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Bansai Potato
03-11-2004, 06:17 AM
Edited by me, thought i should use a slightly more diplomatic title, Ok so i got a bit vexed with my delightful Spitfire cockpit having something this obvious (to me) wrong with it, thanks for helping me see the light, now can someone fix this? or is it too late?

I have noticed in the Spitfire in AEP there is a warning plaque in the cockpit on the top left side of the instrument panel

"warning this aircraft is not certified to an international standard, day VMC only"

Do you not realise that this is a modern day CAA(Civil Aviation Authority) warning plaque that WAS NOT IN WARTIME AIRCRAFT. The modeller, who i mean no offence to has done an astounding job with the Spitfire but this is an obvious mistake that should never of appeared in the final version.

I'm sure with just a little research you can find this out yourself with wartime pictures, or someone who knows Spitfires will point this out, i'm actually surprised no-one has said anything yet. I know Spitfires, the fact that i'm an engineer building one speaks for itself, i'm just so surprised that you allowed such an obvious fault through into the final game.

http://homepage.hispeed.ch/Ede_EAF92/EAF/24890632.92EastIndiaSquadronpersonnel.jpg

[This message was edited by Classic_EAF92 on Thu March 11 2004 at 07:49 AM.]

[This message was edited by Classic_EAF92 on Thu March 11 2004 at 01:21 PM.]

Bansai Potato
03-11-2004, 06:17 AM
Edited by me, thought i should use a slightly more diplomatic title, Ok so i got a bit vexed with my delightful Spitfire cockpit having something this obvious (to me) wrong with it, thanks for helping me see the light, now can someone fix this? or is it too late?

I have noticed in the Spitfire in AEP there is a warning plaque in the cockpit on the top left side of the instrument panel

"warning this aircraft is not certified to an international standard, day VMC only"

Do you not realise that this is a modern day CAA(Civil Aviation Authority) warning plaque that WAS NOT IN WARTIME AIRCRAFT. The modeller, who i mean no offence to has done an astounding job with the Spitfire but this is an obvious mistake that should never of appeared in the final version.

I'm sure with just a little research you can find this out yourself with wartime pictures, or someone who knows Spitfires will point this out, i'm actually surprised no-one has said anything yet. I know Spitfires, the fact that i'm an engineer building one speaks for itself, i'm just so surprised that you allowed such an obvious fault through into the final game.

http://homepage.hispeed.ch/Ede_EAF92/EAF/24890632.92EastIndiaSquadronpersonnel.jpg

[This message was edited by Classic_EAF92 on Thu March 11 2004 at 07:49 AM.]

[This message was edited by Classic_EAF92 on Thu March 11 2004 at 01:21 PM.]

SUPERAEREO
03-11-2004, 06:44 AM
Somebody said that only people who never do anything never make mistakes: chill out mate, don't take it so personally..!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

S!

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Bansai Potato
03-11-2004, 06:48 AM
You get me wrong, i have not taken offence i'm just very surprised that such a glaringly obvious mistake has made it through into the final game.

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SeaFireLIV
03-11-2004, 06:48 AM
If Classic is right, and I`m sure he is, this MUST be fixed! Sounds like they may have copied the cockpit too exact, but surely someone would have noticed.

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Bansai Potato
03-11-2004, 06:53 AM
They have obviously copied a modern day spitfire cockpit or photos which is fair enough but if you saw a GPS in the photo would that to of been modelled or would someone think, hang about 1940's and satelites dont really go together, just like CAA air law requirements and world war II aerial combat fighter aircraft.

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SUPERAEREO
03-11-2004, 06:57 AM
Probably the modeller did not realise his mistake at all and thought it was an original wartime instruction. Easy if English is not your first language (and a lot of stencils often require a bit of guesswork).

Hope it gets corrected though.

S!

"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down."

Chuck Yaeger

LEXX_Luthor
03-11-2004, 07:06 AM
You may wish to change the title of this thread. Be a little more diplomatic. I am sure the cockpit Modder would be interested in learning about this and changing it (if the claim is true), and sharing the knowledge.


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SeaFireLIV
03-11-2004, 07:38 AM
bump, Oleg and the modeller needs to be aware of this...

Cossack13
03-11-2004, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
Somebody said that only people who never do anything never make mistakes: chill out mate, don't take it so personally..!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif
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SeaFireLIV
03-11-2004, 08:25 AM
Actually, Classic, why not take a screenshot and post it to iL2beta@1c.ru

You`ll need to explain to him why it`s wrong ( I know it`s obvious, but explain it anyway).

Just send one screen shot at a time (low quality), with one text message explaing everything, . Oleg WILL see it.

Oh, and try to be polite, m8. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

AWL_Spinner
03-11-2004, 08:37 AM
Indeed, if it's true then it's definitely an error that needs to be fixed but hey, it's not worth getting wound up about.

It's actually pretty funny and goes to show how accurate these modellers are from their sources (even if their sources haven't been vetted)!

I'm pretty impressed you can read that off the plaque! (I've not got AEP yet so can't check meself, care to post a screenie?)

Cheers, Spinner

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Heart_C
03-11-2004, 08:47 AM
Superaereo: It's Chuck Yeager, not Yaeger...just for the record http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Btw, I love that quote. I remember how some of the guys with a Luftwaffe superiority complex went all nasty when Yeager was quoted with that in the intended worshipping thread "What did allied pilots think when they saw a jet for the first time???". Litte sense of humor those guys have lol. Sure even Yeager himself said that with a smile. Found it pretty funny how nerds could go all mean when you quote a combat veteran and ace who actually flew through gunfire for real a couple of times lol.

Bansai Potato
03-11-2004, 08:53 AM
SeaFireLIV said

"Oh, and try to be polite, m8"

whats that then?

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03-11-2004, 09:05 AM
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Oleg_Maddox
03-11-2004, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Classic_EAF92:
Edited by me, thought i should use a slightly more diplomatic title, used to be "Some kind of sick joke or sheer lack of REAL aircraft knowledge" Ok so i got a bit vexed with my delightful Spitfire cockpit having something this obvious (to me) wrong with it, thanks for helping me see the light, now can someone fix this? or is it too late?

I have noticed in the Spitfire in AEP there is a warning plaque in the cockpit on the top left side of the instrument panel

"warning this aircraft is not certified to an international standard, day VMC only"

Do you not realise that this is a modern day CAA(Civil Aviation Authority) warning plaque that WAS NOT IN WARTIME AIRCRAFT. The modeller, who i mean no offence to has done an astounding job with the Spitfire but this is an obvious mistake that should never of appeared in the final version.

I'm sure with just a little research you can find this out yourself with wartime pictures, or someone who knows Spitfires will point this out, i'm actually surprised no-one has said anything yet. I know Spitfires, the fact that i'm an engineer building one speaks for itself, i'm just so surprised that you allowed such an obvious fault through into the final game.

http://homepage.hispeed.ch/Ede_EAF92/EAF/24890632.92EastIndiaSquadronpersonnel.jpg

[This message was edited by Classic_EAF92 on Thu March 11 2004 at 07:49 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why not to take it as a joke?
Why not to take it as we use real aircraft to make cockpits?

Sure it is a bug, but look above on my comment.
However in Spit 9 this will not be present http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bansai Potato
03-11-2004, 09:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:

Why not to take it as a joke? can do if you like

Why not to take it as we use real aircraft to make cockpits? Fair enough, but i thought the reason behind not getting certain aircraft flyable, such as the PE8 was becuase we could not get accurate enough pictures of what the cockpit looked like, so with such a drive for accuracy how did this fault come about?

Sure it is a bug, but look above on my comment.
What comment?

However in Spit 9 this will not be present http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifGlad to hear it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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SeaFireLIV
03-11-2004, 09:40 AM
I have to continuously back Classic up and say, we`d rather have that little plaque carefully blacked out, rather than seeing it as a joke. We do want authentic to WWII, not to presnt day.

Thanks for responding Oleg.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cragger
03-11-2004, 10:07 AM
Hmm fix a 'pointless' instruction plate or fixing the dozens of busted gauges in various aircraft... plate or gauges..

Me I take gauges, and quit being so *cough* anal *cough* about stuff.

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Bansai Potato
03-11-2004, 11:06 AM
Woops my mistake Cragger, i thought this was supposed to be the most authentic and accurate WWII flight sim.

I agree with you that gauges are indeed more important, but the problem i have is that this is such an OBVIOUS mistake, i mean the plaque states that the aircraft does not meet international requirements, do you honestly beleive that in 1940 there were such things as international requirements for aircraft, if no then this is apparently obvious to you as well so with a little bit of applied grey matter anyone would figure that this plaque should not be in a 1940's fighter aircraft.

If i offend anyone i do not mean too, try not to take what i say personnaly, i just have a way with words, i blame my teachers, :-)

P.s. there is another mistake in the Spitfire modelling, the supercharger worked automatically as you go up/down through various altitudes but it could also be 'forced' into the next stage by the pilot at any time. Secondly there is no mixture control fitted to the AEP Spitfire, this is incorrect, if you look at the throttle quadrant you will see three levers from right to left they should be Propeller pitch, Throttle, Mixture. In AEP only the throttle lever and the prop pitch are modelled correctly, the mixture lever does not move and mixture inputs have no effect on the Spitfire. Now we're getting ANAL :-)

Oleg thankyou very much for picking up this topic i understand that you must be a very busy man and it is very pleasing to see a company that still values the views and opinions of its customers.

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[This message was edited by Classic_EAF92 on Thu March 11 2004 at 10:19 AM.]

[This message was edited by Classic_EAF92 on Thu March 11 2004 at 10:23 AM.]

[This message was edited by Classic_EAF92 on Thu March 11 2004 at 10:30 AM.]

Skiiwa
03-11-2004, 11:14 AM
Lordy!.. I thought he was going to say that Oleg had added an afterburner setting to the throttle or somthing.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Skiiwa

SeaFireLIV
03-11-2004, 11:23 AM
I`m afraid it`s that excited British thing... y`know, waiting for the Spit so long. You kinda get emotional.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

We don`t mean to be rude... we just want our beauuuuutiful Spitfire perfect... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif It`s a beautiful plane and all respect to Oleg and Gibbage1 (and others) who made the effort to make it.

And my hard-earned money will leave my pocket soon for it. So Oleg and Co will soon be rewarded.

SeaFireLIV...

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Bansai Potato
03-11-2004, 11:34 AM
Hell i'm even gonna buy 2 copies http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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AnalFissure
03-11-2004, 02:06 PM
The lack of mixture and supercharger control when it should be there is not something exclusive to the spitfire in FB/AEP.

Spit, Hurri, P38, P39, P40, P47, P51, are all missing it. This is made blatantly obvious by the mixture and supercharger controls being modelled on the afformentioned aircraft's throttle quadrants, as you said.

LEXX_Luthor
03-11-2004, 04:55 PM
Well at least our Spit simmers/simmerettes have the Benefit of being warned about flying in missions with Poor or Bad visibility settings. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif -- if that was what the warning is about.

If it really bothers people, they can fly I~16, more Fun anyway http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif haha the Region 1 CDs for USA releace I~16 and Yaks cockpit probably say "You are Noob" in Russian and we don't know it hehehe and even if it were English we still wouldn't get it.

--- that was a joke


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[This message was edited by LEXX_Luthor on Thu March 11 2004 at 04:07 PM.]

VW-IceFire
03-11-2004, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I`m afraid it`s that excited British thing... y`know, waiting for the Spit so long. You kinda get emotional.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

We don`t mean to be rude... we just want our beauuuuutiful Spitfire perfect... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif It`s a beautiful plane and all respect to Oleg and Gibbage1 (and others) who made the effort to make it.

And my hard-earned money will leave my pocket soon for it. So Oleg and Co will soon be rewarded.

SeaFireLIV...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/storm.jpg
Soon... Very soon....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Or an excited Canadian thing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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