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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:57 PM
The 47 aside from needing to be made tougher in the engine is missing and important piece of ordnance. The High Velocity Aircrft Rocket(HVAR)! the 5" rocket carried in load outs of 10 rockets.

HVARS had a better flight, and more punch than the "bazooka" tube 4.5". the -25 on was capable of carrying them

"HVAR 5" (12.7 cm) 72" (1.83m) 140 lb (63.5 kg) 55 lb (25 kg) 1375 ft/s (419m/s) P-38, P-47, P-51, Corsair, Hellcat "


http://www.aviation-history.com/republic/p47.html[/URL]

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/5in-rockets.html

Would it be too hard to add them to the Ordnance list? Please? Please?

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Message Edited on 09/05/03 02:02PM by Sniper762x57

Message Edited on 09/05/0302:19PM by Sniper762x57

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:57 PM
The 47 aside from needing to be made tougher in the engine is missing and important piece of ordnance. The High Velocity Aircrft Rocket(HVAR)! the 5" rocket carried in load outs of 10 rockets.

HVARS had a better flight, and more punch than the "bazooka" tube 4.5". the -25 on was capable of carrying them

"HVAR 5" (12.7 cm) 72" (1.83m) 140 lb (63.5 kg) 55 lb (25 kg) 1375 ft/s (419m/s) P-38, P-47, P-51, Corsair, Hellcat "


http://www.aviation-history.com/republic/p47.html[/URL]

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/5in-rockets.html

Would it be too hard to add them to the Ordnance list? Please? Please?

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Message Edited on 09/05/03 02:02PM by Sniper762x57

Message Edited on 09/05/0302:19PM by Sniper762x57

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:01 PM
all the ordanance the p-47 could possibly carry is laughable when compared to the striking power of the HAWKER TYPHOON.



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:08 PM
You'll all have to wait in line, until the primary planes get their ordnance list updated first.

"Panzerblitz", anyone?


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:12 PM
The HVAR's from Jane's WW2 Fighters were my favorites. Good idea to bring them back!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:14 PM
kweassa wrote:
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- You'll all have to wait in line, until the primary
- planes get their ordnance list updated first.
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- "Panzerblitz", anyone?
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The P-47-27 is not a "primary" plane? then whats a 190? an Addon?

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:14 PM
According the J Baugher's site, the HVAR rockets were fitted from the block -30 aircraft onwards, not the block 25.

His page on the P-47D model:
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_4.html

Yes Typhoon, that is your canopy, and we were very happy to use it too.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:34 PM
Not being a total Jug guru what is the difference betwwen a -27 nd a -30?

Still want HVARS!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:42 PM
nothing

there both low performance aircraft



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 05:35 PM
Now just cause your a hopeless 'Tiffie' fanatic, is no reason to try and try to flame the Jug.

"RAF pilots found the aircraft fast and powerful at low altitudes, but it suffered from slow rate of climb and poor high altitude performance. In fact, the Tiffy had more than its share of teething problems. Cockpit visibility was bad; controls were heavy; low speed handling was poor; the Sabre engine tended to catch fire on start-up, and had to be overhauled every 25 flight hours in any case; there were carbon monoxide leaks into the cockpit that required continuous use of oxygen; and the tail section showed a distressing tendency to fall off."

"Despite the fact that the Typhoon became a significant asset to the Allied war effort, the aircraft's teething problems and its limitations could not be ignored. Even when it worked as planned, it was a handful to fly, due to its great weight, high wing loading, and other idiosyncracies. Not all its pilots loved the machine, and it would be remembered almost as much for its faults as for its virtues." www.vectorsite.net/avcfury.html#m3 (http://www.vectorsite.net/avcfury.html#m3)

IMHO, the Allied plane that won the war was the Jug. It was there, sluggin' in out since the grim days of '43. When longer ranged (not nessarily better) planes came along, they didn't scrap it, they turned into a devastating ground attack a/c, something it was not designed to do, but did extremely well. Besides, you never hear about Tiffies killing Tigers with their weak 20mm. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 05:45 PM
Typhoon,
I agree the Tiffy was indeed a great plane, but I am sorry to say she just did not have the overall effect the Jug did. You could argue that it was because she came too late or was used ineffectively. But I am a little tired of your knocking around the Jug, take that drivel elsewhere. I can put a fair share of money that I can blow your beloved tiffy out of the air when you get it with my Jug at will. One must remember though they are both allied planes, and should not be leveled at eachother, but at LW a/c. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 05:51 PM
ok Eagle_361st i look forward to riddling your p-47 with 20mm cannon shells in the near future, anyway what i say is not drivel,the typhoon has been knocked around by p47 lovers for a long time, its about they got their own back.



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Message Edited on 09/05/0305:05PM by Typhoonmk1b

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:07 PM
I can not recall any of us Jug lovers knocking around the Typhoon. In fact I have agreed with many posts about how great a plane it was. But if you really need to prove the the Tiffy against the Jug, we can do that. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif But you may be in for a real shock as you may be hard pressed to riddle my Jug with 20mm's. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif But you can find us on HL and we can test your theory, however I hope you won't have to wait too long for the Tiffy to be included. Until then let's try to play nice, we have enough poop on the forum with this patch business. No need to get into a pi$$ing contest until you can back up what you claim. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:24 PM
Sniper762x57 wrote:
- Not being a total Jug guru what is the difference
- betwwen a -27 nd a -30?
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- Still want HVARS!
-

Well, the block 30 introduced the HVAR launchers for one thing. It also introduced blunt nosed ailerons to improve handling after the onset of compressibility. Additionally I am given to understand that it introduced the lead calculating "Ace-Maker" gunsight, so well recieved in the P-51. And, I can't verify this, but strongly suspect it also rearranged everything in the cockpit again. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:36 PM
Sorry Mr. Typhoon lover, but the P-47 already flies against more devestating planes than the Typhoon (ie FW190 and Me262).

See http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm for gun and aircraft effectiveness.

I sure like the looks of the Typhoon however!



Message Edited on 09/05/0305:36PM by ISU-152

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:27 PM
P-47 is rated greatest ground attack plane of all time to this day. Typhoon you need to brush up on your history bud.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:37 PM
What I'd like to know, is why he is so insistent about starting a fight between the Typhoon and P-47? While it is true both aircraft were developed to fill, and ended up filling similare roles,I really don't see the reason for such conflict over them.

It's sort of like arguing over whether the La-7 is better than the Yak-3/9U.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:42 PM
Wasn't this about HVAR's?

I'll say this...If we get the block 30, I demand we have HVAR's as a loadout option. :O

As if that matters.





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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:46 PM
-30s had dive-brakes installed.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:11 PM
Actually, the D-25 was the first to be installed with compressibililty dive-flaps, but is not reflected by this game. Nor is the larger 13' prop on the D-22.



Message Edited on 09/05/0307:11PM by ISU-152

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:46 PM
Hawker Typhoon: A Hurricane with a big mouth./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

STOP FLAMING MY JUG!
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:23 PM
ISU-152 wrote:
- Actually, the D-25 was the first to be installed
- with compressibililty dive-flaps, but is not
- reflected by this game. Nor is the larger 13' prop
- on the D-22.
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My understanding was the the D-25 was not fitted with dive brakes. Rather the block 25 aircraft were the first Thunderbolts fitted with a bubble canopy. I think it may have been the block 40 that dive recovery flaps were first installed on, but I am not certain.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:48 PM
P-47B: sliding canopy in place of XP-47B door

C-1: fuselage lenthened by 8 inches

C-2: 200 gallon external ferry tank installation

C-5: cockpit heater installed

D: enlarged cowl flaps, increased cockpit and engine armor

D-5: water injection, 2 pt centreline, 1000 lb bomb rack

D-10: uprated -63 engine 2300 hp, two 1000lb wing racks, internal fuel increased from 207 to 375 gallons

D-22: larger and simpler 13' Hamilton standard prop

D-25: bubble canopy, compressibility dive-recovery flaps, lead-computing gunsight (note - most liked the older sight better)

D-40: dorsal fin, 10 HVAR rocket racks, -59 engine 2430 hp with water injection

M: "C" engine with 2100 hp for T/O and 2800 with water injection

P-47N: 200-gallon internal fuel in wings and wing strength for 2 external 300-gallon tanks.

Source - Flight Journal

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 01:38 AM
VMF-214_HaVoK wrote P-47 is rated greatest ground attack plane of all time to this day............................yea we never did need a10 or a2 sky raider at all we could just reopen the jug line man the p47 is a nice plane but lets remaine reasonable

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 01:52 AM
doah i ment ad-1 skyraider

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 01:57 AM
Again, just by going from the data on J Baugher's site ( http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_4.html):

RE: Republic built Thunderbolts built at the Farmingdale plant
RA: Republic built Thunderbolts built at the Evansville plant

D-4-RA and D-5-RE both introduced water injection and a 15 gallon water alcohol tank

D-5-RE and D-11-RA introduced the belly tank/bomb shackle, rated for 500 lbs.

D-10-RE and D-11-RA introduced the water injected engine at the factory. (Apparently the D-4-RA, D-5-RE, and D-6-RE block had the injections system, but not the engine to use them. I think the idea was to make them quickly modifiable to accept a fully water injected engine)

D-11-RE and D-11-RA introduced automatic control of Water injection (was manual on blocks D-4-RA, D-5-RE, D-6-RE, and D-10-RE)

D-15-RE and D-15-RA introduced under wing pylons, capable of carrying fuel tanks or bombs.

D-20-RE introduced the "universal" wing capable of mounting compatable ordinance and drop tanks. It also introduced the R-2800-59, with improved ignition system. (The -63 fuel system was having problems with surges and vapor lock in high speed dive pullouts.)

D-22-RE and D-23-RA introduced the 13 foot diameter propeller, either a Hamilton Standard Hydromatic 24E50-65, or Curtiss Electric C542S. These blocks also introduced a jettisonable canopy and bullet-proof winshield, and increased internal fuel capacity.

D-25-RE and D-26-RA introduced the bubble canopy, and increased internal fuel capacity from 305 to 370 gallons. Additionally they incorperated stronger shackles for higher external ordinence capacity.

D-27-RE introduced the dorsal fin on the rudder, to restore directonal stability

D-30-RA introduced HVAR launchers. I recall from elseware that it was mentioned that the -30 also introduced the lead computing gunsight, adn the imfamous P-47 roll chart at 30lbs stick force was for the -30 with new blunt leading edge ailerons.

I don't have any information on what the -40 introduced.

The P-47M ( http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_12.html) introduced dive recovery brakes, the R-2800-57(C) engine, and ommited all bomb shackles. They were built from D-27 and D-30 airframes.

The P-47N ( http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_13.html) added in all kinds of stuff:
New wing, larger, with squared off tips, enlarged ailerons, and two 93 gallon tanks.
Enlarged dorsal fin
Strengthed shackles for higher ordinence load.
Strengthened undercarrage
R-2800-77 engine (I recall reading elsewhere that it was the -73, but I can't find that refference).
Autopilot. (No I am not kidding.)

It strikes me that the P-47 productions blocks are nearly as confused as the 109 variants are. It doesn't help that many of these modifications could be field fit to older models. Just these two lists, compiled from many reasonably reliable sources have many disagreements. I wouldn't get tremendously upset if a certain P-47 doesn't have the right block's equipment on it, with in reason

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 01:58 AM
I WILL ALWAYS FLAME THE JUG

the typhoon is the greatest ground attack aircraft of ww2
here are a few qoutes ifound:



"Initially created as a heavy interceptor, the plane's performance in that role was disappointing due to numerous engine and tail problems. Thanks in large part to the efforts of Wing Commander R.P. Beamont, the Typhoon finally found its fame as a heavy ground attack fighter. He rightly suggested that the Typhoon's poor performance at altitude was due to its inordinately thick wings, a fact that would matter much less at lower altitudes. Beamont proved his theory with a total of 56 low-level sorties into occupied northern Europe. The first two Messerschmitt Me 210 fighter-bombers to be destroyed over the British Isles fell to the guns of Typhoons, and during the last comparatively ambitious daylight raid by the Luftwaffe on London, on January 20, 1943, five FW 190s were destroyed by Typhoons"


The Typhoon's finest hour came late in the summer of 1944, when the Allied army faced the massed German Panzer divisions at Caen and Falaise. Typhoons of the 2nd Tactical Airforce relentlessly attacked the trapped German 7th Army for 12 days straight. With its high ordnance loads and superb speed the "Tiffy" could be ripping overhead in an instant, delivering bombs and rockets with devastating effect. In a single attack the "Tiffies" destroyed 137 tanks, effectively breaking the back of the German force. This opened the way for the Allied breakout and effectively ended the battle for France. This was followed by spectacular attacks on the German 15th Army Headquarters in Dordrecht.



After the Normandy invasion in 1944, the RAF Typhoons tore a path across Occupied Europe. From that point onward, squadrons of marauding Typhoons ranged over Belgium, Holland and finally the Reich. Their relentless attacks forced the German army to move only under cover of darkness, which severely hampered their operations. At their peak, Tiffies were destroying 150 locomotives a month. The contribution of the Typhoon toward eventual victory cannot be fully assessed



a Typhoon pilot once took credit for strafing a German staff car in Normandy, on the 17th of July 1944. The car was later found to have been carrying the German Field Marshall Rommel



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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 02:15 AM
Can't we all just get along?

We know the Typhoon was a good plane, you don't really have to fight so hard to prove it.

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 02:19 AM
i am getting along, i'm just responding to what people have been saying about the typhoon

as for fighting so hard to prove it, lots of people love their p47's and other fighters, i just love my typhoon, many people go on and on about their fighters, why cant i?



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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 02:20 AM
The A-10 is a great plane, but it does not hold this kind of record. It is widely accepted that the Jug is the greatest ground attack a/c of all time. If there is a WWIII, (which we hope not) then the A-10 can have a chance to amass a more impressive number of stats.... or when I finish my first weekend with LOMAC /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Total produced: 15, 683
Most units built - P-47D: 12,602

11,878 Enemy planes destroyed;
1/2 in the air; 1/2 on the ground
160,000 military vehicles destroyed
9,000 enemy locomotives destroyed
More victories than any other
American aircraft in W.W.II
546,000 combat sorties with a combat loss rate of only 0.7 percent
www.p47advocates.com/thep47.html (http://www.p47advocates.com/thep47.html)

HVARS = FUN!

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Message Edited on 09/06/0301:26AM by Cajun76

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 02:24 AM
wher get the kill record from ? it is generaly considered the f6f shot down more planes then any other american one ..like i said i m not a p-47 hater

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 02:38 AM
Typhoonmk1b wrote:
- i am getting along, i'm just responding to what
- people have been saying about the typhoon
-
- as for fighting so hard to prove it, lots of people
- love their p47's and other fighters, i just love my
- typhoon, many people go on and on about their
- fighters, why cant i?
-

The difference is that you wish to prove it at the expense of an aircraft that it had no competition with, and seem to be attempting to start a flame war to do so.

The 190/P-47 debates I can understand, as both aircraft fought eachother regularly, and were widely considered equal aircraft.

The P-51, P-47 debate I can understand, as both aircraft served as both ground attack aircraft, and escort fighters in the same airforce, at the same time, and competed for resources and procurements.

This debate I cannot understand. The P-47 and the Typhoon were complementary aircraft. Each aircraft fullfilled its roll for allied airforces, and did so quite well. Neither airforce has access to the other aircraft, and frankly neither airforce would have been well advised to use the other aircraft, due to a combination of supply, training, and mission requirements among other things. They never fought eachother, they never competed, they barely even fought in the same battles.

So, why this vehemence toward the P-47 of all planes? I just don't get it. Why that plane?

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 03:03 AM
Typhoonmk1b

Yes, why? You should be ragging on the Fw190. That would make sense. The same guys that fly/like the P-47 will probably fly the Typhoon too. I know I will. So, What's your point in all this?

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 03:37 AM
its all in the spirit of a little freindly competition but ill take your advice and switch my argument from Typhoon/p47 to typhoon/190 , as they did engage each other quite regularly in 1942/1943. so 190 lovers , soon well see how a typhoon and a 190 match up

sorry all p47 lovers for any upset i might have caused



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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 03:48 AM
Typhoonmk1b wrote:
- its all in the spirit of a little freindly
- competition but ill take your advice and switch my
- argument from Typhoon/p47 to typhoon/190 , as they
- did engage each other quite regularly in 1942/1943.
- so 190 lovers , soon well see how a typhoon and a
- 190 match up
-
- sorry all p47 lovers for any upset i might have
- caused
-

Well the main reason the Typhoon wasn't cancled immediatly after the poor flight trials and tail problems was because it was the only British fighter in 1941/42 that was capable of stopping the 190 raiders, while Supermarine scrambled to get the Mk IX ready.

Harry Voyager

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 04:31 AM
"The P-47-27 is not a "primary" plane? then whats a 190? an Addon?"

So you're expecting to get an immediate response on ordnance update for a plane released a couple of versions ago, when other planes released couple games ago still haven't got theirs?

In your dreams, friend.





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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 04:44 AM
hey Typhoonmk1b, the heck with that typhoon, bring on the Tempest Mk V

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 04:49 AM
i shall NEVER abandon the ways of HAWKER TYPHOON



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DISPELLING THE MYTH OF 190 SUPREMECY SINCE 1885

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 04:57 AM
Just to way in on the Typhoon thing going on here. Tempest/Typhoon is definately my favorite but its definately not worth trying to have P47 versus Typhoon/Tempest debates when the two aircraft were complementary in many respects...both being feared by German convoys and tank groups by the sheer devastation a squadron of either aircraft could accomplish.

Both fighters served in the majority of the airwar and both deserve respect in history for different reasons.

I do indeed want to have some fun with the 190 pilots out there (I'm one of those right now) because the Typhoon and Tempest were so closely matched with those guys in level flight and turn speed (but not roll rate). Should be interesting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 05:04 AM
If the tail of that Typhoon doesn't break off following the Jug in a dive../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Panther


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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 04:29 PM
Typhoonmk1b wrote:................

- The Typhoon's finest hour came late in the summer of
- 1944, when the Allied army faced the massed German
- Panzer divisions at Caen and Falaise. Typhoons of
- the 2nd Tactical Airforce relentlessly attacked the
- trapped German 7th Army for 12 days straight. With
- its high ordnance loads and superb speed the "Tiffy"
- could be ripping overhead in an instant, delivering
- bombs and rockets with devastating effect. In a
- single attack the "Tiffies" destroyed 137 tanks,
- effectively breaking the back of the German force.
- This opened the way for the Allied breakout and
- effectively ended the battle for France. This was
- followed by spectacular attacks on the German 15th
- Army Headquarters in Dordrecht.

In Pocket in the area the American planes were ORDERD TO HOLD BACK AT TIMES let the britsh attack to keep the britsh happy much to thier frustration.

I personally admire the tiffie and like both but the
The 47 is my favorite. I do not see why you have such a
virlient view.

http://www.aero-web.org/history/wwii/d-day/8.htm


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