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rlmergeuser
12-13-2011, 02:39 AM
If Ubisoft does anything to my sweet sweet trials, ill take their first born child!
I will.

Chicago__AJ
12-13-2011, 02:55 AM
Umm... Alright?

Game already looks like kinda messed up. Bikes come to a complete stop half the time they hit the ground.

Retribution
12-13-2011, 03:30 AM
Game already looks like kinda messed up. Bikes come to a complete stop half the time they hit the ground.

Could be one of the reasons why Evo is delayed. If thats the case, im more than happy with it. Got a good feelin RL knows how much we invest in trials so theyre goin to tune it to perfection...hopefully.

After watchin Murdoc's Evo feed, the bike handling after landing was one of my biggest concern, as well as spring and switch jumps remaining intact.

Chicago__AJ
12-13-2011, 04:34 AM
Yea, Slinky and I were messaging back and forth the other day talking about how bad the landings and stuff looked. If it's going to be like that in the game, I will definitely just get all the achievements and go back to HD.

sipe
12-13-2011, 09:43 AM
It's problematic to let people play early version of the game, especially physics sensitive games like Trials. People will ragequit before release if it doesn't feel perfect.

Still we decided to do so even though we knew that physics and lots of other stuff needs to be improved before release.

We are in good shape, trust me http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif

eH reH eH reH
12-13-2011, 10:08 AM
Umm... Alright?

Game already looks like kinda messed up. Bikes come to a complete stop half the time they hit the ground.
From my experience I'd say it was mostly the fender catching the front tire which has already been fixed. I wouldn't worry I'm sure it will be even better than HD after we have all had some practice.

FatShady Live
12-13-2011, 10:15 AM
We are in good shape, trust me http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif

2011 good shape or 2012 good shape?

Chicago__AJ
12-13-2011, 10:29 AM
I bet RL pushes it a day back every time someone asks or hints at when the release date might be. I was a year late to HD and sure, there's not much more I can do, I want to play Evo, but I'm also patient.

Just like every other game whether you know the release date or not, you'll still have to wait for it. If they told you a date you didn't like, then you'd complain about it not coming out sooner and whine about it.

That was in no way directed at you, FatShady. I'm just sick of people asking. Just ******g wait.

sebastianaalton
12-13-2011, 11:39 AM
Game already looks like kinda messed up. Bikes come to a complete stop half the time they hit the ground.
You should have seen Trials HD bike physics a month before the release... The bike felt like it was taken from the flintstones, the suspension was basically nonexistent. The current Trials Evolution bike physics are so much better in every way than the physics in the 6 month old version of the game that was shown to public. The 6 months old version also had completely unpolished tracks (basically no background decorations and no dynamic physics interaction). Graphics in general has received a massive face lift and the frame rate is now solid 60 fps all the way (old version had many hiccups).

Everyone in the Trials team agrees with you that the 6 month old bike physics was total crap. But assuming that we couldn't fix it during the 6 months shows pretty little respect towards the team (fixing it actually took just a week or two).

Chicago__AJ
12-13-2011, 12:10 PM
Do the gray cars shown in the water level still look like boxes with windows?

And if the bike physics were such a minor, easily resolved issue, why weren't they one of the things polished up and fixed before the public showing? That's probably the biggest part of the game, even if you left out all background, textures and graphics I'm 100% sure people would still buy it. I don't understand the reasoning behind that.

Willyums
12-13-2011, 12:17 PM
thats comforting and exciting to hear sebbbi http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif


I want to play Evo, but I'm also patient.
im the same way. it seems like most people on here are thinking of nothing but the next game but ive kept evo at the back of my mind and its staying there until we get a date set.
people are getting so annoyed with no news, vids etc. and its not frustrating me at all. and these hundreds of posts wont make it come any quicker.

CagBall
12-13-2011, 01:47 PM
I totally agree. I'm honestly not bothered when it's released either. I want it to be right before it gets released. Hell, I'm still not done with HD yet. I started playing waaay later than everyone else (apart from Kevin who's obviously way better than me) so I still have lots of tournys to pat and faults to take off. The main obstacle stopping me at the mo is MW3.

rlmergeuser
12-13-2011, 02:29 PM
Theres one thing you can have little doubt about, and that's the time and effort that's gone into this game to make it the best it can be.

Redlynx havent released it quickly for a quick pay day, they really are making it the best they can. Almost every really good game has a quick pay day sequel that sucks, that isn't the case with evo.

FatShady Live
12-13-2011, 02:52 PM
That was in no way directed at you, FatShady. I'm just sick of people asking. Just !"# wait.

Aw man that's like the first time I've publicly asked for a release date http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif

Nah it's all good man. Was actually just being a smart arse lol. I totally agree with you mate.

sebastianaalton
12-13-2011, 03:40 PM
Do the gray cars shown in the water level still look like boxes with windows?
The final cars look very good. Our graphics artist Pekka has also made graphics for FlatOut racing games, so he is pretty good in car modeling http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif

And if the bike physics were such a minor, easily resolved issue, why weren't they one of the things polished up and fixed before the public showing? That's probably the biggest part of the game, even if you left out all background, textures and graphics I'm 100% sure people would still buy it. I don't understand the reasoning behind that.
Textures and graphics weren't 100% polished... not anywhere near. And we did left out most of our backgrounds. We did show it when we felt it looked acceptable (not great by any means). Bike physics was also good enough for most people, the early version wasn't intended for hardcore fans. Normal players didn't notice that the physics wasn't final. Trials HD was also shown to press before we had final physics. Physics finetuning is one of the things we do at the end of our projects, because you pretty much cannot tune the physics to perfection without final levels and technology capable of smooth 60 fps game play. Physics tuning needs a lot of players playing the game competetively, and at the end of our projects we tend to play a lot (and finetune the issues we found while playing the game). No game can be perfect without the team playing it a lot during the development.

RetiredRonin
12-13-2011, 03:50 PM
Do the gray cars shown in the water level still look like boxes with windows?
The final cars look very good. Our graphics artist Pekka has also made graphics for FlatOut racing games, so he is pretty good in car modeling http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif

Hey sebbbi, can you give an estimate for how many polys are in the bike/rider models?

rlmergeuser
12-13-2011, 04:25 PM
thats a lot of info youv given us! thanks http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif

if any ones interested ive made Out of the pit on THD its not grate but pretty good. couldent realy be botherd with background so i just put wall blocks up to the drive line.
if you want it add me! dident take much note of what i used to build it either only wood blocks, planks and bombs.http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif but im going to take a nap for now.

i wasent sure if any one has already done it.

sipe
12-13-2011, 06:58 PM
Do the gray cars shown in the water level still look like boxes with windows?
The final cars look very good. Our graphics artist Pekka has also made graphics for FlatOut racing games, so he is pretty good in car modeling http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif

Hey sebbbi, can you give an estimate for how many polys are in the bike/rider models?

Character without cloths: Between ~7k highest and ~4k lowest lod. (1 part)
Avarage character with cloths: ~10k highest and ~6k lowest lod. (1 + 8 parts)
Average bike: Between 18-20k highest and 9-10k lowest lod. (19 parts)

Dynamically switchable items tend to cause some extra tris.

rlmergeuser
12-13-2011, 07:22 PM
Perhaps this is too much to ask sebbi, sipe.. But how about a "very rough estimation" on timeframe til release?

I'm thinking between february-april...

rlmergeuser
12-13-2011, 07:44 PM
Perhaps this is too much to ask sebbi, sipe.. But how about a "very rough estimation" on timeframe til release?

I'm thinking between february-april...

your realy pushing your luck now http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif
but they do seem to be in a sharing mood...

GameScrub
12-13-2011, 08:29 PM
oh I'm compiling this to a nice Q/A for thd.net thx http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif

RetiredRonin
12-13-2011, 09:03 PM
oh I'm compiling this to a nice Q/A for thd.net thx http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif

Sweet.

jook13
12-13-2011, 09:36 PM
Redlynx should be picking a bunch of guys from this website to help with testing for physics and handling... http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif I've been here since the release of HD. Just saying http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif

GameScrub
12-13-2011, 10:11 PM
oh you are not part of the QA team? I have been testing it out for a while, you guys are going to be freaking out man!

RetiredRonin
12-13-2011, 10:27 PM
oh you are not part of the QA team? I have been testing it out for a while, you guys are going to be freaking out man!

You are such a troll... http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

rlmergeuser
12-14-2011, 12:24 AM
Everyone in the Trials team agrees with you that the 6 month old bike physics was total crap. .

when i did my review on the early Evo version i was even kinda holding back a little because i love trials so much. then one of the developers (cant remember which one) told me it was just me and that the physics where almost identical to trials HD.

rlmergeuser
12-14-2011, 12:30 AM
what about the sound of the bike? if i go by the 6 month old youtube videos it was horrid

johnsalis
12-14-2011, 01:17 AM
what about the sound of the bike? if i go by the 6 month old youtube videos it was horrid

The new engine sound reacts to physics simulation of the motor and the tires. We simulate engine RPM, up/down shifting and engine load. So different angled slopes with full gas sound now different. It's also more manly http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif
http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif

rlmergeuser
12-14-2011, 02:16 AM
what about the sound of the bike? if i go by the 6 month old youtube videos it was horrid

The new engine sound reacts to physics simulation of the motor and the tires. We simulate engine RPM, up/down shifting and engine load. So different angled slopes with full gas sound now different. It's also more manly http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif
http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif
nice 1

rlmergeuser
12-14-2011, 02:18 AM
Theres one thing you can have little doubt about, and that's the time and effort that's gone into this game to make it the best it can be.

Redlynx havent released it quickly for a quick pay day, they really are making it the best they can. Almost every really good game has a quick pay day sequel that sucks, that isn't the case with evo.
i agree well said m8

sebastianaalton
12-14-2011, 07:33 AM
what about the sound of the bike? if i go by the 6 month old youtube videos it was horrid
We absolutely love the whiny monotonous motor noise. No way we are going to change that.

prrprrr prrrrr! pprrrrrrr!!

johnsalis
12-14-2011, 07:55 AM
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