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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 11:35 PM
That plane is stronger then a T-34!!
If you shoot at the rear fusselage, with the 20mm gun on the 109, you almost lose all your ammo before that thing gets down.
Also it happened to shoot 2(TWO!!!) mk108 bullets directly into one of those, without any fatal damage!(yes he had one hole in the fuselage and start losing fuel, but he was still flying and straight!) I had to shoot another two to get him off the sky.
Also the 13mm an 7,92 or .303 has absolutely no effect on it!!
Now, any of those hits would make a plane to go down(usualy in flames), but the P.11 is imune!
Funny thing, sometimes one 20mm shot may be enough to get the efect of 2 mk108 rounds, but it seem to be quite rare..
Have you experienced anything like this?
Please let me know your opinions.
BTW, IIRC, in Il2 and FB 1.0 the P.11 was more different.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 11:35 PM
That plane is stronger then a T-34!!
If you shoot at the rear fusselage, with the 20mm gun on the 109, you almost lose all your ammo before that thing gets down.
Also it happened to shoot 2(TWO!!!) mk108 bullets directly into one of those, without any fatal damage!(yes he had one hole in the fuselage and start losing fuel, but he was still flying and straight!) I had to shoot another two to get him off the sky.
Also the 13mm an 7,92 or .303 has absolutely no effect on it!!
Now, any of those hits would make a plane to go down(usualy in flames), but the P.11 is imune!
Funny thing, sometimes one 20mm shot may be enough to get the efect of 2 mk108 rounds, but it seem to be quite rare..
Have you experienced anything like this?
Please let me know your opinions.
BTW, IIRC, in Il2 and FB 1.0 the P.11 was more different.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 11:50 PM
because its fabric they just go right through without any effect unless it hits the structure, a round hitting a normal metal one will tumble and break up causing more damage also the skin is structural so holds it all together, on a fabric one it simply streamlines it

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 01:19 AM
How about that old contact fuse on that Mk108 Shell?????????? Would not that cause the round to go BOOOOM and down comes the old PE?



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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 04:05 AM
The fuse probably needs more than the resistance of fabric to detonate the round otherwise just firing the thing would set it off with the air resistance alone.

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 04:09 AM
I think it's a bug. I took an inordinate amount of direct flak hits to the fuselage with NO damage. I died only when my engine was hit. It couldn't handle that type of punishment before the patch...

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 04:47 AM
Funny, I put two 45mm rounds into one online yesterday and both flashed as they struck the fuselage. Of course, the p11 just kept on flying. I did knock a wheel of though...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 05:15 AM
As you all know what you see in the game isn't always what the games engine is doing exactly. If you hit the fabric with a 30mm or 45mm round it shows an explosion, this might just be the games way of telling you you hit your target while in fact the games engine just has the projectile passing through the aircraft without any explosion or damage. If you have played CM:BO or CM:BB you will already be familiar with the abstract representation between graphics and game engine.

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 05:27 AM
The P-11 was an ALL METAL monoplane fighter.
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Chris

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 06:35 AM
Hey Akd im still awaiting payment for that wheel you shot off my p11 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 07:36 AM
That's true. The P.11c was full metal. You saw an obsolescent aircraft and thought: it has fabric skinning. But it was full metal, and NOT so obsolescent as it may seem. Although it was really sturdy, cannon hits should make a lot of harm.

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 05:57 PM
Thank you for the clarification on the metallic skinned P-11...another item that is hosed. What else is new! Still plenty to keep me busy flying and destroying stuff.


Happy hunting and check six!

Tony Ascaso, RN

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 06:25 PM
Alright now knowing that it is metal skinned it doesnt make a difference. I flew against 4 in my K-4 and one mk108 took them down every time.

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 07:44 PM
I'll get you my pretty! And your little p.11, too!

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 08:22 PM
Fuses are extremely sensitive! Usually there ae two stage fuse system on explosive ammo, first adjust itself by rotating as soon as the projectil leaves gun, second stage is contact one and even thin paper causes the fuse to come off...

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 11:51 PM
FireBird77 wrote:
- Fuses are extremely sensitive! Usually there ae two
- stage fuse system on explosive ammo, first adjust
- itself by rotating as soon as the projectil leaves
- gun, second stage is contact one and even thin paper
- causes the fuse to come off...
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How can paper cause the round to detonate? Wouldn't the air resistance then also cause it to explode? Please elaborate.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 12:40 AM
Ok, I may look hilarious, but now, i'Ve discoverd another "stich",.
I was flying the geman fighter campaign, and I met eh IL4, well was VERY hard to take it down.
So I went in QPM, with a P-39 and foulr IL4.
I shoot 6(SIX) 37mm rounds, and there was no big visible damage.
The crew bailed out, but the plane was in one piece!
And I mead, aurate rounds, I did the test with cockpit off and no Headshake, so the shells got where I sended then.
But that one is a bomber, and therefore *might* be more sturdy, but gosh!!
IF lucky, you may make an engine catc fire, or stabilisers to detach, but otherwise, is invinvincible!

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