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Pancho74
09-02-2004, 09:20 AM
I love this game, but I would like to try a jet sim.....what's the best for you ??

Thanks.

Pancho74
09-02-2004, 09:20 AM
I love this game, but I would like to try a jet sim.....what's the best for you ??

Thanks.

tfu_iain1
09-02-2004, 09:27 AM
Lomac if your computer can handle it, i should think

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El Turo
09-02-2004, 09:28 AM
Mig Alley by Rowan!


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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Or, have you not seen or heard of LOMAC??



Edit: Also, check out Strike Fighters (just make sure you get all the patches up to date!) They are in the process of beta testing the latest release, due to go out "gold" any minute now. The good news is that it doesn't take a cray computer to run with good frames.



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Pancho74
09-02-2004, 11:17 AM
Thank you very much for the advice !!

SkyChimp
09-02-2004, 11:21 AM
MiG Alley was terrific. It's still good if you can stand the graphics. If the graphics were updated, it's still be a great sim. Good FMs.

I also like Strike Fighters. Probably the most stable sim I've ever run, and just plain fun.

I played LOMAC for about a month and then uninstalled it.

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Scen
09-02-2004, 11:26 AM
LOMAC and Falcon 4 are the best out there


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buz13
09-02-2004, 11:29 AM
Strike Fighters Project 1 started out as a mess but with patches and MODDERS it's become one of the best. SFP1 Gold should be out soon.

Mig Alley- old but still very good.

El Turo
09-02-2004, 11:58 AM
The thing I LOVED about Mig Alley was the truly dynamic campaign. You tasked each flight with targets and according to how well you did on a given mission (or sequences of missions), were able to have an effect on the ground war.

Absolutely fantastic game. I tried to re-install it recently but had problems with the graphics.. I could get a title screen but when I launched the game, it would be a huge mess of colors and patterns. Completely useless.

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Mispunt
09-02-2004, 12:21 PM
What makes Strike Fighters so good now? I'm intersted to hear this from IL2 players. I got it too, played it a bit but shelved it soon after.

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Sharpe26
09-02-2004, 01:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mispunt:
What makes Strike Fighters so good now? I'm intersted to hear this from IL2 players. I got it too, played it a bit but shelved it soon after.

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what makes it so good? well, with sfp1 it's not just pushing buttons and letting fly. You have to maneuver to a certain extent before you can attempt a missile shot, and, there's not even a guarantee your missile will hit.

Zayets
09-02-2004, 01:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by El Turo:
The thing I LOVED about Mig Alley was the truly dynamic campaign. You tasked each flight with targets and according to how well you did on a given mission (or sequences of missions), were able to have an effect on the ground war.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See Falcon 4 same feature and more, probably the only sim in the world with a REAL dynamic campaign.

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Maj_Death
09-02-2004, 02:47 PM
LOMAC is the best modern one, but there isn't alot of compitition at the moment so that isn't really saying much. LOMAC has good FM's, good DM's and decent sensor operation. Its short commings are piss poor multiplayer, no campaign at all and mediocre mission builder. It also takes one of NASA's super computers in order to run at medium detail. Low detail still looks pretty damn good though, I'll give them that.

BTW, Falcon 4 didn't have a dynamic campaign, in fact it didn't have a campaign at all. A campaign ends when your pilot is KIA/MIA, falcon 4 would allow you to continue as a different pilot in your squad and so it wasn't really a campaign. It was a dynamic war though, people should call it that instead.

BTW again lol, Mig Alley was a great but it is so out of date I can't get myself to play it. I wish they would make a Mig Alley 2. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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james_ander
09-02-2004, 03:22 PM
I am trying to get into jet sims myself and here is what I have found. In the end, I always come back to IL2 and enjoy it so much more. I can't figure out why I don't enjoy jet sims nearly as much. Maybe, it's because I have not really played them long enough to master radar and weapons usage in any of them. Also, I find IL2 is the most immersive and there is nothing like taking your enemy apart piece by piece from short range with big chunks of lead. Here is my take on the jet sims I know:

LOMAC: Beautiful graphics, nice flight models, radar and weapons are well modelled and complex. Some are bothered by lack of dynamic campaign, but it doesn't bother me. Yes you need a decent system but not cutting edge to run in medium settings. I could never get into the "hypothetical conflict". A nice cold war scenario would be nice.

Falcon: A real do-it-yourselfer. You will need to first learn to choose and install from all the possible permutations and combinations of Falcon. Falcon's claim to fame is it's incredible realism. Radar and weapons usage is very realistic and complex. The campaigns are monsters where every sortie, aircraft, ground unit is doing its thing in real time and you are just one pilot in the whole vast thing. As you are flying to your target you are listening to another mission in progress over the radio in real pilot lingo. The graphics have improved immensely, but there are still some old school effects that remind you that it's beginnings were in 1998. That doesn't bother the people who truly like it. Also, that complex radar takes some work to learn, but that's the price you pay for so much realism.

Strike Fighters Project 1:
In my humble opinion this sim had the potential to be IL2 for jets, but was never finished to this level of detail. SF features 60's era jets. Graphics are very nice. Flight models seem decent. You get to drop napalm. Out of the box, SF is a big bummer. It is missing a lot of stuff. Missions are all randomly generated. The fictional setting is uninspiring. The whole thing has an unifinished feel. Luckily there have been a couple patches. There have also been a ton of user mods and add-ons that have improved this sim immensely. Every couple of weeks a new aircraft comes out. Some are great. Other add-oon aircraft behave as if gravity doesn't effect them. Also a number of terrains have been made including: Israel, Europe, Madagascar and Vietnam. I actually didn't play this sim much until someone made a mission editor. This changed this sim for me. Also, SF is the easiest to learn. Radar and weapons use is much easier, but less realistic and complex.

I fly all of these sims to some degree and enjoy them for different reasons. I always end up going back to IL2 and being impressed all over again. Hope this helps.

Xnomad
09-02-2004, 03:32 PM
The learning curve is steep when tactics are involved in jet sims. In IL-2 the FM is what you have to master in LOMAC it's the tactics (oh and I suppose the 300 keys).

Often I load a mission in LOMAC I take off and after a few mintues I hear missle warnings etc. and get so confused, usually I'm outnumbered too, I'm trying to shoot down 5 bogies and then they start to fire their missiles.

Then nothing but alarm bells and beeps, who is shooting at me? Where is he etc. And then bang there goes my engines, fire etc. At least with prop sims you know the guy needs to be close to shoot you so if you can't see him near you then you are safe.

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Hayter
09-02-2004, 06:45 PM
Can anyone point me in the right direction for Strike Fighter related goods? I got this game sitting in some far off shelf collecting heaps of dust. But I like dusting things off when bored.

609IAP_Recon
09-02-2004, 07:10 PM
I must disagree - Strike Fighters has been bad news since it came out.

I've never made it past 5 missions without it crashing for one thing.

Multiplayer is sad - there is not a good editor for it.

Don't waste your money on that one - sorry - I am a fan of flight sims, but when they 'beta' something for a year while one guys posts in the forums how good it is - but doesn't get released... sorry, not good imo.

I think companies have to be careful when they release something that is buggy from the start - it really casts a bad shadow over it and pushes consumers like me away.

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Dammerung
09-02-2004, 07:36 PM
Lock On. Wish Oleg n Crew would make a good Korean War Sim.

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LEXX_Luthor
09-02-2004, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Wish Oleg n Crew would make a good Korean War Sim.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Oleg should make good Korean War addon pack for Oleg's 1950-1965 Jet Sim.



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Rct_Tsoul
09-03-2004, 12:23 AM
Lock on is the best, it is a little buggy but well worth it, it is only $29
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to buy it click below:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/lockonmodernaircombat/

download the update for it below:
http://www.fileplanet.com/files/130000/135434.shtml

download the demo below and try it out:
http://www.fileplanet.com/files/130000/130891.shtml

The_Ant
09-03-2004, 12:30 AM
falcon 4.
the best campaign ever in a game.

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Rct_Tsoul
09-03-2004, 12:58 AM
Yea im sure Falcon 4.0 is great, but I cant find a store that has it.

Fritzofn
09-03-2004, 02:46 AM
Falcon 3 (was INSANE good graphics on it compared to other games at the time)
LOMAC :-))

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09-03-2004, 02:56 AM
F4 and LOMAC http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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BennyMoore
09-03-2004, 03:15 AM
Which has the better flight model, Lock On or Falcon? I am very, very impressed by the Lock On flight models. That's the only simulator I've ever played that has accelerated stalls (and one of only two that I've played that won't let you mindlessly yank back on the stick all day) and momentary continuation of roll after control release.

AztekWrath
09-03-2004, 04:13 AM
I have the Strike Fighter sim shelved for a while. Does the patch add more aircraft? Does it include the Mig-21? and where do you download the patch?

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GAU-8
09-03-2004, 06:00 AM
the strike fighters latest patch (SFP2) actually offers only one new aircraft. F-4 variation (J model?) to lazy to look up.

since i re-installed, added the 2 patches, its one sweet, sweet game! (for me) sice i got the 2nd patch, it crashes much less for me than lomac.MUCH LESS. tons of add-ons, sounds, aircraft, terrain, campaigns. word is out that there is a small team (or person?) modeling aircraft carriers for it (which is good because the game has arrestor hooks, but took place in the desert!).. it sucked at first, now it seems to be the quiet little jem everybody is secretly watching. i didnt feel immersed at first. now its just as i feel in IL2 "in there". i play it much more than i do LO-MAC. dont get me wrong, i like lomac, but theres no such thing as a "1 sim garage".. pick up STRIKE FIGHTERS as well, at 5 bucks now, youve made worse, and more costly mistakes IF you dont like it... think about how much money was invested in gifts for girlfriends that didnt work out.. see? much less

james_ander
09-03-2004, 06:12 AM
Yeah, Strike Fighters is cheap, cos you have to build it yourself, which is fine if you like to tinker. I think it's worth trying. There is a decent mission editor out. You can find it at check 6 or Biohaz. It made all the difference for me because I don't like playing randomly generated missions. It's not like the IL2 mission editor where you can park a Kubelwagen in a tree if you feel like it, but very good nonetheless. Falcon you can pick up on e-bay. I bought mine for like $11 with shipping. Get them all and try them out. LOMAC is the most expensive and it's only $30.

Pancho74
09-03-2004, 09:51 AM
Ok...I'll try LO-MAC, S. Fighters and Falcon 4.

For those looking for Falcon 4; on www.the-underdogs.org, (http://www.the-underdogs.org,) there are a lot of freeware games to download; icluding this.

Any link for addons for S. Fighters and Falcon 4 ?? because on check six there are a lot, but I'dont speak French.....only Spanish and a little of English.

Thank you very, very much to all for the good advices.

Marcelo.

james_ander
09-03-2004, 10:28 AM
Check www.biohazcentral.com (http://www.biohazcentral.com) for Strike Fighters Stuff. I think they have the mission editor too.

Check www.f4hq.com (http://www.f4hq.com) for Falcon. Check their links for more Falcon stuff. They are a very friendly forum. You will need their help to figure out what Falcon setup you want and how to install it. I hope you have dsl because there is a lot to download.

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Oak_Groove
09-03-2004, 10:36 AM
Imo the best Combat Jet Simulation, in terms of simulated aircraft systems and operation, is still Falcon 4 and it's portrayal of the F-16. Though many user created aircraft are available for F4, none of them have similar simulation depth, as flight dynamics and system functions are mostly borrowed from the basic F-16 model. So, if you not already have it in your collection, don't get it for any fancy looking addon aircraft. If you are interested in serious simulation of aircraft operation get it for the F-16.

Though i wouldn't call it a simulation (don't consider IL-2/FB a simulation either), Lockon comes on second place. It has a believable FM for the various flyable aircraft and produces quite an impression of "being there", which is mostly due to the spectacular graphics. It doesn't have the avionics detail of Falcon, but focuses just on the essential tasks needed. Some things, like i.e. aerial refuelling and landings are simplified.
It should be said though that Lockon is a hog on system resources and has bugs in it's current state which can be quite annoying, depending on the degree you get affected by them. As it is unclear atm if there will be a further patch, you could rent the game first and see how it runs on your system before buying.

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Mc_Roth
09-03-2004, 03:29 PM
Welll to say the truth is depend on what you like.

Lock-on is beautifull if you pC can handle, but...
The campaign is pré historic non sequencial with no front line canned do it or re-do it style, with a micro theater that you can cross over in 5 minute. The mission creator is complex and far from mature.
It has multiple planes in the old russian vs USA style, but as all games that put it to that is quite shallow in the plane management.
The FM is/seem to be extremely good. The AI is reasonable.

Falcon4.0 need to be patched all over and still sport some old graph. But any manchine can handle it to its fullest due to old FX (compared to lo-mac).
In compensation, the aircraft is as good and near reality as it can get. Its has an absurd steep line if you want to get real and mean.
Thank god it has some more easy features.
The campaign is huge, deep with all kind of mission a multirole plane can dream on. You can manage the entire campaign if you want. All is very detailed and clear in the campaign part. Te flot is real time and the game reserve nasty surprises.

In resume you got the following :
LO-mac :
Nice but shallow.

Falcon 4.0 :
not that beautifull but deep.

Its more or less like wemens http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Billy_BigBoy
09-03-2004, 03:42 PM
Best flight sim? Up till now: Falcon 4
I specially like the "fog of war", the dynamic campagne with a total picture of dozens of aircraft airborne, the effect on the forces when you take out an airbase. But what I like the most is the radio chatter and the guy who talks you in after a long sortie http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
FB comes next, good hectic and uncontrolable fights (and great graphics)
Lock on? Average, mainly due to the sterile campagnes and missions (and lack of radio chatter)
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09-03-2004, 04:06 PM
Newest: LOMAC
Older but still good:
1.Falcon 4.0
2.Jane's F/A-18 (but won't run under XP) Anybody try using glide wrapper to rn it under XP?

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Platypus_1.JaVA
09-03-2004, 04:13 PM
If you want some good fun, very nice graphics (outside world, ground objects and aircraft) and not a too complicated sim, then go for Lock-on

If you want real in depth jetfighter sim, go get Falcon 4.0 somewhere, download the 1.08 and the SP4 patch and enjoy the most realistic jet-sim ever made. Because it is allready an old program, the graphics are okay but, not super.

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theaircobra
09-03-2004, 06:35 PM
lo-mac all the way, great everything i tell ya

OldMan____
09-03-2004, 09:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
MiG Alley was terrific. It's still good if you can stand the graphics. If the graphics were updated, it's still be a great sim. Good FMs.

I also like Strike Fighters. Probably the most stable sim I've ever run, and just plain fun.

I played LOMAC for about a month and then uninstalled it.

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all that time? I took less than 30 minutes to decide uninstall it. Falcon 4 with SP4 is much better than LOMAC..

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wayno7777
09-04-2004, 12:07 AM
Agreed with F4 and Mig Alley. I also still throw on Sabre Ace and A-10 Thunderbolt II just for sh$ts and grins. I remember how the graphics for F4 were so good tha I downloaded the fix to put them in EAW. That spruced up EAW for sure. 'course they're a bit dated now.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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RocketDog
09-04-2004, 03:25 AM
Lock On is definitely worth a look. It might not be as detailed as F4 (a good thing in my book), but it is very much less simplified than IL-2. Overall, I think it has the balance about right. The graphics are absolutely the best I have ever seen in a flight sim - worth the purchase price alone. Lock On also supports enhanced mode for TIR. Personally speaking, I wouldn't bother with a flight sim that didn't support enhanced TIR, so F4 and strike fighters etc are of no interest.

Lock On has been on my hard disk since it was released, although I haven't played it as much as IL-2. The reason it's seen less use is because until I upgraded my PC fairly recently I just couldn't find a happy compromise between graphics settings and frame rate, and because air-to-air combat in LO (at least offline) tends to be over very quickly compared to IL-2.

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ArjenKuifje
09-04-2004, 04:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by james_ander:
I am trying to get into jet sims myself and here is what I have found. In the end, I always come back to IL2 and enjoy it so much more. I can't figure out why I don't enjoy jet sims nearly as much.(...)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's one thing that's always made me stop flying jets, and return to sims/games with combustion engines and props... the sound! You can turn up the volume in a Jet, but the sound of the engine really annoys me after a while, whereas the roar of a Merlin... you can turn up the volume so it just doesn't hurt your ears (or your environment) and still enjoy...

BennyMoore
09-04-2004, 04:52 PM
That's odd, because jet noises are a lot easier to make sound realistic than propeller noises. While there are several games that have realistic jet noises, no game has ever managed to have propeller noises that are remotely like the real thing.

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starfighter1
09-05-2004, 02:38 AM
hi,
You have to ask at what period of time ?

example 1)1995-2000 and 2) 2000-2004 ....

don't mix up sims of different periods

F4 to 1)+ a small chance to more or new addon ? Lomac to 2) + a option to more advanced updates

Mig Alley + SP1 as special theatres need a reprogramming to a new sim to this theatre

BennyMoore
09-05-2004, 06:59 PM
Okay, I just fired up my brother's old copy of Falcon four point oh.

WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU PEOPLE RECOMMENDING??

Do not buy this piece of junk! The flight model is every inch as bad as a Novalogic game. There are no stalls at all, other than the kind you get when you cut the power and fly straigh up. And in Falcon, it even takes a long time to do that. In addition, high angle of attack manuevers are impossible. It's just not modelled! A good forty percent of the flight modelling seems to have been not done. Even after you download the official patch, and even after you download the various unofficial ones, there is no semblance of realism as far as the flight model is concerned.

I suppose the avionics are realistic enough, although I don't have any basis for knowing whether they are or not, but I know enough to know that the flight model is hilariously off. If Lock On perhaps exaggerated the high angle of attack stalls a bit (something which I do not claim but I have heard said about it), Falcon simply does not include them.

Basically, the only limitation on your fighter in Falcon is how many gravities your pilot can take. Other than that, all you have to do is yank back on the stick and hold on. I didn't even try combat, a test flight was enough for me.

So, now I have to decide whether or not to buy Lock On. There are a few small unrealisms and a great deal of bugs, and I don't know if they can be overlooked or not. I don't know if its worth the money.

BennyMoore
09-05-2004, 11:08 PM
I just ordered Lock On. Lock On community, here I come!

58th_AVG_COBRA
09-05-2004, 11:34 PM
GOod luck with LOCKON, I will prescribe some Xanax and Zoloft prior to trying to run that game. My experience has been, that it has soooooo much potential, but they released it about a year before they should have. It won't run on 50% of machines, it's riddled with bugs, and if you can get it to play please tell me your lotto numbers so I can get in on the luck too.

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james_ander
09-06-2004, 10:18 AM
I was never good at noticing bugs in flight sims. Not sure why, maybe lack of experience with them. Yes, it's true, you need a decent system to run LOMAC. And I don't think anyone can max it out like FB. You have to be prepared to run in medium settings, which still looks very good. If you get bummed out by not being able to run a game at maximum settings, forget about LOMAC. I was for awhile then got over it.

BennyMoore
09-06-2004, 12:30 PM
Well, my main problems with the demo are the joystick buttons not working all the time, the frame rates (of course), the flashing and distorted textures when I get hit my a missile sometimes, and the labels realism setting being automatically reset every time I start the game. Oh, and the fact that the landing gear retracts and lowers at half of the real life speed bugs me, too, although it doesn't make the game any easier or any harder. It just bugs me that it's off.

Breeze147
09-07-2004, 12:13 PM
Wow, not one person voted for Janes F/A-18? Real carrier ops and a myriad of add-ons. My favorite Jet Sim.

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james_ander
09-07-2004, 05:30 PM
I haven't been able to find that one. I would love to find a source and see some screenies. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

El Turo
09-07-2004, 05:38 PM
Never really did get into Janes F/A18 much really. I just didn't have the patience at the time to spend memorizing the required 18-button combination to tell the pilot to scratch himself. Probably the same reason I haven't messed with F4, either. I'm more of an in-tight mano y mano dogfighter type I guess than a push-button systems jockey.

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In fact, I think I have my copy of Janes F/A18 sitting in a big bag of old computer related stuff waiting to be taken to the dump in my garage as of the writing of this post. Just got done completely remodelling my "man" room and it, along with about a dozen other old games, was a casualty of the process.

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Best,

~T.

Callsign "Turo" in IL2:FB & WWIIOL
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LEXX_Luthor
09-07-2004, 06:28 PM
Don't judge by the very poor LOMAC Demo!

The two LOMAC Patches really bring up the performance of the sim, so that it is just playable on my system at low settings...

Athalon 1700+
WinXP Homely
256MB 133MHz SDRAM
ATI 9200


I need to upgrade before I really try playing LOMAC, but even more, I am waiting for the Devs to upgrade LOMAC to a real jet sim with real Flyable jets...


http://www.flygplan.info/images/mig21-10.jpg

from 12 page Mass Protest demonstration for Flyable MiG~21 for LOMAC
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49610606&m=44610618&p=5



I bought LOMAC cos the Demo had correct and realistic star/constellation positions, correct star brightness, and correct star colours. Overall a very pretty sky especially at sunset. Good pilots know their stars and can navigate by stars alone if their equipment fails. But I don't know why the LOMAC Devs used a giant Arcade flight sim moon, unlike the realistically small 1/2 degree apparent diameter FB moon.

The FB Moon Rules! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif



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"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
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Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

BennyMoore
09-07-2004, 10:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
But I don't know why the LOMAC Devs used a giant Arcade flight sim moon, unlike the realistically small 1/2 degree apparent diameter FB moon.

The FB Moon Rules!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn't know. If I wanted to bump into things in the dark, I sure wouldn't get into an airplane to do it, even in a game.

Say, how is the flight model in Janes' F/A-18?

The F/A-18 C is my favorite jet fighter, but I have heard that this sim was one of their less realistic ones, and I'm not impressed by even Janes' "realistic" ones.

LEXX_Luthor
09-07-2004, 11:11 PM
BennyMoore (of P~38 Fame):: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If I wanted to bump into things in the dark, I sure wouldn't get into an airplane to do it, even in a game.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a shame... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Flyable 2-seat P~38M would be sweet under the FB Moon.

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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Flyable Swedish "Gladiator" listed as J8A ...in Aces Expansion Pack ( AEP )

"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

BennyMoore
09-07-2004, 11:35 PM
Oleg won't do radar, remember? A P-61 would also be very cool, but oh well...

p1ngu666
09-07-2004, 11:45 PM
luthor, we need a proper night fighter over teh fb and we are getting it sort of
http://www.mossie.org/images/donated_images/Mark_Johnston/MM403side.jpg

made of balsa and plywood, no defensive armament, ud think the germans would laugh at it.
but 2 merlins and 4x20mm cannon and in some 4x303 give u prodious firepower and speed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

proper scare the germans, to coin the term mosquitopanik to send as little time as possible at sensible alts, to hide from radar by flying in the weeds at night, with obivous lawn darting moments.

imagine watching your friend landing, suddenly being ripped apart by cannon fire, he fails to the ground aflame, silence apart from achtung! and the roar of 2 merlins at full power.

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LEXX_Luthor
09-07-2004, 11:53 PM
Yes, uber balsa wood. Make much flower across the dogfight server land, on the Blue side.


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"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

p1ngu666
09-07-2004, 11:58 PM
yes, yes it will http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Charlie901
09-08-2004, 01:16 AM
Right now I have to Say Falcon 4.0 with the upgrades SP3 or SP4 + BMS.

I have LOMAC but never really got into it that much although the A-10 is great.

Falcon is definately a learning sim where I can spend my free time reading the manual on all the diffenent components. Not to mention the dynamic campaign is the best I've ever seen.

For some reason I always come back to IL2 and Falcon 4.0 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BennyMoore
09-08-2004, 10:59 PM
Oh, you don't care about flight models?

LEXX_Luthor
09-08-2004, 11:15 PM
The dude/dudette said he/she came back to IL~2 and Falcon.

Falcon may have immersive gameplay Features that we don't have in FB.

We may have FM Features Falcon don't have. What we need is flight sims that have both and...


...atmospheric moddeling of the air combat environment...

Contrail casts shadow on the overcast cloud sheet far below
http://www.chitambo.com/clouds/cloudsimages/high/ci_av_baffin_jul99.jpg
~ http://www.chitambo.com/clouds/cloudshtml/calvus.html#Anchorcal1



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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Flyable Swedish "Gladiator" listed as J8A ...in Aces Expansion Pack ( AEP )

"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Dammerung
09-09-2004, 12:28 AM
We have to get Overcast first.

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...