighter the Soviets have vs the 109E and thos Italian planes (I forget my name is it IAR?) on the early war online maps.

The Lagg 3 : 4 series has good armament but as we are about to find out they have weight misisng (to be corrected in patch) so I am guessing we are in for a performance decrease in the Laggs.

Therefore the Yak 1 is probably the only real competetition vs 109E's and 109F2's.

On the early war online maps the Soviets can win from having good ground pounders who are escorted by decent fighter pilots in a mixture of Yak 1's and i16s. Good teamwork can beat the superior performance of the Emil and Italians.

D-Mentier
02-07-2006, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
this is all i have to say


http://img39.photobucket.com/albums/v120/lcarp/PinCushion.jpg

"If winning isnt everything why do they keep score"
Vince Lombardi </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is probably a noobish question,
but WTF is this?

danjama
02-07-2006, 01:25 PM
Why was this thread dragged up, its a well known fact that Yak's and La's are overmodelled.

Before anyone else says it in reply to me, to the original poster:

In this game they are, be sure!

danjama
02-07-2006, 01:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by D-Mentier:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
this is all i have to say


http://img39.photobucket.com/albums/v120/lcarp/PinCushion.jpg

"If winning isnt everything why do they keep score"
Vince Lombardi </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is probably a noobish question,
but WTF is this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is obviously Yak pilot porn...

TheGozr
02-07-2006, 01:48 PM
You should be able to fly in the "Normandie Niemen" server on Hyper Lobby and ASE

Yak's versus 109's and 190's stuka's etc..

alert_1
02-07-2006, 02:07 PM
Yak 1B/M was actually more maneuvrable then Yak3, but Yak3 was loved for better speed. With 656km/h max speed it was the fastest VVS fighter available in some numbers till La7 "late" arrived.

EPP_Gibbs
02-07-2006, 02:19 PM
Well, the Luftwaffe commanders thought the Yak 3 good enough at low altitude to issue an order to units to "avoid combat below 5000m with Yaks without a chin cooler"

When the French Normandie Niemen unit was offered the choice of any fighter the VVS had in service, including foreign imports, they chose Yak 3's. It was arguably the best lightweight fighter of WW2.

LeOs.K_Walstein
02-07-2006, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by D-Mentier:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
this is all i have to say


http://img39.photobucket.com/albums/v120/lcarp/PinCushion.jpg

"If winning isnt everything why do they keep score"
Vince Lombardi </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is probably a noobish question,
but WTF is this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a special mode of this sim where you can actually see the result of your firing. You can turn this mode on by going to configuration file (I don´t remember the specific name of that file. Anyhow it is a "Conf.ini" or something like that. There is a line which says "Archade mode = 0". Change the "0" to number "1" to change the game to "arcade mode". Later on you can freely change it back to original, the "normal mode".

I might remember the number wrong. It is possibly now "1" and if so, you simply change it to "0". Soon as you find the correct "conf.ini" file (which is not difficult), you will get the correct information there!

"Arcade mode" is very handy when practising shooting, aiming and deflection.

Have fun,
Wallstein

Kuna_
02-07-2006, 03:31 PM
conf.ini within main game folder:

[game]
Arcade=1

PBNA-Boosher
02-07-2006, 05:02 PM
I have always loved the Yak-1 series for its biting charm and handsomeness. It is also a beauty, and a hard puncher. The Yak-1 is a lightweight boxer in the ring with the heavyweights, but has a killer 1 punch KO.

mortoma
02-07-2006, 05:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BennyMoore:
Don't forget the Yak's best feature - the amazing ability to always bring your nose up long enough for an extended burst at a zoom and boomer, no matter what your energy state! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I can fly them well but I like even the 1st LA-5 better. Is far nicer that any yak, except Yak-3/3P and 9U/UP. and the intial LA-5 was mid-late 1942 plane!!

p1ngu666
02-07-2006, 06:39 PM
the LA series is overmodeled, espeicaly cos of the slats.

the yak3 is uber in some ways

the others arent that good anymore

LA7 completely outclasses yak9u, in everything but sexyness http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TheGozr
02-07-2006, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">p1ngu666 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You "is" wrong vs the yak9U


Aircraft Yak-9U VK -107A showed maximum speed in the combat mode in the earth - 600 km/h, at the height of 5600 m - 700 km/h. Last value was more than in Me -109G-2 to 80 km/h, Fw-190a-4 - to 102 km/h, Yak-9U VK -105PF2 - to 75 km/h, Yak-3 "understudy" - to 42 km/h and la -7 ASh -82FN (standard 1944 g.) - to 29 km/h.

Yak-9U VK -107A it enjoyed special popularity among the crew of 42 gv. of iap, 149 red banner of iap and other line units. Commanders it is regimental and the high command they said: "aircraft is good!". Did not forget to appear attention to it and our enemies. Straying himself and sat down in our territory German pilot stated: "our command gave the order: with the aircraft of the type "yak", which do not have the mast of antenna, into the battle not to enter ".

The famous phrase was for yak9U .

Commander and technical flight composition of regiment gave Yak-9U VK -107A outstanding flying and operational estimations. They, in particular, noted that the mastery of the aircraft of difficulties does not represent completely accessibly for the young pilots and the technicians of average qualification, it is earlier than worked on the aircraft "yak" with the engine M-105PF. In the technology of aircraft handling of special differences from its predecessors does not have. In air it is simple and steady in all flight conditions, it possesses grow prettier horizontal and, especially, by vertical maneuverability. On the landing it pardons the blunder: high levelling off, "coachboxes" and removal. It is exceptionally reliable and simple in the operation: preparation for the combat mission with the work mechanics motor mechanic occupies, including the preflight inspection, not more than 25... 30 min.
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Basicly for germans to ovoid the yak3 was quite easy they didnt just fly low but feared the 9U due to his unmatch versatility.

VW-IceFire
02-07-2006, 07:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alert_1:
Yak 1B/M was actually more maneuvrable then Yak3, but Yak3 was loved for better speed. With 656km/h max speed it was the fastest VVS fighter available in some numbers till La7 "late" arrived. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I thought the Yak-3 was behind the Yak-9U as well in terms of speed.

I prefer to fly the Yak-9U due to its better dive speed and slightly bigger ammo capacity. But the few times I have flown the Yak-3 it was an impressive experience. I once kept an entire base of blue fighters I stumbled on a bay and managed to evade them all and run for friendly territory.

Yak-3 at low altitude is a good combination of speed, concentrated firepower, and manueverability. Its the ultimate lightweight fighter of the VVS.

Badsight.
02-07-2006, 09:10 PM
it is faster IceFire , & when your over 3K the -9U is totally the better DFer . Yak-3 just turn a bit better
theGozr's account is wrong in one area - Yak-9U with the Vk-107 motor were never reliable . that motor never became a reliable motor till after WW2 when it got further development - also we have the normal power version - 1500 Hp . that motor reached 1650 Hp before WW2 ended
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
harold must not have many hours in an La5fn or La7. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>you dont even need them - id take a La-5 over a Yak-1b anyday !

but the Yaks used to be a lot different than they are now - they used to be even better : )

TheGozr
02-07-2006, 11:25 PM
In the experimental and first series Yak-9U VK -107A was the number of serious deficiencies, mainly, on the engine and VMG.
Basic engine defects THE VK -107A: oil throwing from the breather and the front packing of the hollow shaft of reducer; a drop in the oil pressure is lower than the permissible limit with the climb; shaking with the work under reduced conditions, and also with harvesting and dacha of gas; the off-nominal operation of the regulator of the pressure constancy of supercharging (RPD); the mass cases of failure of spark plugs, etc.
Basic defect VMG Yak-9U THE VK -107A: heating water and oil is higher than the tolerance level, established by technical specifications on the engine VK -107A, with the use of a combat mode (3200 r/min), and in the hot time of the year - and of nominal rating (3000 r/min).
In the level flight at the maximum speed even with the completely open shutters of water and of oil radiators at a temperature of surrounding air of +30 temperatures of water and oil they exceeded maximum permissible.
For the climb under the conditions of the most advantageous rate of climb periodically it was necessary to make "areas" for the purpose of oil cooling and water.
An increase in the rate of climb from 280 km/h (most advantageous) to 320 km/h, with which was ensured normal temperature conditions, it led to an increase in the time of climb of 5000 m on 0,91 min.
The presence of the defects indicated excluded the possibility of obtaining best flight performance, it did not make it possible to normally exploit aircraft in all regimes and at flight altitudes.
For purposes of the guarantee of operation Yak-9U VK -107A it was rekomendovano until the finishing VMG with the climb decrease the engine speed to 2800 r/min, while in the level flight to 3000 r/min, to increase the discovery the shutter of water radiator with 200 mm in flight line to 300 mm. in this case the speed of series Yak-9U VK -107A in comparison with the experimental aircraft decreased in the earth by 25 km/h and on the second full-throttle height - by 64 km/h, the time of climb of 5000 m increased on 0,9 min, the climb for the chandelle from the initial height of 1000 m decreased on 70... 120 m.
And later major portion of the defects of experimental and first production aircraft was removed on the production aircraft of the release of December of 1944.


tunnels of the radiators (Were established new water and oil radiators (respectively types 728 and 726) were increased the flow areas of the height of the tunnel of water radiator it was increased at the entrance to 300 mm and at the output to 100 mm), as a result of which temperature sharp VMG considerably it were improved also on all regimes of the work of engine, including the regime of combat power (3200 r/min), in effect it were located within the permissible limits. They became possible the collection of ceiling with the maximum rate of climb and level flight at the maximum speed without overheating of engine in the standard atmospheric conditions at the nominal power of engine with the position of shutters conduct oil radiators "along the flow".
Aerodynamics was substantially improved - the sealing partition (diaphragm) between the wing and the fuselage was changed, the locks of the retracted position of the shields of chassis were established, the thickness of the plywood covering of fuselage from 2 to 3 mm was increased, surface finishing of aircraft, etc., was improved.
Because of all this the maximum speed of series Yak-9U VK -107A of later releases under the conditions of combat power grew in the earth to 575 km/h and on 2-1 full-throttle height 5000 m - to 672 km/h, i.e., it approached the speeds, obtained in the prototype. Analogous improvements they were achieved also according to the remaining tactical flight characteristics.
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Badsight.

Please don't argue the yak9U with me,
Those documents are well known ofcourse there are others that will make your head spin.
Ofcourse we can elaborate and talk hours about other yak9's versions with 1850 HP's but that will stay with me.
THX

Badsight.
02-08-2006, 01:17 AM
your own post confirms the un-reliability of the Vk-107 motor

it didnt allow the pilot to get the max out of it without reduced engine life - the running issues were not resolved untill after the war was over

"make your head spin" . . . . . lol

& you cant deny that we dont have the 1650Hp version either - to find out which version our -9U is , look up the object Viewer - 1500 hp . you say 1850 - well that power output is a fantasy for 1945 , never got beyond 1650 Hp untill well after 1945

also check what they have put for "Disadvantages"

the Yak-9U in FB performs as it should -you constantly complain about it when nothing is actually wrong with it - it was never better than the Yak-3 at what the Yak-3 does best , & the Yak-3 cant compete with the -9U where the -9U performs best

alert_1
02-08-2006, 01:29 AM
Yak 9U has totally unreliable VK107A that couldnt be used at its max power rating, so practically Yak 3 was fastest RELIABLE fighter till "mature" La7s were available in numbers.

TheGozr
02-08-2006, 02:22 AM
It's quite easy to anderstand re-read what i say.. again, it is quite easy to see, i'm quite surprised because english is not my language and it seamce that you are miss anderstanding and also confused with the date of the end of the war.

It is not with the top speed or the climb rate mesurement that you can juge if the aircraft is or not a good fighter.
It is not totaly of teh performance of the aircraft that i complain but more the FM attach to it. This is something that you will probably never know but it is something that i know well.
Anyway i got my answer.

Badsight.
02-08-2006, 02:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGozr:
It's quite easy to anderstand re-read what i say.. again, it is quite easy to see, i'm quite surprised because english is not my language and it seamce that you are miss anderstanding and also confused with the date of the end of the war.

It is not with the top speed or the climb rate mesurement that you can juge if the aircraft is or not a good fighter.
It is not totaly of teh performance of the aircraft that i complain but more the FM attach to it. This is something that you will probably never know but it is something that i know well.
Anyway i got my answer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>you are too funny gozr

even the Real Life Yak-9U wasnt considered the better turning plane

you have been told the advantages of the Yak-9U over the Yak-3 in FB - use them instead of complaining about something it isnt supposed to be

Kuna_
02-08-2006, 03:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
you dont even need them - id take a La-5 over a Yak-1b anyday ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

LA-5 is superior in game over Yak-1B. Overall, mid-war LA series in game are generally better than contemporary Yak's. They are quite stable planes, like Bf-109s are. It can match the German planes in performance. Early Yak lacks speed, mid-war Yak lacks speed and a bit stability...
LA-7 vs. Yak-9U. I chose Yak-9U it actually can outperform most German late war planes at alt (not by a small margin). LA-7 unlike the popular belief, can not.

TheGozr
02-08-2006, 03:07 AM
Who's talking about turning ? who told me what ? I'm just correcting some miss beleives. But what i can tell you is that the yak 3 was and is a great plane for sure in RL but to say that the yak3 was superior of the U i have to desagree, also in RL the yak9U was more feared than the 3 or la 7 and it's very easy to anderstand why.
Anderstand well i'm not saying that the la7 or yak3 are bad , far from it. also teh yak9U is not an easy plane to fly.

In RL the FM of the yak9U is very different but Oleg is really trying to get things right whith what the sim engine can permit to do .

p1ngu666
02-08-2006, 07:11 AM
i remmber kocur saying that 9u, and 9 series should outturn yak3, better wingloading on the 9series, with the same wing pretty much (but bigger)

and gozr i was talking about ingame, not irl http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

mynameisroland
02-08-2006, 08:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGozr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">p1ngu666 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You "is" wrong vs the yak9U


Aircraft Yak-9U VK -107A showed maximum speed in the combat mode in the earth - 600 km/h, at the height of 5600 m - 700 km/h. Last value was more than in Me -109G-2 to 80 km/h, Fw-190a-4 - to 102 km/h, Yak-9U VK -105PF2 - to 75 km/h, Yak-3 "understudy" - to 42 km/h and la -7 ASh -82FN (standard 1944 g.) - to 29 km/h.

Yak-9U VK -107A it enjoyed special popularity among the crew of 42 gv. of iap, 149 red banner of iap and other line units. Commanders it is regimental and the high command they said: "aircraft is good!". Did not forget to appear attention to it and our enemies. Straying himself and sat down in our territory German pilot stated: "our command gave the order: with the aircraft of the type "yak", which do not have the mast of antenna, into the battle not to enter ".

The famous phrase was for yak9U .

Commander and technical flight composition of regiment gave Yak-9U VK -107A outstanding flying and operational estimations. They, in particular, noted that the mastery of the aircraft of difficulties does not represent completely accessibly for the young pilots and the technicians of average qualification, it is earlier than worked on the aircraft "yak" with the engine M-105PF. In the technology of aircraft handling of special differences from its predecessors does not have. In air it is simple and steady in all flight conditions, it possesses grow prettier horizontal and, especially, by vertical maneuverability. On the landing it pardons the blunder: high levelling off, "coachboxes" and removal. It is exceptionally reliable and simple in the operation: preparation for the combat mission with the work mechanics motor mechanic occupies, including the preflight inspection, not more than 25... 30 min.
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Basicly for germans to ovoid the yak3 was quite easy they didnt just fly low but feared the 9U due to his unmatch versatility. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Yep the Yak 9U could kick any 1941/42 Luftwaffe fighter in the pants. It would be better to place it in proper context and look at the Bf 109 G10/ K4 and Fw 190 D for comparison. All are more versatile and have a greater range of payload and performance attributes.

Vipez-
02-08-2006, 09:04 AM
Yak9U is simply the best soviet propellor-driven aircraft, anyone saying Yak3 is better is simply wrong, speed is life, and that is where Yak9U is so good .. LA-7 might be better below 3000 m, but once we go over that, Yak-9U simply is better.. Yak3 only advantage is slightly better climb rate below 2000m and better turning agility at lower speeds, but it is quite irrevelant if the pilot knows what he is doing..

And afaik, irl yak9Us did have another major problem, that was engine's exhaust gasses getting into the cockpit, and pilot had to use the oxygen mask constantly, if he did not want to pass out..

Yak9U is pretty much performing how in theory it should have performed in 1944/1945, but reliability problems and numbers made the Yak3 better plane..

IF the Yak9U would have been available as reliable planes as Yak3/Yak9s/LA-Xs, and in numbers in 1944, the war also would have probably ended in 1944.

And imho, its the only vvs-plane, that looks sexy and looks a truly fast plane... (Russian Mustang.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

TheGozr
02-08-2006, 10:55 AM
That it's true about the engine fumes, this is something that it's worrie you the first hours of flight it hapened to me on the first protos in 1993/94 so basicly you fly open cockpit and quite at higher altitude, The cockpit is becoming hot quickly wich is an good advantage during winter, so cruising high with open cockpit to cool off. secondary with this strong smell i was looking everywhere in the buttom cockpit where the gas tanks are to see if any leeks or crack was there but nothing i had that sensation to always have my feet deeped into the fuel but nothing was wrong that was the fumes aftersome getting use to it and some good throu up i was fine. since the problem was fixed from inside and out side cockpit insolation but always remain that smell and heat but while looping the fumes were coming back.

sickfish1985
02-08-2006, 12:16 PM
I suppose that Yak 9D with 50% fuel is equeal with Yak 1B.My favourite are the 7th series-both A,B&1942B. I feel that they are easier to handle than Yak 1(except the Yak 7B1942, man that plane is limited only to horizontal maneuvres) .It is interesting that those fighters were developed from originally 2 seat training version of that plane.
Now with 4.02m path all Yaks are up to cut in a half any nazi plane even with 20mm Shvak cannon.
What suprises me is how hard it is to shot down those wooden planes .YAKs service was about 300 flight hours, you should have mentioned it.Therefore,about 3-5 hits with MG151/20 into their relatively unarmored engine and fuel compartment are lethal.
Now when talking about speed and performance of YAKs, keep in mind that in 1941-late 1942 many Yaks 1m,1b,and 7s just as LaGGs flew with openned canopy, because pilots were afraid that in case of being shot down they wouldnt be able to parachute.Reason to this was probably not very reliable emergency opening of canopy.The result -loss of at least 50km/h.Please see
the second photo of L.Litvak on
http://www.airwar.ru/history/aces/ace2ww/pilots/litvak.html
Secondly, all 1941-1945 soviet planes were disabled with the quality of radio stations thay carried.Only stations on commanders of a pair/zveno could send and recieve commands.Wingmans were limited only to perform commands of their leaders.Now imagine that BF109 dives on a pair of Yaks. If a LW pilot is lucky, only wingman noticed messer.As a result - he can only jump between messer and Yak leader and take fire from messer on himself( as some VVS pilots did, read their memories) or do nothing and and lose a leader.
What we really miss in a game are situations similar to this one, when u just dive as LW experts did on VVS fighters in 1941-1943 and lately.

Regards.
P.S.:Looking up to reach 300 victories in a 109.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Lazy312
02-08-2006, 04:03 PM
"unarmored engine and fuel compartment"
True for almost every WW2 fighter.

"Now when talking about speed and performance of YAKs, keep in mind that in 1941-late 1942 many Yaks 1m,1b,and 7s just as LaGGs flew with openned canopy, because pilots were afraid that in case of being shot down they wouldnt be able to parachute.Reason to this was probably not very reliable emergency opening of canopy.The result -loss of at least 50km/h."
The difference when flying at top speed was about 20kph and it was neglectable in other situations.

AFAIK 9U had most of its probles solved at the end of 1944. Modified radiators and limited engine regimes were the most important changes (that's why our 9U cannot fly 600kph at sea level like unrestricted one could). It is true that engines were still short-lived (35 hours?) but there were other planes in WW2 with such a problems too. Most of newly introduced engines had great troubles (both DB605 and BMW801 for example), I see no reason for mentioning only 9U again and again..

tigertalon
02-08-2006, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
you dont even need them - id take a La-5 over a Yak-1b anyday ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

LA-5 is superior in game over Yak-1B. Overall, mid-war LA series in game are generally better than contemporary Yak's. They are quite stable planes, like Bf-109s are. It can match the German planes in performance. Early Yak lacks speed, mid-war Yak lacks speed and a bit stability...
LA-7 vs. Yak-9U. I chose Yak-9U it actually can outperform most German late war planes at alt (not by a small margin). LA-7 unlike the popular belief, can not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is not so black/white IMO. Yak series in general have better alt performance compared to La series, and considerably better terminal dive speed.

When you fly Yak/La team as it should be and as it was IRL (yaks flying high cover over Las), they are almost unstoppable. Whenever german fighters meet Yaks as high as 6k, they dive panicking, where Las are waiting for them.

La5/Yak1B, La5FN/Yak9M, La7/Yak9U being perfect teammates in this regard.

Ah, and btw, Yak9U was not called "der russische mustang" by Germans without a reason.

KrashanTopolova
02-08-2006, 04:38 PM
Yak-9u for me also...

fastest fighter on the allied side (approx 436 MPH) with an awesome climb rate, superb manouvreability, superb flight performance near stall speeds, and deadly armament...could handle an ME262 as good as the Tempest (Tempest had 20 victories over Me262)...

I think it was the 9U that had the large caliber tank buster cannon firing through the propellor spinner...accounts of ace pilots in the 9U needing only one round to finish a tank..

IMHO the only thing that needs getting accustomed to is the restricted pilot view through the small framed windscreen that holds the gun sight...this was overcome in the (slower) Yak 3.

Kuna_
02-08-2006, 05:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
It is not so black/white IMO. Yak series in general have better alt performance compared to La series, and considerably better terminal dive speed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't checked (I didn't have the right reason TBH), but I would like to see comparison chart between mid-war Yak and Lavochkin.

Comparison chart with
-RoC up to 7-8k
-max level speed at every 1000m up to 8k

Comparison (contemporary) planesets in game:
1942 -- Yak-1B/7B/9 vs. LA-5
1943 -- Yak-9D/T vs. LA-5F/FN
1944 -- Yak-3/9B/K/M vs. LA-7

Since it is enormous ammount of work (to extract actual data from current 402m) I will post data from IL-2 Wingman available at airwarfare.com so you may compare.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">LA-5 SL 550km/h, 6100m 616km/h. Climb to 5400m 6,6min.
------------------------------------------------
LA-5F SL 550km/h, 6500m 626km/h. Climb to 5500m 6,7min.
LA-5FN SL 580km/h, 6300m 641km/h. Climb to 5100m 5,3min.
------------------------------------------------
LA-7 SL 601km/h, 6100m 685km/h. Climb to 4800m 4,6min.</pre>

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">Yak-1B SL 531km/h. 4100m 599km/h. Climb to 3400 3,5min.
Yak-9 SL 516km/h. 4200m 599km/h. Climb to 3500m 3,7min.
------------------------------------------------
Yak-9D SL 537km/h. 3900m 598km/h. Climb to 3200 3,5min.
Yak-9T SL 534km/h. 4000m 599km/h. Climb to 3300m 3,5min.
------------------------------------------------
Yak-3 SL 567km/h. 4100m 651km/h. Climb to 3300m 2,6min.
Yak-9B SL 537kp/h. 3900m 598km/h. Climb to 3200m 3,5min.
Yak-9K SL 516km/h. 3900m 578km/h. Climb to 3300m 3,6min.
Yak-9M SL 518km/h. 3900m 573km/h. Climb to 3300m 3,6min.</pre>

RoC at alt is dubious here since we don't have actual chart. Also max allowed dive speed at alt. Anyway as it can be seen all contemporary mid-war Lavochkins are exceeding Yak performance and not by a small margin.

So taking into consideration these results, I don't know from what version you have posted your opinion TigerTalon. But it ain't FB experience.

Oh yes, and the king Yak-9U performance according to the same source:

Yak-9U SL 573km/h. 5000m 673km/h. Climb to 4200m 3,9min.

BfHeFwMe
02-08-2006, 10:10 PM
There's can be no doubt the Yak-9U was superior to the Yak-3, the 3's frame was clipped and trimmed especially in the wing's. This increased wingloading in a tradeoff to get more speed from the same engine. It's bogus that in game it can out handle and manouver even a Yak-9 42 model let alone the Yak-1 series. Out speed and accellerate, yes, but out manouver in a closed in fight, no way. Roll rate decreased along with loss of wing area, and what we see in game = Huh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Yak-9U was the superior plane, regardless of exactly when it came on line. Otherwise toss the Batplane and a few other real fantasy planes out.

Oh, and can anyone come up with a document showing this do not engage internet rumor? Bet you can't, never was one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Badsight.
02-08-2006, 10:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna_:
La-5 is superior in game over Yak-1B. Overall, mid-war LA series in game are generally better than contemporary Yak's. They are quite stable planes, like Bf-109s are. It can match the German planes in performance. Early Yak lacks speed, mid-war Yak lacks speed and a bit stability...
LA-7 vs. Yak-9U. I chose Yak-9U it actually can outperform most German late war planes at alt (not by a small margin). LA-7 unlike the popular belief, can not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>& this is the plain truth

apart from the -9U , which is awesome but also a 44 model - id take a La-5 or over the -1, -1b or any -9 , but especially so over the 42 Yaks

the La-5 is just fantastic for the VVS in 42

Emils versus Yak-1's is not an easy fight either . the -1 Yak is also awesome for 41, like the LaGG's you must respect their hitting power

GR142-Pipper
02-08-2006, 11:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by harold x:
does any one agree with me that the Yak series of fighters were the best russian ww2 fighter. Iam currently flying the yak1 and having alot of fun agaianst me109 f2&4

H </div></BLOCKQUOTE>They're my planes of preference.

GR142-Pipper

TheGozr
02-08-2006, 11:49 PM
Want to really have fun on yaks just come into "Normandie Niemen" yaks server lets have a blast there versus Axis. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GR142-Pipper
02-09-2006, 01:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGozr:
Want to really have fun on yaks just come into "Normandie Niemen" yaks server lets have a blast there versus Axis. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Gozr, do you have it running now?

GR142-Pipper

TheGozr
02-09-2006, 01:51 AM
Yes Pipper On HL and ASE always. Yak paradise..called "NormandieNiemen" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
3 maps in rotation right now 2 dogfights and a mission based map. I'm almost finish with another mission map 1945 and an next one too. ofcourse the axis planes are no wimps .

Ideas Pipp lets me know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/index.php?c=3

tigertalon
02-09-2006, 05:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
It is not so black/white IMO. Yak series in general have better alt performance compared to La series, and considerably better terminal dive speed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't checked (I didn't have the right reason TBH), but I would like to see comparison chart between mid-war Yak and Lavochkin.

Comparison chart with
-RoC up to 7-8k
-max level speed at every 1000m up to 8k

Comparison (contemporary) planesets in game:
1942 -- Yak-1B/7B/9 vs. LA-5
1943 -- Yak-9D/T vs. LA-5F/FN
1944 -- Yak-3/9B/K/M vs. LA-7

Since it is enormous ammount of work (to extract actual data from current 402m) I will post data from IL-2 Wingman available at airwarfare.com so you may compare.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">LA-5 SL 550km/h, 6100m 616km/h. Climb to 5400m 6,6min.
------------------------------------------------
LA-5F SL 550km/h, 6500m 626km/h. Climb to 5500m 6,7min.
LA-5FN SL 580km/h, 6300m 641km/h. Climb to 5100m 5,3min.
------------------------------------------------
LA-7 SL 601km/h, 6100m 685km/h. Climb to 4800m 4,6min.</pre>

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">Yak-1B SL 531km/h. 4100m 599km/h. Climb to 3400 3,5min.
Yak-9 SL 516km/h. 4200m 599km/h. Climb to 3500m 3,7min.
------------------------------------------------
Yak-9D SL 537km/h. 3900m 598km/h. Climb to 3200 3,5min.
Yak-9T SL 534km/h. 4000m 599km/h. Climb to 3300m 3,5min.
------------------------------------------------
Yak-3 SL 567km/h. 4100m 651km/h. Climb to 3300m 2,6min.
Yak-9B SL 537kp/h. 3900m 598km/h. Climb to 3200m 3,5min.
Yak-9K SL 516km/h. 3900m 578km/h. Climb to 3300m 3,6min.
Yak-9M SL 518km/h. 3900m 573km/h. Climb to 3300m 3,6min.</pre>

RoC at alt is dubious here since we don't have actual chart. Also max allowed dive speed at alt. Anyway as it can be seen all contemporary mid-war Lavochkins are exceeding Yak performance and not by a small margin.

So taking into consideration these results, I don't know from what version you have posted your opinion TigerTalon. But it ain't FB experience.

Oh yes, and the king Yak-9U performance according to the same source:

Yak-9U SL 573km/h. 5000m 673km/h. Climb to 4200m 3,9min. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, my post is based exclusively on my feeling with version 4.02, and on what I have read. I have no sources to back this up, but I am d@mn sure I will take Yak1B,9M,9U over Las above 5k without any thinking. Yaks definitely are better alt performers than Las (which are indeed -by far- better below 4k - in climb and maneouverability). Ash-82 (F, FN) is so desperately breathless above 5k, that virtualy anything can outclimb it with ease. Not so with yaks.

Problem is than far to little combat is happening at alts of 5k+ for this difference to be more obvious.

Whenever I fly Luftwaffe, I fear yak more. It can follow you in two areas where Las can't: dive and all-alt climb,

Unknown-Pilot
02-09-2006, 07:13 AM
Offline the 3 and 9U stand up to a ridiculous amount of punishment. The constant explosions for cannon hits showing that the rounds are not missing. The 190D9 has to hang onto and punish those Yaks for minutes before they finally decide to go down. And more often from a PK than anything else.

First Iron LaGGs, and now Iron Yaks.

Deltawood and all that, B(e)S(ure). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Lazy312
02-09-2006, 07:14 AM
Yak-1B and La-5:
sustained speed: La-5 better at all heights, much better over 4500m (40 kph difference)
top speed: La-5 better at 0-3500m and over 5500m, Yak better at 3500-5500m

Yak-9M:
this plane sucks. worse than Yak-1B.

Yak-9U and La-7:
Yak faster at 3000-6000m
La faster at 0-3000m
over 6000m they are about equal

Kocur_
02-09-2006, 08:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
Deltawood and all that, B(e)S(ure). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to mention that the only place, where deltawood could be used was wingspars and ribs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The skin was regular bakelised plywood... Btw: Yakovlev writes, that deltawood didnt offer anything that simple pinewood couldnt...

Also CURRENT YAKS ALL HAVE INFALMMABLE FUEL TANKS!

TheGozr
02-09-2006, 12:31 PM
Well well so with the release of the 4.03m i would like the hear your impression on the new yak fm of less sensitives serie..

Baron_74
02-09-2006, 03:32 PM
Il2 Compare for comparisons....

ftp://80.86.240.133/Games/SHTURMOVIK/Book_Device/il2compare_v24n.rar

TheGozr
02-09-2006, 06:23 PM
dead link

GR142-Pipper
02-09-2006, 09:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGozr:
Yes Pipper On HL and ASE always. Yak paradise..called "NormandieNiemen" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
3 maps in rotation right now 2 dogfights and a mission based map. I'm almost finish with another mission map 1945 and an next one too. ofcourse the axis planes are no wimps .

Ideas Pipp lets me know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/index.php?c=3 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Great Gozr. I'll stop by.

GR142-Pipper