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MrOblongo
05-27-2004, 08:25 PM
There were Vapor Catapults in the USA carriers at the end of the war (i have pictures of Hellcats being launched), so it will be added in the game?

MrOblongo
05-27-2004, 08:25 PM
There were Vapor Catapults in the USA carriers at the end of the war (i have pictures of Hellcats being launched), so it will be added in the game?

stansdds
05-28-2004, 06:02 AM
Actually the steam catapult was yet another British invention. Development was started in 1950. source quoted (http://www.stevenwillingale.com/cva.htm)

The U.S. used hydraulic catapults on its aircraft carriers, the first being developed in 1934. U.S. source quoted (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/cv-hist1.html)

The U.S. began testing steam catapults in 1954. U.S. steam source quoted (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/cv-hist4.html)

IV_JG51_Razor
05-28-2004, 11:23 AM
Yet another thing for Luthier to contemplate for implimentation in DF servers. I'm pretty sure that most, if not all, Essex class carriers had a catapult up forward. I think I read somewhere that initially, the Navy removed them early on (or just deactivated them), but reinstalled them later on in the war once the air groups began embarking with more and more aircraft. I am not referring to the one athwartships down in the hangar deck either. For sure, all the CVEs and CVLs had them, and used them regularly.

I wonder if Luthier couldn't arrange to have them usable as an option in the same way the TB-3SPB attaches the Ratas. You'd taxi up to the cat, and hit a key and presto, you're ready for launch. Maybe even a little graphic of the bridle would show. Run up the power and hit the release key, and BAM!! you're off to the races. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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stansdds
05-28-2004, 03:56 PM
Yep, off to the races, unless you pull back a little too hard on the control stick, in which case you will be off to the pool! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

MrOblongo
05-28-2004, 04:16 PM
Look at this picture, is a Ticonderoga Class (*edited) and it have something that look like catapults for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif:



http://66.132.176.8/priceofpeace/MrOblongo_pub/Hancock.JPG

[This message was edited by MrOblongo on Fri May 28 2004 at 08:43 PM.]

Chuck_Older
05-28-2004, 04:19 PM
What picture?

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MrOblongo
05-28-2004, 04:31 PM
Here is another picture, this time a Hellcat being prepared for Catapult launch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
http://66.132.176.8/priceofpeace/MrOblongo_pub/hellcat9.jpg

ploughman
05-28-2004, 04:53 PM
So those would be hydraulic catapults then, as described earlier in this thred. Hmmmm. Interesting...

stansdds
05-28-2004, 07:59 PM
Yep, hydraulic catapult. Somewhere along the line I read that the bridle cables sometimes slapped the drop tanks and could punch small holes in the tanks. So some of that extra fuel being carried leaked out and shortened the range of the aircraft.

Chuck_Older
05-28-2004, 08:23 PM
Ah, there is a picture now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I can't say if they are hydraulic, steam, or what...

But:

What are the dates those photos were taken on? To me, a pic of a Hellcat on carrier deck ready for launch could easily be taken after WWII, and might not prove anything, even if this was a steam cat in action.


In the first pic, I cannot see how the difference could be told between a steam and hydraulic cat at this distance. Plus, what's the date?

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MrOblongo
05-28-2004, 09:09 PM
Looking at the Hellcat insignia that cant be post ww2 , and the first one (i think) is in 1944 Leyte Gulf, not sure. (Photo Source: http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/EssexClass.htm , the last one)

Also take a look at the first picture on that list, is a Corsair in the Catapult ready to launch, in the CV-9

[This message was edited by MrOblongo on Fri May 28 2004 at 08:28 PM.]

[This message was edited by MrOblongo on Fri May 28 2004 at 08:29 PM.]

MrOblongo
05-28-2004, 09:35 PM
http://www.usshancockcv19.com/aircraft/f6f2.jpg

Picture Taken over CV-19 Hancock at February 14, 1945.

MrOblongo
05-28-2004, 09:40 PM
The first picture correspond to CV-19 Hancock Underway on 15 December 1944, during operations in the Philippines area.

Chuck_Older
05-29-2004, 06:36 AM
OK, so the dates are right, but how can you tell it's a steam cat and not hydraulic?

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Burnin_777_AVG
05-29-2004, 08:48 AM
Guys,

I don't believe catapults will be modeled. Another hard feature to add by the Fall. Sorry. At least according to Ilya at E3.

BV

Flydutch
05-29-2004, 11:14 AM
Well I don't see any steam...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MrOblongo:
The first picture correspond to CV-19 Hancock Underway on 15 December 1944, during operations in the Philippines area.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MrOblongo
05-29-2004, 03:38 PM
So there must be hydraulic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

x__CRASH__x
05-29-2004, 05:09 PM
Here is a carrier deck pic taken in 1942. USS Saratoga on patrol near Midway, I believe. It clearly shows steam catapults warming up getting ready to launch the Hellcat.

This proves that you are all whack.

http://www.beautifulwallpapers.com/wallpapers/mil/mil18.jpg

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rummyrum
05-29-2004, 05:28 PM
What is that a 109T clearly photoshopped in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif.

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IV_JG51_Razor
05-29-2004, 05:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Burnin_777_AVG:
Guys,

I don't believe catapults will be modeled. Another hard feature to add by the Fall. Sorry. At least according to Ilya at E3.

BV<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, that's a bummer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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MrOblongo
05-29-2004, 10:20 PM
Thanks for the contribution X_Crash_X http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif

Flydutch
05-30-2004, 05:03 PM
Look at those suicidial Deck crews that are standing to close the Propeller arc, of That Helcat attached to the steam catapult !


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
Here is a carrier deck pic taken in 1942. USS Saratoga on patrol near Midway, I believe. It clearly shows steam catapults warming up getting ready to launch the Hellcat.

This proves that you are all whack.

http://www.beautifulwallpapers.com/wallpapers/mil/mil18.jpg

_http://www.ghostskies.com_
http://www.ghostskies.com/
_http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

x__CRASH__x
05-30-2004, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MrOblongo:
Thanks for the contribution X_Crash_X http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You are very welc...

wait....


that was an insult!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif



(and a piss poor attempt at one, too! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

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