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xCHEMISTx
11-27-2013, 03:42 PM
I haven't played the next gen consoles yet but I am hearing that the graphics are poor for ACBF on the X-Box One. Anyone else who has played on next gen agree with this?

ProletariatPleb
11-27-2013, 03:44 PM
..........................what

xCHEMISTx
11-27-2013, 04:29 PM
..........................what

Apparently Microsoft Studios set a high standard of graphics with Ryse: Son of Rome and players are saying that AC4 graphics on the X-Box One are bad in comparison.

ProletariatPleb
11-27-2013, 04:35 PM
Apparently Microsoft Studios set a high standard of graphics with Ryse: Son of Rome and players are saying that AC4 graphics on the X-Box One are bad in comparison.
Well that's quite possible, Saving Private Romulus is made by Crytek, graphics are the only thing they're good at.

When has AC ever had that level of graphics?

xCHEMISTx
11-27-2013, 04:47 PM
Well that's quite possible, Saving Private Romulus is made by Crytek, graphics are the only thing they're good at.

I see. I should of said Crytek instead of Microsoft Studios. Makes sense now. Ryse has got bad reviews for gameplay though so looks like they need to strike a balance.

ProletariatPleb
11-27-2013, 04:51 PM
I see. I should of said Crytek instead of Microsoft Studios. Makes sense now. Ryse has got bad reviews for gameplay though so looks like they need to strike a balance.
Typical of Crytek. They did Crysis 1 right(mostly) then it all went downhill.

ACIV on PC and next-gen look almost the same and well I'd say it's pretty good looking atleast here. But then there's also resolution stuff on consoles...

http://i.minus.com/is5gzT3fwKbto.jpg

Shahkulu101
11-27-2013, 04:52 PM
Well that's quite possible, Saving Private Romulus is made by Crytek, graphics are the only thing they're good at.

When has AC ever had that level of graphics?

What about Crysis 1's supposedly magnificent A.I?

Mr_Shade
11-27-2013, 05:19 PM
Lets not start console wars please..

Both new Consoles - are great in everyday use - for different reasons..

Xbox One is great if you want great games and media [such as TV when it's launched in the EU etc]

PS4 - Is a great games console - if you want the best performance and graphics - and 1080p native gaming for more 3rd party titles.



PC - will always win in terms of graphics - due to the potential of always upgrading the hardware - however we have a dedicated forum for PC - so if you want to ask technical questions or want screenshots to compare - best have a nose there.



I'm sure the Xbox One will catch up on the resolution side of things, which seems to be a issue for many, given time, and can only imagine what PS4 will produce in the same time - so all in all - great time to be a gamer - no matter the platform.

ProletariatPleb
11-27-2013, 05:23 PM
Lets not start console wars please..
Nobody did...

He objectively asked what people thought of next-gen and I objectively said PC and next-gen look the same so judge for yourself with provided sample.

Shahkulu101
11-27-2013, 05:27 PM
The road looks better on the ps3 than ac4 on any machine

A.I

pacmanate
11-27-2013, 05:30 PM
Well the X1 is 900p and is less powerful than the PS4, hence the AA issues it still has whilst rendering at lower resolutions.

Megas_Doux
11-27-2013, 05:31 PM
What about Crysis 1's supposedly magnificent A.I?

Crysis I , uber mooded graphics aside is a pretty good game and I almost do not like shooters. Not fan of the latest two though.

xCHEMISTx
11-27-2013, 05:35 PM
Not looking to start any console wars or anything just wanted to know what you guys thought because some guys were talking about this on the X-Box forums.

pacmanate
11-27-2013, 05:36 PM
Not looking to start any console wars or anything just wanted to know what you guys thought because some guys were talking about this on the X-Box forums.

My answer is the correct one, just stating facts. It is less powerful, it WILL have issues.

Mr_Shade
11-27-2013, 05:43 PM
Not looking to start any console wars or anything just wanted to know what you guys thought because some guys were talking about this on the X-Box forums.
My warning was to everyone reading.. since it does happen.

If you have a 720p TV -The Xbox One does look great - if you have a 1080p TV, it can either look slightly blurry - or - over sharp, since the onboard scaler takes the game and upscales it to 1080p - so some blur is an unavoidable side effect. Some games have added sharpness, according to several internet forums, which can also affect the image - this can make aliasing look even worse.

If you have a 1080P TV which handles scaling well - you can try it letting the TV do the upscaling - it can stop the consoles scaler from blurring and artificial sharpness being added - by setting the console to 720p

Both consoles are a leap forward from the previous generation - however some may not consider the leap that major, if they do not tend to notice texture detail, tessellation, particle effects etc.. Also worth remembering - that AC4 is open world, so has to do more than other titles, which can add in more effects etc - due to being linear maps etc.

I wouldn't say any version was 'poor' though - Next Gen adds in new effects, smoother frame rates and clear graphics.



If you want pin sharp 1080p - you need support for native 1080p - like on the PS4 with AC4 - or - Forza 5 on Xbox One.

Native 1080p AC4 on PS4 - looks pretty awesome in my opinion:

http://i6.minus.com/ibhNuyXEpDzm3J.jpg

Link to digital foundry full size image. (http://i6.minus.com/ibhNuyXEpDzm3J.jpg)

Not the best shot - but only one I could find that was 1080p verified - until I get my PS4:)

xCHEMISTx
11-27-2013, 05:51 PM
Native 1080p AC4 on PS4 - looks pretty awesome in my opinion:

http://i6.minus.com/ibhNuyXEpDzm3J.jpg

Absolutely. Nothing wrong with that image. Thanks for the info.

pacmanate
11-27-2013, 05:53 PM
Shade, don't suppose you have a pre patch photo to compare?

Mr_Shade
11-27-2013, 05:54 PM
Shade, don't suppose you have a pre patch photo to compare?
Not of that shot - however I can find one - however it's not to be used for any reason OTHER - than seeing the 900p to 1080P differences - no 'my console is better than yours' - ok?


Pre-update - 1080p upscaled [PS4]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/10948429066_6a2f989899_o.jpg
Link to full size image (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/10948429066_6a2f989899_o.jpg)

After update - 1080p native [PS4]
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/10948526284_c046857640_o.jpg

Link to full size image (http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/10948526284_c046857640_o.jpg)


Best to compare the Full size - 1080p Native - is sharper, however remember this is the PS4 version, I can't comment on the Xbox One version, since I have not seen direct capture images, due to the lack of screen shot capability.

ProletariatPleb
11-27-2013, 05:55 PM
Shade, don't suppose you have a pre patch photo to compare?
I gave one to Shade :|

EDIT: Neogaf is finally useful to show the difference if not a whole screenshot
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90569273&postcount=1502

pacmanate
11-27-2013, 05:59 PM
Thanks Sid.

Okay so the blurry stuff, thats the Xbox One running at 900p effectively.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90569273&postcount=1502

Shahkulu101
11-27-2013, 06:04 PM
Thanks Sid.

Okay so the blurry stuff, thats the Xbox One running at 900p effectively.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90569273&postcount=1502

I approve. But, why on earth choose Edwards butt for it - silver would approve.

Mr_Shade
11-27-2013, 06:07 PM
Texture detail is a lot better at 1080p Native, however it also depends what the OP is complaining about - if it's the general look of the game engine, then it is 'basically' the same across all next gen and PC [with PC having slightly more bells and whistles]

But like I said, best to compare like for like games, since that's the only way to have a fair comparison - and compared to the PC version - the Xbox One is pretty close [apart from resolution and the extra PC only features.]

IMPORTANT to remember - only the PS4 version is 1080p Native at this point in time.


Guess best to wait for him to say :)



I approve. But, why on earth choose Edwards butt for it - silver would approve.
Shows the texture detail of the linen :)

Shahkulu101
11-27-2013, 06:10 PM
Texture detail is a lot better at 1080p Native, however it also depends what the OP is complaining about - if it's the general look of the game engine, then it is 'basically' the same across all next gen and PC [with PC having slightly more bells and whistles]

But like I said, best to compare like for like games, since that's the only way to have a fair comparison - and compared to the PC version - the Xbox One is pretty close [apart from resolution and the extra PC only features.]


Guess best to wait for him to say :)



Shows the texture detail of the linen :)

Well I would have preferred Anne Bonny's. ;)

xCHEMISTx
11-27-2013, 06:10 PM
This is a link to the forum discussion. I didn't bring it up because I haven't played on next gen yet.

http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_one_games/a_-_d/assassins_creed_iv_black_flag/f/4086/t/1631093.aspx

pacmanate
11-27-2013, 06:11 PM
Basically the X1 is blurry, don't listen to Shade :p

Look at the pictures, you can see for yourself. its a crazy difference.

Imo its a bigger difference than expected. 900p to 1080p isnt as much difference as 720p to 1080p but obviously Ubi did some black magic.

Mr_Shade
11-27-2013, 06:14 PM
Imo its a bigger difference than expected. 900p to 1080p isnt as much difference as 720p to 1080p but obviously Ubi did some black magic.

900p to 1080p native = a fairly big increase ?;)

1600 x 900 = 1,440,000 pixels.
1920 x 1080 = 2,073,000 pixels.

pacmanate
11-27-2013, 06:26 PM
900p to 1080p native = a fairly big increase ?;)

1600 x 900 = 1,440,000 pixels.
1920 x 1080 = 2,073,000 pixels.



I said compared to 720p to 1080p. The difference is quiet substantial.

Mr_Shade
11-27-2013, 06:27 PM
This is a link to the forum discussion. I didn't bring it up because I haven't played on next gen yet.

http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_one_games/a_-_d/assassins_creed_iv_black_flag/f/4086/t/1631093.aspx
Well I can't comment on that - since it's their opinion - and I have not played the Xbox One version, however reviewers have noticed the differences on 360 and One, so I don't know what to say.


The Image quality - will not be as pin sharp as the PS4 1080p Native version, if you are playing on a 1080p TV - since the Xbox One version is still upscaling, however it's odd they noticed no improvements..


If you are looking to purchase the game, I suggest you look at reviews and decide.

Mr_Shade
11-27-2013, 06:30 PM
I said compared to 720p to 1080p. The difference is quiet substantial.
indeed.

Good job none were 720p native then;)

xCHEMISTx
11-27-2013, 06:34 PM
However reviewers have noticed the differences on 360 and One, so I don't know what to say.

I have noticed the difference between the 360 and X-Box One just from watching You-Tube videos so I agree with the reviews too. Thanks again for the info.

Mr_Shade
11-27-2013, 06:36 PM
I have noticed the difference between the 360 and X-Box One just from watching You-Tube videos so I agree with the reviews too. Thanks again for the info.
Not a problem :)

pacmanate
11-27-2013, 06:38 PM
indeed.

Good job none were 720p native then;)

Unlike the Xbone, LOL.

DetroitPlaya
11-27-2013, 06:42 PM
I haven't read the entire thread, so sorry if I say stuff which has been said already.

Ryse: Son of Rome is what I consider a Tech Demo.

It's a demonstration of how good the CryEngine runs on the Xbox One. Hence why graphically it looks stunning, but gameplay isn't as good as it could be - and it's a rather short title (5-7 hours).

However, then you look at a game like Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag. First of all; the engine isn't a XBO/PS4 dedicated engine - it's the PC engine with some alterations, as they didn't know the specs when the game development started. On top of that, it's had a lot more to load, interact with, etc..

However saying it's lacking? Seems a bit far. It might not be as graphical impressive as exclusives (key word!) like Killzone: Shadow Fall and Ryse: Son of Rome, but it's different kind of games, those are next-gen single-console exclusives, etc.. etc..

sanceman
11-27-2013, 06:47 PM
All I can say is that I am very disappointed of what the new consoles turned out to be. I was thinking on switching from PC and be a console gamer from now on but they did not even manage to do what should have been the bare minimum of quality: true 1080p resolution and 60 fps. I am playing on 60 fps on PC for at least 8 years now and in a 1080p resolution backed up by 60 fps for at least 3 years: why would I buy a console that has inferior quality. Hell, if you have a mid-high end PC you can play black flag in 1080p with 60 fps while you get only 30 fps and worse visuals on the PS4 (and before anyone starts telling you bollocks: there is a huuuuuge, clearly visible difference between 30 and 60 that improves the experience and you gaming skills by a long mile).

DetroitPlaya
11-27-2013, 06:52 PM
All I can say is that I am very disappointed of what the new consoles turned out to be. I was thinking on switching from PC and be a console gamer from now on but they did not even manage to do what should have been the bare minimum of quality: true 1080p resolution and 60 fps. I am playing on 60 fps on PC for at least 8 years now and in a 1080p resolution backed up by 60 fps for at least 3 years: why would I buy a console that has inferior quality. Hell, if you have a mid-high end PC you can play black flag in 1080p with 60 fps while you get only 30 fps on the PS4 (and before anyone starts telling you bollocks: there is a huuuuuge, clearly visible difference between 30 and 60 that improves the experience and you gaming skills by a long mile).

Because you can't for PS4-money buy a PC that runs it anywhere near as stable/good. Plus, you will not be able to run the games as well for the length of a console.

In order to get a PC that runs AC IV: BF like a PS4 (or even a PS3) does now - it would cost be.. 2-3 times as much as a PS4.

PC "elitists" (not saying you are one) tend to forget that PC costs more, more maintenance over the years, etc..

pacmanate
11-27-2013, 06:57 PM
Just looked on Eurogamer.

"44 per cent more resolution"

so the x1 version is 44 per cent worse than the PS4

sanceman
11-27-2013, 06:58 PM
Because you can't for PS4-money buy a PC that runs it anywhere near as stable/good. Plus, you will not be able to run the games as well for the length of a console.

In order to get a PC that runs AC IV: BF like a PS4 (or even a PS3) does now - it would cost be.. 2-3 times as much as a PS4.

PC "elitists" (not saying you are one) tend to forget that PC costs more, more maintenance over the years, etc..
You can buy a PC that runs the game just as good as a PS4 from the price of an Xbox One if you know how to build a good one from minimal money. It won't be high end but it will run all the games from the past 20 years great. :D

As for costs: there is no guarantee that your console won't break on you in a few years, also PC games are cheaper. I don't say you spend less if you game on PC but overall you don't spend more than what you'd spend on a console.

Mr_Shade
11-27-2013, 07:00 PM
Unlike the Xbone, LOL.
Xbox One is not 720p native - from what I am aware, we haven't said ;)

DetroitPlaya
11-27-2013, 07:06 PM
You can buy a PC that runs the game just as good as a PS4 from the price of an Xbox One if you know how to build a good one from minimal money. It won't be high end but it will run all the games from the past 20 years great. :D


Not here you can't. You can't even get a decent budget PC for that price.

Neither can you get a PS4-performing PC in most other countries for the price of a PS4.

pacmanate
11-27-2013, 07:10 PM
Xbox One is not 720p native - from what I am aware, we haven't said ;)

I meant majority. AC4 is 900p on the X1, i counted the pixels.

TheArcaneEagle
11-27-2013, 07:28 PM
I meant majority. AC4 is 900p on the X1, i counted the pixels.

I think you are right. 900p @ 30 fps.

pacmanate
11-27-2013, 07:38 PM
I think you are right. 900p @ 30 fps.

It is right :p digital foundry said soooo

sanceman
11-27-2013, 08:00 PM
Not here you can't. You can't even get a decent budget PC for that price.

Neither can you get a PS4-performing PC in most other countries for the price of a PS4.
Sure prices can vary, in the country where I live (Hungary) both consoles cost a bit higher than their US prices. No surpirse that most people play on PC here.

DetroitPlaya
11-27-2013, 08:02 PM
I live in Denmark, and it's just crazy what a PC gaming rig will cost you.

A PS4 is $630 here, and.. We need to dish out the double for a PC that can run it that well at least.

But yeah, then look at a country like Brazil; that's a no-brainer; PC

phoenix-force411
11-27-2013, 08:20 PM
Xbox One cannot simply change their hardware to play 1080p if it was launched to play only at 900p at best. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag on Xbox One is the same as the PS4 and PC, but it plays only at 900p and below. The only consoles up to date that can play 1080p are PS4 and Wii U, but Wii U doesn't possess the next-gen graphics or foliage system.

ProletariatPleb
11-27-2013, 08:35 PM
(Suppresses rage)

Shahkulu101
11-27-2013, 08:46 PM
(Suppresses rage)

Fffwhyyy?

Kagurra
11-27-2013, 10:53 PM
Xbox one version looks amazing as it is, and like the devs have said, the next AC, which will truly be next-gen, will look amazing. The consoles just came out, and they had little time to work with them for AC4. We'll start seeing great things in a little while. Watch Dogs for example looks fantastic and that's only what we've seen on crappy youtube videos that lower the quality. I'm glad they pushed it back so they have more time to work with the next-gen consoles and iron out all the bugs so it doesn't end up like GTA5. It broke sales records but now barely anybody even talks about it, let alone plays it.

creamofpayne
11-27-2013, 11:02 PM
Xbox one version looks amazing as it is, and like the devs have said, the next AC, which will truly be next-gen, will look amazing. The consoles just came out, and they had little time to work with them for AC4. We'll start seeing great things in a little while. Watch Dogs for example looks fantastic and that's only what we've seen on crappy youtube videos that lower the quality. I'm glad they pushed it back so they have more time to work with the next-gen consoles and iron out all the bugs so it doesn't end up like GTA5. It broke sales records but now barely anybody even talks about it, let alone plays it.

I completely agree with you about Watch Dogs, but with the track record of late for most major titles, I have little hope that it will be as amazing as we think. I've lost faith in the gaming industry :( but when you have low expectations, you have less disappointment, so that's always nice.

ProletariatPleb
11-29-2013, 06:45 AM
Fffwhyyy?
Typical sonyponies is why.

>Downplay the difference between a PC and PS3 everyday
>Suddenly new toy has double the ROPs what PC had in 2005 (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1001870/nvidias-g71-has-32-pipes-and-16-rops)
>SUDDENLY the difference between XB1 and PS4 is big.

D.I.D.
11-29-2013, 10:03 AM
Xbox One cannot simply change their hardware to play 1080p if it was launched to play only at 900p at best. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag on Xbox One is the same as the PS4 and PC, but it plays only at 900p and below. The only consoles up to date that can play 1080p are PS4 and Wii U, but Wii U doesn't possess the next-gen graphics or foliage system.

Don't get too into this idea on the basis of a few early games (and ESPECIALLY not because of CoD:Ghosts which, it should be pointed out, ran inexplicably poorly on PC too so it's not a good yardstick).

It is simply not the case that "only PS4 and WiiU can play 1080p". Especially in the case of the WiiU, think about what you're saying. The WiiU runs its own games at that res. Great, but it's not an achievement in and of itself. PCs have been doing this for ages, but it's not meaningful: it's what the machine is doing at 1080p that counts. Besides, if you're going to pick PS4 over X1 because of a marginal difference in res, why choose PS4 at all? Won't the Steam Machines kill the PS4 on day one? Well of course they won't - people choose a gaming platform because of how it feels and the unique games it might have.

X1 has an absolutely phenomenal OS/UI that no other console can touch, and potentially a great future in cloud processing with Microsoft's excellent server infrastructure. PS4 has a unique style of artistic and emotional games which Sony fosters on all their consoles - an excellent reason to buy their machines. WiiU is where you go if you love the tradition of Nintendo, and their integrated peripheral.

Resolution is not a factor anyone should be focused on here. I have no horse in this race as I'm a PC owner who, if he had to choose a console today, would probably plump for the PS4 on account of the Ico/Journey/Flower heritage, but it still saddens me to see people counting out such a great console as the X1 for such empty reasons.