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AirBot
07-14-2004, 03:01 AM
I've come into possession of the following images through my contact in the CIA. (Disclaimer - not actually obtained from a CIA contact.) I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on these:

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/9546/1933.jpg
http://img45.exs.cx/img45/2848/1935.jpg
http://img45.exs.cx/img45/3215/1936.jpg
http://img45.exs.cx/img45/3299/1937.jpg

What does everyone think? Is it a Photoshop? Is it a new Hollywood movie? Is it proof the truth is really out there?
Most importantly, I'd like to know how to prove these pics are really fake. For example: I think I've seem the carrier shot from the 2nd photo before (obviously without the super-secret spy plane, of course), but I can't seem to be able to find the original photo. Can anyone locate it?

AirBot
07-14-2004, 03:01 AM
I've come into possession of the following images through my contact in the CIA. (Disclaimer - not actually obtained from a CIA contact.) I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on these:

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/9546/1933.jpg
http://img45.exs.cx/img45/2848/1935.jpg
http://img45.exs.cx/img45/3215/1936.jpg
http://img45.exs.cx/img45/3299/1937.jpg

What does everyone think? Is it a Photoshop? Is it a new Hollywood movie? Is it proof the truth is really out there?
Most importantly, I'd like to know how to prove these pics are really fake. For example: I think I've seem the carrier shot from the 2nd photo before (obviously without the super-secret spy plane, of course), but I can't seem to be able to find the original photo. Can anyone locate it?

hughlb2
07-14-2004, 03:08 AM
Nice Pics, its for a new movie called "Stealth" - directed by Rob Cohen, its being released next year, here's a link.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382992/

here's another link about shooting on the carrier USS Carl Vinson

http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=11862

AirBot
07-14-2004, 03:27 AM
Great! Thanks hugh!

BenvZijl
07-14-2004, 03:45 AM
anyway i like the plane design

AWL_Spinner
07-14-2004, 03:50 AM
As far as made-up-planes go, Firefox looked cooler!

Cheers, Spinner

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hughlb2
07-14-2004, 03:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AWL_Spinner:
As far as made-up-planes go, Firefox looked cooler!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't agree more and the film had such a great buildup, it was really satisfying to see Clunk take off in that machine after all the effort it took to get to it.

I have serious doubts about this new film, like I do with all new Hollywood "blockbusters". Lets hope it has some sort of story, unfortunatly with Cohen at the helm I doubt ithttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

HuninMunin
07-14-2004, 03:58 AM
The storyline is stolen from the novel "Goliath".
Its about the same thing, but with a secret submarine.

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Cajun76
07-14-2004, 04:04 AM
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/switchblade1.jpg
http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/switchblade.shtml

Perhaps it's not so far-fetched as it seems.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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BenvZijl
07-14-2004, 04:07 AM
lol nice design, to bad it's a fake

hughlb2
07-14-2004, 04:29 AM
I guess you all know about the Boeing "Bird of Prey" but if you don't, take a look at it and download the movie - link below

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/q4/nr_021018m.html

lil_labbit
07-14-2004, 04:37 AM
That's a mean-looking jet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif it just must fly good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Looks far better than that JSF ugly-duckling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Fennec_P
07-14-2004, 04:51 AM
JSF ugly? What could be cooler than a F-22, F-16, and a blowdryer all rolled into one?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/x-35-pics.htm

WUAF_Badsight
07-14-2004, 05:59 AM
after a 5 second google . . . . i got to see the FireFox again

man i remember being like 7 or 8 years old when that movie was released

quite a cool plane design for the middle eighties !

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/clippa-firefox2.jpg

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/clippa-firefox1.jpg

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KIMURA
07-14-2004, 06:10 AM
¤hhmm. the low-vis national isignia is upside down (star is pointing away from leadign wing edge) and placed on the wrong wing - right instead of the left wing.

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/9546/1933.jpg

Kimura

tfu_iain1
07-14-2004, 06:37 AM
if you look at the design they use, that wing changes position.. at its fully extended position the star would face the correct direction. so the film makers paid particular attention to that detail... tho i will accept its on the wrong side, unless that photo has been mirrored to switch it to a left-right composition, which is generally more pleasing to the eye (suggested direction of movement of that plane that is)

BBB_Hyperion
07-14-2004, 06:39 AM
As you say it Badsight here a link .)

http://thinkinrussian.org/flightsim.cfm

High Ground is not only more agreeable and salubrious, but more convenient from a military point of view; low ground is not only damp and unhealthy, but also disadvantageous for fighting.

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hughlb2
07-14-2004, 06:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
¤hhmm. the low-vis national isignia is upside down (star is pointing away from leadign wing edge) and placed on the wrong wing - right instead of the left wing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, its just the angle your looking at it from, like with a mirrorhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Trust them to get one of the simplest things wrong - on the wrong side, hehe, how much are these guys getting paid? and how often has Hollywood made small but obvious mistakes like this - too many times to count! You could be right tfu_iain1 about them changing sides to "please the eye", nothing quite like a bit of artistic license to make audiences happyhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

For Badsight - Link to an excellent Firefox site. - oops too late, ahh well, two posts are better than onehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

http://thinkinrussian.org/about.cfm

[This message was edited by hughlb2 on Wed July 14 2004 at 05:50 AM.]

[This message was edited by hughlb2 on Wed July 14 2004 at 05:52 AM.]

horseback
07-14-2004, 08:09 AM
There may be legal reasons for the 'obvious' errors-just as modern movies featuring characters as current US military personnel in uniform have obvious errors in those uniforms to avoid federal penalties, it may be that there is a requirement that aircraft (even non-flying movie mockups) not wear authentic current military markings.

Still, I agree that it grates...

cheers

horseback

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T_O_A_D
07-14-2004, 08:18 AM
No tail hook! wasn't that obvious http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Look how low the wings would be if extended. It would be crazy to land on a carrier I would think.

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tfu_iain1
07-14-2004, 08:44 AM
by changing the sides by mirroring i mean it literally- the model may well have been built correctly by the set designers, prop designers, but for that publicity photo someone in marketing or a PR agency or AD agency or a graphic artist or whoever could have simply mirrored the image, not realising the world shaking significance of their actions, meaning the film makers got it right. or maybe they thought 'people anal retentive enough to care probably wont bother to watch the film anyway'

lil_labbit
07-14-2004, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
¤hhmm. the low-vis national isignia is upside down (star is pointing away from leadign wing edge) and placed on the wrong wing - right instead of the left wing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, its just the angle your looking at it from, like with a mirrorhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Trust them to get one of the simplest things wrong - on the wrong side, hehe, how much are these guys getting paid? and how often has Hollywood made small but obvious mistakes like this - too many times to count! You could be right tfu_iain1 about them changing sides to "please the eye", nothing quite like a bit of artistic license to make audiences happyhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

For Badsight - Link to an excellent Firefox site. - oops too late, ahh well, two posts are better than onehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

http://thinkinrussian.org/about.cfm

[This message was edited by hughlb2 on Wed July 14 2004 at 05:50 AM.]

[This message was edited by hughlb2 on Wed July 14 2004 at 05:52 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's another one (there are two) for X-Plane :
http://www.x-plane.org/Detailed/5384.shtml

http://members.home.nl/lil.labbit/lilseesya.jpg
Night is better than Day

hughlb2
07-14-2004, 09:04 AM
Yes, your correct tfu_iain1. They certainly don't aim this film at IL2 forum members, we would tear it to bits if they did - "the FM is overmodelled", "its landing velocity is too high to operate off a carrier" etc.

Yep, like most biggish-budget films these days, it will probably be aimed at a younger audience and generally people who want VFX and an "experience". Although, I'm jumping to conclusions, I don't really know much about it so I shouldnt comment. But if I wanted to make money off an action film, thats the audience I would target.

I better shut myself up now, i'm going way OT, sorry Ivan

[This message was edited by hughlb2 on Wed July 14 2004 at 10:15 AM.]

Snow_Wolf_
07-14-2004, 11:43 AM
http://www.aeronautics.ru/sukhoi/s37029.jpg

http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~jtsiekki/mono2.gif
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Mispunt
07-14-2004, 11:54 AM
What really could have been on that flightdeck instead...


http://www.habu2.net/a12/images/a12_2.jpg

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Mispunt-MisSig.jpg

WUAF_Badsight
07-14-2004, 11:25 PM
ok what experimental is that one Mispunt ?

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hughlb2
07-15-2004, 12:22 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
ok what experimental is that one Mispunt ?QUOTE]

Isn't that the A12, I think thats what its called. It was a triangular shaped aircraft to replace the A-10 but its project was cancelled.

Mispunt
07-15-2004, 01:49 AM
It's indeed the A12 Avenger II, it was supposed to replace the A6 intruder and become the US Navy's prime carrier based attack aircraft.

Some info here: http://www.habu2.net/a12/avenger2.htm

http://www.habu2.net/a12/images/a12_a04.jpg

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Mispunt-MisSig.jpg

KaiserB_uk
07-15-2004, 06:34 AM
No use of mirrors on those photos - you can tell from the angle of the 'runway' (the big white lines) that the photo has not been reversed.

darkhorizon11
07-15-2004, 09:49 AM
Yeah the nickname for it was the flying dorrito, no joke there. It was really unnecessary though. Besides stealth its performance was nothing extraordinary and with todays jamming technology theres nothing it can do that a Super Hornet can't.

Cajun76
07-15-2004, 03:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KaiserB_uk:
No use of mirrors on those photos - you can tell from the angle of the 'runway' (the big white lines) that the photo has not been reversed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No mirrors. They were talking about mirrored pics, like my sig. I to like the plane to go from left to right. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Notice the probe on the wingtip appears to move to the opposite wing.

Original

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/p47n.jpg


and

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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RAF74Leadfinger
07-15-2004, 04:32 PM
My observations:

There's almost nothing stealthy about that plane (the one in the first post).

There's nothing stealthy about Firefox either, nor is it even close to shaped properly to be a supersonic aircraft. (I.e. it doesn't follow the area rule.) But Firefox is cool though. I recall watching it as a kid too.

Snow_Wolf: Nice pic of the S-37!

darkhorizon: You may or may not be right about the A-12 vs. the Super Hornet, but all else being equal, given the choice between survivability due to not being detected and due to good jamming equipment, the better choice is obvious.

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BS87
07-15-2004, 04:33 PM
Noone noticed the Film Camera in the first picture http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif