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Indianer.
01-31-2004, 04:34 AM

Indianer.
01-31-2004, 04:34 AM

Tully__
01-31-2004, 04:53 AM
While there is online cheating, the incidence of verifiable cheating in servers I've been in is so rare that I can only assume that the works been done mostly to re-assure the community that there is protection against it. I took the second option http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Indianer.
01-31-2004, 05:39 AM
Thanks T

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F19_Olli72
01-31-2004, 05:46 AM
I can say this, after the patch on Greatergreen theres been an increase of incidents where a player has been kicked while i was chasing him. One night there was about 3 or 4..... hmm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SeaFireLIV
01-31-2004, 05:56 AM
Hmmm... Interesting you mention that.

Yesterday evening we went on a mission against Japanese zeros, we were in Hurricanes, P-40s. We had several strange instances were a zero shot four of us down very quickly and easily and we still can`t work out how it happened.
In my case was dogfighting a zero, I could clearly see it gaining on me from the rear. after a bit of twisting and turning I dived into cloud and lost the zero. I immediately changed direction (using my horizon indicator). A moment later and still in cloud my wing suddenly flew off and I spun into the sea?!

Apparently I was shot down, but how? I`d lost the bogey, I was also in cloud in a different direction.

The others in my Squad mentioned similar weird occurances....


One of our squad was actually flying the zeros and he mentioned that one of the zeros did seem to be flying very fast and making unusually tight turns.

We have recorded the track and one our our guys are studying it. At the moment we cannot say there was cheating, but it was very strange...

This was with 1.22.

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Extreme_One
01-31-2004, 06:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Hmmm... Interesting you mention that.

Yesterday evening we went on a mission against Japanese zeros, we were in Hurricanes, P-40s. We had several strange instances were a zero shot four of us down very quickly and easily and we still can`t work out how it happened.
In my case was dogfighting a zero, I could clearly see it gaining on me from the rear. after a bit of twisting and turning I dived into cloud and lost the zero. I immediately changed direction (using my horizon indicator). A moment later and still in cloud my wing suddenly flew off and I spun into the sea?!

Apparently I was shot down, but how? I`d lost the bogey, I was also in cloud in a different direction.

The others in my Squad mentioned similar weird occurances....


One of our squad was actually flying the zeros and he mentioned that one of the zeros did seem to be flying very fast and making unusually tight turns.

We have recorded the track and one our our guys are studying it. At the moment we cannot say there was cheating, but it was very strange...

This was with 1.22.

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That does sound strange!

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SeaFireLIV
01-31-2004, 06:02 AM
LoL. Definitely Humans, I took the guys name down, just in case.

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tsisqua
01-31-2004, 08:49 AM
If it had not been for the tracks that demonstrated the speedhack, there would have been no whining. It is a sort of "what came first? The chiken, or the egg?" question. So, since the tracks that actually showed cheating exist, I had to answer that it was the cheating that caused to need for the changes, but still, I think it is very rare. (Still, once is too much!)

When you cheat you lie to yourself.
I just get shot down, over, and over, and once in a blue moon, I get a kill. That one kill means more to me than all the kills a cheater could ever make!

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Bearcat99
01-31-2004, 08:56 AM
Even though the speed hack users can indeed be classified as cheaters the thing that sets the cheating in this sim apart from most others is that this cheat is a cheat using the system.... ie altering the conditions as opposed to cheats where the flight model of the plane itself is so radically altered as to make the plane totally different from what it was originally. The speed hack can be worked around.

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SlickStick
01-31-2004, 09:07 AM
Gents, since IL2, there have been online cheaters. Just thank your lucky stars that they can only mess with things like Speed Hack or similar. And the best part, we have the means to control that cheat then and even more now.

Those tracks showing the Speed Hack are gross examples of what that program can actually do. You can go faster, slower or anywhere in-between. You can warp turn, extend zoom climbs and basically make your plane intangible when being fired upon. Since your plane is actually in a different position than the guy who's firing on you, he thinks he's hitting, but your not receiving damage.

This is the case when you unload shell after shell into a bird, seeing the puffs of smoke from the hits, bits of plane falling off but he doesn't seem to be taking any damage.

Don't let anyone downplay the online cheating using this program. It's wide-spread and you can bet your *** that Oleg and his team knew it and put in measures to prevent it.

There is a simple way to distinguish lag from cheater's warp. During lag, the plane skews slightly off path and returns to the same path or close upon re-sync. During warp, cheaters are constantly maneuvering, turning, showing up in different places and you can blatantly see when it's beeing used.

Bottom line, HOSTS need to use the anti-cheat features and use them tightly. Because if you don't set them tight, the program can still be used in bursts, below the set MAX LAG settings.

Don't be fooled. This program is used by some of the perceived "best" around here and happens twice as much under Full Difficulty conditions than a medium server, where you can watch the bogey's every move.

MAX LAG is just like that infomercial for that rotissery cooker......

"Set it and forget it."

The game does the kicking and displaying, so you don't have to say a word. Just don't forget to modify your metmessages.properties file to show the name of the pilot setting off the message. You'll start to see an interesting pattern with certain cable and DSL flyers. Be Sure.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SeaFireLIV
01-31-2004, 09:10 AM
That`s very interesting, SlickStick. Thnx.

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Indianer.
01-31-2004, 09:15 AM
yeah, didnt know that.

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SlickStick
01-31-2004, 09:23 AM
I'd edit that typo for netmessages.properties, but this forum doesn't let me edit properly. I usually just delete the message and post another, lol.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It's located in a folder called i18n, in your main FB folder. If you add a {0} in front of the 3 cheat messages, matching the spacing of the other lines, then you can see the name of the pilot setting off the message in the chat.

All in the game have to do this to see the name. Just because the server has it or one of the clients, this is a local option that all need to do.

You will start to see a pattern of specific names come up, I can guarantee. Funny, most of them are on 60mS cable or 100mS DSL.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SeaFireLIV
01-31-2004, 09:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:


This is the case when you unload shell after shell into a bird, seeing the puffs of smoke from the hits, bits of plane falling off but he doesn't seem to be taking any damage.

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Sorry, but I have to say I had a disturbingly similar situation to thise in the week in a COOP, which had only the map marker and outside view on .
I was in a P39 and came behind a Focke Wolf intent on shooting down a B17. I fired rounds at him from close range. I saw bits and a large chunk fall from him, wasn`t sure what it was, he immediately dived down, I looked for him. Nothing. Where`d he go?- I assumed he was finished.

I flew on. Suddenly I had the Focke Wolf on my six blazing at me and he shot me down! Blew me up actually.

Was this another guy? But I thought he was the only one. I waited for my confirm kill on the FW I`d shot up, but nothing. I looked around at the FWs about, non seemed to have taken any damaged.

I was confused, but left it. Until now. The problem is quantifying these things. It`s difficult to be sure if you haven`t saved the track.

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SlickStick
01-31-2004, 09:25 AM
Also, by using the anti-cheat measures and the netmessages edit, you never have to say a word or go witch-hunting or become all paranoid about everyone cheating. The game does the work so you don't have to.

Isn't Oleg great?!!!!!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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willyvic
01-31-2004, 09:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Indianer.:
Does everyone remember all those guys who used to be of the opinion that there were no online cheats flying FB?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep. The instances of the speed hack were few back then and I believe only a handfull of mental midgets were employing it but it existed none the less.

Currently I believe the number of "enhancement" users is on the increase. And I believe they are haunting the all toggles checked rooms more then the some toggles unchecked rooms. (Gee, PC ain't I? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )It allows for a lessor chance of discovery me thinks. Novice users of the Speed Hack are quite often auto kicked it appears. They haven't mastered the program I guess. Veterans of the Hack have had quite some time to hone their skills and are damn hard to pin down. But in the end it's their loss if they are discovered. Being branded an online user of other than honorable methods relegates them to a group despised by some, ostracized by others, and ignored by most.

But, yes Indianer, I remember.

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SlickStick
01-31-2004, 04:53 PM
Spot on, willy. Good post.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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