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269GA-Veltro
04-30-2004, 10:28 AM
Thank to Pippz! Still WIP but almost completed.

Luftwaffe......you are not more alone, italian "serie 5" is coming!

http://killers.mnetwork.it/pippz/wide.jpg

http://killers.mnetwork.it/pippz/lato2.jpg


http://killers.mnetwork.it/pippz/lato3.jpg



http://killers.mnetwork.it/pippz/lato4.jpg


http://killers.mnetwork.it/pippz/lato.jpg

269GA-Veltro
04-30-2004, 10:28 AM
Thank to Pippz! Still WIP but almost completed.

Luftwaffe......you are not more alone, italian "serie 5" is coming!

http://killers.mnetwork.it/pippz/wide.jpg

http://killers.mnetwork.it/pippz/lato2.jpg


http://killers.mnetwork.it/pippz/lato3.jpg



http://killers.mnetwork.it/pippz/lato4.jpg


http://killers.mnetwork.it/pippz/lato.jpg

269GA-Veltro
04-30-2004, 11:35 AM
http://www.il2sturmovik.it/clubmed/danni-camo-grigio2.jpg

http://www.il2sturmovik.it/clubmed/danni-camo-brown2.jpg

http://www.il2sturmovik.it/clubmed/clubmed.htm

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Jjjouk
04-30-2004, 12:47 PM
WOOOOWW ! When this beauty will be flyable ? Thanks for the job, the pictures of your links are lovely too... I particularly like the Re 2000 , that the Hungarians pilots have also...

gates123
04-30-2004, 12:48 PM
Gorgeous, the italians are coming... the italians are coming!!

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Did anyone see that or was it just me?

Prof.Wizard
04-30-2004, 01:09 PM
Favoloso! My compliments mate. Keep'em coming, we'll fly them...

PS. I loved the "Non Sparare" warning... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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dux-1
04-30-2004, 01:18 PM
Ehheee... All yours B17 are belong to us....

LEXX_Luthor
04-30-2004, 03:32 PM
Can't wait.

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VW-IceFire
04-30-2004, 03:39 PM
Great work on the cockpit and the exterior! Well done!

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Roast
04-30-2004, 04:20 PM
Thanks Veltro, that's excellent work! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Question ofcourse is when can we expect the G.55 in FB; situation at the front is getting pretty desperate ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Keep up the good work
Roast

PraetorHonoris
04-30-2004, 04:23 PM
Great work! I like the italian planes of WWII.
Would be nice to see this one soon in Il2.

Makes more sense than: I185, Go229, Bf109Z, BL1, YP80 [...]

Let us hope the best.

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Abraxa
04-30-2004, 04:53 PM
complimenti Pippz, una meraviglia http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Gunner_361st
04-30-2004, 05:51 PM
Without any doubt the best Italian fighter of World War II.

Also a very smooth, attractive-looking aircraft as well. But I have two questions though.

How many of these aircraft were manufactured; by Italy or any other Axis country? How much action (approximately) did this aircraft see in the War?

Major Gunner of the 361st vFG

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p1ngu666
04-30-2004, 07:45 PM
this the one better than 109?
not many where made iirec, a few hundred, but was better than 109 i think
man hours was waaaaaay more than 109, that was reason

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WereSnowleopard
04-30-2004, 09:37 PM
Very neat but we may wish have an flyable Italian attack plane. Can anyone tell us who now work on it. We need a Italian plane that can carry over 200 kg bombs. Maybe a bomber-fighter G.50 or Breda Ba.88??? I guess S.M. 79 will be great but big one.

pdog1
04-30-2004, 10:51 PM
105 of them were produced, nearly all seeing service with the ANR in northern italy 44-45.

269GA-Veltro
05-01-2004, 01:43 AM
Some info....about this "little baby".

"In December 1942 a technical commission of the Regia Aeronautica was invited by Luftwaffe to test some German aircrafts in Rechlin. The visit was part of a joint plan for the standardization of the Axis aircraft production. In the same time some Luftwaffe officers visited Guidonia where they were particularly interested in the performances promised by the Serie 5's. On December 9 these impressions were discussed in a Luftwaffe staff meeting and rised the interest of Goering itself.

In February 1943 a German test commission was sent in Italy to evaluate the new Italian fighters. The commission was led by Oberst Petersen and was formed by Luftwaffe officiers and pilots nad by technical personnel, among them the Flugbaumeister Malz. The Germans carried with them also several aircrafts included a Fw190A and a Me109G for direct comparison tests in simulated dogfights.

The tests began February 20. The German commission, not without a certain surprise, was very impressed by the Italian aircrafts, the G55 in particular. In general, all the Serie 5's were very good at low altitudes, but the G55 was competitive with its German opponents also in term of speed and climb rate at high altitudes still maintaining superior handling characteristics. The definitive evaluation by the German commission was "excellent" for the G55, "good" for the Re2005 and "average" for the MC205. Oberst Petersen defined the G55 "the best fighter in the Axis" and immediately telegraphed his impressions to Goering. After listening the recommendations of Petersen, Milch and Galland, a meeting held by Goering on February 22 voted to produce the G55 in Germany.

The interest of the Germans, apart from the good test results, derived also from the development possibilities they was able to see in the G55 and in the Re2005. For the Re2005 the German interest resulted in the provision of an original DB605 with the new WM injection. This engine and a VDM propeller were installed on the MM495 prototype that was acquired by Luftwaffe and tested in Rechlin. The aircraft reached 700 km/h during a test with a German pilot, but the airframe was not judged sufficiently strong for these performances.

The G55 was bigger and heavier and was considered a very good candidate for the new DB603 engine. Other visits were organized in Germany during March and May 1943 in Rechlin and Berlin. The G55 was again tested at Rechlin at the presence of Milch. Gabrielli and other FIAT personalities were invited to visit German factories and to discuss the evolution of the aircraft. The specifications of the German G55/II included the DB603 engine, five 20 mm guns and a pressurized cockpit. The suggestion of weapons in the wings, limited to one 20 mm gun for each wing, originated the final configuration of the Serie I, while the 603 engine was succesfully installed in the G56 prototypes.

As a concrete results of the German interest in the G55, the Luftwaffe acquired three complete G55 Sottoserie 0 airframes (MM91064-65-66) for evaluations and experiments giving in change three DB603 engines and original machinery for the setup of other production lines of the DB605/RA1050 RC58 I. Two of the Luftwaffe G55's remained in Turin, at the Aeritalia plants, where they were used by German and Italian engineers to study the planned modifications and the possible optimizations to the production process. Later these two were converted to Serie I and delivered to the ANR. The third one was transferred to Rechlin for tests and experiments in Germany. The DB603 engines were used to build the G56 prototypes.

The interest in the G55 program was still high after the Armistice: in October 1943 Kurt Tank, who previously personally tested a G55 in Rechlin, was in Turin to discuss about the G55 production. However, war events and the not yet optimized production process were the reasons for which the G55 program was eventually abandoned by the Luftwaffe. Early produced G55's required about 15000 manhours; while there were estimations to reduce the effort to about 9000 manhours, the German factories were able to assemble a Bf109 in only 5000 manhours".

Thank to Nanni.

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269GA-Veltro
05-01-2004, 01:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WereSnowleopard:
Very neat but we may wish have an flyable Italian attack plane. Can anyone tell us who now work on it. We need a Italian plane that can carry over 200 kg bombs. Maybe a bomber-fighter G.50 or Breda Ba.88??? I guess S.M. 79 will be great but big one.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SM 79 AI is the first candidate....but only AI. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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269GA-Veltro
05-01-2004, 01:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Roast:
Question ofcourse is when can we expect the G.55 in FB; situation at the front is getting pretty desperate ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

G 55 is very strong....really very strong, but we need also a 20mm dogfighter for the low-medium altitudes........it's coming (see my signature)! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
05-01-2004, 02:58 AM
don't know exectly but i read that the G55 could carry a single 930kg Torpedo.

could be interessting

269GA-Veltro
05-01-2004, 06:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gunner_361st:
How many of these aircraft were manufactured; by Italy or any other Axis country? How much action (approximately) did this aircraft see in the War?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MC 205 and G 55 fought al lot mission during italian air war (1943/1944), Re 2005 only some mission. Number is a little mistake but for sure more than 150 were operative; the same for C 205. ANR was a littel aviation, but at the same time a very strong aviation: a lot of experten pilots, and the best birds they could desire. But.....ANR pilots had to fight 1 vs 5/8 in media.

G 55 is not a fantasy plane, it fought a lot of in italy during that period (43/44).

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NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 07:40 AM
great work

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DeerHunterUK
05-01-2004, 09:08 AM
The G 55 Centauro was 1 of my favourite aircraft to fly in CFS2, I can't wait for the FB version.

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Hunde_3.JG51
05-01-2004, 10:29 AM
Thank you very much for all of your hard work, I can't wait to try out the G.55. Excellent all around plane that could turn, climb, dive, had good speed and very good firepower. Can't wait for the 202 & 205 also. Thanks to the the 3rd party community, FB's number of aircraft have reached a level I thought was impossible.
Thanks again.

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GBOF
05-01-2004, 11:55 AM
Simply Great!

tank you guys for the hard work, I realy hope to see this plane soon! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S!
GBOF

269GA-Veltro
05-01-2004, 01:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ToP_BlackSheep:
don't know exectly but i read that the G55 could carry a single 930kg Torpedo.

could be interessting<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/G55SS.jpg

You're right.

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mike_espo
05-01-2004, 01:53 PM
Bravo! Che bello velivolo!

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LEXX_Luthor
05-01-2004, 02:07 PM
Yes, recently somebody posted that article about the Germans wanting to
manufacture G.55 for themselves it was so good.
I don't even know where to look for that article. Anybody?

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269GA-Veltro
05-01-2004, 02:20 PM
Luthor, see in the page 1 of this post. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Prof.Wizard
05-01-2004, 02:29 PM
Veltro, do you happen to know why someone shouldn't fire the guns ("non sparare") above and below 2600 and 1400 respectively?

Don't tell me you could hit the propeller?!? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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pdog1
05-01-2004, 03:02 PM
where's the guy who said this

"Like? I'm sorry to say, but it's common knowledge Italy didn't field the best of equipment during the 2nd WW."

LEXX_Luthor
05-01-2004, 03:08 PM
Yeah, Veltro posted it. http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/kopfpatsch.gif Thanks. .. What link was that if anybody knows?

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pdog1
05-01-2004, 04:21 PM
yeah dam the website where thats from is down, it had alot more g55 stuff on it too, for shame

p1ngu666
05-01-2004, 08:14 PM
pdog thats what i heard about them in russia and desert...
and there motiviation wasnt the best either
cant blame them really for that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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PraetorHonoris
05-01-2004, 08:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
pdog thats what i heard about them in russia and desert...
and there motiviation wasnt the best either
cant blame them really for that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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And it is correct concerning the ground troops, who were led by incompetent generals, often without heavy weapons. Italian tanks were absolute obsolete and ineffective.
The Italian infantry had low motivation compared with their German allies.

German infantry often hold it's position while the Italians were retreating or even surrendered.
This is reported by many Afrika Korps and Italian front veterans.

Nonetheless the Italian air force pilots were descriped as "bold" and "virtuos" by German pilots and they had some good air craft like Mc202 or G55 (which had German engines).

"Everyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of a soldier dying on the
battlefield will think hard before starting a war." - Reichskanzler von Bismarck

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TheGozr
05-01-2004, 09:12 PM
I fly mainly online so Ai plane doesn't get my attention. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So sad..

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Angelus897
05-01-2004, 09:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
I fly mainly online so Ai plane doesn't get my attention. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So sad..
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm, isn't this post titled Cockpit update? I think that it means you will be able to fly it, lol.

dadada1
05-02-2004, 02:43 AM
Any of these Italian aircraft would be a welcome addition to the Axis forces. Can't wait to get behind the controls of these.

Kurfurst__
05-02-2004, 05:42 AM
Italian design, German engines - you cant beat this combination. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Can`t wait to put my little dirty hands on it. Just - when?

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".
- Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

"One day a Tiger Royal got within 150 yards of my tanks and knocked me out. Five of our tanks opened up on him at ranges of 200 to 600 yards and got 5 or 6 hits on the front of the Tiger. They all just glanced off and the Tiger backed off and got away. If we had a tank like that Tiger, we would all be home today."
- Sgt. Clyde D. Brunson, US Army, Tank Commander, February 1945

pdog1
05-02-2004, 06:42 AM
http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55h.jpg

pdog1
05-02-2004, 06:46 AM
http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55i.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55a.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55b.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55c.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55d.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55e.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55f.jpg

pdog1
05-02-2004, 06:49 AM
http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55j.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55g.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55k.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/g55l.jpg

mortoma
05-02-2004, 09:39 AM
Veltro, are we getting the MC202 and 205 also??

Abraxa
05-02-2004, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
Veltro, are we getting the MC202 and 205 also??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, both flyable, and hopefully even the Reggiane 2000, 2001 and 2005.

BBB_Abraxa

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269GA-Veltro
05-02-2004, 10:18 AM
This italian stallion will take care of pony! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

Macchi C 205 "Veltro"
Skin ANR (WIP); new 3D model (WIP).
http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/macchi205-6.jpg

Macchi C 202 "Folgore" (new model WIP)
http://www.269ga.it/public/macchi202.jpg

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pdog1
05-02-2004, 10:34 AM
ack, veltro fare mi un favore...

PINCH ME lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Roast
05-02-2004, 10:54 AM
Great photographs, Pdog http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I already liked that German grey camouflage scheme, now it turns out that the Gruppo Caccia G.55 in one of the pictures was based near Pavia, my grandmother's birthplace! Things are getting more interesting & better all the time ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Roast

VOL_Mountain
05-02-2004, 11:09 AM
Great Work!

Maybe I missed the answer to my question in the thread but are these aircraft being created for FB or BoB ?

http://www.altitude.us/missions/The%20Volunteers/mountainsig.jpg

269GA-Veltro
05-02-2004, 11:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VOL_Mountain:
Great Work!

Maybe I missed the answer to my question in the thread but are these aircraft being created for FB or BoB ?

http://www.altitude.us/missions/The%20Volunteers/mountainsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All for FB, NOT for BoB.

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dux-1
05-02-2004, 04:07 PM
Amazing photos, Pdog..

pdog1
05-02-2004, 09:52 PM
grazie dux, most of them i scanned from veltro's (di amico) book, regia aeronautica vol 2, squadron signal. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

269GA-Veltro
05-03-2004, 01:47 AM
Some books, in english, about "Air war italy":

http://www.tuttostoria.it/specificheing.asp?ID=298

http://www.bancaero.it/shop/product_info.php?cPath=1129_243&products_id=2192

A good G 55 monografy, italian-english txt.

http://www.bancaero.it/shop/product_info.php?cPath=1129_241&products_id=2112&language=en

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pdog1
05-03-2004, 09:28 AM
Here is link where you can order some of those books from american company. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://pacmodelscatalog.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PCM&Category_Code=books

269GA-Veltro
05-12-2004, 01:43 AM
Ok, a little update waiting for pics:

Fiat G55 "Centauro" COMPLETED, and ready for OLeg. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Model - 100% completed
Cockpit - 100% completed

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LEXX_Luthor
05-12-2004, 02:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Fiat G55 "Centauro" COMPLETED, and ready for OLeg.

Model - 100% completed
Cockpit - 100% completed<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

pdog1
05-12-2004, 09:17 AM
thanks for the update veltro this is great, please send to Oleg now lol hope it can be flyable in some future patch in summer.

jeanba2
05-12-2004, 09:27 AM
Excellent news ...

269GA-Veltro
05-12-2004, 09:28 AM
no txt.

[This message was edited by Veltro on Wed May 12 2004 at 10:05 AM.]

pdog1
05-12-2004, 10:03 AM
MINCHIA!
SICILIA!
Ma tu sei patzo... io non credo questo mappo non e veramente, si? Ma... tu non sei goccare con me... bleh lol

I.JG27_Zimmi
05-12-2004, 10:22 AM
just a fake...

pdog1
05-12-2004, 10:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by I.JG27_Zimmi:
just a fake...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

your an *******

pdog1
05-12-2004, 10:54 AM
http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/sicilia.jpg

just a fake eh... you will rot in hell for this

Dierk3er
05-12-2004, 11:06 AM
Slow down guy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif You are talking just about a game! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif
If you are not able to post like a gentleman, you should go and play football on next highway!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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I.JG27_Zimmi
05-12-2004, 11:18 AM
hehehe he still keeps calling me like that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

2GvSAP_Snoopy
05-12-2004, 11:29 AM
I think its funny http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.2gvsap.org/snoopy/Moors3.jpg

Merlin (FZG_Immel)
05-12-2004, 11:57 AM
Grazie mille Raga ! Non vedo l'ora di volare con quel bestione !

Veltro, un saluto a Jackmall se lo becchi !

FZG_Immel (Merlin on C6)

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pdog1
05-12-2004, 01:47 PM
ahha immel you come here to this nut house...not like vef forum lol

Baltar
05-12-2004, 03:54 PM
With all these Italian planes getting made there'll have to be a new key command that toggles which team you're on as you fly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

pdog1
05-12-2004, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Baltar:
With all these Italian planes getting made there'll have to be a new key command that toggles which team you're on as you fly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

haahah funny.... um NO.
there also needs to be a key command to toggle the correct information in your brain and not propaganda you read...

269GA-Veltro
05-12-2004, 04:42 PM
Some pics, more later. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/001.jpg

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/003.jpg

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/005.jpg

269GA~Veltro
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popse
05-12-2004, 04:45 PM
Hold your horses!

Is that a real game map of sicily!? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
This is to great... but is it truth????

269GA-Maxmars
05-12-2004, 04:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by popse:
Hold your horses!

Is that a real game map of sicily!? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
This is to great... but is it truth????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No.. shhhh.. PDog has just settled down, don't wake him again!!!!

PS: PDog, sorry for the coop, I had to leave cause babies woke up simultaneously. Hope your back was covered anyway.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

269GA-Maxmars
05-12-2004, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG5_Dierk3er:
Slow down guy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif You are talking just about a game! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean, like Tetris?

If you think that people consider this just a game, then think again!

pdog1
05-12-2004, 06:14 PM
no problem max, im still mad at this guy who made sick joke of fake sicily map when real sicily map becomes in Med Sim i hope he gets PC virus and won't be able to use his PC and med sim because its really bad what he did...

269GA-Veltro
05-13-2004, 01:34 AM
I'm waiting for cockpits screen, but G 55 is ready for Oleg....fliable.

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/UPDATE/023.jpg

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/UPDATE/024.jpg

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/UPDATE/025.jpg

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/UPDATE/026.jpg

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/UPDATE/027.jpg

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/UPDATE/021.jpg

Different skins.

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/UPDATE/022.jpg

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/UPDATE/018.jpg

269GA~Veltro
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[This message was edited by Veltro on Thu May 13 2004 at 12:50 AM.]

ednavar
05-13-2004, 10:17 AM
Awesome! A real beauty. Grazie di cuore, ├┬Ę meraviglioso!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SUPERAEREO
05-14-2004, 03:00 AM
The dream is coming true, hopefully...

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!


"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down."
Chuck Yaeger

pdog1
05-14-2004, 02:45 PM
soon soon... oleg come home and see news aobut fiat g55 we see lol

Giganoni
05-15-2004, 03:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:

And it is correct concerning the ground troops, who were led by incompetent generals, often without heavy weapons. Italian tanks were absolute obsolete and ineffective.
The Italian infantry had low motivation compared with their German allies.

German infantry often hold it's position while the Italians were retreating or even surrendered.
This is reported by many Afrika Korps and Italian front veterans.

Nonetheless the Italian air force pilots were descriped as "bold" and "virtuos" by German pilots and they had some good air craft like Mc202 or G55 (which had German engines).

"Everyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of a soldier dying on the
battlefield will think hard before starting a war." - Reichskanzler von Bismarck

http://www.rkwetterau.de/assets/images/verdun_franz_helfen.jpg
Humanity<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, many were of the facist air arm, so of course they were bold. The SS got the best equipment too, and were bold, but also very stupid wasting their good equipment where the regular wermacht could have used it a lot better.

However, on the plus side Italy was very early in the Tank destroyer game and those weapons were well respected by the allies. They, just like all the good stuff Italy had, had too little. Obviously their later aircraft were some of the best of the war. As to the morale of the troops. I do not blame them, because most Italians did not like or even hated the Germans. As for them on the Eastern front, well, it was Germany's mistake. They expected their allies to hold their flanks with very little in the way of heavy AT guns.

NegativeGee
05-15-2004, 04:08 AM
Absolutely stunning Veltro!

A question: I don't suppose you know if these are going to be put into AEP, or if another add-on is in the works?

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Gunther Rall

http://www.invoman.com/images/tali_with_hands.jpg

Look Noobie, we already told you, we don't have the Patch!

269GA-Veltro
05-15-2004, 05:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
Absolutely stunning Veltro!

A question: I don't suppose you know if these are going to be put into AEP, or if another add-on is in the works?

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Gunther Rall

http://www.invoman.com/images/tali_with_hands.jpg

Look Noobie, we already told you, we don't have the Patch!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know....really i don't know. But off course i'd prefer an addon like AEP, with also italian air war, an other forgotten battle. I would like have G 55 and C 205 also in Vow...

269GA~Veltro
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pdog1
05-15-2004, 02:02 PM
yes indeed VOW missions would be so good with g55 and 205, rack up unbelivable kill scores haha

Insuber
05-15-2004, 06:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
German infantry often hold it's position while the Italians were retreating or even surrendered.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

.... and to be fair, often it was the opposite way round, as happened in North Africa on April 22, 1941, when the German 5th Light Division, overwhelmed by British Matildas, refused to attack and retreated. It was the Trento division, according to German accounts, who recovered the British success against Rommels positions in late April.

Also, in the battle of El Alamein, the "Ariete" division didn't retreat by one meter and was entirely destroyed in their trenches, while the 21st Pz. division at their right flank retreated after suffering heavy casualties. After the battle of El Alamein the last troops to quit the front were those of the "Folgore" division, who covered the retreat of the Axis resisting till the last man: out of 5'000 soldiers, only 304 remained. The Allies gave them the honor of the arms.
Despite the objective unreadiness, inferiority of supplies, lack of heavy tanks, hundreds of thousand of Italian soldiers fought with honor and many died. You can find recognition of the bravery of Italian soldiers in the North Africa war even in the memories of Allied generals, e.g. Lucas Phillips: "the usual habit of denigrating them doesn't give justice to their real merits" (C.E. Lucas Phillips - El-Alamein).

The Italian army alone obtained excellent vicories in the desert, such as Bir-El-Gobi, Sidi Razegh, Rughet-El-Atasch, Dahar-el-A****h, Halfaya. All with the support of the poor M11 and M13/40 tanks, with their 47/32 cannons.
Don't misunderstand, I'm against the war and hate the criminals who put Italy at war, I'm just proud of men like my grand-uncle, who fought and died in North Africa during that disastrous war. As they say, the first victim of the war is the truth.



Regards,
Insuber

Insuber
05-15-2004, 06:04 PM
.... and Auchinleck wrote in his diary in December 1941:

"The Italian M-13 tanks which, as a result of the previous campaign, we had inclined to dismiss as valueless, fought well, and had an appreciable effect on the battle."


Regards,
Insuber

Aeronautico
05-15-2004, 06:26 PM
Thanks Insuber, very nice post: it should be made sticky! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I am frankly fed up with the usual uninformed Italian (Army) trashing, that seems to never end. Ignorance can hurt.
I usually just skip these threads, but am happy I happened to read your obviously well informed post (contrary to most).

Regards.

Aero

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Airplanes are now built to carry a pilot and a dog in the cockpit: the pilot's job is
to feed the dog, and the dog's job is to bite the pilot if he touches anything...

- Arlen Rens, Lockheed Martin test pilot

pdog1
05-15-2004, 06:29 PM
Well put Insuber! Bravo.
It is sad many do not know truth and are blinded by propaganda put out by allies and german them selves (during war)
As they say the victor writes the history.
My grandfather too fought with the italian army, he surrendered in sicily during the allied invasion after a mortar round took his foot off.

In Russia on the Don River Sforzesca and Vicenza division were simply overflood by the russian tanks (the Christmas Battle in Italian literature), fighting with rifles against 34 ton armoured vehicles (no effective anti-tank guns). The Alpini of the "Julia" were then moved from theyr trenches at the Don and displaced in the open steppe to face the russians now coming from south and resisted them for nearly a month in the deep Russian winter without adequate equipment and completely in the open. They then fought their way back together with the "Tridentina" untill Nikoljewka, where they managed to finally brake out from the cul-de-sac created by the Red Army (many German, Hungarian and soldiers from other countries have to thank these men if they managed to come back from Russia). Remarkable is, that the Red Army itself, as enemy, recognized in a war communicate that the sole Corpo d'Armata Alpino could considerate itself unbeaten on russian soil.

The fact that the Italian Army can award itself with the last cavalry charge in military history, the one at Isbusenskij in august 1942 is a witness of this: gallantry and obsolescence.

p1ngu666
05-15-2004, 07:32 PM
hmm interesting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i guess its mostly from the beginning of med, where italians didnt do too well

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Red_Russian13
05-15-2004, 08:21 PM
Great job, looking forward to flying that gal! Can't wait.

Wert4562
05-16-2004, 01:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ToP_BlackSheep:
don't know exectly but i read that the G55 could carry a single 930kg Torpedo.

could be interessting<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes, that is true. The prob is that setup, although tested, was maybe a month from entering service. It was called the G.55S Centauro (Centaur). It was obviously a torpedo-bomber. If we can get the fish (siluro/torpedo), it will be a great addition to the game and will most likely tide most off until we get the delicious "Torbeau"....
Good work Ventro!

Abraxa
05-16-2004, 05:22 PM
Nice and documented post Insuber, ty.
One should just read what Rommel says in his memories about Italian soldiers, and then decide if his opinion is more entitled than Rommel's one.
That told, Italian soldiers were chronically poorly equiped (WW1 weapons in many cases...) and they knew the disgrace of an opportunistic king who had no respect for his soldiers ("meat for cannons", as he called them) and of an hazard playing dictator... "I need some hundreds dead to sit at the table of peace". This is what Mussolini claimed in 1940. *sigh*

BBB_Abraxa

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pdog1
05-17-2004, 09:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
Thanks Insuber, very nice post: it should be made sticky! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I am frankly fed up with the usual uninformed Italian (Army) trashing, that seems to never end. Ignorance can hurt.
I usually just skip these threads, but am happy I happened to read your obviously well informed post (contrary to most).

Regards.

Aero

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm fed up to.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=395109904

269GA-Veltro
05-18-2004, 02:22 AM
important update: Fiat G 55 sent to Oleg.

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GBOF
05-18-2004, 03:04 AM
Cool!!!

pdog1
05-18-2004, 01:12 PM
now lets see what oleg says

GBOF
05-19-2004, 11:38 AM
so... there's no G55 in the patch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

there's no way to win against spits without G55 or MC202/5 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

Axis pilots, get ready for hard flight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

pdog1
05-19-2004, 06:16 PM
well there was no time for it to be in patch, just sent complete to oleg.
hope to be in the next patch fiat g55 along with Ju88 and tempest and what ever else gets done by then hopefully macchi series to

Giganoni
05-20-2004, 03:00 AM
Well in the Desert Map, I'm doing okay taking on HurrIIkBs (I'm afraid to go against cs) in the fiat G.50, also the AI 42s are taking on P-40Es pretty well. Coupled with German BF 110Cs I'm making mock Africa missions for my entertainment. Of course..those other Italian planes will be great to fly (although I don't know exactly what types flew in NA).

muffuese
05-23-2004, 07:22 AM
Maybe can try to creat G.56. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And the G.55's cockpit looks like have some space can check 6 o'clock.

Like this picture http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~vw8f-ymzk/Home/planes/Italy/g55/55d.html

LEXX_Luthor
05-24-2004, 02:59 AM
Neat pic. What is that in the sky? It looks Italian.

Note the palm trees, seems like high wind.

http://www.warbirdpictures.com/LCBW/Me109-G6-33.jpg

under Fb109 ---&gt; http://www.warbirdpix.com/armynavy.htm

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"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
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"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

269GA-Veltro
05-24-2004, 03:51 AM
Great pic! Thank you!

Definitly, is an MC 205 "Veltro", for sure.

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pdog1
05-24-2004, 08:42 AM
cool, nice pic haven't seen that one before.

LEXX_Luthor
05-25-2004, 02:48 AM
Yea, I read that high winds kept Fb109s on the ground when other fighters could fly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That pic says it all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif -- the palm trees seem wipped by the wind--both planes point into wind.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif ...sad Bf pilot looks up at MC and hopes the wind stops.

http://www.warbirdpictures.com/LCBW/Me109-G6-33.jpg
under Fb109 ---&gt; http://www.warbirdpix.com/armynavy.htm



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"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

pdog1
05-25-2004, 08:02 AM
sad Bf pilot should fly a Macchi to cheer up. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif