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Cossack_UA
05-10-2004, 01:52 PM
I know that there are limitations as to the pilots hight and weight. What are they exactly?

I've seen BF-109 up close in Dayton museum and i can assure you that with my 6 feet 3 inches and 230 lb of weight i will never fit in its cockpit. But Mustang's cockpit loocked pretty roomy. I also sat in a fragment of F16's cockpit. Had to battle my way thru the line of kiddies http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif It was cramped but not so bad.

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Cossack_UA
05-10-2004, 01:52 PM
I know that there are limitations as to the pilots hight and weight. What are they exactly?

I've seen BF-109 up close in Dayton museum and i can assure you that with my 6 feet 3 inches and 230 lb of weight i will never fit in its cockpit. But Mustang's cockpit loocked pretty roomy. I also sat in a fragment of F16's cockpit. Had to battle my way thru the line of kiddies http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif It was cramped but not so bad.

[This message was edited by Cossack_UA on Mon May 10 2004 at 01:23 PM.]

VF-19
05-10-2004, 02:05 PM
Well, there was a mention in "Flying Solo" by Roald Dahl. I'll have to find my copy, but during his medical exam, he wasn't disqualified because of his height, as the RAF (at least where he was) didn't list any height as the maximum. I think he was about 6 feet tall. He found the Hurricane's cockpit to be very cramped, and the Gladiator, he was so tall, his head was over the windscreen.

maxim26
05-10-2004, 02:49 PM
I don't know enything about fighter pilots requirements. But I recently red the article about health requirements and training of F1 pilots.

I't very interesting but during the race they experience as much G force as WWII fighter pilots - up to 6G. Because of weight and cockpit size limitations their height is usually about 170-175 sm. Weight is about 60 kg. They have everyday trainings. They traing muscles with light weights to make them endurable, especially neck mucsles in order to keep their head strait while cornering. Also their workout is set up in such a way so they would train muscles without gaining muscle weight. Person with high muscle weight cannot handle G force good.

BlitzPig_DDT
05-10-2004, 02:59 PM
Modern USAF is 72" (6' 2"). Not sure about the Navy off hand.

The problem with being too tall, aside from there being an upper limit of practicality for pit size, is that the taller you are, the further your head is from your heart, and this, the more work it has to do to keep blood up there, so you tend to be less tolerant to Gs on average (built up tolerance notwithstanding).

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SKIDRO_79FS
05-10-2004, 03:03 PM
I know of at least three World Wr II fighter pilots who were over 6 feet tall, one being an amazing 6'6" (Ed Wasil of the 55th. Ftr. Sqdn.)and another being 6'4" and 225lbs (Ernest Fiebelkorn of the 77th. Ftr. Sqdn). There were others but those two came readily to mind...

According to what I've been told the taller cadets usually became bomber pilots.

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Menthol_moose
05-10-2004, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> is that the taller you are, the further your head is from your heart, and this, the more work it has to do to keep blood up there, so you tend to be less tolerant to Gs on average (built up tolerance notwithstanding).
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I read somewhere that Douglas Badder had a advantage when it came to G forces because there was no legs for all the blood to drain into.

BlitzPig_DDT
05-10-2004, 03:13 PM
Hadn't heard that. Who's to say if that was rumor or not.

What I mentioned (about height) came from an AF instructor on one of the learning type channels when they were covering recruits going into the centrifuge.

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F19_Orheim
05-10-2004, 03:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-19:
...and the Gladiator, he was so tall, his head was over the windscreen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I am a BIG fellow too, 6'3"http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, and I tell you - the J8A (Gladiator) is VERY roomy!
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huggy87
05-10-2004, 04:26 PM
As far as I know the USN does not have specific height/ weight restrictions (I came in 7 years ago). What they do is sit you down in a chair and measure your reach, head to butt, butt to knee, (and I can't remember the fourth thing they measured).

Weight is definitely a consideration with ejection seats. If you are too heavy or light you might not get the optimum number of swings in the chute from a 0/0 (ground/non-moving) ejection.

Since the Navy admitted women to fighter planes about 10 years ago, they have made many steps to make fighter cockpits more friendly to those of smaller stature.

Steaky_361st
05-10-2004, 04:29 PM
I remember the F16 cockpit...I was there last summer. As for the 109...yeah it did look kinda small, but the Jug and Ponys and Cobras looked pretty roomy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VF-19
05-10-2004, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-19:
...and the Gladiator, he was so tall, his head was over the windscreen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I am a BIG fellow too, 6'3"http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, and I tell you - the J8A (Gladiator) is VERY roomy!
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Interesting. Very interesting. Now I must find my copy and read very carefully... Perhaps in the desert heat, they removed the canopy to prevent the pilot from being overheated?

And you're right, that cockpit is very roomy. I'm about 5'9"ish, and there would be even more room for me!

JG6_Oddball
05-10-2004, 07:51 PM
&lt;&lt;&lt;6,4 300 pounds..*sigh* guess im off to bomber school http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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roybaty
05-10-2004, 07:58 PM
During WWII shorter, stockier men were prefered for Stuka duty, seems they dealt with the high G pull outs better.

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T_O_A_D
05-10-2004, 08:24 PM
F19_Orheim
Your avatar looks like your brother LOL

Just where or what museum you at that lets you climb in?

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tsisqua
05-11-2004, 12:27 AM
Orheim!

That was awesome! I'm so jealous!


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F19_Olli72
05-11-2004, 12:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tsisqua:
Orheim!

That was awesome! I'm so jealous!


Tsisqua<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ditto! If im not mistaken thats Flygvapenmuseum in Link√¬∂ping, Sweden. But i dont think they just let anyone sit in it, some F19 doods made research for the J8 in FB so i think thats why. If not, im gonna go there and sit in it too!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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F19_Olli72
05-11-2004, 12:41 AM
Oh i forgot, back to topic. Ive heard of a pilot called 'Pitk√¬§-Jim'(Long-Jim)in FAF. Its said he was so tall that in the 109 he had to have his arm under his leg to use the stick. Early on he flew Gladiators and Fiat G50.

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F19_Orheim
05-11-2004, 02:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
F19_Orheim
Your avatar looks like your brother LOL

Just where or what museum you at that lets you climb in?
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Hehe T_O_A_D, that is Dr Muller from the comicbook Tintin, and I picked him as an avatar just because of his good looks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As for the museum, yes Olli is right, I am that "F19-dude http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" - it is Flygvapenmuseum in Link√¬∂ping (Malmen), Sweden.
And they do not let anybody sit in the cockpit, this is from the occassion when I went up there (July 2003) and took LOADS of pictures of the cockpit for the ingame J8A for our dear hero modeller Capt_Haddock (AKA F19_Haddock).

The J8A cockpit you guys "sit in" is 99% this one. This is the Original "Il2 FB J8A.


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J_Ramone
05-11-2004, 02:38 AM
Hehe, Orheim you need to work a little on that goatie, and you and Dr. Muller will be a perfect match!

Love the J8A and its beautiful interior. Thanks for your and your friend's effort here.

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P.S I find that the J8 is slightly better in a turnfight against the I-153, but slower and poorer visibility. However, the maneuverablitiy is stunning! A tie, I would say.

Kannaksen_hanu
05-11-2004, 03:08 AM
Finnish 109 pilot and ace Ilmari Joensuu (5 aerial kills) was 195cm (6.4 ft). But he was thinner http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ImpStarDuece
05-11-2004, 03:11 AM
US fighters had pretty generous cockpits, so pilot size limitations weren't really a problem. There are numerous accounts of P-47 and P-51 pilots picking up downed comrades and flying home for hundreds of kms with the both of them in the cockpit.

"European fighters" meaning UK and Germany -i'm not sure about France, USSR, Poland etc- genrally had smaller, tighter cockpits. Tests of the 109 during the war revealed that it was quite cramped and the stick was rther close in to the pilot. Spitfire cockpits were slightly larger, but not near the size of their American counterparts. Eagle squadron pilots who transfered from the Spit to the P-47 said it was like going from wearing a glove to wearing an oven mitt.

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muffinstomp
05-11-2004, 03:58 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by roybaty:
During WWII shorter, stockier men were prefered for Stuka duty, seems they dealt with the high G pull outs better.


You're right, that's what my Grandpa told me. He was in KG 53 being 1,60 m tall. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

F19_Orheim
05-11-2004, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kannaksen_hanu:
Finnish 109 pilot and ace Ilmari Joensuu (5 aerial kills) was 195cm (6.4 ft). But he was thinner http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hehe, well this was LAST year http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
lost 150 grams since then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

And I agree it's a tie between the J8A and the Chaika, just as long as you know how to fly them.

For tips how to handle the J8A, take a look at this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=880109983&r=663101093#663101093) thread...


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