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Da11en47
06-13-2004, 08:44 PM
I would like to see some sort of a button allowing you to skip to the action. For Example, In combat flight simulator 2 you could press a button and you would jump to a few minutes before the fight, still giving you some time to prepare. IL2 is very annyoing when it comes to this, theres nothing more frustrating than listening to russians and germans yapping, all while doing circles around some bombers your escorting...

Da11en47
06-13-2004, 08:44 PM
I would like to see some sort of a button allowing you to skip to the action. For Example, In combat flight simulator 2 you could press a button and you would jump to a few minutes before the fight, still giving you some time to prepare. IL2 is very annyoing when it comes to this, theres nothing more frustrating than listening to russians and germans yapping, all while doing circles around some bombers your escorting...

IV_JG51_Razor
06-13-2004, 08:54 PM
I think you might be wrong about this Da11en47. I would think that the majority of the people who are drawn to this sim, are those who enjoy all the immersion it has to offer. There is a way for you to get rid of the chatter if that is what bothers you. If it's the long flight, well then there's the QMB. If that doesn't do it for you, maybe you should check out Target:Rabaul. I understand that, since it's maps are 1:1 scale, your mission starts just outside the point of contact with the enemy. It's solely an online sim though.

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Da11en47
06-13-2004, 09:09 PM
QMB?

ImpStarDuece
06-13-2004, 09:10 PM
Da11en47, welcome to the forums! Hope you stick around.

I can see your attraction to the 'warp' to instant action aspect of the game. As a former CFS2 player i found it a bit missing when i made the transition. However, isn't that what QMB and UQMG (the Uber Quick MIssion Generator- a TRULY excellent little non official 3rd party addon for the game)are there for? IF you really want to just blast away at something without the flying time involved before it really detracts from the sim. I dont play online, but i use the maps to make my own missions with UQMG. Isn't online play more of the "instant action" sort? Try HyperLobby, you'll find a heap of DF psycho's out there.

Personally i usually speed up my transit flight at x4 or 8 but will often deviate from the scheduled flight path to check out what else is around. Occasionally i will intercept random flights of transports or recon aircraft, while leaving the rest of my flight on station or on a CAP. True, i'm a bit of a nut, i try and fly full real and navigate without any of the aids and enjoy missions that last well over 2 hours, but i think a lot of the community are a bit more obsessive than i am.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

BTW its probably NOT the best way to start a thread by assuming that the majority of the community agrees with you on ANY partiucular point. This is the most fractured community i have ever come across, its the reason i keep coming back! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

EDIT: QMB is Quick Mission Builder. Designed to give you a hop in and blast around in all the flyable aircraft.
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heywooood
06-13-2004, 09:12 PM
QMB is mainly for testing new skins..checking new flyables.. becoming aquainted with a specific plane type and its ordinance before going online or into a new campaign.

At least -thats what I use it for.

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Da11en47
06-13-2004, 09:18 PM
I would just like to see the "warp" option added. For lazy people like myself.

heywooood
06-13-2004, 09:26 PM
cool - you are not the only one who has said so.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I think one of the reasons the maps are the size they are is to make overly long missions less likely. So that using the 8x acceleration you get there quickly enough and you have personal control over where you revert to normal time... not like cfs2 where the 'unwarp' occurred at a preset waypoint.

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VW-IceFire
06-15-2004, 05:45 PM
There's even talk of a 16X time compression to get you across those wide expanses quicker. Sometimes even 8X will be too slow.

I agree with the original poster...I don't really want to wait 2 hours while my plane flies to the target. On the other hand, I would like to stop and experience along the way if I want.

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Latico
06-15-2004, 05:54 PM
Never assume that just because you think you have a great idea that the "Magority" will agree with you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

xTHRUDx
06-15-2004, 06:24 PM
16x or 8x or 32x compression would be enough for me. i fly 95% online so i'd never use the feature anyway but for that 5% it'd be ok.

Cragger
06-15-2004, 06:56 PM
Agree with Thrud, although EAW's skip to action or interrupt was nice it really felt weird and it took away the ability to position ones self to an advantage over the enemy because it always kicked off at the same distance of really close.

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LEXX_Luthor
06-15-2004, 07:55 PM
QMB gives you Instant Action. For realistic missions the sim must calculate all the things that happen to all units--besides the Player plane. Warp is the most Fake stupid idea you can have for flight sim. Leave it for Microsoft. They can Warp over the AA that the Ace dogfighter players Hate.

If we want short distance to combat zone, we can ask Luthier to make Eastern Front sim.

heywooood
06-15-2004, 07:59 PM
Yep - wheres yer friggin' avatar?...

I agree wit Lexx - personally - the warp thinger suxhard.

I will fly myownself thank-you very much.
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Huxley_S
06-15-2004, 08:02 PM
I like to fly to the target. If you're playing full switch and you are leading the flight then it's up to you to navigate your way there. This is a challenge in itself. All part of the fun.

I very rarely use autopilot and time compression now if at all. When I was a newbie (not very long ago) I used them all the time. But that was then.

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MK2aw
06-15-2004, 08:21 PM
I agree, X8 is fine but there should be an option (I will not use CFS2 as an example but an even older classic) Aces of the pacific! Just hit a button and appear over the combat area a few minutes before the action.

I agree but I will take anything they end up making :-)

fordfan25
06-15-2004, 08:55 PM
i hope thay add it. if you dont like it dont use it. q.b is fine for a quick fix but some pepole like for the game to keep track of there kills as well as there wingmen ect ect.and why should the guys who come home from work or school have to wait 15 min just to see some action just becouse someone doesnt want to use the warp botton. it would be very selfish. thats like saying you dont like to drink milk so thay shouldnt have it in the store. im not tring to step on toes just tring to point out that it would be a very usefull thing to have. we could still have the time comprasion like in F.B and also have the warp feature. this is pacific fighters guys we can have our cake and eat it to. agine im not tring to make any one mad at me or think im tring to tell them something or any thing like that.

heywooood
06-15-2004, 09:11 PM
well said forddude... sorta.

I dont personally use it but it should be 'available' to people that do I 'spose.

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Ruy Horta
06-16-2004, 12:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xTHRUDx:
16x or 8x or 32x compression would be enough for me. i fly 95% online so i'd never use the feature anyway but for that 5% it'd be ok.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed, no warp...but this type of time speed up works for me.

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LEXX_Luthor
06-16-2004, 05:21 AM
Don't fall for the classic "no time" deception, they can watch a 2 hour movie but they "don't have time" to fly.

Actually, the time speed up should NOT work in the core missions. If time speedup works that means the mission file is not as battlefield intensive as it could be.

LEXX_Luthor
06-16-2004, 05:43 AM
mmm on the other hand...

I have been thinking in terms of frontline continous battlefield, where combat happens continously all day long with different units taking turns rearming and refueling (like Eastern Front). Now for big Pacific, I can see how real life USA or Jap make not all day continous fighting, but cos the long distance they send out one big mission for the whole day. Now this could be worthy of a "warp" Feature provided there is no possibility of warping over any combat.

Another example is 8th AF B~17 missions. An 8 hour mission would be even longer than watching Lawrence Of Arabia--a six hour movie--and for the USA side a "warp" could be useful but not for German short range intercept missions. mmm when we talk mission building then the warp can make sense.

gombal40
06-16-2004, 12:15 PM
Isnt a chunck of the fun when you dont know when the hun comes out of the sun??

Ig eaw had this function. when u could not warp-----&gt; action. Spoils it a bit for me.
But isnt is the same kind of discussion as with wonderview. If you dont want it dont use it.
But it will take a very gifted speaker or a real mean s.o.b. to change Olegs mind. So take youre best shot in getting warp and good luckhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Baco-ECV56
06-16-2004, 12:50 PM
Well I agrree that extra features dont hurt, if you don´t like them like me, don´t use them.
But with FB´s engine I doubt it can be done.

Besides you have tools to not need a Warp feture. use Quick mission Buider. Make your own short´n fast mission on the Full Mission Builder.

Join scripted Doggys...

There are lots of optios for those who don´t enjoy long rides on the Russian contryside http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, or pacific gorgeous islands http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Allthow On line, where you have a hole map to roam arround it is just not posible http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Since boths sides would not agrre on when to warp http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Me I use x8 when testing my missions, to see if every object behaves as it is suposed to http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

fordfan25
06-16-2004, 08:11 PM
yea but not every one wants a simple qmb all the time nore would i personaly want to devot alote of time makeing each mission i flew all im saying is if its not real hard to do why not throw it in.if it is to hard to put in the game in the time till release just up the time compresion.one of the main resone i got f.b was becouse of the ever changeing "sorta" campaigns made it feel like i was actually there and the game was keeping track.i mean how quick would it take to get bord watching a race on tv if after every lap thay started over.
thanks haywoood i know i dont put things down on paper errr screen as well as i should but considering im from madison florida and used to conveying my thoughts with a series of grunts and acts of random violence i think im doing ok. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Droopsnoot
06-16-2004, 09:55 PM
What's the point of a flight sim if you don't want to fly? I like to take off , climb , fly formation, fight, bomb etc. then use my skills to limp back home with the sick bird before landing with whatever systems and engines I've got left.

That's what a combat sim is all about... the full flavor and all the problems in Real life.

And dead is dead... If I don't make it I have to invent a new persona with no record.

That motivates me to maintain my proficiency.

Which was why flight simulations were invented. It isn't "only a game" to me.

It's the next best thing to actually flying for me, for you see I am not able to actually fly any more.... and I miss it.

But because I can't fly any more, I've got time to do it in a sim.

So though it would rule out a lot of pleasure for me, it gives most people a chance to just hit the high spots with the limited time they have available,

So some means of shortcutting the time should be an OPTION in every flight sim.

[This message was edited by Droopsnoot on Wed June 16 2004 at 09:06 PM.]

fordfan25
06-17-2004, 12:00 AM
see there you go you may not use but it would be there for those that do. ya know some pepole dont have the extra time to spend just flying 30.min to the target. theres the house to clean,kidds to take care of,truck to wash, chevys to throw eggs at, doors to knock on then run away from,fire crackers to light in mail boxes and farcry to play befor bed. its a busy world we live in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. buy the way what did you fly?

Droopsnoot
06-17-2004, 03:54 AM
Cub-J3,T-6, B-25, C-=47, C-45, B17, B-29, T-33, & B-47.

ploughman
06-17-2004, 07:14 AM
Wow. Which one did you like best?

Latico
06-17-2004, 10:46 AM
Hey Fordfan,

We damn near neightbors, bro. I live about 2 miles west of Echnetucknee Springs State Park in southern Suwanee County.

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Droopsnoot
06-17-2004, 11:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
Wow. Which one did you like best?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 40 H.P, floatplane Cub. It was the closest thing to flying like a bird or like the early pioneer "birdmen" in their spruce, canvas and wire "Orange crates" did.

I judged my speed on final by listening to the wind whistling past the struts.

fordfan25
06-17-2004, 12:30 PM
Latico thats cool i dont see many pepole from around my parts on here. i never been to suwanee. thats prety close to the gulf right? bout 2 hours from here.

Latico
06-17-2004, 04:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
Latico thats cool i dont see many pepole from around my parts on here. i never been to suwanee. thats prety close to the gulf right? bout 2 hours from here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, i'm more in the mid part of the state, near I-75. About 20 miles or so SSW of Lake City.

heywooood
06-17-2004, 05:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
thanks haywoood i know i dont put things down on paper errr screen as well as i should but considering im from madison florida and used to conveying my thoughts with a series of grunts and acts of random violence i think im doing ok. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Fordfan - stop it - yer killin'me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Dude - Its what you say - not how you say it.
I dont give a rats *** 'bout spellin' and whatnot... you made a point and I agreed with it. I am definitly laughing with you and not at you, bro. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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fordfan25
06-17-2004, 10:51 PM
latico: o ok now i got cha heck iv been to lake city many times not a bad little townmy dad had a hip replacement at the shanes there by the lake.

haywoood i know. lol i was just jokeing around i do need to learn how to spell a little better though. its strang iv always been able to read very well but iv never been able to spell worth a ****......but i be known how to be talkn right though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif. lol

zoomar2
06-18-2004, 11:56 AM
As a confirmed offliner, I'd sure like the option to "skip to next contact/action" for long missions in campaigns. It would much improve the "game" aspect of PF but as an option it doesn't hurt the "sim" aspect for those who really want to pretend to fly an 8 hour mission.

rpkiller
06-19-2004, 04:42 AM
Hmmm... I wonder if with regards to the warp function; the game could run in AI at a very high speed till you are within a set distance of any enemy - say 5km or so, then automatically flip back to normal speed and controls. If this could be enabled with a single key press (say 'x' for argument sake) it could be a usefull feature. Even better, the game could pause when coming out of AI mode so one is not taken unawares - or so you can go make a cup of tea whilst flying to the target and not miss the action (I've done that sooo many times in campaigns http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif)

regards

rp