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Franzen
04-27-2004, 08:49 AM
Hi all,

Not here to complain or whine. Just looking for some info. Some of you guyz seem to know a lot about creating games.

I just thought it was odd that we only have two, or possibly three various engine sounds. It seems to me that we should have at least ten different engine sound variations for single engine aircraft. So, may question is "why?".

As I said I know little about game making. Is it difficult to have so many different sounds? I know it's impossible to be accurate but I think planes with unigue sounds would be a nice touch. Just wanted to ask you guys before I waste thread space in ORR.

Fritz Franzen

Franzen
04-27-2004, 08:49 AM
Hi all,

Not here to complain or whine. Just looking for some info. Some of you guyz seem to know a lot about creating games.

I just thought it was odd that we only have two, or possibly three various engine sounds. It seems to me that we should have at least ten different engine sound variations for single engine aircraft. So, may question is "why?".

As I said I know little about game making. Is it difficult to have so many different sounds? I know it's impossible to be accurate but I think planes with unigue sounds would be a nice touch. Just wanted to ask you guys before I waste thread space in ORR.

Fritz Franzen

p1ngu666
04-27-2004, 08:50 AM
so we can have squicky sounds when they ill :\

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S 8
04-27-2004, 08:54 AM
Maybe we should ask Mitsu who has done some great soundpacks to Aces High to do some for FB/AEP. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Franzen
04-27-2004, 08:57 AM
My 109 gets squeeky sounds right after a P-51 spray. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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LEBillfish
04-27-2004, 09:50 AM
Though I'm pretty sure there are more then just 3 engine sounds, right off able to think of 5+, you're correct in saying that many sound alike.

However consider the following. Many planes used the same engines. Some changes to say H.P. yet essentially the same engine might only result in a deeper tone ever so slightly so perhaps not worth the change. However, I'd venture you are correct in that engine sounds here are limited.

Only one problem though.....Who really can say what many of these planes sound like? Remember, most of these planes do not exist in "original" flyable forms anymore, and even the slightest change in load or rpm can dramatically alter sound let alone most engines I'd bet are well modified from the original. Actual pilots opinions you can never be sure of as after 60 years, it's hard to recall an exact sound.

I agree it would be great to have more engine sounds then what we do.....However, I'm just not sure how you could do it without "faking it".

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Franzen
04-27-2004, 09:59 AM
I really didn't think we could get anything accurate. According to all my movies none of the FB planes sound like the recordings. Of course there are many variables to consider.

I was thinking more along the lines of having the sound slightly changed between planes. Although not authentic or accurate, it would be nice.

Fritz Franzen

Franzen
04-27-2004, 12:33 PM
bump

Huckebein_UK
04-27-2004, 01:42 PM
I dunno, many planes in FB still have survivors today. There'd be no problem, for example, providing a digital recording of a Mustang, Hurricane, P-47, P-38, Spitfire, Blenheim, P-40, Bf 109E, or a C-47 - and I'm sure there's some I've missed. If CFS2 can manage it, why can't UBI? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I understand it would be difficult for some of the Russian/ obscure planes, but they could (in my opinion) have done a lot better on this side of things. How can you have a Spitfire with that beautiful, purring Merlin sound the same as a clattering old T-Bolt or an ear-splitting Daimler-Benz? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Das_alte_leid
04-27-2004, 02:11 PM
Hey guys.

I seem to recall this being brought up a while ago. I think the reply was that the sound of engines are the way they are because this enables the advanced 3D sound we get.

I mean, think about it. Go to outside view in say the 109, and listen to the engine from the rear. then move so you are looking at the aircraft side-on. The sound alters to reflect the sound you get in real life, to do with the angle of the prop blades and such forth.

It also enables the flybies to sound as they do.

Sorry if this is long winded and hard to follow. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Maybe a moderator could clear this up (crazyivan?)?

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Bigsweede
04-27-2004, 03:02 PM
Well... the P51's and the Spitfires does'nt sound lika any i've heard in real life..
P51 sounds more like a lawnmover with higher rew, a bit rediculous for such a powerful machine.
Are ther any sound packs made yet..?

LW_lcarp
04-27-2004, 03:09 PM
It would be nice to hear the ballsy rumble of a merlin in a P-51 or Spitfire. And the sound of the 109 was alot better in The orginal IL2 then it is in FB IMHO

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lazio5
04-27-2004, 03:14 PM
I wish the team would put aside some time and work on the sounds. They are lacking.
Sound is more important than many think, i wish it was atleast moddable.

One of the patches of the original IL2, was the best it got. It was not bad.

VW-IceFire
04-27-2004, 05:53 PM
I think its a case of limitations of the lowest common denominator in sound cards.

Probably BoB will require more advanced sound cards to achieve good sound quality...and I'm hoping that by that point they can reproduce the sound qualities of the planes they are modeling more or less.

I want to really hear and identify with a Merlin, or a Sabre (which sounds much the same), or a Diamler Benz or a Klimov...

But not right now I don't think so...

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noshens
04-27-2004, 06:21 PM
A good place to start is here

http://www.lsss.homestead.com/Sounds1~ie4.html

JG7_Rall
04-27-2004, 06:46 PM
This has been discussed before...I think Oleg said that the sounds aren't as accurate due to the limitations of the game engine...they wanted to have a doppler effect but did that while sacrificing better sounds. Or something like that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Bo_Nidle
04-27-2004, 07:03 PM
I have always hungered after correct sounds in IL2 to make the experience complete.

If they can get the single most important one right I'll be a happy bunny: The Rolls Royce Merlin.

Nothing else in the world sounds like a Merlin.To watch the Spits,Hurris and P-51s at Duxford fly past and hear that wonderful engine note makes the hairs on my arms stand up and gives me goosepimples (goosebumps to you colonials).Its about the only thing that IL2 has never managed to capture.

IMHO its essential for the forthcoming BoB.

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Bearcat99
04-28-2004, 05:03 AM
I dont think the engine sounds in FB are too bad. They could be better. You notice a difference between the P-51B and the D? Or the P-40 and the P-39. I like the sound of the 109s engines.....

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Franzen
04-28-2004, 05:21 AM
I guess there's always new possibilities with a great sound card. Unfortunately, I don't have one.

I agree Bearcat, the 109 sounds nice. It reminds me of a 350 Chev I used to have. The broken exhaust added nice touch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif The gas tank seemed to be too small though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Fritz Franzen

trumper
04-28-2004, 06:17 AM
I asked this a while ago and Oleg actually posted a reply,basically it's not possible to do a life like recording and match it to what is happening in the game.
I can't find the thread now i've tried a search but with no luck,oh well.
I know someone in our squad put a RR Merlin soundtrack with a movie of a f/b Spitfire and it completely altered the whole experience for a 100% better,shame it can't be done at the moment. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Bigsweede
04-28-2004, 09:20 AM
And i miss the whisteling sound from the 109's kompressor

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04-28-2004, 09:56 AM
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tfu_iain1
04-28-2004, 01:33 PM
i remember the engine tick over on all the aircraft was far more meaty in FB v1.0 than all the other versions... i have quite a large set of speakers attached to my machine, and it used to sound immense.. now its the kind of tick over you only get on the tb3 and older aircraft. bf109 db tick over sounds horrible these days, tho the engine sounds great at revs.... ive seen black 6 fly tho, the db sounds brutal in a flypast, truly brutal, like a turbine mixed with an angry buzzsaw... not refined and smooth like the merlin but brutal. we dont necessarily need more realistic sounds, but something with a bit more oomph would be nice

Afreaka
04-28-2004, 01:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
I have always hungered after correct sounds in IL2 to make the experience complete.
IMHO its essential for the forthcoming BoB
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I second that. It is not all eyecandy even though this is what sells many games. I remember when soundpacks where created for "European Air War". It was almost like playing a new game for a while. But currently I have no real objection to FB's soundcanvas. As the short comings are minimal. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Ed_the_sock
04-28-2004, 06:33 PM
This seems like a suitable thread to ask - what exactly does the '3d engine mode' in il2setup do ? Is it refering to software in il2 (handled by CPU), or settings on your sound card (handled by its processor) ?

Sound has always been a mystery ever since I got il2-fb. It sounds different after every patch, and every sound card driver update. None of my other games seem to change - maybe the performance goes up a fraction of a fps.

tttiger
04-28-2004, 08:19 PM
Every other sim I have flown has made provision for third-party sound packs and some of them were amazing. You could even mix wav files from several packs to get the sounds you liked best for each aircraft and each gun.

In most cases, the people who made the sounds did extensive recordings of each aircraft both internal and external. Same for guns. They went out and recorded the real deal.

IL-2/FB/AEP sounds are like listening to Bach played on a synthesizer (as in PDQ) rather than a huge church organ. It just ain't the same.

Why third party skins and even third party aircraft are allowed but not third party sound packs is a mystery to me. Just saying "it's the 3D" isn't an acceptable answer. It's not that hard to take recordings of real aircraft and make them into 3D.

I agree the Merlin sound is the most pathetic in IL-2/FB/AEP. They have a very distinctive growl and a just as distinctive series of backfires when the throttle is pulled back. If you've ever seen (or watched a film of) a Spit or a P-51 or (especially) a Mossie land, you can't mistake the sound.

I remember driving once through Mohave, Calif. and one of the P-51s that race at Reno was out practicing -- very low. I didn't see him at first but I sure heard him when he roared right over me. Shook the whole car. Scared the hell out of me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

By comparison, the Merlin in the sim sounds more like my weed-whacker.

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Franzen
04-29-2004, 03:44 AM
You mean the Spitfire and the Singer sewing machines use different engines? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Fritz Franzen

WTE_Ibis
04-29-2004, 04:27 AM
There was a post in Olegs ready room on
24th december that explains this.
I wou http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gifld post the link but dont know how.

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adlabs6
04-29-2004, 08:32 AM
I do hope that BoB will have better sounds. I've listened to some recordings of big radials, and have a 20MB audio package installed for my FS2004 DC-3, and I cannot imagine having that experience in FB. It would almost change the entire nature of the sim for me.

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adlabs6
04-29-2004, 08:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kneebonejockey:
There was a post in Olegs ready room on
24th december that explains this.
I wou http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gifld post the link but dont know how.

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Bigsweede
04-30-2004, 02:13 AM
Whas'nt it Briggs & Stratton that built the Merlin engines... or not..?
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WTE_Ibis
05-02-2004, 02:58 PM
Thanks Adlab6 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Curly_109
05-02-2004, 05:36 PM
if applyable and could be done then is it real shame to not do it.. it's funny spit & mustang beautiful merlin sound http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
bf109 & zero think have same soundz & etc. whining again, aren't i? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Franzen
05-02-2004, 07:37 PM
Did you know that the Americans were buying engines from Daimler-Benz to power the P-47's? It's true. If you want proof, just listen to the P-47 and then the 109. See, you learn something new everyday. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Fritz Franzen