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RinoTheBouncer
12-18-2013, 10:53 AM
As the title says... use the poll to vote and discuss why yes and why no.

Btw, in case you don’t know, the AC mythology, specifically the First Civ. idea is based on the Ancient Astronauts theory that claims that some ancient civilizations came from space and either they created humans or interfered in our evolution to be a docile work force for them and we viewed them as gods because they had supreme science. Except that in AC, they’re not aliens, they’re natives.

The Sumerian Civilization is the oldest civilization known to mankind alongside Ancient Egypt and those along with the Mayans have had their share of connections to the Ancient Astronauts theory. In case you haven’t noticed, in ACIV, Baghdad Battery was mentioned in present day files, which is basically a real life battery that was found in Iraq. Its like a jar that can actually use some sort of acid and rods to generate electricity, and that’s like 3000-6000 BC. So not only how did they know how to do it but what for? I guess it could be a really rich era to explore since it’s historical and not fictional and it can easily link to the Pieces of Eden and the First Civ.In many writings of theirs, they listen names of kings that have reigned for up to 43,000 years “For centuries Tinea and I walked the earth, hoping to rekindle the spark of civilization” - Minerva.

I guess this all can be linked in some way since those mysteries can rhyme with the AC mythology and would make a brand new setting that is rarely explored in films or video games and literature. We’ve also known Iltani, an Assassin from Babylon (although much later in time from the era I’m talking about) but there you go, there are multiple mentions of the region and the Assassins and Templars have existed since the dawn of time, so we can go back to pre-Altair era and not necessarily from 1200-1900s.

It would still make an interesting game. ACIV was totally different from the past ones and the focus on Hidden Blades was much less then before so I guess we can’t say “no hidden blades pre-Altair so it won’t feel like an AC game”.What do you think?Here are some artworks of the city, thanks to our friend ze-topazio

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Реконструкця_лодки_у_причала_в_Эриду_на_которых_пл авали_в_Урук.jpghttp://cielotech.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/the_ancient_city_of_mari.jpghttp://www.theslideprojector.com/images/ancientcivilizations/mesopotamia/ur.jpghttp://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/iam733_photos/BABYLONIA/UROFTHECHALDEES.jpghttp://www.iraqiembassy.us/sites/default/files/photos/history_timeline_photo_01_2.jpghttp://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000NqeQYf2caoA/fit=1000x750/City-of-Ur.jpghttp://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/iam733_photos/BABYLONIA/UR-1.jpghttp://www.bibleorigins.net/CaptureWiz193.jpghttp://blog.artefacts-berlin.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/uruk_seleucid_main.pnghttp://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/Uruk-1.jpghttp://www.bible-archaeology.info/images/uruk5.jpghttp://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/eridu_2.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rNhRzKsM0rY/UTsAl7amlgI/AAAAAAAAAss/wNYn9_GnSiU/s640/1babylon.pnghttp://enenuru.net/visuals/balag/hires/Babylon aerial.jpgAnd these are from Babylon (The Hanging Gardens) and the other is the Minaret of Samara’a which is still standing till today. However, the Minaret of Samara’a was built in 848 rather than Sumerian times. So perhaps, if we got a modern day protagonist, they could go there and explore it in present day.http://theredlist.fr/media/database/architecture/history/architecture-persane/minaret-en-spirale de-samarra/003_minaret-en-spiralede-samarra_theredlist.jpghttp://www.listofwonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Hanging-Gardens-of-Babylon-2.jpg

AC2_alex
12-18-2013, 10:58 AM
In regards to story, it seems like a very intriguing concept. But wouldn't the gameplay suffer? How far back in time would this be?

pirate1802
12-18-2013, 11:09 AM
Yes, with all the power of my being, YES!

Sorry, I didn't even read your full post, just the title of it was enough for me to crave for it like a bloody addict.

RinoTheBouncer
12-18-2013, 11:37 AM
In regards to story, it seems like a very intriguing concept. But wouldn't the gameplay suffer? How far back in time would this be?

About 3000-6000 years BCE. I think the gameplay will be new rather than bad or good. It will be just new because they probably used different means to assassinate and both factions probably acted differently then and there were these powerful kings that controlled everything so I guess the enemies and the friends of the assassins will act differently. I believe we really need a change because thought I loved Edward’s pistols SO DAMN MUCH. I think, we’re about to get close to using rocket launchers and sniper rifles and in that case, I’d rather play a 2013 assassin’s creed game than a 1945 AC game.


Yes, with all the power of my being, YES!

Sorry, I didn't even read your full post, just the title of it was enough for me to crave for it like a bloody addict.

Much appreciated! I hope it happens and we both get to enjoy it. The post was mainly a clarifications for those who didn’t feel so interested in the title or didn’t know much.

pirate1802
12-18-2013, 11:43 AM
Much appreciated! I hope it happens and we both get to enjoy it. The post was mainly a clarifications for those who didn’t feel so interested in the title or didn’t know much.

Doesn't matter, make an AC anywhere in the ancient middle east and I'll be all over it like a kid. I daresay I wont even care that much about the plausibility of an AC story o the viability of weapons etc as long as they reconstruct the cities faithfully and give it the setting the feel that I expect, populate it with believable NPCs (in other word, a virtual simulation of that period) I'll play it till I die.

The hidden blade is not hidden anymore, it functions exactly as a dagger, its largely symbolic now. So I'd not be crying if they go before the hidden blade era. Anyhow, they can go the TWCB excuse to give the player unusually strong weapons anyway. And they can alter the cities a bit, take liberties with historical accuracy to felicitate parkour, just like they did with AC4 (and I liked that. AC3, in staying stubbornly with accuracy, created accurate but boring cities.)

roostersrule2
12-18-2013, 11:55 AM
Doesn't matter, make an AC anywhere in the ancient middle east and I'll be all over it like a kid. I daresay I wont even care that much about the plausibility of an AC story o the viability of weapons etc as long as they reconstruct the cities faithfully and give it the setting the feel that I expect, populate it with believable NPCs (in other word, a virtual simulation of that period) I'll play it till I die.

The hidden blade is not hidden anymore, it functions exactly as a dagger, its largely symbolic now. So I'd not be crying if they go before the hidden blade era. Anyhow, they can go the TWCB excuse to give the player unusually strong weapons anyway. And they can alter the cities a bit, take liberties with historical accuracy to felicitate parkour, just like they did with AC4 (and I liked that. AC3, in staying stubbornly with accuracy, created accurate but boring cities.)Basically this.

pirate1802
12-18-2013, 11:57 AM
Actually it would be very interesting to go back to that period and experience the birth of both Orders first hand. Exciting.

RinoTheBouncer
12-18-2013, 11:57 AM
Doesn't matter, make an AC anywhere in the ancient middle east and I'll be all over it like a kid. I daresay I wont even care that much about the plausibility of an AC story o the viability of weapons etc as long as they reconstruct the cities faithfully and give it the setting the feel that I expect, populate it with believable NPCs (in other word, a virtual simulation of that period) I'll play it till I die.

The hidden blade is not hidden anymore, it functions exactly as a dagger, its largely symbolic now. So I'd not be crying if they go before the hidden blade era. Anyhow, they can go the TWCB excuse to give the player unusually strong weapons anyway. And they can alter the cities a bit, take liberties with historical accuracy to felicitate parkour, just like they did with AC4 (and I liked that. AC3, in staying stubbornly with accuracy, created accurate but boring cities.)

I couldn’t agree more especially about the Hidden Blades.

Places like Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia would make an extremely breathtaking place. ACI was amazing and the only boring part was the repetition. If we go back to that style (of course in more ancient times) and I’ll play it forever. Besides, who wouldn’t wanna parkour on top of the ziggurats or the Minaret of Samara’a in Iraq or the Pyramids of Giza?

Thirsty_panda
12-18-2013, 12:00 PM
I voted just because you suggested something from the BC era.

A couple areas of note however:

1. If they do choose a setting before AC 1 on the timeline, the term Templar better not be so ingrained into Ubisofts head that they immediately call them templars.

2. I'm kinda split on the whole 1945 thing. I mean, around that time is when Abstergo is first founded. People look at the 1945 time period and only see World War 2, but by 1945 on the AC timeline a lot more was going on apparently. If they were to do this setting they could put more emphasis of the fictional part than usual.

RinoTheBouncer
12-18-2013, 12:06 PM
I voted just because you suggested something from the BC era.

A couple areas of note however:

1. If they do choose a setting before AC 1 on the timeline, the term Templar better not be so ingrained into Ubisofts head that they immediately call them templars.

2. I'm kinda split on the whole 1945 thing. I mean, around that time is when Abstergo is first founded. People look at the 1945 time period and only see World War 2, but by 1945 on the AC timeline a lot more was going on apparently. If they were to do this setting they could put more emphasis of the fictional part than usual.

I’d do anything to go back to the BC era. And you’re right, if they could actually pull a more-Abstergo-less-historical-events kinda story in 1945, that would be perfect. WWII can be just a background to the story or something that is happening while we’re doing the strictly Assassins vs. Templars related story. Perhaps some people get killed or some places get destroyed and that hinders our exploration and progression but not actually going to war and fighting nor taking sides. It can make a great backdrop but I want something about found Abstergo. After all, even if it looks modern, it’s called Assassin’s Creed not Ancient Creed.

I agree about naming the Templars in ancient times. They can call them anything else at first, any name of a historical clan who is known to have wanted world domination or something like that and then we understand that those are the templars. They can even pull an ACIII move and make us play as a Templar at the start and then discover that “whoa, this is the enemy”.

pirate1802
12-18-2013, 12:08 PM
Yep, if they go before the AC1 period, they better find another names for the two groups.

RinoTheBouncer
12-18-2013, 12:16 PM
Yep, if they go before the AC1 period, they better find another names for the two groups.
Yup. Or a good excuse to call them Assassins and Templars.

pirate1802
12-18-2013, 12:37 PM
Would prefer them finding another names tbh, but then again they can just handwave that away and say its the Animus translating those names. Still I'd prefer them to have new names. That'd enrich the lore so much. Our two factions before they were what we saw them as.

Sushiglutton
12-18-2013, 12:40 PM
Hehe I actually suggested a Mesopotamia trilogy less than a week ago :). One game in Sumer, Babylon and Assyria, respectively. And then let the modern day protagonist be a history student in modern day Iraq.

pirate1802
12-18-2013, 12:41 PM
Hehe I actually suggested a Mesopotamia trilogy less than a week ago :). One game in Sumer, Babylon and Assyria, respectively. And then let the modern day protagonist be a history student in modern day Iraq.

Stuff my dreams are made of.

RinoTheBouncer
12-18-2013, 12:45 PM
Hehe I actually suggested a Mesopotamia trilogy less than a week ago :). One game in Sumer, Babylon and Assyria, respectively. And then let the modern day protagonist be a history student in modern day Iraq.

I LOVE YOU!
I mean, God, why miss such a place with HUGE potential?


Would prefer them finding another names tbh, but then again they can just handwave that away and say its the Animus translating those names. Still I'd prefer them to have new names. That'd enrich the lore so much. Our two factions before they were what we saw them as.

Yeah. I’m cool with any names they give as long as the game is strong and consistent, story-wise and matters to the general AC universe and present day story.


Stuff my dreams are made of.


MINE TOO!
I’m Iraq btw and what Sushiglutton suggested can make me a the present day protagonist, even though I don’t live in Iraq now, hehe.

Sushiglutton
12-18-2013, 01:02 PM
I think setting hte modern part in an place that is actually interesting atm (sorry Canada!), such as Iraq, could be a way to revitalize it. Iknow I sadi in the other thread, that I want them to ditch it, but if they're gonne do it I'd prefer if it had some element of social commentary and not just sci-fi fluff.

adventurewomen
12-18-2013, 01:12 PM
This is just my opinion I'm not interested in this time period you mentioned OP to be honest. It's far to similar to AC1. Also this time period is just way too unspecific to be an Assassins Creed game so far all the games in the series have been about a focused time period. This empire you have stated is just too broad to be covered in an AC game.

ze_topazio
12-18-2013, 02:19 PM
Could work.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D 1%83%D0%BA%D1%86%D1%8F_%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BA%D0 %B8_%D1%83_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0 %B0_%D0%B2_%D0%AD%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B4%D1%83_%D0%BD%D 0%B0_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B%D1%85_%D 0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D 0%A3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BA.jpg
http://cielotech.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/the_ancient_city_of_mari.jpg
http://www.theslideprojector.com/images/ancientcivilizations/mesopotamia/ur.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/iam733_photos/BABYLONIA/UROFTHECHALDEES.jpg
http://www.iraqiembassy.us/sites/default/files/photos/history_timeline_photo_01_2.jpg
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000NqeQYf2caoA/fit=1000x750/City-of-Ur.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/iam733_photos/BABYLONIA/UR-1.jpg
http://www.bibleorigins.net/CaptureWiz193.jpg
http://blog.artefacts-berlin.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/uruk_seleucid_main.png
http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/Uruk-1.jpg
http://www.bible-archaeology.info/images/uruk5.jpg
http://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/eridu_2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rNhRzKsM0rY/UTsAl7amlgI/AAAAAAAAAss/wNYn9_GnSiU/s640/1babylon.png
http://enenuru.net/visuals/balag/hires/Babylon%20aerial.jpg

pirate1802
12-18-2013, 03:00 PM
Dayum

RinoTheBouncer
12-18-2013, 04:07 PM
Could work.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Реконструкця_лодки_у_причала_в_Эриду_на_которых_пл авали_в_Урук.jpg
http://cielotech.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/the_ancient_city_of_mari.jpg
http://www.theslideprojector.com/images/ancientcivilizations/mesopotamia/ur.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/iam733_photos/BABYLONIA/UROFTHECHALDEES.jpg
http://www.iraqiembassy.us/sites/default/files/photos/history_timeline_photo_01_2.jpg
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000NqeQYf2caoA/fit=1000x750/City-of-Ur.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/iam733_photos/BABYLONIA/UR-1.jpg
http://www.bibleorigins.net/CaptureWiz193.jpg
http://blog.artefacts-berlin.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/uruk_seleucid_main.png
http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/Uruk-1.jpg
http://www.bible-archaeology.info/images/uruk5.jpg
http://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/eridu_2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rNhRzKsM0rY/UTsAl7amlgI/AAAAAAAAAss/wNYn9_GnSiU/s640/1babylon.png
http://enenuru.net/visuals/balag/hires/Babylon aerial.jpg

This is too perfect to miss eh? I can see an assassin roaming around these streets and climbing those ziggurats.

This screams SYNCHRONIZE ME, I’M A VIEWPOINT!

Minaret of Samara'a
http://theredlist.fr/media/database/architecture/history/architecture-persane/minaret-en-spirale de-samarra/003_minaret-en-spiralede-samarra_theredlist.jpg

The Hanging Gardens:
http://www.listofwonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Hanging-Gardens-of-Babylon-2.jpg

Megas_Doux
12-18-2013, 04:11 PM
Assyria, Sumer and Babylon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ancient Egypt, to me.

I would kill for this setting, the beginning of civilization and thus, why not the rebirth of these two views, freedom vs order/peace, lots of TWCB stuff....... With background music like this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vww7eQYhPMc

RinoTheBouncer
12-18-2013, 04:18 PM
Assyria, Sumer and Babylon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ancient Egypt, to me.

I would kill for this setting, the beginning of civilization and thus, why not the rebirth of these two views, freedom vs order/peace, lots of TWCB stuff....... With background music like this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vww7eQYhPMc

Man, you’re a genius. Thank you.
This would make an EPIC video game.

Megas_Doux
12-18-2013, 04:49 PM
Man, you’re a genius. Thank you.
This would make an EPIC video game.

Congrats to Melechesh, an assyrian metal band and Sargon of Akkad, aka The Great, the first Emperor in recorded History......

RoBg03
12-18-2013, 05:28 PM
seems like it would be a cool setting. no guns...you did however touch on something that really bothers me...the whole ancient astronauts thing. i f-ing hate that show. it's one thing to theorize that some aliens fooled with our dna, but that show on history takes it way too far. they turned an interesting 2 hour special into a show and it shows. those guys on that show act like its amazing that ancient people would all think the gods could fly and were from the stars. no sh*t...doesn't mean that thor was an alien.

FrankieSatt
12-18-2013, 06:42 PM
As far as the 1945 time era, I would hate idea.

What we don't need is more guns in Assassin's Creed during the ancestor's game play. We have enough technology is the "Present Day" game play, the only reason to go back in time is to visit the really ancient time periods.

I'm all for ancient Sumeria, Egypt or anywhere in the Ancient Middle East. I don't want to go any further in time than they already have with Conner and that time frame.

lothario-da-be
12-18-2013, 08:01 PM
This must happen! Its the perfect location for an ac game. Something new and fresh. Before ac1, no guns... And naval lol.

aL_____eX
12-18-2013, 08:04 PM
I would love to have AC set in ancient times. The pictures look just epic and I really could imagine being an Assassin (or whatever they are called then) and dealing with the Templars at this time. Also they could go back to the First Civ storyline again, which I would really appreciate.

There is only ONE thing, a game like this will never become real. AC always had settings, which were historically proven. The took milestones in history and mixed them up with their fictional writting. So how much do we know about Ancient Egypt today? We can only guess how it was. And big historical events? I don't know, how the story of such a game would or could be.

So... First preorder for an AC in ancient times would be me, but I really can not imagine how to deal with storytelling in this game!

lothario-da-be
12-18-2013, 08:07 PM
I would love to have AC set in ancient times. The pictures look just epic and I really could imagine being an Assassin (or whatever they are called then) and dealing with the Templars at this time. Also they could go back to the First Civ storyline again, which I would really appreciate.

There is only ONE thing, a game like this will never become real. AC always had settings, which were historically proven. The took milestones in history and mixed them up with their fictional writting. So how much do we know about Ancient Egypt today? We can only guess how it was. And big historical events? I don't know, how the story of such a game would or could be.

So... First preorder for an AC in ancient times would be me, but I really can not imagine how to deal with storytelling in this game!
It would give them a lot of freedom though. So it depends on you whatever its a + or a - .

pirate1802
12-18-2013, 08:20 PM
This must happen! Its the perfect location for an ac game. Something new and fresh. Before ac1, no guns... And naval lol.

This must not happen in the sequel. Absolutely not.

BATISTABUS
12-18-2013, 09:00 PM
This'd be pretty awesome. The further back, the better. Even if creative liberties would need to be taken, I'd like to see how far back in history Ubisoft could make work.

RinoTheBouncer
12-19-2013, 06:18 PM
Congrats to Melechesh, an assyrian metal band and Sargon of Akkad, aka The Great, the first Emperor in recorded History......

Definitely. They can pick an part of the mesopotamian history and explore it whether from a Babylonian perspective looking at the Sumerians in the past or Sumerians themselves having some knowledge of the Pieces of Eden and of course the whole Assassins vs. Templars conflict in those time including the fighting mechanics, the story, the setting.. not to mention the recorded mythologies and history and the rulers of course and their allegiances.


seems like it would be a cool setting. no guns...you did however touch on something that really bothers me...the whole ancient astronauts thing. i f-ing hate that show. it's one thing to theorize that some aliens fooled with our dna, but that show on history takes it way too far. they turned an interesting 2 hour special into a show and it shows. those guys on that show act like its amazing that ancient people would all think the gods could fly and were from the stars. no sh*t...doesn't mean that thor was an alien.

I understand, a lot of people just couldn’t accept the idea of Ancient Astronauts. I only mentioned it because it’’s strikingly similar to the whole TWCB theory which is one of the pivotal elements of the game. It was all from Earth and happening on Earth because the First Civilization are not aliens as we know, they’re natives so it’s good to twist these concepts to match AC rather than Ancient Astronauts because the potential is there.


As far as the 1945 time era, I would hate idea.

What we don't need is more guns in Assassin's Creed during the ancestor's game play. We have enough technology is the "Present Day" game play, the only reason to go back in time is to visit the really ancient time periods.

I'm all for ancient Sumeria, Egypt or anywhere in the Ancient Middle East. I don't want to go any further in time than they already have with Conner and that time frame.

I agree. I wouldn’t want something in the 1900s. I’d rather go to ancient history and the Middle East and I don’t think they’ll resemble ACI because Masyaf is in no way similar to Iraq or Egypt. And I don’t wanna go near Connor and Edward’s time periods.


I would love to have AC set in ancient times. The pictures look just epic and I really could imagine being an Assassin (or whatever they are called then) and dealing with the Templars at this time. Also they could go back to the First Civ storyline again, which I would really appreciate.

There is only ONE thing, a game like this will never become real. AC always had settings, which were historically proven. The took milestones in history and mixed them up with their fictional writting. So how much do we know about Ancient Egypt today? We can only guess how it was. And big historical events? I don't know, how the story of such a game would or could be.

So... First preorder for an AC in ancient times would be me, but I really can not imagine how to deal with storytelling in this game!

Well there were a lot of battles and events occurring in that time that were recorded in cuneiform and hieroglyphs and stories that were documented in addition to the myths and the stories they wrote. There were also some written stuff that it isn’t clear whether it was real or a story. I guess it can serve AC well because it will be a mixture of fact and fiction and focus more on the Assassins rather than just the major events and battles like in ACIII for example which was more focused on actual history than the main story itself.


This must not happen in the sequel. Absolutely not.

I agree. I guess he was kidding hehe. I think Naval battles can’t be present in the near future at least. We’ve had enough.

Charles_Phipps
12-19-2013, 06:20 PM
No. I wouldn't.

GreySkellig
12-19-2013, 08:57 PM
As an archaeologist and historian, the civilizations of Sumer are fascinating. They're grandiose, mysterious, and ingenious. HOWEVER, I think it would make a horrible, horrible, horrible game.

First off, Ubisoft is already on an annual schedule, and now they're under even more strain working on two console generations (and possibly two games) at once. A Sumerian game would require an exceptional level of historical dedication and guesswork. They simply could never do the research necessary to prevent this game from being historical farce. And since Ubi has really impressed me with most of the AC games' fidelity to history, I'd completely sign off the series if they did something like this.

Second, we just don't know enough about the politics of Sumer to do an AC-style intrigue game. Ubisoft likes 85% of the NPC speaking characters to be real historical figures who are recognizable to those brushed up on the history of the era. That's just not possible in Sumer. Egypt might make a better candidate in this regard, but falls flat when it comes to worthwhile cities and wilderness for exploration.

Long story short: No. A thousand flaming screaming times no.

RinoTheBouncer
12-19-2013, 10:43 PM
As an archaeologist and historian, the civilizations of Sumer are fascinating. They're grandiose, mysterious, and ingenious. HOWEVER, I think it would make a horrible, horrible, horrible game.

First off, Ubisoft is already on an annual schedule, and now they're under even more strain working on two console generations (and possibly two games) at once. A Sumerian game would require an exceptional level of historical dedication and guesswork. They simply could never do the research necessary to prevent this game from being historical farce. And since Ubi has really impressed me with most of the AC games' fidelity to history, I'd completely sign off the series if they did something like this.

Second, we just don't know enough about the politics of Sumer to do an AC-style intrigue game. Ubisoft likes 85% of the NPC speaking characters to be real historical figures who are recognizable to those brushed up on the history of the era. That's just not possible in Sumer. Egypt might make a better candidate in this regard, but falls flat when it comes to worthwhile cities and wilderness for exploration.

Long story short: No. A thousand flaming screaming times no.

The annual releases plan excuse is totally wrong because that means they should start doing bad or simplistic games because they don’t have time, instead, they should do a good game and wait not ditch a good storyline in favor of quantity. I’d rather play a game in such setting with more fiction than historical facts than play a game that is 80% about some faction that appeals to the mainstream (i.e Pirates, French Revolution, England or Japan) and 20% Assassin’s Creed.

JazAC3
12-19-2013, 11:14 PM
Yea baby. More old more better. This is why AC have to ship every year there are to many locations and times to visit. They need like 3 teams working on big installment of AC to ship every year amazing and big quality games like Black Flag with a lot of new things.

thewhitestig
12-19-2013, 11:18 PM
Sumerian setting? Hmmm I dunno. If the annunaki aliens come to earth in search for monoatomic gold, why not? LOL - just in case you didn't get it, that was a reference to the esoteric books of Zecharia Sitchin and his theories about ancient aliens creating the human king mixing their DNA with the DNA of primates. Oh... the world is just full of ********ters.

aL_____eX
12-19-2013, 11:33 PM
Sumerian setting? Hmmm I dunno. If the annunaki aliens come to earth in search for monoatomic gold, why not? LOL - just in case you didn't get it, that was a reference to the esoteric books of Zecharia Sitchin and his theories about ancient aliens creating the human king mixing their DNA with the DNA of primates. Oh... the world is just full of ********ters.
I'm not aware of this ancient alien story, but it reminds me a bit of the chronicle of The Ones Who Came Before, as Minerva once said they mixed up their DNA with humans. Desmond is the best example, I think it's ACIII where you find out he can interact with the First Civ stuff because of his DNA

thewhitestig
12-19-2013, 11:36 PM
I'm not aware of this ancient alien story, but it reminds me a bit of the chronicle of The Ones Who Came Before, as Minerva once said they mixed up their DNA with humans. Desmond is the best example, I think it's ACIII where you find out he can interact with the First Civ stuff because of his DNA

Zecharia Sitchin is HUGE in the esoteric world. As is Erich von Dänikenn and David Icke. This video pretty much sums it all up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJJjOKmwl6s

aL_____eX
12-19-2013, 11:41 PM
HAHA Okay is this video serious? Adamski, still gonna watch it till the end... and for everyone who wants to watch it, go to 23:00. That scared the hell out of me!

EDIT: This is just to much NWO and Illuminati **** for one video!!! This can't be for real... I took it to serious^^ Got fooled by this one!

thewhitestig
12-20-2013, 01:30 AM
HAHA Okay is this video serious? Adamski, still gonna watch it till the end... and for everyone who wants to watch it, go to 23:00. That scared the hell out of me!

EDIT: This is just to much NWO and Illuminati **** for one video!!! This can't be for real... I took it to serious^^ Got fooled by this one!

Of course it's not true. This is just silly conspiracy theories. People need to think critically and look at the facts. Anyways lets not go out of topic here. I just wanted to say that a lot of the media is influenced by those ancient aliens theory. The Stargate franchise for example. AC is somewhat influenced by those specific esoteric writers.

RinoTheBouncer
01-02-2014, 03:32 PM
Of course it's not true. This is just silly conspiracy theories. People need to think critically and look at the facts. Anyways lets not go out of topic here. I just wanted to say that a lot of the media is influenced by those ancient aliens theory. The Stargate franchise for example. AC is somewhat influenced by those specific esoteric writers.

Yup. The First Civilization plot is almost identical to the Ancient Astronauts theory with the only exception is that they’re the natives of Earth and did not come from anywhere else.

oliacr
01-02-2014, 07:30 PM
No first civ. and it can be great, by the way anything before 1600 AD.. In my opinion.

RinoTheBouncer
01-02-2014, 10:13 PM
No first civ. and it can be great, by the way anything before 1600 AD.. In my opinion.

I wish for a First Civ. era game. I think it would make a great finale.
I wish for something in BC times. We don’t have to be stuck between Post-Altair and Pre-WWI

oliacr
01-02-2014, 10:29 PM
I wish for a First Civ. era game. I think it would make a great finale.
I wish for something in BC times. We don’t have to be stuck between Post-Altair and Pre-WWI

Ubisoft has countless settings for an AC game, the most is before 1800 because the history after 1800 is kinda empty for me. (-except a few-I know what happened and when but you know, I'm more interested in medieval, ancient times.) We need a new era. We had the Crusades then the Italian Renaissance with the Ottoman setting then we are here in the Colonial era. (1-3-3 Games)

I would like to see a pre-crusade period there are tons of that. On the other hand I would like to see something special between the crusades and colonial, not the renaissance. (My opinion here was the feudal Japan- I know a lot of people even Ubisoft sad that feudal Japan is kinda boring period for an AC game, but since I've played with Shogun TW, I really want to see that in a sandbox game. I do not want any sci-fi and mithology riddled settings - What we have now for these sci-fi and mithology and things like that is enough not need more.

Or, You can remember in AC2 the sanctuary 6 assassin statues were there, we simply could play one of those, that would be amazing too - they were interesting assassinos and assassinated great leaders.

And no modern day stuff. I mean not for the main setting.

RinoTheBouncer
01-02-2014, 10:36 PM
Ubisoft has countless settings for an AC game, the most is before 1800 because the history after 1800 is kinda empty for me. (-except a few-I know what happened and when but you know, I'm more interested in medieval, ancient times.) We need a new era. We had the Crusades then the Italian Renaissance with the Ottoman setting then we are here in the Colonial era. (1-3-3 Games)

I would like to see a pre-crusade period there are tons of that. On the other hand I would like to see something special between the crusades and colonial, not the renaissance. (My opinion here was the feudal Japan- I know a lot of people even Ubisoft sad that feudal Japan is kinda boring period for an AC game, but since I've played with Shogun TW, I really want to see that in a sandbox game. I do not want any sci-fi and mithology riddled settings - What we have now for these sci-fi and mithology and things like that is enough not need more.

Or, You can remember in AC2 the sanctuary 6 assassin statues were there, we simply could play one of those, that would be amazing too - they were interesting assassinos and assassinated great leaders.

Well, history in the times of the Sumerian Civilization or Ancient Egypt would be really great. Something movies don’t explore quite often unless it’s about ancient aliens or mummies or Moses. I think it would be interesting to see those types of civilizations being covered. Babylon is good and one of those statues you mentioned is Iltani and she’s from Babylon and the other is also from a more ancient period of time.

I’d love to see that in action and I guess it was really interesting seeing the Grand Temple in ACII and the Vault in AC:B and ACII. They weren’t the typical sci-fi stuff nor the magical stuff that you see often. The interiors, the mythology and all was so great and if a First Civ. game ever happens, I’d love to see it focusing more on Adam and Eve. Imagine how many eavesdropping, tailing and stealth skills we’ll use to find information. Or it could be set in an ancient period and we get to visit the First Civ. era through stuff like the Masyaf Keys, briefly.

oliacr
01-02-2014, 10:54 PM
Well, history in the times of the Sumerian Civilization or Ancient Egypt would be really great. Something movies don’t explore quite often unless it’s about ancient aliens or mummies or Moses. I think it would be interesting to see those types of civilizations being covered. Babylon is good and one of those statues you mentioned is Iltani and she’s from Babylon and the other is also from a more ancient period of time.

I’d love to see that in action and I guess it was really interesting seeing the Grand Temple in ACII and the Vault in AC:B and ACII. They weren’t the typical sci-fi stuff nor the magical stuff that you see often. The interiors, the mythology and all was so great and if a First Civ. game ever happens, I’d love to see it focusing more on Adam and Eve. Imagine how many eavesdropping, tailing and stealth skills we’ll use to find information. Or it could be set in an ancient period and we get to visit the First Civ. era through stuff like the Masyaf Keys, briefly.

You mean AC III for Grand Temple :D Iltani she assassinated one of the greatest millitary leaders in the history - Alexander the Great so yes she could be very interesting - imagine Babylonia omg... I would like to see this in a game too. Poisoning one of the greatest.
Yes in Ancient times, nearly everything could be good. I just don't like those sci-fi magical stuff (not need more, but not need less, perfect amount - sometimes it interesting though - but If I want to play with those magical stuff I should search another game.) This is why I love the AC because its about history, and no magical stuff but you know... It's like .. kind of this. QUOTE.

I think the moral of any story matches the temper of the man telling it.

To mention the others from the sanctuary.
Iltani - Ancient Macedon Empire, Babylonia --- Assassinated: Alexander the Great
Leonius - Ancient Rome --- Assassinated: Caligula
Amunet - Ancient Egypt --- Assassinated: Cleopatra VII
Wei Yu - Ancient China --- Assassinated: Qin Shi Huang
Darius - Persia - Dark age(Middle-ages) 5th century --- Assassinated: Xerxes I of Persia
Qulan Gal - Mongolia around 1250 AD alongside with Altair's son Darim(Middle-ages) --- Assassinated: Genghis Khan

Each of them is good. And the most of them are ancient world.

RinoTheBouncer
01-02-2014, 10:56 PM
You mean AC III for Grand Temple :D Iltani she assassinated one of the greatest millitary leaders in the history - Alexander the Great so yes she could be very interesting - imagine Babylonia omg... I would like to see this in a game too. Poisoning one of the greatest.
Yes in Ancient times, nearly everything could be good. I just don't like those sci-fi magical stuff (not need more, but not need less, perfect amount - sometimes it interesting though - but If I want to play with those magical stuff I should search another game.) This is why I love the AC because its about history, and no magical stuff but you know... It's like .. kind of this. QUOTE.

Yeah, I can imagine Babylon looking so amazing and it would be a mixture of things I love, female assassin, ancient times and babylon! I also don’t want much magical stuff. I want it to be more scientific and more realistic conspiracies with a tint of sci-fi but not a whole sci-fi theme.

yankeegamergirl
01-02-2014, 11:16 PM
I think your suggestion is a very good one, well thought out and ties in very well (if not perfectly) with the AC myth. I would like to see more ancient civilizations in the series in general and I actually thought that is what we would get after Ezio's story finished. Egypt is an obvious choice and I would be surprised if it didn't cross the minds at Ubisoft (and being someone who studied Egyptology I would be all over it!). However I think your suggestion of Sumeria is unique. Me personally I would prefer one set in ancient 'Greece' first spanning from the mythological eras spoken of in the Homeric poems to the Classical era of Athens. I think re-creating these would be stunning but I'm not sure how much of ancient Greece has already been used in other games because I don't play many other titles. I know of God of War but I don't see a clash there in that they seem to be two different types of games although I never played the former. Moreover pulling from Ancient Greek mythology might make them nervous (not wanting to tread on toes of other games). I wouldn't miss the blade too much even though its my favorite weapon. I didn't like ACIII because it lost what I loved about the series which was stealth. I haven't purchased ACIV for the same reason in that I don't like where the games are going in terms of gameplay. I think going to BCE times would return a sort of purity to the abilities and weapons of the assassin that I preferred in the early games as opposed to me having to face gunfire which I found tedious and unfair. So yeah bring on the ancients please! :)

RinoTheBouncer
01-02-2014, 11:29 PM
I think your suggestion is a very good one, well thought out and ties in very well (if not perfectly) with the AC myth. I would like to see more ancient civilizations in the series in general and I actually thought that is what we would get after Ezio's story finished. Egypt is an obvious choice and I would be surprised if it didn't cross the minds at Ubisoft (and being someone who studied Egyptology I would be all over it!). However I think your suggestion of Sumeria is unique. Me personally I would prefer one set in ancient 'Greece' first spanning from the mythological eras spoken of in the Homeric poems to the Classical era of Athens. I think re-creating these would be stunning but I'm not sure how much of ancient Greece has already been used in other games because I don't play many other titles. I know of God of War but I don't see a clash there in that they seem to be two different types of games although I never played the former. Moreover pulling from Ancient Greek mythology might make them nervous (not wanting to tread on toes of other games). I wouldn't miss the blade too much even though its my favorite weapon. I didn't like ACIII because it lost what I loved about the series which was stealth. I haven't purchased ACIV for the same reason in that I don't like where the games are going in terms of gameplay. I think going to BCE times would return a sort of purity to the abilities and weapons of the assassin that I preferred in the early games as opposed to me having to face gunfire which I found tedious and unfair. So yeah bring on the ancients please! :)

THANK YOU!

I agree with every word. Going back to Ancient Times will make sure that parkour/free running and assassination skills in addition to some simple yet effective weapons might be much better than using fancy swords, guns, shotguns or the likes. In such ancient eras, we’re gonna see one of the least covered locations in art, be it film or video games or one of the biggest locations that one would dream to have the luxury of roaming around them and uncovering their secrets.

Ancient eras will introduce us to stuff we don’t study about often nor encounter in real life or mainstream movies and we’re also gonna see the true colors of an assassin doing his job based solely on his skills. New mechanics, new moves and abilities, new everything in addition to an original story that ties perfectly to the atmosphere of the AC mythology.

yankeegamergirl
01-03-2014, 05:47 PM
THANK YOU!

I agree with every word. Going back to Ancient Times will make sure that parkour/free running and assassination skills in addition to some simple yet effective weapons might be much better than using fancy swords, guns, shotguns or the likes. In such ancient eras, we’re gonna see one of the least covered locations in art, be it film or video games or one of the biggest locations that one would dream to have the luxury of roaming around them and uncovering their secrets.

Ancient eras will introduce us to stuff we don’t study about often nor encounter in real life or mainstream movies and we’re also gonna see the true colors of an assassin doing his job based solely on his skills. New mechanics, new moves and abilities, new everything in addition to an original story that ties perfectly to the atmosphere of the AC mythology.

Yes...I would thoroughly enjoy a return to assassins doing what they do best 'based solely on his/her skills'...I like that. :) Oh I long for the day. The AC series became my favorite game/s of all time (knocking GTA off it's perch) because of the early titles and I want to feel that love for it again.
We need a campaign for this! :)

RinoTheBouncer
01-03-2014, 06:00 PM
Yes...I would thoroughly enjoy a return to assassins doing what they do best 'based solely on his/her skills'...I like that. :) Oh I long for the day. The AC series became my favorite game/s of all time (knocking GTA off it's perch) because of the early titles and I want to feel that love for it again.
We need a campaign for this! :)

EXACTLY!

AC rapidly climbed to the top of my most favorite game franchises and that’s with the first two games and I really don’t wanna see it going downhill to a reductive version of it’s former self, begging for online multiplayer fans or plotless shooters’ fans to join it. I want it to remain original. Remain as new as it first was. Sadly, the annualisation of the series is giving less and less time for development and favoring quantity over quality. And yes, we should definitely campaign for this!

yankeegamergirl
01-03-2014, 06:16 PM
Releasing the game annually is a massive problem for me also and so many fans have been put off by that...it smells of corporate greed. People who used to be fans are already starting to bore of the title because of the annual releases. They need a total re-think of what they're doing to this series. And just as this thread suggests I think an ancient civilization coupled with an imaginative and well written story could once again bring excitement back to a game that was innovative and a breath of fresh air . I would gladly wait two to three years for a fantastic title. Come on UBISOFT give us quality and no more bandwagons! (*ahem* pirates theme :p)

RinoTheBouncer
01-03-2014, 06:20 PM
Releasing the game annually is a massive problem for me also and so many fans have been put off by that...it smells of corporate greed. People who used to be fans are already starting to bore of the title because of the annual releases. They need a total re-think of what they're doing to this series. And just as this thread suggests I think an ancient civilization coupled with an imaginative and well written story could once again bring excitement back to a game that was innovative and a breath of fresh air . I would gladly wait two to three years for a fantastic title. Come on UBISOFT give us quality and no more bandwagons! (*ahem* pirates theme :p)

YUP YUP! PERFECTLY SAID!

I don’t mind getting a new game every year with one condition that these annual games are as high quality as ACII,AC:B and AC:R. So hey Ubisoft, don’t pick a famous faction and a mainstream setting and desperately try to link it to the assassins. I sure would wait 2-3 years for a game that will make me talk about it for another 2 years.

yankeegamergirl
01-03-2014, 06:36 PM
I know right!

adventurewomen
01-03-2014, 06:36 PM
Releasing the game annually is a massive problem for me also and so many fans have been put off by that...it smells of corporate greed. People who used to be fans are already starting to bore of the title because of the annual releases. They need a total re-think of what they're doing to this series. And just as this thread suggests I think an ancient civilization coupled with an imaginative and well written story could once again bring excitement back to a game that was innovative and a breath of fresh air . I would gladly wait two to three years for a fantastic title. Come on UBISOFT give us quality and no more bandwagons! (*ahem* pirates theme :p)
Agreed, well said!

RinoTheBouncer
01-07-2014, 12:17 PM
Agreed, well said!
Glad we have more supporters!

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Megas_Doux
05-05-2014, 01:50 AM
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DumbGamerTag94
05-05-2014, 02:11 AM
I would be ok with it considering it would be a kind of Assassin's Origin story since Samaria was the first real "Civilization". However I am a little cautious since it would be Sooooooooo far back, we would end up with basically nothing but a short sword and dagger(even the hidden blade wasn't around since the first Assassin to use it was mentioned in AC2 and I believe he was in Persia). An AC with no hidden blade? idk, and we would also lose some features on account of going back in time, so I'm a little on the fence on this one

I wish you would have included an "Im not sure button", or a "Maybe" I voted yes, but its very apprehensive.

DumbGamerTag94
05-05-2014, 02:51 AM
YUP YUP! PERFECTLY SAID!

I don’t mind getting a new game every year with one condition that these annual games are as high quality as ACII,AC:B and AC:R. So hey Ubisoft, don’t pick a famous faction and a mainstream setting and desperately try to link it to the assassins. I sure would wait 2-3 years for a game that will make me talk about it for another 2 years.

Are you serious? Like the Crusader Armies and Knights Templar of AC1 aren't fameous? and the Crusades/Medieval times aren't main stream?(theres Medieval Total War(video game)(2 of them one with multiple side campaigns one of which is the crusades), Kingdom of Heaven(Movie) just one among MANY movies set at that time, add to the fact that just about every childrens story ever takes place in medieval times. There's even a chain of restaurants in tourist areas that is hugely popular called "Medieval Times") Templars are DEFINATELY main stream, they are mentioned in countless movies, books, games, etc. does National Treasure or the Davinci Code ring a bell(both were hugely popular movies based in part around the Templars.

AC2: The renaissance is SUPER Main Stream, Ever hear of a thing called a "Renaissance Fair?" Its so popular and main stream that they have annual events were people reenact it and such, in places WHERE IT DIDN'T EVEN HISTORICALLY HAPPEN!!! And just about any kid in elementary school art class can tell you who Leonardo Davinci was. He's not main stream at allllllllll???? lol. And what about our enemies in AC2 and ACB? Rodrigo Borgia aka Pope Alexander VI. and Caesare Borgia Captian General of the Papal Armies. The first was the head of the Roman Catholic Church, some of his minions were part of the church, and in Brotherhood all except for the Frenchman are part of the Church(and the Setting is Rome and the Vatican)(Catholicism is The largest religion in the world btw) THAT ISN'T MAIN STREAM? And Caesare Borgia is probably one of the most fameous men in Italian history, he practically was the first to unify Italy, hes kind of a big deal.

ACR: This is probably the only one that's not truly "Main Stream" on a global scale anyway. In Turkey they would probably find this main stream considering Suleman(The Magnificent) is one of the major figures. You don't get called The Magnificent for being a schlub nobodies heard of. And Istanbul is kind of a big deal as far as sight seeing. Ask anyone who travels a lot they've probably been there(its a main stream destination). So this too isn't obscure by any means.

Just because you don't like an idea doesn't mean its "Main Stream" and just because you do doesn't mean its not. I mean pirates are a big deal for movies but honestly how many console games are set there? And of those how many were any good and people actually play? The American revolution was no more main stream than any of the other periods, and really its hardly ever touched by games at all. The only game I can think of that uses that setting is the campaign to Empire Total War(which is a PC strategy and the story campaign is optional to play).

I like the fact that AC takes POPULAR time periods, that aren't well covered in games and manages to make an enjoyable experience in each. But Settings that aren't "Main Stream" has never been a thing for AC I don't know why you think it should or that it ever was. After all you want people to BUY and PLAY the game you are going to set it in a time and place people know that will draw attention to it. I mean main stream times are awesome that's why they are main stream. Would you rather play a game set in The French Revolution?, or Toronto Canada 1990? The first is main stream, the latter is off the wall and risky, yet it doesn't sound interesting at all, so average joe isn't going to pick it up and become an AC fan, and long time fans would get bored, so all you are left with is a small group of hardcore fans to pander to, and it sells like 6 copies. That's how series die.

As for having 2-3 year waits though. I agree with that. I feel they should take their time with the games and make them truly good and allow for people to be really impressed, and anticipate a new one. It would also allow for them to actually polish these things, some in particular have felt a bit rushed because well they are(AC3, ACR). Just take your time Ubi, and make these games the best they can be AC3 for example felt like it was too forced, things were missing, and opportunities were missed. A longer period between games can avoid this kind of thing, and provide better quality, and avoid series fatigue.

STDlyMcStudpants
05-05-2014, 04:42 AM
TBH I don't care about the setting at all... I've came to the realization that WHERE isn't what makes me like ac, but more so WHEN and WHY.
I just want AC to go back to being philosophical and religion heavy again...
I mean I love you Kenway saga...
But I want AC to make me think, imagine, and wonder again..something I haven't done since Assassin's Creed Revelations......
I want to be a heretic.. I want the people in the streets to boo me again.. i miss that more than anything...
I'm over pistols...I'm over muskets... I'm over political wars (you know what i mean..revolutions)

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Thank you so much for the images. Now tell me how this WONDERFUL setting cannot make a PERFECT AC game. I mean it’s an old civilization which is the first known civilization to man, which rings a bell to the First Civ. story not to mention how much is told about this period in Ancient Aliens theories which are one of the inspirations of the First Civ. mythology in AC.

I think this would be perfect on all accounts. The setting, the story, the people, the myths, the atmosphere..everything.


However I am a little cautious since it would be Sooooooooo far back, we would end up with basically nothing but a short sword and dagger.

I honestly found that to be one of the positive sides of it because AC’s become way too heavy on weapons and equipments and maybe all we need is an AC game that requires skill and stealth and using the little we have to accomplish the mission instead of playing as a mobile armory.


Are you serious? Like the Crusader Armies and Knights Templar of AC1 aren't fameous? and the Crusades/Medieval times aren't main stream?(theres Medieval Total War(video game)(2 of them one with multiple side campaigns one of which is the crusades), Kingdom of Heaven(Movie) just one among MANY movies set at that time, add to the fact that just about every childrens story ever takes place in medieval times. There's even a chain of restaurants in tourist areas that is hugely popular called "Medieval Times") Templars are DEFINATELY main stream, they are mentioned in countless movies, books, games, etc. does National Treasure or the Davinci Code ring a bell(both were hugely popular movies based in part around the Templars.

They were mainstream but they were more of a background to the story, like a singer performing on the stage with a video on a screen behind the singer. The focus is on the performance and the video adds a beautiful decoration. Same goes for AC1 at least. The story was heavily focused on the Assassins and their quests. However, I cannot say the same about being a Pirate for 95% of the game, doing missions to both factions without giving a single damn about which one of them is right or wrong.


ACR: This is probably the only one that's not truly "Main Stream" on a global scale anyway. In Turkey they would probably find this main stream considering Suleman(The Magnificent) is one of the major figures. You don't get called The Magnificent for being a schlub nobodies heard of. And Istanbul is kind of a big deal as far as sight seeing. Ask anyone who travels a lot they've probably been there(its a main stream destination). So this too isn't obscure by any means.

It’s not about presenting an era that is unknown to people, it’s about the story focusing more on the backdrop than the actual story of the Assassin. AC:R focused well on Ezio’s life and Altair. There was a large focus on that. However, with ACIII and ACIV, I felt like the story focused about everything but the Assassins. I know we got Haytham who is by far the best received Templar by the fans but I felt the idea of Connor wearing the hood didn’t really make him feel like an Assassin.


Just because you don't like an idea doesn't mean its "Main Stream" and just because you do doesn't mean its not. I mean pirates are a big deal for movies but honestly how many console games are set there? And of those how many were any good and people actually play? The American revolution was no more main stream than any of the other periods, and really its hardly ever touched by games at all. The only game I can think of that uses that setting is the campaign to Empire Total War(which is a PC strategy and the story campaign is optional to play).

Pirates aren’t bad, but they just aren’t Assassins. I loved Edward as a characters so much, almost as close to as much as I loved Ezio, who is my No.1 but the story didn’t feel like an Assassin’s Creed game. It’s that simple. Maybe if it was labeled anything other than Assassin’s Creed, I would’ve treated it differently. I loved the gameplay and how the story focused on him but by the time it ended, I just didn’t feel like I got something about the Creed from the story. It all felt so distant. like a spin-off.


I like the fact that AC takes POPULAR time periods, that aren't well covered in games and manages to make an enjoyable experience in each. But Settings that aren't "Main Stream" has never been a thing for AC I don't know why you think it should or that it ever was. After all you want people to BUY and PLAY the game you are going to set it in a time and place people know that will draw attention to it. I mean main stream times are awesome that's why they are main stream. Would you rather play a game set in The French Revolution?, or Toronto Canada 1990? The first is main stream, the latter is off the wall and risky, yet it doesn't sound interesting at all, so average joe isn't going to pick it up and become an AC fan, and long time fans would get bored, so all you are left with is a small group of hardcore fans to pander to, and it sells like 6 copies. That's how series die.

I don’t know about you guys, but I’ve always loved a game that looked and felt good regardless of whether the setting is famous or not. I mean the setting of Mass Effect is 95% fictional but it was a beautiful setting. It was neither popular or even known but the mixture of story, setting and characters made the trilogy very appealing. AC1 and AC2 might have had popular or mainstream settings but that wasn’t the only thing good about them.

I didn’t enjoy AC1 because it was in the time of the crusaders nor did I enjoy AC2 and ACB because it had the Borgia, and I didn’t like AC:R because it had Suleiman the great. But because the stories they had to offer, the setting, the characters and the ways they directed it made the whole combination look very good.

My point was that relying on a famous/popular/main stream setting and leaving the story a blank slate is a cheap attempt at getting people to be interested in the game in hopes of revisiting a place from the past that is popular. I’d welcome the French Revolution had the story, the assassin and the overall connection to the overarching mythology is beautifully done. But I won’t be happy if seeing Napoleon and a few well-known names in a Paris of 1780 is there is to the game.

As for having 2-3 year waits though. I agree with that. I feel they should take their time with the games and make them truly good and allow for people to be really impressed, and anticipate a new one. It would also allow for them to actually polish these things, some in particular have felt a bit rushed because well they are(AC3, ACR). Just take your time Ubi, and make these games the best they can be AC3 for example felt like it was too forced, things were missing, and opportunities were missed. A longer period between games can avoid this kind of thing, and provide better quality, and avoid series fatigue.[/QUOTE]

Yes, though I did enjoy AC:B and AC:R as well as AC2 more than any AC title and they were annual, I’d still want future games to take their time to polish the graphics for next-gen, to write a proper story, to direct the cutscenes well, to make characters interesting and relatable as well as a story that gives you a reason to wait for the next game or good enough to stand on it’s own.

Zafar1981
05-05-2014, 11:02 AM
Any game in Mesopotamia (Sumerian, Ashurian and Babylon) would definitely be the best game to play since AC 2. Full of historical events, characters, beautiful cities and lots of view points.

jayjay275
05-05-2014, 11:05 AM
Give us Japan first!

GunnerGalactico
05-05-2014, 02:07 PM
Give us Japan first!

I second that :p

Tunisia, Morocco and Malta would also be good settings.

RinoTheBouncer
05-05-2014, 02:13 PM
I second that :p

Tunisia, Morocco and Malta would also be good settings.

I’d be really happy to have a Japanese or Chinese settings but I think the Sumerian would be better because it’s never been done before in a game nor a movie and I’m sure there won’t be anything that rivals the depiction of the cities, the people, the myths and the whole experience as a whole.

GunnerGalactico
05-05-2014, 02:23 PM
I’d be really happy to have a Japanese or Chinese settings but I think the Sumerian would be better because it’s never been done before in a game nor a movie and I’m sure there won’t be anything that rivals the depiction of the cities, the people, the myths and the whole experience as a whole.

Sumeria sounds good too, the only gripe I have is that it looks too ancient and we've already seen middle eastern settings.

The reason why I suggested Tunisia, Morocco and Malta is because they have great history and it is different and not many people will suggest those countries.

dxsxhxcx
05-05-2014, 02:29 PM
if I'm not wrong before AC1 both Orders weren't know as Assassins or Templars, (presumably) the Assassins didn't follow any tenets and from what I can remember we don't have any information about the Orders' hierarchy before AC1, these are probably some reasons why we didn't have a game before AC1 yet, if they want to do something different from the Order model we know since AC1 a little more thought would need to be put in the story for this to happen and as we know time isn't exactly on their side..

RinoTheBouncer
05-05-2014, 02:33 PM
Sumeria sounds good too, the only gripe I have is that it looks too ancient and we've already seen middle eastern settings.

The reason why I suggested Tunisia, Morocco and Malta is because they have great history and it is different and not many people will suggest those countries.

Morocco would be cool due to the distinct architecture and culture. Malta as well, along with Tunisia.
I’m fond of Sumer because it is ancient which means no fancy weapons, different types of people, new type of rulers, laws and myths and of course being a subject to many Ancient Astronauts theorists (which inspired the First Civ. story) it would totally make sense. They even mentioned the Baghdad Battery in the ACIV modern day computer files.

This would be the first game that takes place in BC times which isn’t very commonly touched in any work of art which makes AC a pioneer and also in those times there was no Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism which means their laws, their cultures and their ideologies are different from ours. It’s also very different from AC1 because the city itself is vast, the rivers, the types of people and rulers are all gonna be new which will make it largely different from AC1. Another thing about being ancient is the lack of weapons which means we’ll rely more on skill and stealth than on how awesome the weapons we have are.

Of course, each one has their own taste and opinion and I respect yours, that’s for sure. But I’m just saying I’d love to experience something completely original and new as well as being completely untouched and vast not to mention being the real life First Civilization.


if I'm not wrong before AC1 both Orders weren't know as Assassins or Templars, (presumably) the Assassins didn't follow any tenets and from what I can remember we don't have any information about the Orders' hierarchy before AC1, these are probably some reasons why we didn't have a game before AC1 yet, if they want to do something different from the Order model we know since AC1 a little more thought would need to be put in the story for this to happen and as we know time isn't exactly on their side..

Yes, of course. They were known by different titles, as far as we know. But I’m sure just like how we referred to the First Civilization and as First Civ. or TWCB in AC1 to AC:R while in ACIII they are called “The Precursor Race”. So in Modern Day, we can refer to them as Assassins and Templars and in historical times, we can call them whatever they were called back then.

It could also help creating some sort of a twist or gray area as to keeping us from knowing which is which and by the end of the game, we might eventually know that our protagonist was a Templar or something similar to that.

Locopells
05-05-2014, 02:33 PM
I believe this is relevant.

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On the basis of that load, that a 'Yes'. Particularly like the gateway...

GunnerGalactico
05-05-2014, 02:48 PM
Morocco would be cool due to the distinct architecture and culture. Malta as well, along with Tunisia.
I’m fond of Sumer because it is ancient which means no fancy weapons, different types of people, new type of rulers, laws and myths and of course being a subject to many Ancient Astronauts theorists (which inspired the First Civ. story) it would totally make sense. They even mentioned the Baghdad Battery in the ACIV modern day computer files.

This would be the first game that takes place in BC times which isn’t very commonly touched in any work of art which makes AC a pioneer and also in those times there was no Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism which means their laws, their cultures and their ideologies are different from ours. It’s also very different from AC1 because the city itself is vast, the rivers, the types of people and rulers are all gonna be new which will make it largely different from AC1. Another thing about being ancient is the lack of weapons which means we’ll rely more on skill and stealth than on how awesome the weapons we have are.

Of course, each one has their own taste and opinion and I respect yours, that’s for sure. But I’m just saying I’d love to experience something completely original and new as well as being completely untouched and vast not to mention being the real life First Civilization.



Yes, of course. They were known by different titles, as far as we know. But I’m sure just like how we referred to the First Civilization and as First Civ. or TWCB in AC1 to AC:R while in ACIII they are called “The Precursor Race”. So in Modern Day, we can refer to them as Assassins and Templars and in historical times, we can call them whatever they were called back then.

It could also help creating some sort of a twist or gray area as to keeping us from knowing which is which and by the end of the game, we might eventually know that our protagonist was a Templar or something similar to that.

That make sense. I also respect your suggestions. You've highlighted a lot strong points.

ze_topazio
05-05-2014, 03:11 PM
Sumeria sounds good too, the only gripe I have is that it looks too ancient and we've already seen middle eastern settings.

The reason why I suggested Tunisia, Morocco and Malta is because they have great history and it is different and not many people will suggest those countries.

I have suggest those before. :cool:

Rugterwyper32
05-05-2014, 05:42 PM
I'd love it but at the same time I wouldn't, you know? I mean, one of the things I like is the feeling of mystery, and I feel some things should remain shrouded in that mystery as when you get to reveal it, a certain magic is lost. Going so far back and involving TWCB... one of the things that I disliked the most about AC2 was bringing them in as something more central that looked right out of Giorgio Tsoukalos mind. I'd have far preferred if the series had kept them as the mystery they were in AC1 and during most of AC2.

If anything, I'd prefer them going to the times of the Achaemenid Empire, but I wouldn't be opposed to this? I have my qualms with it here and there, namely if TWCB come into play. Currently they're still kinda mysterious, bringing them in and having more interaction with them would completely throw that out of the window. Plus, was it done during the Achaemenid Empire, you'd have more of the feeling of mystery of "what happened here long before my character walked this streets?" rather than seeing its beginnings, something I loved in the first four games. Even Rome, for all the complaints against it, had a certain feeling of wonder when you walked around the Roman ruins, which is the one reason I don't want a game in ancient Rome, and if there's a game of the ancient Roman empire I'd like to see one not touching Rome but rather Northern Africa and whatnot

RinoTheBouncer
05-05-2014, 08:38 PM
That make sense. I also respect your suggestions. You've highlighted a lot strong points.

Thank you :)


I'd love it but at the same time I wouldn't, you know? I mean, one of the things I like is the feeling of mystery, and I feel some things should remain shrouded in that mystery as when you get to reveal it, a certain magic is lost. Going so far back and involving TWCB... one of the things that I disliked the most about AC2 was bringing them in as something more central that looked right out of Giorgio Tsoukalos mind. I'd have far preferred if the series had kept them as the mystery they were in AC1 and during most of AC2.

If anything, I'd prefer them going to the times of the Achaemenid Empire, but I wouldn't be opposed to this? I have my qualms with it here and there, namely if TWCB come into play. Currently they're still kinda mysterious, bringing them in and having more interaction with them would completely throw that out of the window. Plus, was it done during the Achaemenid Empire, you'd have more of the feeling of mystery of "what happened here long before my character walked this streets?" rather than seeing its beginnings, something I loved in the first four games. Even Rome, for all the complaints against it, had a certain feeling of wonder when you walked around the Roman ruins, which is the one reason I don't want a game in ancient Rome, and if there's a game of the ancient Roman empire I'd like to see one not touching Rome but rather Northern Africa and whatnot

Well, I personally LOVED AC2’s approach to the First Civ. but this is not what I’m suggesting here. TWCB were not known to have existed in Sumer. The Sumerian Civilization existed between 4000-3000BC while the First Civ. perished by the year 75000BC, which is millennia before. Sumer is a First Civilization known in real life, not in AC games. The whole concept of a civilization that came before and had a hand in creating humans is taken from the brain of Giorgio Tsoukalos and the Ancient Astronauts theory, so it’s not exclusive to AC2, but I understand what you’re coming from.

I’d love to see a game set in the Achaemenid Empire. It would look pretty original and new, but I bet it’s gonna be highly comparable to Prince of Persia. I love The Sumerian Civilization because it has a lot of myths that refer to figures a lot similar to the First Civ., so that makes it suitable to the theme of AC yet it’s not directly linked to them, which preserves the style of AC games.

Sushiglutton
05-05-2014, 08:41 PM
There, I gave this thread five stars because that two bothered me too much lol. I think It's a great idea and I enjoy all the pics!

AdamPearce
05-05-2014, 11:44 PM
So basically you want epic scenes with Precursors & Eve and War and stuff like that. I get your point, but I think they are much other civilisations than would benefit your cause even more.

The Greek come to mind, since they had a much more developed sense of Democraty and Philosophy, something the Sumerian did not have (eye for an eye). Also, Sumerian cities weren't that big, and the architecture was pretty flat and mostly primitive (the doors on the roofs). Yes they were some nice places like the Gardens or the Pyramids but you can't really make a gameplay out of that. Also, I don't want to see Precursor hanging out with Sumerians to build up a tower, that would just be lame and just kill it.

Let's be honest, if Ubi proposed a time setting like 14 century Kenya but, would propose a whole sequence in which you control Eve in the overthrone the Precursor, you'd buy ?

DumbGamerTag94
05-05-2014, 11:59 PM
The Greek come to mind, since they had a much more developed sense of Democraty and Philosophy, something the Sumerian did not have (eye for an eye). Also, Sumerian cities weren't that big, and the architecture was pretty flat and mostly primitive (the doors on the roofs). Yes they were some nice places like the Gardens or the Pyramids but you can't really make a gameplay out of that.

Well the Sumerians were long before the Greeks even. They are the first recorded human civilization. And there's no worries about precursors being there because they were destroyed thousands of years before that.

First Civ falls-then period of nothingness, Cavemen, Mammoths, saber tooth tigers etc but only small tribal groups-then comes the Sumerian Civilization rebirth of civilization means the formation of Assassins and Templars being that the means of controlling Civilizations is the very thing that they exist to fight over they cant exist unless there is a Civilization so naturally that leaves Sumeria as the place where they would have been founded.

AdamPearce
05-06-2014, 12:04 AM
Well the Sumerians were long before the Greeks even. They are the first recorded human civilization. And there's no worries about precursors being there because they were destroyed thousands of years before that.

Okay...but that's not my point. I was just saying that the Greek were much more open-minded and critic in regard of life and the way we live as a society. Hell, we still study texts dating from that age ! They would much more fit in the ideological conflict that opposes the Assassins and the Templars and would had to the debate.


First Civ falls-then period of nothingness, Cavemen, Mammoths, saber tooth tigers etc but only small tribal groups-then comes the Sumerian Civilization rebirth of civilization means the formation of Assassins and Templars being that the means of controlling Civilizations is the very thing that they exist to fight over they cant exist unless there is a Civilization so naturally that leaves Sumeria as the place where they would have been founded.

If the theory of the Astronauts is respected in the AC Universe, then the Precursors helped the Sumerian to build the pyramids and read stars and stuff like that. So yeah, they would be very present. And no, the first Assassins were Adam & Eve, and the first Templar was Cain, their son. Check your notes mate.

AherasSTRG
05-06-2014, 12:09 AM
I guess, if they pulled it right, they just might make me like it... Voted for no, though, since I find there are literally dozens of more interesting civilisations they could explore.

DumbGamerTag94
05-06-2014, 04:05 AM
If the theory of the Astronauts is respected in the AC Universe, then the Precursors helped the Sumerian to build the pyramids and read stars and stuff like that. So yeah, they would be very present. And no, the first Assassins were Adam & Eve, and the first Templar was Cain, their son. Check your notes mate.

I don't know that astronaut theory is accepted by the AC Universe, and I doubt it would be since the precursors haven't been active on earth since the solar flare that destroyed their civilization(Thousands of years before the Sumerians)

And I know the First Assassins were Adam and Eve and Cain the first Templar, but after them and when they are cast out of Eden(solar flare destroys First Civ). Civilization became non existant what few people there were(because in the AC Universe Adam Eve and Cain and Abel were not the first, or the only humans). that period was tribes of random people, and an anything goes caveman style world, until the concepts of Civilization were finally rediscovered by humans in SUMERIA, thus making this the place where the Assassins and Templars(while not technically starting), were reborn, The very same thread of assassins and Templars that we see in the Current AC games. The only difference being the conversion to official public orders in the Medieval times(from which they take their permanent names after the "dissolution" of these orders). That's what I meant by that being a origins story, its for the rediscovery of civilization, and the rebirth of Assassins and Templars(before they were even known as such)

RinoTheBouncer
05-06-2014, 09:17 AM
There, I gave this thread five stars because that two bothered me too much lol. I think It's a great idea and I enjoy all the pics!

Much appreciated, my friend :D


So basically you want epic scenes with Precursors & Eve and War and stuff like that. I get your point, but I think they are much other civilisations than would benefit your cause even more.

The Greek come to mind, since they had a much more developed sense of Democraty and Philosophy, something the Sumerian did not have (eye for an eye). Also, Sumerian cities weren't that big, and the architecture was pretty flat and mostly primitive (the doors on the roofs). Yes they were some nice places like the Gardens or the Pyramids but you can't really make a gameplay out of that. Also, I don't want to see Precursor hanging out with Sumerians to build up a tower, that would just be lame and just kill it.

Let's be honest, if Ubi proposed a time setting like 14 century Kenya but, would propose a whole sequence in which you control Eve in the overthrone the Precursor, you'd buy ?

I don’t wanna see Sumerians hanging out with First Civ. race, in fact, Sumer existed between 3000 and 4000BC, so that’s still way after the First Civ. perished. However, I do believe that since a lot of their kings were documented to have lived for 43000 years or something like that in their myths and cuneiforms, which makes me remember “For centuries, Tinea and I walked the Earth, hoping to rekindle the spark of civilization.”. So perhaps we get an entirely historical setting in the city of Sumer and those kings and rulers might just be holograms guiding humanity or something like that. Maybe we get to meet them once near the end of the game, as a hologram, like Minerva in AC2.

I agree about Greek and Roman mythology, however, I suggest Sumer cause it’s our real life First Civilization and also, it’s never really done before in any work of art, and from the looks of the pictures, despite the flat-ness of the roofs, it can be a beautiful city. I mean AC1 cities weren’t that vast yet it was one of the most well-received games, with the exception of repetitive gameplay. There are the Zigguarts, the Hanging Gardens and other era-defining structures that may not be too orthodox compared to the style of AC, but it could indeed make a beautiful new approach. I mean in ACIV, we’ve spent most of the time in ships, which was never done before and it wasn’t bad after all, same goes for ACIII where most of the time was spent moving through trees, snow, mountains and forests.

RinoTheBouncer
12-16-2014, 08:51 PM
I believe this is relevant.

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This is one epic setting that I’ve always craved for. I wonder what Ubisoft are waiting for. I mean this is raw material waiting to utilized. The fact that not too much is recorded about that period makes it even better, because they can innovate and there are ZERO movies and games about Sumerians, Babylonians, Akkadians and Assyrians. So why can’t AC be the first? it will be so original and so interesting.

Please Ubisoft... PLEASE!

To MODS: I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to bump. I somehow got into this thread, I swear I don’t know how and I didn’t even know it’s mine nor that I was the last one posting in it. So, I apologize.

Megas_Doux
12-16-2014, 09:07 PM
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SlyTrooper
12-16-2014, 09:17 PM
I honestly couldn't care less where they go at this point, just so long as it's before the 18th century.

Pr0metheus 1962
12-16-2014, 09:22 PM
Who are going to be the famous historical people we'll be meeting in a game about ancient Babylon or Sumer? Oh that's right, we don't know anyone except some of the kings and a few of their wives. How will that work in an AC game? AC is about historical people. They're not going to create a whole fictional group of characters, a whole fictional fashion system, a whole fictional political system, a whole plot based on no evidence whatsoever. I mean, they have a few mounds in the desert and Hammurabi's code. That's it, and it's not enough.

Honestly guys, AC is a lot more than pretty cities. Unity should have taught us that.

Time to stop dreaming. It's never going to happen, because AC is about history, not fantasy.

Megas_Doux
12-16-2014, 09:27 PM
It wont be that different from AC I, in which aside from King Richard, like 90% of the cast was either HEAVILY fictionalized or just entirely made up......

Namikaze_17
12-16-2014, 09:43 PM
I honestly couldn't care less where they go at this point, just so long as it's before the 18th century.

17th Century? :rolleyes:

SlyTrooper
12-16-2014, 10:35 PM
17th Century? :rolleyes:

That wouldn't be too bad. It's a century we haven't seen much yet.

Namikaze_17
12-16-2014, 10:39 PM
That wouldn't be too bad. It's a century we haven't seen much yet.

I meant that as a joke, but alright.

I could dig it. :cool:

SlyTrooper
12-16-2014, 11:28 PM
I meant that as a joke, but alright.

I could dig it. :cool:

I understood that it was a joke :rolleyes:. I just was trying to justify what I said.

Riku_Kurosaki15
12-16-2014, 11:35 PM
Only if we get to battle a Sumerian god named Gozer.

Shahkulu101
12-16-2014, 11:47 PM
Who are going to be the famous historical people we'll be meeting in a game about ancient Babylon or Sumer? Oh that's right, we don't know anyone except some of the kings and a few of their wives. How will that work in an AC game? AC is about historical people. They're not going to create a whole fictional group of characters, a whole fictional fashion system, a whole fictional political system, a whole plot based on no evidence whatsoever. I mean, they have a few mounds in the desert and Hammurabi's code. That's it, and it's not enough.

Honestly guys, AC is a lot more than pretty cities. Unity should have taught us that.

Time to stop dreaming. It's never going to happen, because AC is about history, not fantasy.

The problem with Unity is that it ignored history, Arno's story was disconnected from the French Revolution and it felt strange that it wasn't a focal point given how important the time period was. If an obscure historical period is used they have the liberty to create a personal story about the Assassin's and Templars and avoid criticisms that they are underutilising the time period, as not much went on anyway. So a lesser ancient era allows them to avoid scrutiny surrounding their use of the time period, and removes the Gump factor entirely. Two birds, one stone.

An ancient setting is ideal in my opinion.

MageAquarius20
05-15-2018, 11:12 PM
Sumer would be one of the best, if not the best setting for various reasosn:

1. The Plot: The Sumerians knew all about the Isu, since according to thier own Cosmology, they believe that Humanity was created to serve the Gods and do the work the gods no longer wanted to do, sounds familiar? A game in Sumer could exploit the Notion that Humanity might be meaningless compared to the world or if Humanity should submit ot a higher power and the worth of Human existence. It would be about the Templars. believing that Chaos is bad and that the Gods want them to submit everything to them and create a world, where Nature can no longer equal men, whereas the Assassins believe that Humanity is a part of Nature and very much a servant to it. They Believe unlike Altair, that men should live in this world as a co-worker of Nature and uphold the balance of the World, not trying to be above it. To se that nothing is true is to see that our live are one day meant to perish and all the possessions and power we hold will die with our live. Only your Memories will survive, so use your life to do Good to the others and built a memory that will bring Good. To do that, everything has to be permitted, or else, it would be futile to live, for how can we be remembered as good, if the laws of our own limitations hold us back. It could be a very interesting prelude that leaves us with the Question open: Are our lives important?. Interresting, isn´t it

2. Chracters: We could be anything, a temple harlot, which would reintruduce us to the Persona mechanics and allows us as female to seduce our targets to either kill them or manipulating them to do our work or a Male priest, who divines the will of the Gods and uses this to defeat the templars. Personality could be tied to reason 1.

3. Historical setting: there are a lot of which to choose, i would either go with Sargon´s invasion to mark the end of Sumer as well as the oppresion from outside or the Sumerian Rennesaince under Ur-Nammu, who creates awful laws to keep us in check and has to be stopped.

4.It´s fresh and older: The Sumerians are the oldest Civilization known to us and need some love, since they were the inventors of many basic things, such as the Wheel, Mathmathics, Writing, banking, track record, the 60 secound and minutes system as well as the earliest attested Theocracy and inventors of an earlier and more honest form of Democracy than Greece, since there were a council of elders that told the Kings of the will of the People. As the true first civ, they deserve more respect and love than we give them credit for, even more than today Greece and Rome get, for they are a product of those that came before and are even less interesting as an setting, since they are filled with Clichees.

5 and finally. Greece is overrated and Sumer is IMO more interesting than itbecause: They were far older and more obscure than them and a a great meeting point with Pre-History and anquitity and reflect the more Natural and Psychological part of our History(like thier Literature like the Epic of Gilgamesh for instance) better than Greece, which divorced itself from such things. Also to dispell some Confusion to Greece: It´s not the founder of western Civilization, due to there being far older Civilizations than them, who impacted European culture even to this day like India. Western Civilization technically started with Myceneans and the Pheonicians, who aren´t even western by our standards. Also the praised Democracy of Greece was only exclusive to Athens, which died far earlier than the Germanic Thing( an earlier form of Democracy as well) and the from the river civs i already mentioned. The remaining ones had kings and rulers as well and technically they didn´t invented Democracy, it was the Pheonicians that did that, when they gave the Greeks thier Alphabet. Finally, it was no true democracy, it was an Oligarchy, only rich nobles could vote and had all to be male, so no real democracy. The meme that it´s the motherland of Civilization has to die and that´s why i am here addressing the issue, next people are telling me that thier goals were meant to be seen asa faillable, because they didn´t intended to do that,.

Also i wouldn´t call it lesser, since it´s a important Era in History as well, its the Greatest story nevr told.

donnydarkoM80
09-23-2018, 04:09 PM
Assassins creed as we all know bases its eras on facts, and to remain true to the series its only right they have some form of order against order. Faction against faction as we do even in modern societies today. Greece will be an excellent lavish land to explore for AC fans everywhere and has enough sightseeing and mythological integrations to keep players playing. Mesopotamia and even Mesoamerica are large portions of this worlds beginnings with many temples to entice the settings on either factions behalf. From Aztecs and mayans to olmecs and incas mesoamerica could have many factions to choose from as an "assassin". Only we wouldnt be assassins anymore, just native mercenaries that pick and choose whom we work with/ or for and thus even mesopotamia would be a great era to explore too. The new AC greece is bound to show how a city or town can be on the map one portion of the game, then be demolished or dynamically different for the other portions. We see the dlc is to include atlantis and if anyone keeps up with greek mythology such as homers iliad, Argos is to be doomed by the kraken or sparta itself torn apart by the factions. Mesopotamia would/ could offer multiple, even alternative outcomes for cities and regions that history never truelly touched on. Ive read a many of these threads and they all have very good details about the settings and potential plots of a mesopotamia AC. Not to relate other games into the series but if anyone has played red dead redemption, we as characters switch from father to son and AC could use a similar style to keep players and their regions on the same dynamic change we still have today generation to generation. In AC origins bayek finds the sword of his father which supposedly saved a carravan in the desert. We as players can develop these memories and tasks and pass them down through heritage would would drive for a stronger, more self driven narritive within the players and even add digital sedimental values to certain weapons and places. I would love to see a Mesopotamia or Mesoamerica game. AC is one of the top dogs in gaming franchises, and can continue to be without the guns and technological advancements weve achieved today. The ancients had vimanas, we have planes, stick to the past! Its where human glory resided.

ermacos
09-23-2018, 04:15 PM
I voted NO because many or most of you dont know that Sumerians was nothing more than Cretans (Minoans / Messinians) who colonized that area and they are known today Sumerians.

This is something an ancient philosopher who under a command of a King went there and lived with Sumerians and he wrote books, books that western civilizations didnt liked much and he is unknown to english literature.

Evimerous the Messinian was the philosopher who actually travel and lived with them. I provide the Hellenic wiki, because english does not like this philosopher, no data.. You only know Sumerians as a secret advanced super wow civilization that is nothing more than a colony of Minoans/Messenians.

And his books are from the 4th centiry BC (drop the Hellenic wiki into google translate) https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%95%CF%85%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82_% CE%BF_%CE%9C%CE%B5%CF%83%CF%83%CE%AE%CE%BD%CE%B9%C E%BF%CF%82

I would love something more original than Sumerians.. If you think about it, this philosopher is a HUGE obstacle to the new age propagandas all over youtube about aliens and the sumerians and blablabla and all those craps they feed you.

Trust me and this is a real fact if you believe in Sumerians. If Sumerians had a spaceship, we own the entire universe and we allowed them to have a tiny spaceship.

Its laughable some people desperately wish something superior than Hellenics an overall misery about Hellenics, so I am having a great time reading... An example comment 94 paragraph 5. At least I provide you with ancient references about anything you wish.

You should think first why I say the above and also take the history of Atlantis versus the Hellenics, it was not Sumerians, it was Hellenics the ones who went to war with Atlantis and Hellenics won. Atlantis and Hellenics is the beginning of the entire history. Of the known history/Mythos. Sumerians according to philosophers was only a Cretan colony. Egyptians did exist back then, because we have references from Plato and Solonas. Ethyopeans too.