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RocketDog
06-06-2004, 03:59 AM
The P-47's cockpit is far below the standards of the other aircraft. The polygonal gunsight and flourescent textures are so crude that it actually deters me from flying the aircraft.

The P-47 is going to be a key aircraft in PF, so it would be nice to see it broought up to the standards set by other recent additions that are likely to be transported into PF (P-40, P-38, P-51 etc.).

Is there any chance of this cockpit being redone?

Regards,

RocketDog.

RocketDog
06-06-2004, 03:59 AM
The P-47's cockpit is far below the standards of the other aircraft. The polygonal gunsight and flourescent textures are so crude that it actually deters me from flying the aircraft.

The P-47 is going to be a key aircraft in PF, so it would be nice to see it broought up to the standards set by other recent additions that are likely to be transported into PF (P-40, P-38, P-51 etc.).

Is there any chance of this cockpit being redone?

Regards,

RocketDog.

BigKahuna_GS
06-06-2004, 06:30 AM
S!

I dont care about the cockpit as long as they give me the P47N model that goes 467mph at 33,000ft and has a roll rate of 100degres a second and it was the most manueverable of all P47s with the P47D-30 body style.

Thats what i want http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WE should have the P47M 470+mph at 33,200ft in FB/AEP right now, it saw more action than the Ta152 ever did and the both of them would make for a good high alt fight.


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Robert S. Johnson :
It's pretty simple, really. Know the absolute limits of your plane's capabilities.
Know its strengths and weaknesses. Know the strengths and weaknesses of you enemy's fighters. Never fight the way your enemy fights best. Always fight the way you fight best. Never be predictable.

In "Fighter Aces," aviation historians Raymond Tolliver
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Werner Molders was the first ace to score 100 aerial victories and Erich Hartmann is the top scoring ace of all time with 352.

The authors noted that
Johnson "emerges impressively from this comparison." He downed 28 planes in 91 sorties, while Molders took 142 sorties to do the same, and Hartmann, 194.
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peterm1
06-07-2004, 05:50 AM
Sadly I agree with the original post. I don't wish to be too critical (ie I only wish I had half the skills of thew guys who do the modelling) but the P47 pit could use an upgrade and it deters me from flying it. It seems to me that while there are hardcore skinners who would not much care if the cockpits were drawn in black and white crayon so long as they can fly competitive shoot em up coop missions, many players like me lobve the immersion factor and this is what draws us to IL-2 nad its offshoots.

jensenpark
06-07-2004, 06:09 AM
he is correct, the Jug's cockpit looks 'off' compared to the other cockpits of the game.

While the others you get a sense of immersion, the Jug's cockpit just leaves you with a sense of CFS3

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Jambock__01
06-07-2004, 10:46 AM
Hi all

I worked in the P-47 project. Walter Pedrão made the 3D models and cockpit, and JHAT made the textures.

At the release of FB, the P-47 cockpit was great, but with the new planes we get, it became a lil bit "off", i agree. Thats why we asked Oleg to send us the model again for a rework at those textures and probably new mapping. Its a lot of work, but Leonardo Kyrodus, aka Jambock__20 is working on it. Be sure, the guy is a master, one of the best on our community with 3D Max studio.

He is working at the Pipper L4-H Grasshopper too.

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RocketDog
06-07-2004, 11:15 AM
That's great news Jambock,

Best wishes for your future work.

Regards,

RocketDog.

CHDT
06-07-2004, 11:57 AM
WOuld it be too possible to change the virtual camera view of the pilot?

Because it's a pain now to look at the instruments, because the pilot is much too near the instrument panel.

Something like in the P-51 cockpit would be perfect.

Cheers,

VW-IceFire
06-07-2004, 04:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jambock__01:
Hi all

I worked in the P-47 project. Walter Pedrão made the 3D models and cockpit, and JHAT made the textures.

At the release of FB, the P-47 cockpit was great, but with the new planes we get, it became a lil bit "off", i agree. Thats why we asked Oleg to send us the model again for a rework at those textures and probably new mapping. Its a lot of work, but Leonardo Kyrodus, aka Jambock__20 is working on it. Be sure, the guy is a master, one of the best on our community with 3D Max studio.

He is working at the Pipper L4-H Grasshopper too.

http://www.gavca.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey, thanks for the update. How far are you guys taking the optimization? Will it be for PF only or will it be retrofitted to AEP as well?

I'm glad that you guys are being afforded the opportunity to do this...the P-47 right now is simply great. Everything that it was...it'll be nice to have a updated cockpit in the end. Thanks!

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SKULLS_Exec01
06-07-2004, 05:04 PM
I love the P-47 model and the cockpit seems fine to me - so anything you guys do will make the good into the GREAT!!!!

Any chance the programers will fix the heavy rocking motion on taxing, even on a smooth strip the tires bounce a foot off the ground at low speed??

heywooood
06-07-2004, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CHDT:
WOuld it be too possible to change the virtual camera view of the pilot?

Because it's a pain now to look at the instruments, because the pilot is much too near the instrument panel.

Something like in the P-51 cockpit would be perfect.

Cheers,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you tried &lt;shift + F1&gt; key? - combined with &lt;page down&gt; key you get a descent view forward.

Good news on the P47 pit redo... I didn't find it quite so repulsive as some, but then there seem to be a few perfectionists around just lately.

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Jambock__20
06-07-2004, 08:01 PM
Hello, guys!

I think my mate Jambock__01 and the rest of you guys said pretty much everything there is to say. I, at first, intend on working only on the mapping and textures of the cockpit. I think that major improvements can be made to match the current quality of cockpits we have today on FB just by reworking on the textures. I don't plan on working the 3D meshes of the cockpit just yet, only if the Maddox team finds it convenient for them. That also applies for the pilot view, I don't plan on touching it. In fact, we only contacted them once to ask for the model, which came right away without questioning.

We already have massive research and references on the P-47 cockpit, but i call anyone who has some more material on it to send them to me (lcleite@superig.com.br). The more, the merier.

So, to wrap it up, the project will become more and more of a reality as soon as I put my lazy *** to work on it... lol... And hopping that the Maddox team and the community likes it, of course.

About the L4 Grasshopper, the model is being done by Marc Marbot, and he's doing a dang well job on it. I'm just unwrapping and texturing it. =)

Hope to have news very soon!

Senta a Pua!

ImpStarDuece
06-07-2004, 08:12 PM
Best news ive heard all week! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
My favourite bird is going to get a rework!

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heywooood
06-07-2004, 09:10 PM
Grasshopper! Hey - if they give the pilot a sidearm and also Fiesler Storch becomes flyable - we can have bushpilot dogfights.

I love 1c developers and modders community!

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Diablo310th
06-10-2004, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jambock__20:
Hello, guys!

I think my mate Jambock__01 and the rest of you guys said pretty much everything there is to say. I, at first, intend on working only on the mapping and textures of the cockpit. I think that major improvements can be made to match the current quality of cockpits we have today on FB just by reworking on the textures. I don't plan on working the 3D meshes of the cockpit just yet, only if the Maddox team finds it convenient for them. That also applies for the pilot view, I don't plan on touching it. In fact, we only contacted them once to ask for the model, which came right away without questioning.

We already have massive research and references on the P-47 cockpit, but i call anyone who has some more material on it to send them to me (lcleite@superig.com.br). The more, the merier.

So, to wrap it up, the project will become more and more of a reality as soon as I put my lazy *** to work on it... lol... And hopping that the Maddox team and the community likes it, of course.

About the L4 Grasshopper, the model is being done by Marc Marbot, and he's doing a dang well job on it. I'm just unwrapping and texturing it. =)

Hope to have news very soon!

Senta a Pua!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is great news Jambock_20. Luthier awhile back had said he would redo the cockpit of teh Jug. I'm glad to see it's happening. Any new updates as to when it might be available?? and how we would d/l it???

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jensenpark
06-10-2004, 10:46 AM
great news.

By the way, what is a Jambock?

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Jambock__01
06-10-2004, 04:37 PM
Jambock is the radio call for the 1st Brazilian Fighter Squadron (350th FG, XII Air Command, Italy, 1944/45, based at Tarquinia and Pisa). Our virtual squad use this callsign with numbers from 01 to 40.

The 1st Brazilian Fi. Sq was the 1st alied squad in ground objectives of the XII Air Command, and received the Presidential Unit Citation for their efforts flyng the P-47.

So, Jambocks are brazilian pilots and It's an african word for "whip" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.gavca.com/gallery/albums/diversas/SP.jpg (http://www.gavca.com)

PlaneEater
06-10-2004, 04:57 PM
Alright, so what does 'Senta a Pua!' mean? I fed it through BabelFish and got gibberish.

Jambock__01
06-10-2004, 05:39 PM
Senta a Pua! is the squad war cry. Every time they attack, they call "Senta a Pua!" at the radio. (And we do the same http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

The New York times give it the beter translation i can give you: Hit Them Hard!

Its a 40' age slang. "Pua" means "spur", so its something like "lay the spur" or "attack with spurs"http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW, the armed ostrich is not a brazilian animal... They adopted the bird because brazilian pilots hate the american food, so they feel like ostrich eating anything heheheh

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Copperhead310th
06-10-2004, 05:52 PM
Jambocks are ther any thoughts or plans of maybe adding a few new vertions of the P-47?

Like maybe a P-47D-40-RE or a D-16- RE?
there are no changes in the cockpit from the D-20 to the D-40-RE models. the only change i noticed was the Fillet down the spin of the fusalage. in talking with the pilot he said there were no changes that he new of except that. I didn't ask what gunsight was in the D-40-RE K-14 maybe? I have some good pics i think i took last week at Wings of Victory of the D-40-RE. just need to get them on CD. What we really need is a late war p-47 (pre M or N Model) & a P-47-B or P-47C. then again a D-16-RE would be good to for early war.

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Jambock__01
06-10-2004, 07:28 PM
I realy would like to see the D-40 in game. All we have to do is add the dorsal fillet. BTW, we based the original model in a real brazilian warbird, a preserved D-40.

95% of all P-47 who didnt had, received the dorsal fillet in field mods during the WWII.

The diference from D-25 to D-27 is this. The D-27 have the dorsal fillet from the factory (SECOND BLOCK!), D-25 model dont.

Walter Pedrão made the D-40 with the others 3 models, or the boubletop airframe with the dorsal fillet, its the same, but Oleg didnt add the model as all you know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When they released the P-51 D-5 i exchanged several mails with Oleg to show the D-5 model was wrong. D-5 dont have the dorsal fillet "originaly" (as the P-47 development), and he sustained that change the model will cause skins incompatibility with D-20. then, he released a lil note at the patch read-me, thats all.

Maybe, for the same reason, he dont whant to give us the dorsal fillet P-47 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

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Copperhead310th
06-11-2004, 06:32 PM
if you already have the d-40 COMPLEATED try again. this time go thru Luthier. If you can find him that is.

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CHDT
06-12-2004, 01:38 AM
" Have you tried &lt;shift + F1&gt; key? - combined with &lt;page down&gt; key you get a descent view forward.
"

Heywood, what a clever idea, I would never have imagined such a solution! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

More seriously, to the P-47 cockpit model builder, the camera view is now not so good. You're too high and too near to the instrument panel and it's a pain to look at the instruments because of the too high inclination of the eyeline.

It would be a pity to model a new beautiful cockpit for the P-47 and not be able to see the instruments panel in a good way like in the Mustang or the P-40.

Cheers,

heywooood
06-12-2004, 04:36 PM
awright - ya got me... the darn POV is way too close in the jug, ain't it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

t'would be nice if they could fix it.

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jensenpark
06-13-2004, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jambock__01:
Jambock is the radio call for the 1st Brazilian Fighter Squadron (350th FG, XII Air Command, Italy, 1944/45, based at Tarquinia and Pisa). Our virtual squad use this callsign with numbers from 01 to 40.

The 1st Brazilian Fi. Sq was the 1st alied squad in ground objectives of the XII Air Command, and received the Presidential Unit Citation for their efforts flyng the P-47.

So, Jambocks are brazilian pilots and It's an african word for "whip" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.gavca.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

cool...thanks for the info. Always wondered what it from from.

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Buzz Beurling flying his last sortie over Malta, Oct.24, 1942