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MK2aw
09-19-2004, 08:11 PM
Can anyone give me a few pointers or point me in the right direction on how to effectively fly the Me 262? I do not mean tactics in combat, I mean quite literally fly.

I flame my engines every time. I guess I can not apply full throttle?

Any help appreciated.

Mk2aw

[This message was edited by MK2aw on Sun September 19 2004 at 07:27 PM.]

MK2aw
09-19-2004, 08:11 PM
Can anyone give me a few pointers or point me in the right direction on how to effectively fly the Me 262? I do not mean tactics in combat, I mean quite literally fly.

I flame my engines every time. I guess I can not apply full throttle?

Any help appreciated.

Mk2aw

[This message was edited by MK2aw on Sun September 19 2004 at 07:27 PM.]

Slick750
09-19-2004, 08:20 PM
If throttle up too fast the engines fail/burn. Just do it progresively.

LuftWulf190
09-19-2004, 08:21 PM
Well if your flaming your engines your throttling up to fast.

Jason Bourne
09-19-2004, 08:22 PM
only apply the throttle in about 3-5 % per second, this will prevent the engines from flameing out. its acutally faster then that, but you just need to practice, also, if you are taking off, hold the breaks, then ramp up slowly, you need to be careful though on full throttle going to slow, cuase the engines WILL overheat that way

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MK2aw
09-19-2004, 08:26 PM
Thanks guys!

I'm headed off to my storm bird!

Mk2aw

VW-IceFire
09-19-2004, 10:07 PM
Throttle slowly and cruise at 70% or 80%. If you REALLY need the power goto 90% or 95% but even at 80% you can gather quite a bit of speed.

The Me-262 doesn't dogfight...its straight ahead and its very aerodynamic so it picks up speed and provided you don't yank and bank, it'll keep that speed. Thats the tricks to it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2004, 11:26 PM
Very generally, if you are over 50% or 60% throttle you can jam it back and forth no problem, below that, you can flame an engine doing jamming throttle. Be gentle when below 50% throttle.

Actually, its not the throttle that you need to watch, but a cockpit guage ... pressure or something...don't fly 262 much and I forgot what that guage was. Me~262 Aces here will tell you what guage to work engines without flaming them.

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Korolov
09-19-2004, 11:50 PM
General Rules for Me-262 engine management:

The two big RPM dials on the right side of the cockpit are indicators of the engine speed. When you start them, they'll be near the lowest point. After starting the engines, carefully zero the throttle and ensure both engines are running at the same RPM, otherwise you'll have problems. Once engines are fully running and RPM is equal, slowly throttle up to 50%, then 80%. Make sure you're standing on the brakes so you don't zoom off. You have to go at about 80% power to taxi otherwise you'll be unable to steer. Through the entire taxi run, you have to be on the brakes to steer until you get up to speed, at which point you don't need to stand on them anymore.

Throttle to 100% to takeoff, and ignore the overheat warnings; after you're in the air and have the speed, about 250kmh, you can throttle back to 80% and the overheat warning will go away. You'll find 80% is enough power for most instances, and above that is what would be considered your "emergency" power.

Don't hold the overheat for two long - the yellow guages below the RPM guages, which read temperature in celsius - if the engines hold into the red for too long, the engines will flameout and provide little to no power, which is a bad situation. I lost a 262 to two La-7s in this fashion one time, because I cooked the engines and they lit one up. I barely landed at a abandoned strip before it blew.

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Fehler
09-20-2004, 03:33 AM
Alright, here is the exact procedure to start and fly the 262.

1. Start each engine separately.

2. Throttle up both at the same time.

3. (This is why you are flaming the engine) Under 6000 RPM you must be slow to spool up the engines. Once over 6000 RPM, you can be as ham fisted with the throttle as you want. But 6000 RPM is the key! (Which is historically accurate)

4. Once you take off, you will need to keep the throttle around 80% until you build up speed. This will allow the engines to stay cool.

5. The faster you go, the more throttle you can apply. If you are in the 500 KPH range, you can fly 100% all day long.

In my opinion, landing is more difficult in this plane that taking off. You have to have a good clear idea of the glide slope and have a great deal of patience. Remember that there is a point of no return because your RPM will drop under 6000 at some point, so accelerating from a poor approach is not a viable option. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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NorrisMcWhirter
09-20-2004, 10:10 AM
Hi,

My 262 start up guide:

1. Select both engines.
2. Set throttle to 5%
3. Select engine 1, start it.
4. Select engine 2, start it.
5. Check RPM gauges that both engines have started (or swing your head around to listen to each engine running).
6. Select both engines.
7. Slowly throttle up (over ~10 seconds) to 40%
8. Taxi, using the brake to keep your speed down/to turn.
9. On runway, slowly throttle up to 95% (take about 10s to get there - patience is a virtue with the 262).
10. When speed is about 80kmh, set flaps to take off.
11. Take off...with a gentle rotation.
12. Raise flaps and gear.

Other points:
a. Watch out throttling down to below 30% as the engines often die and need restarting.
b. Always throttle up slowly (10s from 30% to 100%)
c. When you are fast, your engines are cooled nicely.
d. Running your engines at > 90% leaves a nice smoke trail which may look impressive but also alerts people to your presence.

Cheers,
Norris

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BSS_Goat
09-20-2004, 10:14 AM
You can take your throttle off slider (use slider for trim, not bat turning, TRIM) and use + an - keys for throttle. That way it increases and decreases in increments and makes it hard to flame engines.

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NorrisMcWhirter
09-20-2004, 10:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
You can take your throttle off slider (use slider for trim, not bat turning, TRIM) and use + an - keys for throttle. That way it increases and decreases in increments and makes it hard to flame engines.

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Hi,

This is a good tip and something that I used to do....until I kept instinctively going for the throttle when in trouble and THEN flamed the engines...! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,
Norris

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Willey
09-20-2004, 07:46 PM
A little exploit:

Set throttle to 50%. Start 1, start 2, hold brakes. They'll both fire up to 6000+ rpm then. Don't touch the throttle at that time. Then just use brakes and rudder to steer on the ground. If you time the brakes correctly you won't even need to adjust the throttle. Then take off with 100% (lift off with TO flaps), but soon after airborne, lower to 50% again. It's enough to keep it up with flaps and will cool it down quickly. You're up quite quicker then, which is essential sometimes. Throttle up to 100 again and raise flaps. At 400-500 TAS (yellow needle) again cool down at 80%, then either climb with 90% @ 400-500 or get up to 600+ TAS with 100%. Overheats:

100% &lt;~620 TAS
95% &lt;~520 TAS
90% &lt;~420 TAS
85% &lt;~320 TAS
80% never

FI-Aflak
09-20-2004, 08:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
A little exploit:

Set throttle to 50%. Start 1, start 2, hold brakes. They'll both fire up to 6000+ rpm then. Don't touch the throttle at that time. Then just use brakes and rudder to steer on the ground. If you time the brakes correctly you won't even need to adjust the throttle. Then take off with 100% (lift off with TO flaps), but soon after airborne, lower to 50% again. It's enough to keep it up with flaps and will cool it down quickly. You're up quite quicker then, which is essential sometimes. Throttle up to 100 again and raise flaps. At 400-500 TAS (yellow needle) again cool down at 80%, then either climb with 90% @ 400-500 or get up to 600+ TAS with 100%. Overheats:

100% &lt;~620 TAS
95% &lt;~520 TAS
90% &lt;~420 TAS
85% &lt;~320 TAS
80% never<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It'll overheat at 80% if you do a hammerhead (TAS=0)

Anywho, I agree, you can cruies at 85-90% power easily, and get some wicked speed. I think 85 and up you get flames, and 90 and up you get smoke trails. Smoke trails are bad.

ANother thing, above 60 or 70% throttle, you can whip that power lever around without worrying about damaging the engines . . . its under that critical number that you run into problems. ON the P-80, the throttle sensitivity lasts over the entire power range, on teh german jets they are fine over 60 or so percent power.


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ElektroFredrik
09-21-2004, 09:14 AM
Small correction. Engines smoke at 95% throttle.
That's why I usually fly at 94% http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif and use those
extra 6% as boost when I'm in trouble or for
low-level racing. Doing 800-850 kph at 10m (or lower)
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Also above 60-70% throttle need not be slow. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Osirisx9
09-24-2004, 11:56 AM
I think there is Jet server running on HL for you Kerosene sniffers