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Cardinal25
02-29-2004, 01:33 PM
Did you ever find out if the P-38 was equiped with the K-14?

A little K-14 discussion:
http://acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=280526#280526

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Cardinal25
02-29-2004, 01:33 PM
Did you ever find out if the P-38 was equiped with the K-14?

A little K-14 discussion:
http://acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=280526#280526

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necrobaron
02-29-2004, 04:05 PM
Apparently, a few were retrofitted with K-14s in the field,but evidently it couldn't be established to Oleg's satisfaction that this was the norm. Therefore, our Lightnings won't have them.

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[This message was edited by necrobaron on Sun February 29 2004 at 03:40 PM.]

VW-IceFire
02-29-2004, 04:23 PM
http://www.il2sturmovik.de/ss_addon_4/sshot90.jpg

Mmmmm....correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this a K-14 gunsight? Thats from the German site under the P-38L. This is another one thats under the P-51 (but that incorrectly lists the gunsight):

http://www.il2sturmovik.de/ss_addon_4/sshot88.jpg

Those both look different then the other gunsight types. Please do correct if I'm wrong.

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Korolov
02-29-2004, 04:25 PM
Old picture, Ice. The L will have same cockpit as J.

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VW-IceFire
02-29-2004, 04:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Old picture, Ice. The L will have same cockpit as J.

http://www.mechmodels.com/images/newsig1.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well there we are then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A bit of a shame but ahh it doesn't matter either way. I practice precision gunnery no matter what the reticle looks like or does http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kamikaze_Gibbon
02-29-2004, 05:17 PM
Is the K-14 the "ace maker" predictive gunsight? (Sorry for my random ignorance - I blame too much alcohol! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif)

Gibbage1
02-29-2004, 08:14 PM
The K-14 was removed from the P-38. It now has the standard N-9.

BS87
02-29-2004, 10:23 PM
Awsome. I actually like the N-9 better than the K-14 (from what i see in the pictures, And the N-9 to me right now is really good)

Gibbage1
02-29-2004, 11:32 PM
Trust me. You would wish for the K-14 once you play with it in the P-80 and P-51

Korolov
02-29-2004, 11:40 PM
Ah, we'll make do. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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BS87
03-01-2004, 12:26 AM
So, Is the P51 D getting a K14 varient and an N9 varient, or is the D just going to switch over ot all K14?

faustnik
03-01-2004, 12:52 AM
From "The Mighty Eigth War Manual" page 234:

"The K-14 was the fighter version (of the gyro computing sight), first received for trial installations in July 1944 and progressively installed in as many fighter aircraft as possible after August, replacing all other types of sight. It was fitted on production P-47s from January and on P-51s from March 1945."

It then lists model and aircraft type together:

"K-14 - P-47D and P-51B, C &D & K conversions for cockpits.

K-14A - From P-47D-35RA & P-47M, P-51D-20-NT & P-51D-25-NA cockpits."


But, this list is 8th AF and most of the P-38's were in the 9th, right? So, maybe some P-38s were converted too.

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necrobaron
03-01-2004, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BS87:
So, Is the P51 D getting a K14 varient and an N9 varient, or is the D just going to switch over ot all K14?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We already have the N-9 equipped varient and I'd assume that we'll keep it in addition to the K-14 equipped varient we're getting. Just a guess though....

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Cardinal25
03-01-2004, 08:41 AM
I imagine that we'll have an option for both. I think most will ban the K-14 planes from their servers anyway.

Are we getting the P-47/K-14 option?

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CaptainGelo
03-01-2004, 09:18 AM
I WANT k-14 IN MY p-38!!!!

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Cardinal25
03-01-2004, 09:29 AM
Doesn't look like that is happening mate.

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CaptainGelo
03-01-2004, 09:33 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif now when it was made, why did they removed it??? Germans getting TA152 why cant we get smal thing like K-14 gusight in p-38 when it must be there, why dont they remove mk108cannon in Ta152 then, it'll be the same! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Baltar
03-01-2004, 09:39 AM
Since the game is expanding into 1946 'what ifs', the real question isn't 'did the p38s have the k-14 in sufficient numbers during the war?' its 'would they have been deployed with k-14s in sufficient numbers in this ficticious alternate war scenario we are setting up?'

Cardinal25
03-01-2004, 09:39 AM
That is a question for Oleg.

I'd like to see a K-14 option for 38's as well. The Luftwhiners would be up in arms though.

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faustnik
03-01-2004, 09:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cardinal25:
That is a question for Oleg.

I'd like to see a K-14 option for 38's as well. The Luftwhiners would be up in arms though.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not if we can find a historic example. Keep looking! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Also, I will post the P-47/K-14 in ORR.

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BuzzU
03-01-2004, 10:29 AM
Since when did we need sufficient numbers to get something? We have the Mig3U. I don't understand Oleg sometimes.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
03-01-2004, 12:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
Since when did we need sufficient numbers to get something? We have the Mig3U. I don't understand Oleg sometimes.

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I don't either, but I'm still very pleased with the product he and his mates have given to us. since IL2 it's been over 2 years and I'm still flying/playing with sustained enthusiasm. I'm not insinuating you are dissatisfied Buzz I'm simply using your quote as fodder for a rebuttal. There are bugs and some issues that can and are being exposed, but the support and desire (here I can only speculate) to improve on them is genuine.

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1.JaVA_Razer
03-01-2004, 01:13 PM
I'd like the K 14 also
and not because I suck at doghfights (because I don't suck,not annymore(practice rules http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ))
but because it is a thing that WAS used. besides,nifty thing to plat with
only ptoblem is that we'll need to assing EVEN MORE keys to get the configuration right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
althuogh we could use the same keys as the bombers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cess-Harp
03-01-2004, 01:18 PM
I'm not going to complain. It is going to be great no matter what we get , IMHO .

BS87
03-01-2004, 03:12 PM
I dont care if we do get the K14, but i'd lke an option to use the N9 or K14, or diff planes with diff sights, that way the server admins have the option to turn them off, I.E. if the server is running an early 44 planeset

Vladimir_No2
03-01-2004, 04:57 PM
There is no point to complaining, once it is done, oleg will not change it. It seems that once he comes to his own conculsions, he will ignore all evidence that shows otherwise.

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Gibbage1
03-01-2004, 05:07 PM
Look. Oleg and I BOTH came to the conclusion that it would be "more" historically accurate to NOT have the K-14 gunsight in it. The aircraft in IL2 represents the "typical" aircraft of that model in WWII. Even though yes, only 6 Mig 3U's flew, the Mig 3U represents the "typical" Mig 3U that did fly. There were THOUSANDS of P-38's built, and 99.9% of the J's and L's had N-9's. We cant model for just the .1% that way MAYBE field-modded. Also its not a question of how many, but the data. The K-14 had a lot of controles to it. We had no referances of were they would have been placed in the P-38 with them in it.

When its all said it done, we need to model for the "average" and what we have referances for.

Gib