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SpatulaOfDoom
11-09-2013, 07:43 AM
Congratulations Durendal!

Well done Durendal on your victory in the Fall Open, and a great effort by Pascoalabear to finish as the runner-up.

Big thanks to all participants, we will definitely learn from this experience to make our next tournaments even better. I apologize for any issues with scheduling, but for the most part, I thought this was a fun and successful tournament.


The final results can be viewed here. (http://challonge.com/fallopen)


You can see highlights and replays from pool play here. (http://www.twitch.tv/tyrion137/c/3294133)

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You can still see the pools here. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqDUVfKt26XUdHhsbmRieHdKbm0xQlpSdC14MTNJZ UE&usp=drive_web#gid=0)

PLEASE Don't forget to send screenshots of your victories to gabrielst@hotmail.ca or TyrionTV@gmail.com with the title "Fall Open Match Victory"


Greetings Champions! It is my pleasure to introduce to you an exciting new upcoming event for the DOC Community...

http://i.imgur.com/VTy8r60.png

"Open" indicates that this tournament has open registration - our only requirement is that participants must have attained AT LEAST 1000 elo. We will be accepting the first 128 players that respond to this forum post and placing you into the tournament.

Details:
- Players will be able to choose two heroes that they will play throughout the ENTIRE tournament
- Players can modify decks between every game, but you must always use one of your two chosen heroes
- 128 players will be divided into 32 pools of four
- Each player will play a best-of-3 series against every other player in their pool
- The player with the best record in each pool will advance to bracket play
- Tiebreak order is 1) Head-to-head, 2) Game differential, 3) Games won, 4) Coin Flip
- Bracket play will consist of best-of-3 matches until the finals, which will be a best-of-5
- Screenshots must be submitted by the winner of every match to gabrielst@hotmail.ca or tyriontv@gmail.com with the Subject line "Fall Open Match Victory"
- If you have any particularly exciting games during the group stage, we suggest that you send the replay file in an email with the Subject line "Fall Open Great Game" to tyriontv@gmail.com
- The prize pool for this tournament is $2,000,000 Gold! - this will be split among the top 8 finishers
- Replays must be submitted for all games in bracket play

(You can find your replay files in Windows 7 by going to C://Users/YOUR_NAME/AppData/Roaming/Ubisoft/MMDoC-PDCLive/GameData/Replay)

How to register:
- Reply to this forum post with the names of the two heroes you will be using for the entire tournament
- Please include your in-game name, if it is different for some reason
- Be careful! Once you have posted your two heroes here, you cannot change them :)

When is this happening?
- The tournament pools will be created next Friday, November 15th
- All players will have until Friday, November 22nd to play their 3 round robin sets
- We will be streaming group play games on Saturday, November 23rd, and we will post the final bracket after the stream
- The top 32 players will have until November 30th to play through the bracket
- We will be streaming the finals on Sunday, December 1st

Current Registrants:
1) Freyjan
2) Honk160
3) Pwnpoints
4) GustavXIII
5) Really0riginal
6) Enclase
7) SpatulaOfDoom (Tyrion)
8) XingXang
9) Lavicc
10) Boonana1
11) Evil_Nuff
12) jkk89
13) rstubh87
14) ZergRusher
15) Begpo_CnupTa
16) Lex-58
17) Bond2King
18) Narutoisonfir3
19) AbelSovereign
20) sarkocreme
21) Shop1189306233
22) LQDBrunt
23) AmineM2
24) VampFury
25) Zmajoubica
26) Akwali
27) atord-Nordos
28) Maydur
29) Dipl0mate
30) SoAmazinglyBad
31) Allinim
32) Durendal100
33) xRoni
34) Shimaria
35) defunkt99
36) xYTKAx
37) ascendo
38) trupiciel
39) liness4
40) Lis1ca
41) Ironaya
42) FatCatGaming
43) Pascoalabear
44) Uraxor
45) Shadowshadet
46) Przekliniaczek
47) Syltir
48) Fluoxetin1990
49) Gotmet
50) onza_
51) Cannablitz (replaced Michallato)
52) Zildounet
53) chuckdeg
54) GZ.Milky
55) Fredar
56) maly_drab
57) YourEND767
58) Dragonsir11
59) SarethITA
60) Atuan
61) guest-QOEJ1ld7
62) RedEmperor30
63) MistuhRager
64) jjofnwa
65) Faulesai
66) tobaccojoe
67) ASUR-VENUS
68) Roiginb
69) UottEvar
70) DrinkOfMyLife
71) Zomtack
72) MageCollins
73) Nillicomes
74) Paul.Atreides
75) Unrealka
76) Irgy_
77) LordDustkillers
78) Sprouler
79) Pegase384
80) wherehaveubeen
81) MiedoMorir
82) KickzWithFistz
83) bazaltovy
84) Exonerc
85) czwartek22
86) Jorghen
87) kayaza2004
88) Zmiotek
89) Jayzilla
90) DoubleDeck
91) freelhc
92) bustio
93) painful_smile
94) faynnn
95) Hypoethical
96) DejaTwo
97 Feep123
98) jacqui2
99) Irydion42
100) Niltarash
101) Delmar_v
102) MrMefetran
103) Kroko.
104) Pashtak90
105) MnM_vs_Smarties
106) Bony666
107) aristolh
108) BloodLoveAngel
109) shel37
110) NumberFifteen
111) Jartik2013
112) Stupidtrader
113) B0nq
114) Sp3llfyre
115) Kinetic_42
116) valekpwnz
117) Thorontir
118) DVGU
119) TheNerdThing
120) MoonSilverNS
121) MonClamari1410
122) aetheriality
123) TheMots
124) Strmtrpr81
125) Karrong
126) deatrick42
127) Kokeza1911
128) s3ryu5

Waiting List:
129) Asaraz

Good luck everyone! Hope to see you on the battlefield.

EDIT: Group play has been changed to bo3!

ReallyOriginal
11-09-2013, 07:47 AM
Me and Tyrion worked on this project for you guys, feel free to submit replays so that we can discuss them and share them with the viewers ;)!

Zardoc & Shalan :D!

Cheers guys!

Gl & Hf

Enclase
11-09-2013, 07:48 AM
Cassandra & Hakeem

SpatulaOfDoom
11-09-2013, 07:49 AM
Kaiko and Alia

kmalizia
11-09-2013, 07:50 AM
Crag & Xorm
IG name is XingXang

Lavicc
11-09-2013, 07:51 AM
Thanks for working on this tournament guys ^^ I'm gonna enter with Shalan & Asalah

boonana1
11-09-2013, 07:52 AM
Im in how about ishuma and hakeem

Evil_Nuff
11-09-2013, 08:17 AM
I am in, Ishuma and Sandalphon

jkk89
11-09-2013, 08:31 AM
I'm in.

In-game name: jkkk89

I choose Cassandra & Dhamiria.

rstubh87
11-09-2013, 09:14 AM
I'm in.

Kelthor and Shalan for me.

ZergRusher
11-09-2013, 09:53 AM
Yay, open tournie!!!!

Cassandra and Sandal

is it possible to change the 2cd hero later?

Begpo_CnupTa
11-09-2013, 09:54 AM
Sandalphon + Dhamiria

Lex-58
11-09-2013, 09:56 AM
I'm in.
In-game name: Lex-58
Dhamiria and Ignatius

Bond2King
11-09-2013, 10:05 AM
Xorm and Sandalphon

Narutoisonfir3
11-09-2013, 10:11 AM
Acamas and Ishuma

Ingame Nick: Narutoisonfir3

SpatulaOfDoom
11-09-2013, 10:14 AM
Yay, open tournie!!!!

Cassandra and Sandal

is it possible to change the 2cd hero later?


- Be careful! Once you have posted your two heroes here, you cannot change them :)

Sorry, but no changing later ;)

SiberiaCloud
11-09-2013, 10:14 AM
AbelSovereign

I will be using Ishuma and Myranda.

sarkocreme
11-09-2013, 10:29 AM
Awesome!

I'll use Ignatius + Ishuma

shop1189306233
11-09-2013, 10:44 AM
I'm game, ishuma and Alia
Shop1189306233

LQDBrunt
11-09-2013, 10:44 AM
Ty for making this.
I'm in with Kelthor and Cassandra.

AmineM2
11-09-2013, 11:02 AM
I'm in

Ishuma and Kaiko

VampFury
11-09-2013, 11:03 AM
Nice initiative :)

I am in with *drumroll* Cassandra and Sandalphone.

Zmajoubica
11-09-2013, 11:05 AM
I'm in.
Ishuma and Kelthor.

Akwali
11-09-2013, 11:11 AM
IGN: Akwali

Alia & Zardoc ;)

GustavXIII
11-09-2013, 11:29 AM
My name is already there, nice :p

Count me in: GustavXIII , Heroes: Cassandra and Dhamiria

atord-Nordos
11-09-2013, 11:36 AM
Sounds interesting.
Well, I will choose something unconventional.

Garrant and Seria

Maydur
11-09-2013, 11:40 AM
Sound fun.

Ishuma and Dhamiria

Dipl0mate
11-09-2013, 11:40 AM
I'm in !

Cassandra and... Kaiko :)

SoAmazinglyBad
11-09-2013, 11:50 AM
SoAmazinglyBad
Dhamira and Ammar :)

Allinim
11-09-2013, 11:51 AM
Allinim
Ishuma & Sandalphon

Durendal100
11-09-2013, 12:04 PM
Cassie and Ariana i am in i am in Yeyeyey :P

xRoni
11-09-2013, 12:08 PM
Im in :) Heroes: Takana and Ignatius :D IGN xRoni ;p

Shimaria
11-09-2013, 12:12 PM
Hi all you can register Shimaria and i will play Sandalphon and Ignatus

defunkt99
11-09-2013, 12:25 PM
ig: defunkt99

Ignatius
Dhamiria

xYTKAx
11-09-2013, 12:42 PM
Dhamiria and Adar Malik

AscendoO
11-09-2013, 12:43 PM
ign: ascendo

heros:

Kelthor
Adar-Malik

trupiciel
11-09-2013, 12:56 PM
Crag Hack and Cassandra
trupiciel

liness4
11-09-2013, 01:14 PM
Nergal and Akane :p

Liness4

Lis1ca
11-09-2013, 01:15 PM
hi.. ingame: Lis1ca

heroes: hakeem and myranda

seryu5
11-09-2013, 01:20 PM
takana and zardoc
nickname: s3ryu5

Ironaya
11-09-2013, 01:27 PM
Huhu. I'd also want to play.

IGN: Ironaya

Heros used:

Hakeem
Dhamiria

I could possibly switch in Shalan for Adar-Malik but would tell you asap (need 2 more cards for the shalan deck and want to test it first) if that isnt possible just stick with those 2 and i ll play them. Just want to make sure i can sign up for the tournament.

So yeah big thanks to you 2 for creating this tournament!

PS: shouldnt be a prob to change the deck in the next couple of days before the tournament tree / round robin teams are set up or?

Edit: Exchanged Adar-Malik for Dhamiria

FatCatGaming
11-09-2013, 01:38 PM
IGN: FatCatGaming

Heroes: Dhamiria and Ignaitus

Pascoalabear
11-09-2013, 02:04 PM
IGN: Pascoalabear

Dhamiria and Sandalphon

Uraxor
11-09-2013, 02:25 PM
IGN: Uraxor

decks: Cassie Dearie and um ... Ariana (subject to change :P)

(now I'm gonna go read what is this about ..)

ShadowShadet
11-09-2013, 02:38 PM
IGN: Shadowshadet
Akane/Dhamiria

BigZii
11-09-2013, 02:43 PM
Ign: Przekliniaczek

Heroes - Sandalphon/Seria

Syltir
11-09-2013, 02:47 PM
IGN : Syltir

Heroes : Hakeem/Zardoc

Fluoxetin1990
11-09-2013, 03:04 PM
IGN: Fluoxetin1990

Heroes: Dhamiria, Zardoc

Gotmet
11-09-2013, 03:04 PM
IGN: Gotmet

Alia and Zouleika

onza_
11-09-2013, 03:10 PM
Cassandra and Dhamiria

michallato
11-09-2013, 03:22 PM
IGN:michallato
Adar Malik and Kelthor

Zildounet
11-09-2013, 03:53 PM
IGN: Zildounet
Asalah and Dhamiria

chuckdeg
11-09-2013, 04:19 PM
If there is still space left :

IGN : chuckdeg

Ishuma and Zardoc

Milky97
11-09-2013, 04:21 PM
IGN: GZ.Milky
Dhamiria/ Garant

Fredar
11-09-2013, 04:26 PM
Count me in.

Ishuma and Sandal

maly_drab
11-09-2013, 04:38 PM
Im in :)

Ignatius / Dhamira

YourEND767
11-09-2013, 04:45 PM
I'm in :)

Dhamiria and Ishuma

Dragonsir11
11-09-2013, 04:47 PM
Ashalah and Crag hack please

SarethITA
11-09-2013, 04:49 PM
Zardoc / Akane(Academy one)

Atuan
11-09-2013, 05:17 PM
Atuan , and my heroes are Zardoc and Dhamiria ;)

guest-QOEJ1ld7
11-09-2013, 05:17 PM
IGN : guest-QOEJ1ld7

Morgan and Zardoc

RedEmperor30
11-09-2013, 05:49 PM
Is there still space? If so im in Cass and Sand

ign: RedEmperor30

MistuhJones
11-09-2013, 05:50 PM
Would Love to play.
MistuhRager - Ishuma / Sandal

jjofnwa
11-09-2013, 05:53 PM
IGN: jjofnwa

Ishuma & Cassandra

Faulesai
11-09-2013, 06:04 PM
IGN. Faulesai
Heroes: Shalan and Hakeem

tobaccojoe
11-09-2013, 06:06 PM
Dhamiria & Kelthor.
tobaccojoe.

AS_UR
11-09-2013, 06:08 PM
if still space:
ign asur-venus

heroes: ishuma and zardoc

Freyjan
11-09-2013, 06:16 PM
Not sure if it'll matter since you guys already know, but my IGN is Freyjan and not Freyjana. Just a heads up :)

Edit:
God this week has been busy, I have not had much time to test interesting things so I'm just going to default to Dhamiria and Ishuma as my 2 heroes.

Roiginbag
11-09-2013, 06:40 PM
Dhamiria & Ignatius
Ingame name: Roiginb

UottEvar
11-09-2013, 06:41 PM
UottEvar

Shaar ana Akane(Academy)
If there are still places ofc

DrinkOfMyLife
11-09-2013, 06:47 PM
If you have space count me in!
DrinkOfMyLife - Zardoc/Alia

majin622
11-09-2013, 07:35 PM
hopefully you can overlook my elo as I still don't want to go over 1000 elo but I have reached t1 a lot and been winning swiss regularly too

IGN: majinsensei
Ishuma and Sandal

Zomtack
11-09-2013, 07:52 PM
Im in

Zomtack , use Ishuma and Adar Malik

MageCollins
11-09-2013, 08:05 PM
Hey Tyrion xD Interesting Tournament.

Akane and Ammar

Academy Represent!

Paul.Atreides.
11-09-2013, 10:44 PM
In-game name: Paul.Atreides
Dhamiria and Zardoc

Unrealka
11-09-2013, 10:50 PM
Waiting for expanding
Unrealka, Cassandra/Morgan

Irgy_
11-10-2013, 12:27 AM
Darn, shouldn't have spent any time pondering my choice of heroes. 128 players ftw! I'd just like to point out if you're doing a group stage to start with anyway you can support other sizes like e.g. 96 with groups of 6 (or 3 for that matter)...

IGN: Irgy_

Heroes: Kelthor, Garant

LordDustkillers
11-10-2013, 12:30 AM
Hi i'm in if possible.

Addar and Garant.

Sprouler
11-10-2013, 12:35 AM
Sprouler

Ishuma and kelthor

Pegase384
11-10-2013, 03:14 AM
Hi
I choose ishuma and cassandra.

Pegase384

Kokeza1950
11-10-2013, 05:09 AM
Kokeza1911
Takana and Garant
Sorry for the late update

wherehaveubeen
11-10-2013, 10:22 AM
Hello there. I'm in.
IGN: wherehaveubeen
Heroes: Adar-Malik and Hotv Gazal

MiedoMorir
11-10-2013, 11:30 AM
MiedoMorir

Gazal, HotV & Shalan

KickzWithFistz
11-10-2013, 12:18 PM
KickzWithFistz

Sandalphon / Cassandra

Bazaltovy
11-10-2013, 01:43 PM
Count me in, IGN: bazaltovy, chosen heroes: F**kelthor & Ishumagnificent

Exonerc
11-10-2013, 02:01 PM
I am in :

Exonerc and I will play : Dhamiria and Sandalphon

czwartek22
11-10-2013, 02:08 PM
Hey, great idea and thanks for your effort.

IGN: czwartek22
Heroes: Alia and Kelthor

Jorghen
11-10-2013, 02:37 PM
IGN: Jorghen
crag hack / alia

kayaza2004
11-10-2013, 02:41 PM
kayaza2004

hero:Adar-Malik Hakeem

Zmiotek
11-10-2013, 02:56 PM
Woah, looks good, count me in

Zmiotek: Cassandra and Dhamiria

Jayzilla
11-10-2013, 03:14 PM
If there is room,
Jayzilla
Nergal and Hakeem

DoubleDeck
11-10-2013, 03:34 PM
I'm in! Name: DoubleDeck

Heroes: Crag Hack & Garant

freelhc
11-10-2013, 05:30 PM
Count me in too. Thanks R0 and Tyrion for organizing this : )
freelhc - Sandalphon / Dhamiria

bustio
11-10-2013, 07:03 PM
Thank you for this!
I'm in with Kelthor and ishuma

IGN: bustio

LOLBRODSLOL
11-10-2013, 07:57 PM
Im in, in game name is lolbrodslol, seria & mother namtaru

painful_smile
11-10-2013, 08:55 PM
in
ign: painful_smile
heroes:
hakeem & zardoc

faynnn
11-10-2013, 09:41 PM
ign: faynnn

heroes: cassandra and sandalphon

hypoethical
11-10-2013, 10:23 PM
Hypoethical; Cassandra and ignatius (hakeem if my 2min edit isnt allowed)

DejaTwo
11-10-2013, 10:25 PM
I'm in.

IGN: DejaTwo

Heroes: Myranda and Dhamiria.

Feep123
11-10-2013, 10:39 PM
IGN: Feep123

Heroes: Asalah & Adar-Malik

jacqui2
11-11-2013, 12:57 AM
IGN: jacqui2

heroes: crag & adar

Irydion42
11-11-2013, 04:35 AM
Irydion42
Heroes: Zardoc and Takana

Niltarash
11-11-2013, 04:36 AM
Hi there

IGN : Niltarash

Heroes : Sandalphon & Zardoc

Delmar_v
11-11-2013, 07:40 AM
Cassandra and Ariana
Nickname: Delmar_v

MrMefetran
11-11-2013, 07:47 AM
Sandalphon and Ishuma
IGN: MrMefetran

Krroko
11-11-2013, 08:39 AM
IGN: Kroko.
Cassandra and Nergal

Pashtak90
11-11-2013, 09:15 AM
I would like to participate, too!

Kelthor and Akane (new academy one)

IGN: Pashtak90

Ipwnfour
11-11-2013, 10:58 AM
If there is still a spot, count me in!

IGN: MnM_vs_Smarties

Heroes: Cassandra and Crag Hack

Bony666
11-11-2013, 11:10 AM
Bony666
Heroes: Sandalphon and Zardoc

aristolh
11-11-2013, 09:02 PM
aristolh
dhamiria & crag

BloodLoveAngel
11-11-2013, 09:09 PM
BloodLoveAngel
Heroes: Crag + Dhamiria

pwnpoints
11-11-2013, 10:07 PM
Thanks for doing this R0 & Tyrion, much appreciated. I'll go Sandal & Dham.

shel37
11-12-2013, 01:39 AM
If there is any spot:

shel37

Heroes: Ishuma-Dhamiria

Thanks!

NumberFifteen
11-12-2013, 04:04 AM
I also would like to join.

NumberFifteen

Cassandra & Kelthor

Thanks to Tyrion and R0 for organizing!

Jartik2013
11-12-2013, 04:07 AM
Jartik2013 ishuma/sandaphon

stupidtrader
11-12-2013, 04:16 AM
Stupidtrader

Zardoc/cassandra

Bony666
11-12-2013, 09:56 AM
B0nq (my brother)

hero: sandaphon and crag

Sp3llfyre
11-12-2013, 03:20 PM
Sp3llfyre
Ishuma and Cass

Kinetic_42
11-12-2013, 05:26 PM
Would love to enter if there is still room:

Account: Kinetic_42
Decks: Dhamaria and Crag Hack

Edit Note: If I do get in the contest, opponents feel free to email me at TallaRPGGame@outlook.com to set up matches. I am generally available on weekends, and after 6PM EST on weekdays. Thank you!

valekpwnz
11-12-2013, 05:41 PM
If there is a place i'm interested! Myranda and Cassandra here.

Kinetic_42
11-12-2013, 06:18 PM
Question:

It appears that the Top 32 will take place between Nov. 22 and Nov. 29. In America this is during the Thanksgiving holiday. Due to having to play the games in an order, it is possible that some of the participants may have issue scheduling games during the final days (Nov. 27-29). With the final currently having a solid date of Nov. 30, this leaves no room for extensions.

Is it possible to extend the tournament to accommodate, by moving the Finals back to the first week of December (7-8 would be the first Sat/Sun), and allowing the games in the upper brackets (Top 8, and Top 4) to play during the week of Nov. 30- Dec. 6? This would allow more flexibility with players trying to get games from the Top 32 and Top 16 brackets during the Thanksgiving holiday.

lawslop
11-12-2013, 06:38 PM
IGN: Cannablitz
Zardoc and Dhimiria

Thorontir
11-12-2013, 06:42 PM
IGN: Thorontir

Yukiko and Dhamiria

michallato
11-12-2013, 06:44 PM
Sorry i em out from the tournament. (dont have time:{ )
IGN michallato

DVGU
11-12-2013, 07:15 PM
IGN : DVGU

Dhamiria and Ishuma

Thx for the tournament .

SpatulaOfDoom
11-12-2013, 07:23 PM
Question:

It appears that the Top 32 will take place between Nov. 22 and Nov. 29. In America this is during the Thanksgiving holiday. Due to having to play the games in an order, it is possible that some of the participants may have issue scheduling games during the final days (Nov. 27-29). With the final currently having a solid date of Nov. 30, this leaves no room for extensions.

Is it possible to extend the tournament to accommodate, by moving the Finals back to the first week of December (7-8 would be the first Sat/Sun), and allowing the games in the upper brackets (Top 8, and Top 4) to play during the week of Nov. 30- Dec. 6? This would allow more flexibility with players trying to get games from the Top 32 and Top 16 brackets during the Thanksgiving holiday.

As an American, I am aware of the Thanksgiving holiday and the difficulties that may arise from having a tournament during that week. However, one week should be quite a bit of time to go through games, and often people actually have more free time during the holidays, as long as they aren't traveling. I do plan on having a much greater influence on the scheduling of games for the final bracket to make sure that everyone gets their games played in a reasonable amount of time to progress through all of the rounds. More details will be shared with the finalists when that time comes.

However, an important reason why the tournament was scheduled this way, and the reason why I would schedule myself to cast an event like this on a Saturday when I would like to be spending it with family, is because there are now numerous tournaments scheduled on the weekends after Nov. 30th that I would rather not compete with, and there was a slight bit of urgency to get everything completed before Really0riginal has a change of employment, and ensuing change of availability.

There are additional reasons that could be explained, but the main point of my posting is that I wanted to make sure you knew you weren't being ignored. The time frame was carefully considered, and for a number of reasons, I am really hoping that it works as scheduled with no scheduling issues.

I do appreciate your concern, but as of now, extensions are not being considered unless absolutely necessary based on feedback from the 32 finalists.

theNerdThing
11-12-2013, 08:53 PM
TheNerdThing
Ignatius
Yukiko

MoonSilverNS
11-12-2013, 08:55 PM
MoonSilverNS

Myranda, Ishuma

ZjemCiMusk
11-12-2013, 10:27 PM
MonClamari1410

Adar-Malik , Dhamiria

Krroko
11-12-2013, 10:43 PM
IGN: Kroko.
Cassandra and Nergal

For player 106 - Kroko. - in that message, in Kroko. "." is part of name:D

Sry for logging from other account, i had changed email on my main account, and now can't login on forum with it. I just receive error. I have written to support, but they said, you located in Ukraine, so, wrote to your localizer, but they have no business on this forum(

aetheriality
11-12-2013, 11:15 PM
aetheriality

Garant Cassandra

SpatulaOfDoom
11-12-2013, 11:30 PM
For player 106 - Kroko. - in that message, in Kroko. "." is part of name:D

Sry for logging from other account, i had changed email on my main account, and now can't login on forum with it. I just receive error. I have written to support, but they said, you located in Ukraine, so, wrote to your localizer, but they have no business on this forum(

Thanks, it's been updated.

TheMots
11-13-2013, 06:48 AM
Sounds awesome... I'm in!

Cassandra and Gazal, Herald of the Void!

Thanks!

strmtrpr81
11-13-2013, 06:55 AM
I want in!

Ishuma, Lord of Dragons, Dhamiria, Caller of Madness

Thanks

Strmtrpr81

ooOAlienOoo
11-13-2013, 08:19 AM
Sorry, i cant participate...

i let my place for Karrong.

Karrong
11-13-2013, 09:18 AM
I'm 129 but i'll reg anyway. Maybe someone will not play...

So, Ishuma / Acamas...

Ipwnfour
11-13-2013, 10:00 AM
Just a question or comment rather: Shouldn't you allow players to pick their 2 heroes untill the start of the tournament? Or untill a specific time/date you pick?

Players registering late(r) have a small advantage over those that register early: they could pick counter heroes. Players may also have decided too hasty, or may have changed their minds.

Honk160
11-13-2013, 11:42 AM
I am probably on wainting list, but I will try nevertheless if someone does not show up.

Honk160:
Ignatius + Zardoc

Karrong
11-13-2013, 12:50 PM
Sorry, i cant participate...

i let my place for Karrong.

Thank You so much!

AS_UR
11-13-2013, 02:19 PM
btw my IGN is ASUR-VENUS dont know if u guys want to change it in first post but when u create the pools it would be easier to find me i guess

SpatulaOfDoom
11-13-2013, 04:12 PM
Just a question or comment rather: Shouldn't you allow players to pick their 2 heroes untill the start of the tournament? Or untill a specific time/date you pick?

Players registering late(r) have a small advantage over those that register early: they could pick counter heroes. Players may also have decided too hasty, or may have changed their minds.

Yes, however I'm now constructing brackets... If anyone wants to change their heroes last minute, you have until brackets are posted.

SpatulaOfDoom
11-13-2013, 05:22 PM
I am probably on wainting list, but I will try nevertheless if someone does not show up.

Honk160:
Ignatius + Zardoc

You're in!

bustio
11-13-2013, 08:22 PM
I refused the fall open invitation ingame by accident, could you resend me?

SpatulaOfDoom
11-13-2013, 10:26 PM
Bustio, this probably won't come into play until later, but thanks for the heads up ;)

Niltarash
11-13-2013, 10:34 PM
I refused the fall open invitation ingame by accident, could you resend me?

I may have done the exact same thing :d

deatrick42
11-13-2013, 10:49 PM
Sign me up.

Ishuma
Dhamiria

asaraz
11-13-2013, 11:01 PM
I am in : ingame nick : Asaraz
Cassandra and Shalan

SpatulaOfDoom
11-14-2013, 07:50 PM
Pools are posted and games can begin. Good luck everyone!

SarethITA
11-14-2013, 10:45 PM
SpatualOfDoom u have PM

majin622
11-14-2013, 11:49 PM
i was in the list before but now i wasn't http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/806865-Fall-Open-Tournament-presented-by-R0-and-Tyrion?p=9365065&viewfull=1#post9365065 is this because I refuse to go over 1000 elo?

SpatulaOfDoom
11-15-2013, 12:50 AM
i was in the list before but now i wasn't http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/806865-Fall-Open-Tournament-presented-by-R0-and-Tyrion?p=9365065&viewfull=1#post9365065 is this because I refuse to go over 1000 elo?

Yes, I'm sorry to say it was the only requirement we had. I apologize for any confusion but there was an update to the main post yesterday about information for people below 1k elo. Unfortunately you were not the only player removed. I realize you may win in jackpot and achieve tier 1 despite your elo, but you're exploiting new players for self gain and I don't really care to support that behavior. Sorry Majin, I should have made a post with these thoughts earlier instead of taking you by surprise, it was a decision I was unsure about until yesterday. I do hope that once you've acquired enough gold in the 500 elo bracket, you can join in on future tournaments.

Bond2King
11-15-2013, 03:06 AM
I'm not playing in this for the gold but I'm curious as to why the prize pool is so small. Doesn't Ubisoft usually provide at least 10k gold per player for tournaments like this? I would ask them to up it to 2mil, since you doubled the number of participants. Looking forward to playing either way though.

thorn971
11-15-2013, 04:00 AM
sandalphon + ishuma.

In game name: jino971

deatrick42
11-15-2013, 08:19 AM
People in my group,

Narutoisonfir3, stupidtrader, ascendo,

What time are you guys usually on? Havent seen any of you online yet.

majin622
11-15-2013, 10:12 AM
Yes, I'm sorry to say it was the only requirement we had. I apologize for any confusion but there was an update to the main post yesterday about information for people below 1k elo. Unfortunately you were not the only player removed. I realize you may win in jackpot and achieve tier 1 despite your elo, but you're exploiting new players for self gain and I don't really care to support that behavior. Sorry Majin, I should have made a post with these thoughts earlier instead of taking you by surprise, it was a decision I was unsure about until yesterday. I do hope that once you've acquired enough gold in the 500 elo bracket, you can join in on future tournaments.

it's okay and thanks for the reply

i don't farm anymore and play regular games. i just farm swiss and play jp to test new decks but i just don't want to go above 1000 elo as i don't see any point to it. gl with the tourney

Banehollow89
11-15-2013, 12:31 PM
I am not in the tourney, will there be anything else except from replays? Some VODs or something? Replays are broken for me(Can't see any replay) and I would like to see some matches. :)

Good luck with the tourney.

Revalon
11-15-2013, 12:44 PM
I am not in the tourney, will there be anything else except from replays? Some VODs or something? Replays are broken for me(Can't see any replay) and I would like to see some matches. :)

Good luck with the tourney.



- We will be streaming group play games on Saturday, November 23rd, and we will post the final bracket after the stream

This can be found in the opening post ;)

Banehollow89
11-15-2013, 03:16 PM
This can be found in the opening post ;)

Ok, thank you, haven't read everything. :P

trupiciel
11-15-2013, 05:23 PM
it's okay and thanks for the reply

i don't farm anymore and play regular games. i just farm swiss and play jp to test new decks but i just don't want to go above 1000 elo as i don't see any point to it. gl with the tourney


You are the reason new players turn away from this game. Coward.

SpatulaOfDoom
11-15-2013, 06:13 PM
I am not in the tourney, will there be anything else except from replays? Some VODs or something? Replays are broken for me(Can't see any replay) and I would like to see some matches. :)

Good luck with the tourney.

Unfortunately there is no way to watch any games other than through replays. We will be having some pretty big streaming sessions on the next two upcoming Saturdays (not tomorrow, but the 2 Saturdays after), so you can tune in to see R0 and myself do some commentary on the matches, but otherwise, that's all that will be available to see from the tournament.

SpatulaOfDoom
11-15-2013, 06:46 PM
I'm not playing in this for the gold but I'm curious as to why the prize pool is so small. Doesn't Ubisoft usually provide at least 10k gold per player for tournaments like this? I would ask them to up it to 2mil, since you doubled the number of participants. Looking forward to playing either way though.

Yes, you're correct, the current total was based on only 64 participants and we are entitled to at least the 10k per player prize, however, I was waiting to hear back from Aza on whether or not we would have an even larger prize pool before I updated the total. Stay tuned on this.

deatrick42
11-15-2013, 08:31 PM
You are the reason new players turn away from this game. Coward.

Trupi is the reason I play this game.

SpatulaOfDoom
11-15-2013, 09:35 PM
Trupi is the reason I play this game.

+1

Irgy_
11-16-2013, 12:23 AM
Hi, just a question about replays required for bracket play (on the off chance I make it, though VampFury is in my pool which doesn't bode well). My PC is old and overheats in the middle of games quite regularly, so whenever I don't want to just randomly lose I play on my iPAD. However, I don't know how to find replays from the iPAD. Is it possible? Or will I have to rely on ice packs under my PC?

NumberFifteen
11-16-2013, 02:12 AM
B0nQ and Zmajoubica, we are in one pool.
Could you accept my ingame friend requests so we can play the game.

deatrick42
11-17-2013, 06:21 AM
Narutoisonfir3, stupidtrader

I will be on most of Sunday starting at around 10am PST, 7pm CET.

Havent seen you guys on yet.

ZergRusher
11-17-2013, 02:39 PM
There is a problem with connecting with players since ingame chat doesn't work if you are offline.

I'm running the game with away status almost all the time hoping to connect and that they will state when they will be online again.

MonClamari1410
I cannot send you a msg via this forum's notification because the Ubi doesn't recognize you as a member. Can you send me a msg even via this forum when you are ready to play?

Pegase384
11-17-2013, 03:44 PM
I'm in a pool with :
Lis1ca
DVGU
chuckdeg

ATM, only chuckdeg played against me. DVGU don"t accept 2 times my invitatations and Lis1ca is disconnected.

chuckdeg
11-17-2013, 08:07 PM
I'm in a pool with :
Lis1ca
DVGU
chuckdeg

ATM, only chuckdeg played against me. DVGU don"t accept 2 times my invitatations and Lis1ca is disconnected.

i can confirm both didnt accept mine either. I know we have until friday to play our games but still a pain since we might on different time zones and such so not being to communicate with them really sucks

Ipwnfour
11-18-2013, 10:34 AM
To everyone writing in this thread about contacting their opponents:

For tournaments it is common that you PM them on the (official) forum and try to schedule a match together. Most players even have 'email notification' set on, so they will also receive an email.

This way this thread also is kept clean(er) and less annoying for others.

ZergRusher
11-18-2013, 11:00 AM
To everyone writing in this thread about contacting their opponents:

For tournaments it is common that you PM them on the (official) forum and try to schedule a match together. Most players even have 'email notification' set on, so they will also receive an email.

This way this thread also is kept clean(er) and less annoying for others.

I'd agree but this is what i get when i'm trying to contact MonClamari1410:


The following users were not found:
MonClamari1410,

even though i have him in my friends list in DoC

Ipwnfour
11-18-2013, 11:03 AM
I'd agree but this is what i get when i'm trying to contact MonClamari1410:

,

even though i have him in my friends list in DoC

He probably has a different forum name then. You could check the sign-ups and search for his name. I know this is more trouble, but often it helps. Also, you have done effort to contact him and if he doesn't get to you somehow (coz he's using different names), he will be DQ'd, not you.

Nillicomes
11-18-2013, 07:36 PM
Role the dices... Garant and Shalan

painful_smile
11-19-2013, 02:10 PM
What happens if one players game / laptop / internet crashes while in duell?

We just replayed it now.

Kinetic_42
11-19-2013, 07:03 PM
What happens if one players game / laptop / internet crashes while in duell?

We just replayed it now.

I am by no means an admin for this tournament, but I would assume it would be something like this:

If the disconnecting party appears to be behind, default win for the non-DCing player.
If the match appears to be relatively even -OR- the DCing party is ahead, replay the game.

Because the admins may not be able to respond immediately, save the replay of the DCed game, and if the outcome of the replayed game appears to change the outcome of the match (i.e. the player who DCed ends up winning the match) AND the player who DCed would have lost the match if the game they DCed was actually a default win for the non-DCing player, submit the replay to the Admins for review. There is no guarantee that the admins will rule that the DC game is a default win for the non-DCing party, but this is the only event where the admins might take action.

In all events, play enough games so that if the DC game is eventually chosen to be a default win for the non-DCing party, the admins have enough games to determine the winner of the match. (i.e., play three full games, unless one player wins the first 2 non-DC games).

In all events, remember that the admin decision is final, and try to remember in the end the purpose of this tournament is to have fun.

----

Side note: I cannot find a link to the Admin's Twitch Account. Does anyone have a link to their page?

Sp3llfyre
11-19-2013, 10:35 PM
I'll have a very hard time scheduling these games before Friday I think.... mostly because everyone seems to be from Europe and i haven't seen anyone one after I finish work :( (So roughly from 4 PM MST to 11 PM MST)...

I talked to LordDustkillers and we were supposed to play earlier in the week but I assume that the time difference did not help.. (and Sunday we could not play at all due to the lag).

EDIT: xYTKAx was on randomly while I was out and i missed him... Ill try waking up at around 5 am tomorrow to see if i can catch some of the europe guys on.

Enclase
11-20-2013, 03:23 PM
I've looked now for a few days to catch Maydur or Evil_Nuff...Maydur never on like it seems and Evil_Nuff has still not accepted my request.

-> If you read this, write me an email (theenclase@gmx.de) with a date for our games...

chuckdeg
11-20-2013, 03:32 PM
yeah well DVGU if you read this ...accept the ******* friend request please

deatrick42
11-20-2013, 04:07 PM
I am having the same issues. I have been trying to get in contact with Narutoisonfir3 and stupidtrader all week. No response to PM's and have not seen them online.

SoAmazinglyBad
11-20-2013, 04:12 PM
i already played all ;p

Pjovejas
11-20-2013, 04:15 PM
awww damn, why I missed this thread in time???? :mad:

Kinetic_42
11-20-2013, 04:24 PM
:)) and i have played 3 games of my group stage :) (but i dont think that any other matches in my groupstage were made but maybe im mistaken!), but it doesnt matter cause i won 3 of em :) Hi 32 :)

SAB, you shouldn't mention your results just yet. spoilers! :)

UottEvar
11-20-2013, 05:29 PM
It's 20th of November already, seen only one of opponents in game, for a pity haven't played instantly. And one of remaining two has accepted friend request. If you read this thread, guys(Atuan, Kroko, defunkt), please post the time you are going to be online.

SoAmazinglyBad
11-20-2013, 05:42 PM
they wont show my game ;p it was dhamiria vs ishuma mostly nothing interesting ;p

AmineM2
11-20-2013, 06:56 PM
I cant contact Pwnpoints and tobaccojoe.

Please guys contact me and lets arrange the duels.

VampFury
11-20-2013, 07:00 PM
Just to check something. Tournament games can finish on Friday, or they have to be finished by Thursday night 00:00h?

SpatulaOfDoom
11-20-2013, 11:07 PM
Just to check something. Tournament games can finish on Friday, or they have to be finished by Thursday night 00:00h?

VampFury - All day friday is available to complete games. The deadline will likely be something like 6am PST on SATURDAY morning (West US Time).

As long as all results are in by the time I wake up on Saturday, I'll be happy.

Zomtack
11-20-2013, 11:35 PM
Unrealka Hey, if you come over here and read me, accept my friend request on the game, that the week passes quickly ...

Sp3llfyre
11-21-2013, 02:02 AM
Played my game vs LordDustkillers, xYTKAx was on yesterday but i missed him and Feep123 accepted the friend request but i've never seen him on.

trupiciel
11-23-2013, 04:18 AM
I only played one dude from my group, lost 1:2, never seen other 2. If you lack players I am willing to join next round :P

aristolh
11-23-2013, 11:07 AM
what happen when 3 people in group have 2 win and 1 lose? (3 people got same score, happen in my group)

Syltir
11-23-2013, 11:27 AM
what happen when 3 people in group have 2 win and 1 lose? (3 people got same score, happen in my group)


- Tiebreak order is 1) Head-to-head, 2) Game differential, 3) Games won, 4) Coin Flip

Read the first post ;)

Pegase384
11-23-2013, 11:28 AM
maybe DVGU is remove from the tournament. He didn't accept me until today....

Syltir
11-23-2013, 11:41 AM
maybe DVGU is remove from the tournament. He didn't accept me until today....


The deadline will likely be something like 6am PST on SATURDAY morning (West US Time).

Try to contact him if he accept your friend request. You've still 3 hours to do your match.

Pegase384
11-23-2013, 12:38 PM
he is not connected...

deatrick42
11-23-2013, 05:13 PM
I was unable to contact Stupidtrader or Narutoisonfir3 all week. Added them to friends, was even on during their hours. I also forum messaged them both with no response.

I have to assume they are both forfeits to me. Not sure how else it could be considering they didn't respond or try and contact me at all.

aristolh
11-24-2013, 11:02 AM
any update for this tourney?
Tiebreak order is 1) Head-to-head, 2) Game differential, 3) Games won, 4) Coin Flip
so if theres 3 player in group with same score, 3 of us should fighting each other again?

Kinetic_42
11-24-2013, 06:50 PM
Any news on the last match ups we're waiting for? I'd really like to get Round of 32 games in today if possible...

SpatulaOfDoom
11-25-2013, 06:13 PM
Here is how tiebreaks work in the case of a 3-way tie:

1) Head-to-head will be unable to differentiate the 3 players, so it moves to the next tiebreak.

2) Game differential - the player with the best game differential wins. If two players are tied, eliminate the player with the worst differential and move back to the first tiebreaker.

3) If all players have the same game differential, the player with the most wins will advance. For instance, a player at 5-3 will advance over players at 4-2.

4) If all players are STILL tied, a coin will be flipped for all players involved, and the winner will be the one of the three that flips a different coin face. Luckily this did not happen.


We couldn't post brackets until today since we were missing crucial information on one specific game, but they are now up. Sorry for the delay.

If you have any questions about results or tiebreak results, feel free to send me a PM.

Thanks

SpatulaOfDoom
11-25-2013, 10:00 PM
what happen when 3 people in group have 2 win and 1 lose? (3 people got same score, happen in my group)

In your case, Aristol, Gz.Milky wins the group due to having a game record of 4-2, compared to you and Gustav, both at 4-3.

SoAmazinglyBad
11-25-2013, 10:02 PM
I feel that it is not enough time with all rounds till sunday :) but maybe i will lose to Enclase so It wont be my problem :) (if i am lucky to win all matches r1 r2 r3 i am sure i wont be able to do it until friday maybe thursday :>

Kinetic_42
11-25-2013, 10:23 PM
I feel that it is not enough time with all rounds till sunday :) but maybe i will lose to Enclase so It wont be my problem :) (if i am lucky to win all matches r1 r2 r3 i am sure i wont be able to do it until friday maybe thursday :>

I'm in the same boat SAB, hopefully it will all work out, but I'm going to be limited in my availability due to the holiday!

Irgy_
11-25-2013, 11:26 PM
I also think that given we couldn't get 3 matches done in a week, that getting 5 done in half a week that excludes the weekend is... ambitious at best. I realise that for the most part the people who got through are probably players who actually responded but even still I'd be very surprised if we actually get to stream the finals at the scheduled time. I find it harder personally too because I'm in an unusual timezone (Sydney, GMT+11), but I'll do my best anyway!

aristolh
11-26-2013, 11:52 AM
In your case, Aristol, Gz.Milky wins the group due to having a game record of 4-2, compared to you and Gustav, both at 4-3.

ok ty for the information

SpatulaOfDoom
11-26-2013, 06:03 PM
I also think that given we couldn't get 3 matches done in a week, that getting 5 done in half a week that excludes the weekend is... ambitious at best. I realise that for the most part the people who got through are probably players who actually responded but even still I'd be very surprised if we actually get to stream the finals at the scheduled time. I find it harder personally too because I'm in an unusual timezone (Sydney, GMT+11), but I'll do my best anyway!

I know, it's wishful thinking that it could all be done by Sunday morning.

All we can do is have everyone try their best to be available as often as possible, and think about their tournament match before playing any other games. We will review our progress on Friday and see what can be done... there's a chance that in later rounds, multiple matches can be played in one day. It's just important that the first round games get completed as soon as possible.

Thanks for working with us to make this happen guys, I appreciate your efforts to stick as close to the schedule as possible :)

Pascoalabear
11-26-2013, 08:45 PM
Come on guys and stop being lazy. I already played my match vs my opponent yesterday, its not that hard....

deatrick42
11-26-2013, 11:24 PM
Pegase, have you gotten my forum message? I fear we are in different timezones and just hoping to meet up in game is not going to suffice. Please respond to my forum PM.

Thanks.

Kinetic_42
11-27-2013, 12:50 AM
JUST LET IT BE KNOWN: SarethITA is a cheater. He will NOT be playing the heroes he posted. And this IS allowed.

He is playing with Zardoc and Akane (Academy) and he is trying very hard to keep it a secret. He refuses to edit his post that those are the heroes he is now playing and completely intends to gain every advantage from the surprise. You've been warned. He is a cheater.

Syltir
11-27-2013, 01:09 AM
Details:
- Players will be able to choose two heroes that they will play throughout the ENTIRE tournament
- Players can modify decks between every game, but you must always use one of your two chosen heroes


Sandalphon / Ariana

Kinetic if you are saying the truth just send them the replays of your game and I hope he'll be disqualified for playing other heroes or remake the game.
U'll probably not use the same deck vs sandalphon/Ariana than against Zardoc/Akane. So he had more chance to win his game if he knows what you're playing and you don't, that's unfair.
The better way is to ask your opponent what is he playing before launch the duel.

When could we have the results for Ro32 ?

Kinetic_42
11-27-2013, 01:21 AM
Kinetic if you are saying the truth just send them the replays of your game and I hope he'll be disqualified for playing other heroes or remake the game.
U'll probably not use the same deck vs sandalphon/Ariana than against Zardoc/Akane. So he had more chance to win his game if he knows what you're playing and you don't, that's unfair.
The better way is to ask your opponent what is he playing before launch the duel.

When could we have the results for Ro32 ?

He sent a Twitch messaged to Tyrion privately asking if he could change to those heroes.

I spoke with Tyrion before we played, and changed my decks (as much as I could) before playing as well,

Tyrion allowed him to use the new heroes on the technicality that he 'secretly' changed his heroes.

Frankly, I feel he never officially changed his heroes, and the fact that he didn't edit his post until AFTER he was called out and even claimed that he intentionally hid his heroes proves he is a fraud, a liar, and a cheater.

But that isn't my call to make.

All the same, as you can see he edited his post AFTER I called him out here even. He would have probably kept it secret for as long as possible unless someone calls him on his ********. Everyone has been warned that is the type of person he is.

Irgy_
11-27-2013, 03:46 AM
It's not really "cheating" if the tournament organiser has approved it though is it? I don't think I'd even want something I had approval to do labelled as cheating. I do wonder why it was approved, but I also can't imagine I've been given both sides of this story yet to make a judgement on that.

I agree that if people's heros don't match the post in the forum their opponents need to be informed though. There really ought to be an official list anyway, since forum posts can be editted, and even if there's a record that it has happened, unless you want to disqualify anyone who's editted their post then it can be hard to prove what was there originally. It's a lot of effort to collate, but it would also save everyone time searching through multiple pages to figure it out.

Kinetic_42
11-27-2013, 04:43 AM
It's not really "cheating" if the tournament organiser has approved it though is it? I don't think I'd even want something I had approval to do labelled as cheating. I do wonder why it was approved, but I also can't imagine I've been given both sides of this story yet to make a judgement on that.

I agree that if people's heros don't match the post in the forum their opponents need to be informed though. There really ought to be an official list anyway, since forum posts can be editted, and even if there's a record that it has happened, unless you want to disqualify anyone who's editted their post then it can be hard to prove what was there originally. It's a lot of effort to collate, but it would also save everyone time searching through multiple pages to figure it out.

I stand by my designation.

A player who goes against both the spirit and letter of the rules, secretly changes their heroes, does not officially edit his post or even tell his opponent before the games begin that he is not using the heroes that he chose. Who further intentionally hid these facts in order to receive a competitive advantage and to benefit from the surprise.

Even if you believe that he had the right to change his heroes, he did not do it. He may have sent a message asking if he could, but without editing his post, he never officially changed his heroes.

At this point, he should be DQed. He cheated. He should have been playing with the heroes Sandalphon and Ariana. He didn't officially change them before the deadline.

Irgy_
11-27-2013, 05:58 AM
I stand by my designation.

A player who goes against both the spirit and letter of the rules, secretly changes their heroes, does not officially edit his post or even tell his opponent before the games begin that he is not using the heroes that he chose. Who further intentionally hid these facts in order to receive a competitive advantage and to benefit from the surprise.

Even if you believe that he had the right to change his heroes, he did not do it. He may have sent a message asking if he could, but without editing his post, he never officially changed his heroes.

At this point, he should be DQed. He cheated. He should have been playing with the heroes Sandalphon and Ariana. He didn't officially change them before the deadline.

The story you're telling doesn't make any sense. I can't tell from what you've written when he changed his heros, whether he's using the new ones or the old ones, what's in the post. You haven't given any evidence that any of this was intentional other than your own claim that it was. And as best I can tell you're asking the organisers to disqualify someone for doing something that's already been approved. Do you at least acknowledge that (if my interpretation is correct) them doing so would be extremely inconsistent? "Yes, you can change your heros, but later on we're going to disqualify you for it"?

For all I can tell from what you've written he had some heros, wanted to change them, asked for approval and it was given, forgot to change the post, and then you played him - knowing by then what his actual heros were anyway. Of course all of that could be completely wrong, my point is it's as consistent with your statements as anything else. If you want us to all get up in arms about it or something you at least need to distinguish what he's done from that and other hypothetical reasonable explanations of it.

If you actually want to argue for his disqualification you shouldn't be posting here at all, you should be having a private discussion with the organisers. And if you're not happy with what they're doing start a discussion that makes the situation clear rather than just throwing accusations around and public naming.

I do appreciate it's hard though when you're mad about something and just want to shout about it, I'm not trying to defend him nor bring you down, just trying to clear the situation up and help you get whatever it is you actually want.

SpatulaOfDoom
11-27-2013, 06:49 AM
Kinetic if you are saying the truth just send them the replays of your game and I hope he'll be disqualified for playing other heroes or remake the game.
U'll probably not use the same deck vs sandalphon/Ariana than against Zardoc/Akane. So he had more chance to win his game if he knows what you're playing and you don't, that's unfair.
The better way is to ask your opponent what is he playing before launch the duel.

When could we have the results for Ro32 ?

So, Sareth had sent me an email request to change his heroes prior to the pools even being posted. I decided to allow it since I was fairly certain that one or two other players had already taken the liberty to edit their original posts as well, and I wanted to be fair to everyone, and I figured no harm would be done since it was requested prior to pools even being posted.

However, it was my fault that I did not then go check Sareth's forum post, and instead I just assumed that he had edited it. I take full responsibility for the mistake and I have spoken privately with both players about the situation.

Both players did end up playing the series knowing what heroes their opponents would be using, but Kinetic had spent a good deal of time preparing to face the posted heroes of Sareth, and rightly feels cheated by the inability to prepare for his matchup. I made the decision not to penalize Sareth by disqualification, as was suggested by some other witnesses to the event, but felt as though it was not his fault, but mine.

I do feel that some of Sareth's actions were in poor spirit and exploitative, but I ultimately made the decision to allow the match to be played as intended.

The reasons for my opinion on the matter as such can be viewed in Kinetic's posts.

Kinetic_42
11-27-2013, 01:26 PM
Irgy, here is the timeline of events:

Before pools are posted, Sareth sends an email to Tyrion requesting to change his heroes.

Sareth at no point between his request and when we play our games ever edits his post to change his heroes.

Myself and Sareth load up for game 1. He loads Zardoc, I load Dham. I ask him what hero that is, as up until this time I assumed he was playing Sandal and Ariana and had prepared the last two days for such.

He tells me that, no, he is playing Zardoc. I head over to try and find Tyrion and quit that game.

Sareth at this point claims 1) by quitting that game it should be treated as a loss for me, 2) he was allowed to secretly change his heroes, and 3) it was not against the rules.

Ultimately, Tyrion allows him to continue playing with Zardoc and Akane.

We play out the match, he wins both games with Zardoc.

I then post that I believe he is a cheater, and that he is manipulating the rules.

He then edits his post to change his heroes to Zardoc and Akane from Sandal and Ariana
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That's the gist. Before we played the games that mattered I knew that he had requested to change his heroes before the pools were posted, but it is my contention that his OFFICIAL heroes were the ones in the thread. Any request to change them does not matter unless he ACTUALLY changes them in the thread. Secretly changing them does not count. Tyrion has made the decision he has, and I'm not blaming him at all. It is not Tyrion's responsibility to keep Sareth from cheating. Sareth never changed his heroes in the thread before pools started. Thus, in my opinion he should be forced to play with Sandal and Ariana. The fact that he is trying to enforce his secretly changing of his heroes and INTENTIONALLY kept his heroes secret in order to gain this unfair competitive advantage is why I believe he is a cheater.

That is the important part. He KNEW he should have changed his heroes in his post and INTENTIONALLY did not do so in order to keep it secret as long as possible.

That is why I believe he should be DQed.

And that is irrespective of what the result with me is. Frankly, I'm going out of town (leaving now) for thanksgiving and may not even be able to play any games while out of town. If I don't advance either I'm fine with that. But Sareth should be DQed for his conduct. Period. And thats the last thing I have to say on that matter.

Edit: Added things to the timeline.

Dipl0mate
11-27-2013, 01:45 PM
While I agree that Sareth's behavior is unfair, the main issue is that there are no "official" document with the list of all players heroes. Well this thread may have been but since its a "writable" document, it does not look official at all. Since Tyrion acknowledged it, I dont think it would be fair to do anything against Sareth. Best you can do is hope he gets crushed next turn.

Also the fault does not belong to Tyrion only, we all should have asked for the list with players AND their heroes. I guess we did not expect players like Sareth but rules are rules.

SarethITA
11-27-2013, 01:56 PM
I admit I misread the question of the exchange of heroes, but was never expressly specified that the post had to be modified by inserting the new heroes, then I wrongly thought that the heroes go kept secret, but this topic has already been clarified. To be as clean as possible I note that in all the matches I've played in the pool, the opponent has always known heroes I had before the match, so my wins are all polite, players can confirm it. After the clarification, Kinetic himself knew my heroes before matches, and i also gave him the opportunity to postpone the match as he liked, he had all the time to change and test the deck he wanted, so i don't see really his point of view.

I avoid posting chat mmdocking in which kinetic heavily insults and offends me, but already that behavior can be understood the lack of sportivity accepting a loss.

Dipl0mate
11-27-2013, 02:03 PM
I admit I misread the question of the exchange of heroes, but was never expressly specified that the post had to be modified by inserting the new heroes, then I wrongly thought that the heroes go kept secret

Heroes are secret but people tell them on this thread ? please...

jkk89
11-27-2013, 02:13 PM
then I wrongly thought that the heroes go kept secret
I don't want to cut in the middle, but:
Please, tell me, why on earth, You thought, Your heroes can be kept in secret, while everyone else was obligated to post his choice? Why You should be privileged?

SarethITA
11-27-2013, 02:18 PM
Heroes are secret but people tell them on this thread ? please...

I have already explained my point of view, I thought that you do not had to edit the post, that is obviously an advantage, i do not deny it, so I thought that nearly all the player had changed the heroes. But the point is I never benefited from that advantage cuz I told my heroes before the match, and all players i face had all the time they want to change their decks and test them.

Dipl0mate
11-27-2013, 02:26 PM
I told my heroes before the match, and all players i face had all the time they want to change their decks and test them.

Given what Kinetic said, you did not tell him about your heroes. Even more, you asked for a free win after his first leave. By the way I dont deny your wins, you can read in my previous post that I think you should advance. But for sure you did exploit a fail in the organisation. This fail belongs to organizers and players who dont emphasize it, so I think you should advance, but you did exploit. You are no cheater but definitely some kind of abuser.

Kinetic_42
11-27-2013, 03:04 PM
I would like to point out that an hour to prepare is not the same. Everyone is already under heavy time constraints due to the late start, the holiday, and time differences. If we didn't play last night than the earliest I could have definitely scheduled a make up would have been Friday. The primary difference between this type of tournament and a jackpot tournament is the time you have to prepare. I'm admittedly not a great player yet, but I pride myself on my research and preparation skills. Those were robbed from me.

And feel free to post whatever you like Sareth. I stand by my statements and don't care that a cheater like yourself feels offended by my calling it how it is.

Kinetic_42
11-27-2013, 03:45 PM
And sareth's arguments don't even make sense. He says he thought that heroes should be kept secret and at the same time claim he told his opponents before hand and then have them time to prepare? ********. He was completely ok with riding this as long as no one called him on it.

And Diplo: your logic is flawed. This is the document with the heroes on it. Whether or not it is write able doesn't change that. It may create an issue if someone changed their heroes now, but that isn't the issue. The issue is he had ample time to play fair and didn't. The organizers may have some blame but it is squarely sareths responsibility here. The rules say quite clearly once you post your heroes you can't change them. Even if he was then allowed to, at no point was he ever implicitly or explicitly allowed to do so secretly. He is being disingenuous claiming otherwise and that what he did was not cheating the system, and cheating me.

The fact remains, he cheated and should be DQed. He even admits he did so intentionally.

Dipl0mate
11-27-2013, 04:30 PM
My logic has nothing to do with that. It is all about the rules. He was said he could change his heroes : the rules are okay with that since Tyrion told him he could (also Tyrion said in this thread we could change before the pool are constructed). Then he did not tell you what "new" heroes he had (and didnt updated his heroes on this thread). Here the rules are lacking something because it is not said that this thread testify anything. It is just said "Players will choose 2 heroes they will play for the entire tournament". Since the rules are not clear about what should happen in this case, rulers (or organizers) are the only one who can decide what happends. In my opinion, since the problem comes from how the rules were defined, it would be unprofessional to make someone else pay for it. Even if he deserves. It is not about who deserves what, it is about following rules, and tournament have to follow rules. I am sorry for you if you feel like the victim of this (and for the most part, you are). But it is not justice, its tournament organisation.

Kinetic_42
11-27-2013, 05:02 PM
- Reply to this forum post with the names of the two heroes you will be using for the entire tournament

That's what the rules say. Even if he was then allowed to change his heroes, by the rules he had to reply to the post with the heroes he would be using. Failing to do so means he can't use a hero that was not posted.

Dipl0mate
11-27-2013, 05:43 PM
This is where im saying its not precise enough. This is not a rule, it is an how to register. Rules are given in the "details" section. Also the post value is not emphasize in any way. Even more, how an editable post could be of any value in a tournament ? The document giving Players Names and their heroes is missing.

Kinetic_42
11-27-2013, 06:09 PM
The 'rule' that you can't change your hero is also in the register section. Are you claiming that isn't a rule? All you're doing is giving him room to say "well we didn't write a specific rule that says you can't cheat, so you can do it". There is no rule that explicitly states I'm not allowed to use a program to hack the game to gain an unfair advantage, but surely we can agree that would also be cheating.

There is also absolutely no rules saying you can keep your heroes secret and every indication the rules intended to heroes to be publicly posted. His trying to get around that is clearly cheating. He even admitted that was his intent. You can't possibly believe he actually thought everyone else was keeping their hero secret too.

And your point that the fact that the posts can be edited makes the document unreliable for the purpose of claiming your hero for two reasons. First, the issue here isn't that he edited too late, it's that he never edited or posted new heroes AT ALL. Second, editing leaves a time stamp. If he left a time stamp that was before the pools were up we could clearly see when he changed his heroes. But again, that isn't the issue.

There is nothing about the posts being editable that has bearing on this exact issue. Sure, there might be other issues, but the issue here is that he intentionally obscured his hero choices in order to gain an unfair advantage, and had every intention of exploiting that advantage. That is cheating. Should I get the definition in here?

Uraxor
11-27-2013, 08:25 PM
That is cheating. Should I get the definition in here?

Please, do!

Kinetic_42
11-27-2013, 08:29 PM
From Wikipedia: "Cheating refers to an immoral way of achieving a goal. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain unfair advantage in a competitive situation. Cheating is the getting of reward for ability by dishonest means. This broad definition will necessarily include acts of bribery, cronyism, ******, nepotism and any situation where individuals are given preference using inappropriate criteria. The rules infringed may be explicit, or they may be from an unwritten code of conduct based on morality, ethics or custom, making the identification of cheating a subjective process."

From Google:
"cheat
CHēt/Submit
verb gerund or present participle: cheating
1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards""

Exploiting the rules and acting dishonestly in order to gain an unfair advantage. That's cheating. Exploiting, Abusing, both words that Dipl0 used, are just other words for cheating.

Sareth cheated.

Kinetic_42
11-27-2013, 08:32 PM
The ONLY defense to what he did is if he truly, HONESTLY, believed that every other player secretly changed their hero choices and hid them until the game started and did not tell their opponents at any time this occurred.

By his own admission that isn't the case.

Syltir
11-27-2013, 09:26 PM
22 replies to this case is not enough ?
Maybe you should now solve it in private. If you spoke with Tyrion and Sareth I guess you don't have to flood here anymore...

should we wait until all games for Ro32 have been played before the results, to know who's our opponent for next round ?
Or the final bracket will be updated before ?

deatrick42
11-27-2013, 10:17 PM
Sareth did not cheat if it was allowed by the TO. It is the TO's decision and the decision has been made.

To be honest kinetic, I feel for you. I feel like you got cheated. Initially, I sided with you and I thought Sareth was being a jerk.

But now, lets be honest. You screamed this in chat all day and made me not to even want to be in MMDOC chat. Now, you brought it to the forums.

At list point, I think we've all had enough. You got cheated. That doesn't mean you need to be a baby about it and create drama.

Please just get over it. You have said your piece. Please stop filling this forum and every other medium you can get your hands on with this vitriolic crap.

We are sick of it. Grow up.

SpatulaOfDoom
11-27-2013, 10:23 PM
22 replies to this case is not enough ?
Maybe you should now solve it in private. If you spoke with Tyrion and Sareth I guess you don't have to flood here anymore...

should we wait until all games for Ro32 have been played before the results, to know who's our opponent for next round ?
Or the final bracket will be updated before ?

Syltir check your forum messages. You will have an updated bracket for players only.

deatrick42
11-27-2013, 10:27 PM
Syltir check your forum messages. You will have an updated bracket for players only.

Can I have one too?

SpatulaOfDoom
11-27-2013, 10:28 PM
To everyone else, RO and I will be reviewing the length of time it takes people to play this first round match, and deciding on a proper extension from there.

We realize it's complicated for a handful of players to be available during the Thanksgiving holiday this week in the US, but do your best to play your games as soon as possible. A few players are still not being responsive to their opponents, which is a bit disappointing, but make every effort you can to contact them and I'll do my best to help with this as well.

We will make a decision sometime before Saturday about a possible extension, but until any announcement is made, the deadline is still currently this upcoming Sunday, December 1st, at 10am EST.

Kinetic_42
11-28-2013, 12:43 AM
I'm done. But the fact of the matter is that the only one being punished for this is me. And that's ********. He should be DQed. I don't understand the mind set where you can agree that he exploited the rules, intentionally, and that I got cheated, but that he should be allowed to get exactly everything he wants.

Please. This is why people cheat. Because no one ****ing stands up and says it won't be tolerated. And they get away with it.

Yes, I'm loud. Yes I'm pissed off. And I have every god damned right to be.

trupiciel
11-28-2013, 08:31 AM
Don't trust players who put their country abreviations into nicknames - first rule of the internet. :cool:

Irgy_
12-10-2013, 11:18 PM
So, was the finals played? Who won?

Durendal100
12-11-2013, 07:12 PM
Irgy_ http://challonge.com/fallopen

Thank you Tyrion and RO for tournament, so much fun for me :)

Would be so much better to make such score with Jezziel & Siham :D Maybe next time! :P

Thanks all the participants aswell, gl next time! :)

LQDBrunt
12-11-2013, 09:54 PM
Gratz to both finalists, especially mighty Durendal for wining. Hope you used that Ariana in the finals :) Cant wait to see it!

Big thanks to Tyrion and ReallyOriginal for organizing this thing!

Dipl0mate
12-12-2013, 11:57 AM
GG =)

Impressive run Durendal, I know every name on your path =)

Milky97
12-12-2013, 12:15 PM
Gratz Durendal, and gg to everyone i played :)

VampFury
12-13-2013, 02:36 PM
GG Durendal, gg Irgy_, gg all :) Thank you Tyrion and R0 for organisation ;)