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CHDT
06-08-2004, 02:14 PM
With inedite footage, really good.

http://www.acealpha.com/jaryoo/files/1391_6[1].wmv

17 megas, worth to download!

Cheers,

CHDT
06-08-2004, 02:14 PM
With inedite footage, really good.

http://www.acealpha.com/jaryoo/files/1391_6[1].wmv

17 megas, worth to download!

Cheers,

NegativeGee
06-08-2004, 03:43 PM
Wow, that is impressive footage.

I just wish I understood the Japanese subtitles http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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MEGILE
06-08-2004, 04:15 PM
Absolutly amazing.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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ElAurens
06-08-2004, 04:49 PM
Even though I have seen most of that footage at one time or another, the way it is presented here really got to me.

War is a tragic waste.

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Aztek_Eagle
06-08-2004, 05:02 PM
I HOPe they too see this videa and take for consideration the reduction of the tracers, wich are exageratily visible and sharp, and that cause fps to drop alot.....

CHDT
06-08-2004, 05:30 PM
Yes, please don't answer to Aztec_something!

Giganoni
06-08-2004, 05:46 PM
It is pretty sobering though to think about it. On a video game its fun, in a movie its cool, but somehow watching people die on that video was kind of depressing. I don't know, maybe it was the music.

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CHDT
06-08-2004, 06:16 PM
Yes, I think too it is very emotive, with this sad music and the Japanese voices. In fact, the texts are some extracts of the last letters of these pilots to their families.

Cheers,

owlwatcher
06-08-2004, 07:33 PM
Great video.

My father had been on the USS BunkerHill.
I saw a CVE,Essex CVs and one BB taking hits.
Wonder what ships are in the footage?
Can anyone translate what is written?

Alot of ships took hits this way during the war.
The BBs seem to brush them off. The CVs and DDs really suffered.

When this type of weapon was introduced it really changed things for the US military.

Upgrades because of the Kamikaze threat.
added 20mm but were considered obsolete by war ends
Air Groups lost dive bombers and replaced by fighters.
40mms added considereded obsolete was to be replaced by 3 inche gun.
5"/38s to be replaced by 5"/(54s)if I remember rightly.
F8 Bearcat was designed just for this threat.
The US Navy was lucky that at least there were good weapons in the field to deal with this threat.

Aztek_Eagle
06-08-2004, 08:17 PM
From crazyivan: Your first warning - please don`t get second one

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Seafire_LIII
06-09-2004, 03:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by owlwatcher:
Great video.

My father had been on the USS BunkerHill.
I saw a CVE,Essex CVs and one BB taking hits.
Wonder what ships are in the footage?
Can anyone translate what is written?

Alot of ships took hits this way during the war.
The BBs seem to brush them off. The CVs and DDs really suffered.

When this type of weapon was introduced it really changed things for the US military.

Upgrades because of the Kamikaze threat.
added 20mm but were considered obsolete by war ends
Air Groups lost dive bombers and replaced by fighters.
40mms added considereded obsolete was to be replaced by 3 inche gun.
5"/38s to be replaced by 5"/(54s)if I remember rightly.
F8 Bearcat was designed just for this threat.
The US Navy was lucky that at least there were good weapons in the field to deal with this threat.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Royal Navy carriers had armoured decks. They brushed them off too.

Ruy Horta
06-09-2004, 06:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aztek_Eagle:
........... not making any political remark..... no matter for me if it was the president who said so or any other ppl... who ever compares ww2 wiht war on terror.. not from the political point... the numbers of ppl death.... i belive it is a high insult to the ppl who fough in ww2 for what was right and died, war on terror a crapy war in witch less than 1k have die in a year, wiht something that 1000 soliders would die in a single day of battle.... it is a stupid comparition... and in the political side... it is aswell stupid to compare.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although I do not agree with Bush on his policy, nor could I be called an admirer of his person in any sense (on the contrary), its hardly surprising that he uses any means to his disposal to kindle support for his (foreign) actions. If that includes reviving pictures of Kamikaze or Pearl Harbor, so be it, its the name of the game called propaganda. You cannot hold it against a politician that he plays all his cards, kissing babies and the pope's hiney included. Note this is meant as an ojective statement without adding the load of right or wrong, for or against. All politicians are created equal when it comes to this.

However I'd prefer a side step: I refuse to see the fundamentalist suicide bomber, who even amongst his own people represents a minority, in the same light as a Japanese Kamikaze volunteer.

I think that many of us, if the cause were total, have it in ourselves to be a Kamikaze in military terms. Japan saw their defeat as an end of their world, not only as a power, but as a culture, in a way they were right.

The pilot of the series "Space Above and Beyond", if I remember correctly, paid tribute to the Kamikaze by extending the choice to us all if it were earth and mankind we had to protect against anihilation by Aliens.

Would you be willing to give your life if it were a matter of saving earth?

I think I would...I think.

Despite the fact I despise religious fundamentalism of any kind, I find the madness of a fanatical muslim minority fighting a twisted version of a Jihad simmply not worthy of this Kamikaze parallel.

The one is an act of honor, the other an act of madness. It might be different if all of the Iraqi people were rising as one, and supporting these suicide attacks, but the fact is...they are not.

There will certainly be a number of people who will disagree with me here when it comes to honoring the Kamikaze, but it will not chance the fact that when it comes to the crunch, I cannot help but feel some kind of awe when I think of these men - an awe which is completely lacking when I think of Jihadis.

I am not Japanese, nor do I forget the way the Japanese conducted themselves during WW2, so its not a case of glorifying their deeds.

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MEGILE
06-09-2004, 07:29 AM
pleeeeease don't turn this into a political thread.. we all have strong beliefs.. but please, they just start arguments and flamezz..

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Ruy Horta
06-09-2004, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
Wow, that is impressive footage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BTW the best documentary that I ever saw on the subject was made by the BBC (I believe in 1995), aptly called: KAMIKAZE.

Especially the interview with a survivor (by not being allowed to sortie himself) who as a young naval officer put up the daily roster for the special attack unit to which he belonged, almost brought tears to my eyes (or perhaps it did cause a tear or two to slip).

The other side a US sailor who's reminiscence was equally strong, both the hate of the time and the wisdom of his current age, realising that the pieces of airman (t)he(y) once held as souvenirs belonged to someone's son...choking him up for a split second.

The BBC at its best, no spectacle, no excess baggage, but the basic facts. Fortunately it was done before the days of "docudrama".

Have a copy somewhere on VHS, think I'll try and dig it up, perhaps save it on dvd.

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Aztek_Eagle
06-09-2004, 02:13 PM
Has any one ever seen the video of the destroyer that blows up like an atombomb in the middle of the sea, cant remeber in witch sea battle it was but it was hit by a kamikaze and the explotion was impresive, i saw it in a documentrary long ago, may be 8 years....

NegativeGee
06-09-2004, 03:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhorta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
Wow, that is impressive footage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BTW the best documentary that I ever saw on the subject was made by the BBC (I believe in 1995), aptly called: KAMIKAZE.

Especially the interview with a survivor (by not being allowed to sortie himself) who as a young naval officer put up the daily roster for the special attack unit to which he belonged, almost brought tears to my eyes (or perhaps it did cause a tear or two to slip).

The other side a US sailor who's reminiscence was equally strong, both the hate of the time and the wisdom of his current age, realising that the pieces of airman (t)he(y) once held as souvenirs belonged to someone's son...choking him up for a split second.

The BBC at its best, no spectacle, no excess baggage, but the basic facts. Fortunately it was done before the days of "docudrama".

Have a copy somewhere on VHS, think I'll try and dig it up, perhaps save it on dvd.

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Ruy Horta<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a quick look over on the beebs history page- was this related to the programme you are thinking off?

BBC History: Kamikaze (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/japan_no_surrender_05.shtml)

I vaguely recall it (they interviewed an American sailor who said the Kamikaze attacks were the worst thing they endured during the whole war?) but definately remember a programme about the "human torpedos" the IJN launched from subs. Compelling stuff.

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Günther Rall

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crazyivan1970
06-09-2004, 05:15 PM
I can`t believe you people, i can post a picture of hot naked chick on this board and still you`ll manage to slip into politics? WTH?

Great video - rather sad to watch.

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heywooood
06-09-2004, 05:52 PM
I'm confused Ivan - When did you slip into a hot naked chic on this forum?... or did I..err. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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NegativeGee
06-09-2004, 06:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
I'm confused Ivan - When did you slip into a hot naked chic on this forum?... or did I..err. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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There was a semi-naked chick recently, but some muppet had stuck a plunger on her face and spoilt the effect http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Günther Rall

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BPLIzard
06-11-2004, 04:08 PM
Me, my sister and her son were able to translate this.

Woman: Although it was obvious the American Forces were more powerful than the Japanese Forces, the Japanese loaded their ships with fighter planes and hurled themselves altogether at the American ships.


(Man I) From the recollection of American Navy Roger Tatwrap (America Gun Kaiheitaiin Roja Tattorappu)

I am a Kamikaze. I had seen everything. I learned the piercing sensation in the stomach. Those people are resolved to die. I for one is also resolved to do so when I was enlisted. But the way they did it............



(ManII) Excerpt from Special Assault Squad Member Uehara Ryojo's Letter (Tokubetsu Kogekitai Taiin Uehara Ryojo no tegami yori)

A friend once told me of virtuous pilots in the skies. Pilots in control, with no mercy and feeling, nontheless with common sense.They would only aim at their enemies' flight decks like machine parts, attracted like magnets to their enemy ships. If one would only think with sense, the act was totally absurd. To put in other words they were mere suicidals. But the courage, I say could only be seen in a country with a spirit and soul....Japan. I have no right to say anything , but given a wish, I would like the citizens of Japan to make the country a Great One.


(Man III) From Special Assault Squad Member Uemura Masahisa's Letter to His Daughter Motoko (Tokubetsu Kogekitai Taiin Uemura Masahisa ga Musume Ni Okutta Tegami Yori)

Motoko, You often looked at my face and smiled. You had slept in my arms, and we also had bathed together. When you grow up and want to know about me, ask your mother. Your father is always watching over you. Be a kind person loved by everybody.

P.S. When you were born, the doll that you used to play with, I bring with me in my plane as an amulet. That way, you
are always with me.......

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JFC_Falcon5
06-11-2004, 04:17 PM
lol.

BPLIzard
06-11-2004, 04:22 PM
? LOL, what?

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sugaki
06-11-2004, 05:15 PM
EDIT: Doh, didn't know BPLIzard beat me to it. Just another translation then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Narration: Against the overwhelming dominance of US forces, Japan decided to carryout suicide attacks with planes carrying bombs, called Kamikaze.

US Navy Sailor Roger Tutrap: I saw kamikaze, I saw it all. It was a stomach-curling experience. They were ready to die. I was prepared to give my life too when I enlisted, but not in that way.

Uehara Ryouji, Kamikaze pilot: A kamikaze pilot is nothing but a single instrument, but they were individual friends to me as well. Machines that controlled airplanes--without personality, without ideology without a rationale--they are like a single particle within the magnet of their planes, drawn toward the steel of enemy capital ships. If they were rational decisions, it's unthinkable. If anything it's as some kamikaze have said themselves: they are committing suicide. A mentality and spirit that could only be seen in Japan. Without any right to oppose, all we can do is plead to that the people would strive to build a great country.

Uemura Masahisa, Kamikaze pilot: Motoko. Motoka used to laugh a seeing my face. She'd sleep in my arms, and we even took a bath together. When Motoko grows up and asks about me, your mom will tell you "Your dad will always be watching you and protecting you." Grow up to be nice and respectful adult Motoko. When Motoko was born she had a doll as a present. I have put the doll in my plane as a talisman, so we'll always be together.

CHDT
06-12-2004, 12:05 PM
Thanks for the translation, Sugaki and BPlizard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jensenpark
06-13-2004, 11:53 AM
pretty amazing video.

Must have been terifying sitting in the ships waiting for these to come down - or of course piloting one of those flying bombs.
Amazed any got through all that flak. Like a curtain...

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owlwatcher
06-13-2004, 02:22 PM
Quote from

http://www.cv6.org/1945/1945.htm

The Kamikaze, if he succeeded in penetrating a Task Force's cruiser and destroyer screen, was far more dangerous than an ordinary bomber or torpedo plane. Though usually flown by minimally trained pilots, Kamikazes were in a sense "smart" bombs, capable of waiting for the opportune moment to strike, and keeping up with every turn of their target. If they struck a ship - and 7% did - the disintegrating plane, burning fuel and plunging engine would inflict considerable damage beyond that caused by the bomb itself.



"and 7% did"

Penguin_PFF
06-13-2004, 05:48 PM
I feel a lot of things when I watch that clip, and I can't put it all into words.... The overriding thought is just that you know you're looking at video of real war... Fire and Death.

I can also see how they came up with the metaphor of cherry blossoms (i.e. dying flowers) for kamikaze. It is singularly apt.

The clip that really gets to me is the one that starts at about 1:40 into the video, where the incoming plane is quite close and it dives down to the right past the cameraman, and he follows it all the way in to impact. You know what's going to happen, and I'm sure HE knew, and you just have to accept the fact that there ain't **** you can do to stop it... At least one person is going to die, and probably a lot more.

Amazing footage, in any case, and a lot of it was new to me.

Cragger
06-14-2004, 12:38 AM
As Sea Fire pointed out the use of wooden flattops and without armored hangars to allow for much larger aircraft capacity was costly in it opened up a big vulnerablity to attacks from above. What saved alot of ships however was the exceptional damage control that USN had in place by that point in time. The worst Kamikaze was probably the USS Franklin, 2/3rds of her crew killed and the entire topdecks and superstructure a complete wreck and her remaining 1/3rd crew managed to put the fires out, stop the leakage and get her back to port. Afterwards she sailed to drydock on the east cost.

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