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73GIAP_Milan
03-11-2004, 08:58 AM
Ok, i almost went beserk after looking at those marvellous screenshots of il2\FB AEP~yaddayadda... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and i started to consider a serious upgrade to my current pc..

I want to change my mainboard, CPU (to P4-3.0 or P4-3.2GHz) RAM (1024DDR) and Videocard...

Anyone got a suggestion for an AFFORDABLE 128MB-or higher videocard ??? Prices over 250 EURO are NOT affordable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and i need to scrape money from everywhere i can...

I saw one that kinda looks appealing to me: ATI Radeon 9600SE,128MB TV-out, DVi....for 87Euro.
Anyone can bid me a better one for roughly the same price?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
By the way, i'm looking a bit towards the future with this upgrade, it must still be a "reasonable pc config" in about 2 years http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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73GIAP_Milan
03-11-2004, 08:58 AM
Ok, i almost went beserk after looking at those marvellous screenshots of il2\FB AEP~yaddayadda... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and i started to consider a serious upgrade to my current pc..

I want to change my mainboard, CPU (to P4-3.0 or P4-3.2GHz) RAM (1024DDR) and Videocard...

Anyone got a suggestion for an AFFORDABLE 128MB-or higher videocard ??? Prices over 250 EURO are NOT affordable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and i need to scrape money from everywhere i can...

I saw one that kinda looks appealing to me: ATI Radeon 9600SE,128MB TV-out, DVi....for 87Euro.
Anyone can bid me a better one for roughly the same price?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
By the way, i'm looking a bit towards the future with this upgrade, it must still be a "reasonable pc config" in about 2 years http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Regards,

Der Tote Baron a.k.a. SK_Black_Knight....
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Kandiru
03-11-2004, 10:38 AM
SMILE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I hope that this will make your day. Hope they ship to the UK:

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/buyxg/sap9800se128.html

Radeon 9800 Pro is a very good card i think

Kan

Cossack_UA
03-11-2004, 10:51 AM
PCI Express is coming pretty soon, hopefully some time this summer.

VR_Herbaliser
03-11-2004, 10:52 AM
I got the older 9700pro with the same processer and ram as you are thinking of getting and I run the game at perfect settings on 1024X768@32 at good fps. Not sure how much a 9700pro would cost though.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
03-11-2004, 10:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cossack_UA:
PCI Express is coming pretty soon, hopefully some time this summer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


This is what I'm waiting for. As well as the hardware that can capitalize on it's positive attributes (primarily video cards)



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73GIAP_Milan
03-15-2004, 02:03 PM
Hmmm...so those ATI Radeons are really worth the money?

And if i should wait just a few months (just as my upgrade was planned) i should be able to get an even better card for the same price stated?

But how does an ATI Radeon compare to a GeForce? i've always been a GeForce-man..(using ASUS Geforce2 GTS V7700 atm).. What is the most comparable GF-card to the ATI 9800 ???

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Bearcat99
03-15-2004, 02:21 PM
What do you have now? I plan to upgrade too...but in about 2 years.. Im stashing my pennies now and hoping some emergency doesnt pop up that makes me reveal my stash. For now though I am ok with my XP2500... The 9800 is a great card..

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Christos_swc
03-15-2004, 02:40 PM
Just upgraded from MX440 to a Gigabyte 9600 Pro.
At 167 euros it's very good value for money(includes three games and power DVD).
Performance is not mind boggling though.
What it does is alow me to play at the same frame rates as before, only now I have 4AA and 16AF turned on.
It looks cool to play like that though.
I think it will be a huge improvement with future games as it's more oriented towards direct x9.
And there's no major fps hit with AA or AF than with my MX.
Don't buy the SE.
It's half the price and half the performance of the pro version.
But the performance looks inadequate.
Go for 9600 pro or XT.

73GIAP_Milan
03-15-2004, 03:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What do you have now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> what do you want me to say?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif a really aging machine:

Intel P3 866MHz (not overclocked)
512MB Ram 266 or 333 (dunno exactly)
Asus CUSL2C Mainboard with AGP 4x
Asus GeForce2 GTS V7700 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif (old but love it)
Soundblaster Live! 1024 Value + surroundsystem
17" Monitor
and a MS Sidewinder 3D Precision Pro Stick (1st series)

I want to go up to AT LEAST 3 GHz and 1024MB RAM..and if the prices have dropped enough within 3 months, i want a 128MB videocard for minimum...256, even better but not above 170 Euros then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I'm a student and really need to keep track of what i can spend...

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Xiolablu3
03-15-2004, 05:46 PM
DONT buy a SE edition Radeon, they are cut down models of the actual card.

Get yourself a Geforce 5900 XT, these cost â£150 here in the UK, not sure about Euro prices, but its a mid price range card.

They have only just been released so u may have to wait a few weeks b4 u can find one.

The 5900 XT is a cut down model of the 5900, but its still the fastest midrange card by far, faster than any 9600 or 5700 ultra.

Then again, in 2 months time things could have changed a lot. Take another look at things when u are ready to upgrade.

AtomicRunt
03-15-2004, 05:58 PM
Used to be an Nvidiot until they tried pulling some shady marketing scam with the release of one of their cards....Bought an ATI Radeon 9700pro instead, had it for almost a year now and it still runs IL-2FB_AEP quite well, I,m not saying go get a 9700 but find an ATI RADEON and at least you wont feel like you've been kicked in the N*TS

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SwingerSpecial
03-15-2004, 06:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Der_Tote_Baron:

Intel P3 866MHz (not overclocked)
512MB Ram 266 or 333 (dunno exactly)
Asus CUSL2C Mainboard with AGP 4x
Asus GeForce2 GTS V7700 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif (old but love it)
Soundblaster Live! 1024 Value + surroundsystem
17" Monitor
and a MS Sidewinder 3D Precision Pro Stick (1st series)

I want to go up to AT LEAST 3 GHz and 1024MB RAM..and if the prices have dropped enough Sky Knights Squadron Leader<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey that's pretty close to my system... lol... 800-P3 on a TUSL2 here. My favourite topic, hotrodding other people's garbage :-)

Rule #1 - Don't pay for it unless you have to!-D


Ok, your memory is most likely PC133 SDRAM, however it can be rigged to work with PC100 I believe (Although I fail to see the point unless you have a pile of PC100's and you're trying to be cheap). Not much you can do about it, CUSL2 is maxed out at 512mb.

The first problem is that motherboard, I compared a P3-866 on a CUSL2 to my P3-800 on TUSL2 and the results from Memtest86 were 250 to 301 MB/S in favour of the slower processor (!). So, the board obviously is a bottleneck. What good does this piece of info do for you? If you find that someone is about to ditch an older P3/Celeron with a TUSL2 board, grab it! This will also take 3x 256mb modules for a total of 768mb of RAM.

You could see if anyone is planning on throwing out a faster P3 CPU, but that's not very likely to happen as the last ones (1.0-1.2 GHZ) were overpriced and rare to begin with. Don't overclock unless you already have the cash for a new system stuffed away in your piggy bank! Guaranteed that you'll cook the thing sooner or later.

Just buying a brand new killer videocard would be like flushing money down the toilet, so that option is out the window. I know, you're tempted by the FX5200's, don't do it! Your AGP slot only goes up to 4x so what are you going to do with an 8x card anyways? A true scavenger will go after the GForce-MX440 cards that a lot of OEM's used. They were just pure rubbish even when they were brand new. This works to our advantage, because no one in their right mind who has a newer machine will hold on to one of these. As a good samaritan, you'll of course relieve them of the inconvenience of throwing one of these in the trash. Yes, it's a lousy card, BUT it's better than just a GeForce2! Just make sure that it works, look for signs of discolouration on the heatsink and replace any questionable fans right away.

As far as going out and purchasing a new machine goes... Unless you're buying your new computer today, i'd almost wait until the new Socket 777 Pentiums come out - The socket 478 architechture has already had an unusually long life, and you'll regret jumping on board at the last minute before the whole thing changes.

Start saving now :-)

73GIAP_Milan
03-16-2004, 08:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Ok, your memory is most likely PC133 SDRAM, however it can be rigged to work with PC100 I believe (Although I fail to see the point unless you have a pile of PC100's and you're trying to be cheap). Not much you can do about it, CUSL2 is maxed out at 512mb.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Doublechecked it's 266..and indeed the CUSL2C had a 512 Block on it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The new mainboard will be a new ASUS type...but have not decided YET which one, by the time i'm upgrading newer ones will have come out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The first problem is that motherboard, I compared a P3-866 on a CUSL2 to my P3-800 on TUSL2 and the results from Memtest86 were 250 to 301 MB/S in favour of the slower processor (!). So, the board obviously is a bottleneck. What good does this piece of info do for you? If you find that someone is about to ditch an older P3/Celeron with a TUSL2 board, grab it! This will also take 3x 256mb modules for a total of 768mb of RAM.

You could see if anyone is planning on throwing out a faster P3 CPU, but that's not very likely to happen as the last ones (1.0-1.2 GHZ) were overpriced and rare to begin with. Don't overclock unless you already have the cash for a new system stuffed away in your piggy bank! Guaranteed that you'll cook the thing sooner or later.

Just buying a brand new killer videocard would be like flushing money down the toilet, so that option is out the window. I know, you're tempted by the FX5200's, don't do it! Your AGP slot only goes up to 4x so what are you going to do with an 8x card anyways? A true scavenger will go after the GForce-MX440 cards that a lot of OEM's used. They were just pure rubbish even when they were brand new. This works to our advantage, because no one in their right mind who has a newer machine will hold on to one of these. As a good samaritan, you'll of course relieve them of the inconvenience of throwing one of these in the trash. Yes, it's a lousy card, BUT it's better than just a GeForce2! Just make sure that it works, look for signs of discolouration on the heatsink and replace any questionable fans right away.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What you try to tell me here looks more like a "downgrade" than an UPGRADE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif but i'm ALWAYS having your "RULE # 1" in mind, when i bought my system it was state of the art, 3,5 years ago, but now it is really time to boost it a bit :P

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Unless you're buying your new computer today, i'd almost wait until the new Socket 777 Pentiums come out - The socket 478 architechture has already had an unusually long life, and you'll regret jumping on board at the last minute before the whole thing changes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Now THIS sounds interesting...have you got any clue WHEN these will come out and for WHICH Intel Processor-series?? my goal is at least a 3.0GHz (can get one now for 226 Euro's)

and since i heard about all the fuzz with GeForce cards (like not being as good as they were promised) i decided to try ATI this time..

I can get this card: ATI Radeon 9200 AGP(8x) 256MB DVI/TV-out (POWERCOLOR) for 94 Euro's..seems awfully tempting... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
And the difference in price between ASUS and POWERCOLOR is quite big...is that indicating the quality too??

I want to get as much as cheap (but GOOD) as possible..and ASUS never let me down..

Regards,

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BaldieJr
03-16-2004, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AtomicRunt:
Used to be an Nvidiot until they tried pulling some shady marketing scam with the release of one of their cards....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

did you know that hackers are probably trying to get into your computer RIGHT NOW?!??!1 Download Zone Alarm and check it out!!!!!!11

I mean really people, when you become suddenly aware of something, you can't assume it never happened before your discovery. ATI and NVidia have been cheating benchmarks (and other nastiness) since the dawn of 3d accelerators.

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73GIAP_Milan
03-16-2004, 09:37 AM
Can you be a bit more specific, BaldieJr??? i'm unaware of weird things regarding ATI and nVidia..
please tell me something more about this, because i suspect my pc being "invaded" some time ago...

If you please would do that in a new topic, so we can stay OT here pls http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif S!

Regards,

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SwingerSpecial
03-16-2004, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
The new mainboard will be a new ASUS type...but have not decided YET which one, by the time i'm upgrading newer ones will have come out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right now my choice would be the P4C800, one neat package that gives you the 875 chipset, 1GB ethernet and both IDE & S-ATA raid controllers if you're into that sort of thing. "Cheapskate special" would be the P4P800-VM.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What you try to tell me here looks more like a "downgrade" than an UPGRADE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif but i'm ALWAYS having your "RULE # 1" in mind, when i bought my system it was state of the art, 3,5 years ago, but now it is really time to boost it a bit :P<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The problem with hopping up older machines is that it's going to cost you an arm and a leg to put in new components and you won't be happy with the boost in performance. That's why I was recommending such awful products, lol, because those you can usually get for a song and every little bit helps :-)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Now THIS sounds interesting...have you got any clue WHEN these will come out and for WHICH Intel Processor-series??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First of all, my bad, it's Socket 775 not 777.

The current P4/Celeron lineups have used the socket 478 form factor since the Willamette series. These will not be compatible with eachother, there are rumours that the new processor will be called P-5. The new Alderwood chipset that goes with these is scheduled to be released during the second quarter of this year. It'll have support for the new PCI-Express video cards and DDR2 memory.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
my goal is at least a 3.0GHz (can get one now for 226 Euro's) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

2.8's and 3.0's are the best deal right now... of course, this will all have changed by next week.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I can get this card: ATI Radeon 9200 AGP(8x) 256MB DVI/TV-out (POWERCOLOR) for 94 Euro's..seems awfully tempting... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


9200 is pretty much the same card as the older 8500. I'd rather go up to the next level to ATi9600 or GeForce Fx5600/5700, unless you have to have a video card now and you're running low on cash.


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I want to get as much as cheap (but GOOD) as possible..and ASUS never let me down..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've been very happy with their products. Great quality control, and they seem to last pretty well. In the long run, quality products are cheaper to operate.

maddvmaxx
03-16-2004, 09:25 PM
I always loved the GeForce cards,and then jumped on the ATI 9700 bandwagon.I'm going back to a GeForce 5900.The ATI is way overrated in my opinion,not to mention overpriced.But when you buy something that is over-hyped,that's usually what you pay for...their ad campaigns hyping the HeLL out of them.GeForce just always ran more stable with less issues.But every system is very different,just like a car or a person http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif