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Biloxi72
06-07-2004, 11:32 AM
S!
in taking on zeros and early model german planes, which of these are the best dogfighter? I have heard that both are good turners and have decent speeds, but how do they climb? What tactics do you use to combat 109s and zeros in both of these planes.
Thanks
RufShod

"It was a marveleous aircraft! It was the best aircraft I flew in the war by far. I never flew the P-51, its been one of my life regrets, but I flew just about everything else there was. I liked the P-38s rate of climb, its speed, the way it handled, and its firepower directly out the nose. The P-38 would turn with almost anything, in fact it would out turn the P-47, out climb it, and out maneuver it. The P-38 was one of the great aircraft of WWII."...Charles MacDonald, P-38 Ace

Biloxi72
06-07-2004, 11:32 AM
S!
in taking on zeros and early model german planes, which of these are the best dogfighter? I have heard that both are good turners and have decent speeds, but how do they climb? What tactics do you use to combat 109s and zeros in both of these planes.
Thanks
RufShod

"It was a marveleous aircraft! It was the best aircraft I flew in the war by far. I never flew the P-51, its been one of my life regrets, but I flew just about everything else there was. I liked the P-38s rate of climb, its speed, the way it handled, and its firepower directly out the nose. The P-38 would turn with almost anything, in fact it would out turn the P-47, out climb it, and out maneuver it. The P-38 was one of the great aircraft of WWII."...Charles MacDonald, P-38 Ace

Dawg-of-death
06-07-2004, 11:36 AM
I like the 40. Low level turnig is better. 39 is probly faster. Why do you think the US leased all the 39s to Russia? LOL

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Venom079
06-07-2004, 11:39 AM
The warhawk has my vote...if flown properly of coursehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
P-40 all the way

carguy_
06-07-2004, 11:41 AM
P40 is a crappy plane but P39 is to be feared because of it`s low energy loss in high speed maneuvers and heavy armament.It`s inferior to Spits and P63 though.

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LeadSpitter_
06-07-2004, 11:42 AM
I prefer the p40, but the p39 is so much better, it turns tighter then the p40, climbs faster, dives faster, faster in level flight, it takes a hell of alot more damage then the p40 and it has cannon.

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PBNA-Boosher
06-07-2004, 11:43 AM
I vote the P-40, because of the structural strength, and the firepower of the early version's 4 .30's and 2 .50's, or the later versions 6 .50's. Sure, the P-39 might have a 37mm cannon, but the 37mm is basically like throwing watermelons around and hoping it hits something. It's a grapefruit shot cannon.

So yeah, I'd rather have a P-40.

geetarman
06-07-2004, 12:07 PM
From my experience, the P-40 is the US plane to use in low alt furballs. It gives you the best chance to kill, and get yourself home.

Keep in mind, although good, you're gonna have to work hard against the well-turning zero and 109F's and early G's though.

Actually, the 40 is great against later 109's and 190's. You can clearly out turn them and get on their six. I've met a lot of OL pilots who fly these planes and go after the 40 as a quick kill. Down low, a good 40 pilot can handle them well. Just don't go high.

F19_Ob
06-07-2004, 12:09 PM
Both the p40 and p39 can outrun the zero, but both should be flown in a BnZ manner. If U like to turn the p40 is your mount. It cant outturn the zero but it can turn with it for a while ( almost like the 109 can turn with a spit a while ). When I have ended up slow in a p40 against a zero I have often escaped by diving and speeding away. U'll might get a hit or two but u soon loose him behind.

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Biloxi72
06-07-2004, 12:14 PM
S!
thanks for the great comments so far.What are some things i have to know when flying the P40? Does it have certain quirks or like a certain altitude? What is the best throttle and prop pitch settings to get the most out of this plane? Thanks for the help, just never flown the allied planes before and looking any help.

"It was a marveleous aircraft! It was the best aircraft I flew in the war by far. I never flew the P-51, its been one of my life regrets, but I flew just about everything else there was. I liked the P-38s rate of climb, its speed, the way it handled, and its firepower directly out the nose. The P-38 would turn with almost anything, in fact it would out turn the P-47, out climb it, and out maneuver it. The P-38 was one of the great aircraft of WWII."...Charles MacDonald, P-38 Ace

MEGILE
06-07-2004, 12:15 PM
P-39-N1 for me please http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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BpGemini
06-07-2004, 12:18 PM
It's tough for the P-39 to beat a well flown A6M5.

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Heavy_Weather
06-07-2004, 12:21 PM
P-39 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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F19_Ob
06-07-2004, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RufShod:
S!
thanks for the great comments so far.What are some things i have to know when flying the P40? Does it have certain quirks or like a certain altitude? What is the best throttle and prop pitch settings to get the most out of this plane? Thanks for the help, just never flown the allied planes before and looking any help.

"It was a marveleous aircraft! It was the best aircraft I flew in the war by far. I never flew the P-51, its been one of my life regrets, but I flew just about everything else there was. I liked the P-38s rate of climb, its speed, the way it handled, and its firepower directly out the nose. The P-38 would turn with almost anything, in fact it would out turn the P-47, out climb it, and out maneuver it. The P-38 was one of the great aircraft of WWII."...Charles MacDonald, P-38 Ace <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The only bad thing to be aware of in the p40 is to be careful with hard rudder+elevator input at slow speeds. If u have to turn sharply at slow speeds, use the elevator only, or u'll spinn. If u start spinning below 2000m I advise to jump since it takes a while to get out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif The good thin is that it will take some beating as they claimed it did in RL.
(Like having big holes in the wing and still be able to fight).

About proppitch: I think the combatsettings and allowed rpm's can be found in the manual on the disk.

Have fun!!

LilHorse
06-07-2004, 12:34 PM
I wouldn't dogfight a Zero in anything unless it's an I-16 or an I-153. Especially online. I'm not sure I'd even dogfight a 109 in a P-40. Maybe a P-39. But I fly 109s mostly and get shot down by all kinds of planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif So what do I know.

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-07-2004, 12:42 PM
Against the A6M's, I like the P-40 but you still have to fly it right. If I'm competing against any 109 and have to choose between these 2 birds, I'll take the P-39 every time. It's scissor and zoom-climb abilities make it a definite force.

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F19_Ob
06-07-2004, 12:46 PM
If u want some more info on how the p40 was to fly?? U'll want to take a look at this: (oldies but goldies)
http://www.airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part2.htm

All golodnikov articles from the beginning:
http://www.airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part1.htm

and why not this:
http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/index.htm

And try to enjoy yourself!

Hunde_3.JG51
06-07-2004, 12:52 PM
Having flown against both many times I would say that I definitely fear the P-39 more. The main reason is that it seems to hold energy extremely well and I believe it out-turns (or turns as well as) and out-climbs the P-40. The P-39 seems a little tougher and it has one shot killing power. So if I had to pick it would be the P-39.

Still, both planes are very effective if flown properly and the differences between the planes are minor enough to where it will be strictly a matter of pilot ability that determines success.

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Indianer.
06-08-2004, 12:41 AM
P40 all the way. Shoot down a 109 and just listen out for the luftwhiners when they start crying.

Feels good.

Oh yeah, if you get a zero on ur 6 just outrun it.

You need lots of height and lots of speed and try not to burn off those E's. Follow that and u'll do ok.

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CaptainGelo
06-08-2004, 01:54 AM
p39.....was even able to fight K4 and LA's in it be4 we got p63 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Red_Storm
06-08-2004, 04:43 AM
P-39 is able to outfly most anything of its year and beyond, so I say go for that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Franzen
06-08-2004, 05:37 AM
Well, if I'm gonna get shot down it might as well be in a pretty plane. The P-40 is the way to go. The P-39 is just too darned ugly. Besides, for my style the P-40 handles better. I imagine it would have been a heck of a plane with another 500hp. I also don't like cannons(muzzle flash, unaccurate, rattles my fillings lose). I'm more of a sniper, I like to shoot from arounfd 700m. I guess it's a matter of preference, but I still like pretty planes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Cippacometa
06-08-2004, 08:07 AM
I like the P-40. I think is the best looking aircraft EVER built, and it is strong enough in terms of both armor and weapons.
I agree it is slow and doesn't climb well, but it is more maneuvrable than the P-39, expecially at slow speeds.
I find that both have quite difficult recovery from spin and can stall easily if are not flewn in the good way.

GreyBeast
06-08-2004, 08:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
...it might as well be in a pretty plane. The P-40 is the way to go. The P-39 is just too darned ugly...
Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fritz,

you ain´t got no style, bro...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif
pretty-wise, the P-39 is the ride to go for...

DONB3397
06-08-2004, 10:04 AM
The flight model for the P-39 in FB sim is better than the P-40 FM. And it has better firepower.

But I never read an account by a pilot who flew both a/c...who liked the P-39 better. The balance was wrong, they said. Strange flight characteristics. Easy to stall and hard to recover. Members of the 354th FG (including Yeager and Anderson) considered the P-39 a hard plane to fly in aerobatics. Several were lost in training. The merlin-engined Mustangs, which this group received first (they never flew P-40s), was far better, Anderson said.

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BpGemini
06-08-2004, 10:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
The P-39 is just too darned ugly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You're http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif


The P-39 is one of the few planes that is slender and sleek, more resembling of a women. The 109s and 190s are squared and stocky more resembling a man or a burly woman named Helga.

I'd rather dance with the women.

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Doug_Thompson
06-09-2004, 10:49 PM
The P-39 swings badly from side to side while I'm aiming. I'm not sure, but it seems like it reacts badly to prop-wash from another plane because it seems worse when I'm directly behind a multi-engined target. What am I doing wrong?

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Obviously, I'm not the guy to ask, but I love the P-39's firepower. A lack of punch is my big complaint about the early planes.

One thing I really like about the cannon is that its rate of fire is so slow. I know that sounds weird, but you can squeeze off one round, see if it lands, then correct and squeeze off another. When it hits, you don't need another round. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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Dammerung
06-09-2004, 11:42 PM
I just did a single mission in the P40. I shot down 5 Zeros and bombed two more on the runway. The great thing about fighting the Zero is you can outrun it easily. Dive, and it cant follow you, then you have good Airspeed, and can disengage. I find on the P-39 that the Cannon is more cumbersome than anything. It's only useful for me at Dead Six, and it takes 2-3 shots to blow most Fighter tails off.

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Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
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Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...

nicli
06-10-2004, 04:53 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DONB3397:
The flight model for the P-39 in FB sim is better than the P-40 FM. And it has better firepower.

But I never read an account by a pilot who flew both a/c...who liked the P-39 better. The balance was wrong, they said. Strange flight characteristics. Easy to stall and hard to recover. Members of the 354th FG (including Yeager and Anderson) considered the P-39 a hard plane to fly in aerobatics. Several were lost in training. The merlin-engined Mustangs, which this group received first (they never flew P-40s), was far better, Anderson said.


I don't know whether the pilots liked it or not but when US pilots compared the various available US fighters (including the P-51A) against a captured A6M2 Zero in 1943 (though I'm not sure about this date), according to former Grumman test pilot Corwin Meyer, the P-39D was the best of them at low level (under 10000 feet) except for the Corsair.

However, it's worth noting that the comparison was only about pure performance, and, AFAIK, didn't include turning ability or ease of use of the planes and their systems.

Also interesting, the soviets, though I don't know if the test pilots were the same, considered the P-39 a great airplane (low-level speed, armament, range (compared to russian fighters) while they had a much lower opinion about the P-40 (considered vulnerable, unreliable, and, generally inferior to the 109), the P-47 (far too heavy), and the P-38 (I think they received a few P-51s but I don't know the results of the tests).

But these difference of opinion may be explained by the different use they made of the same airplane...

nicli
06-10-2004, 04:58 AM
"<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
The P-39 is just too darned ugly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You're http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif


The P-39 is one of the few planes that is slender and sleek, more resembling of a women. The 109s and 190s are squared and stocky more resembling a man or a burly woman named Helga.

I'd rather dance with the women."


Agree, except for the 109 which is also a nice looking plane (except the E ang G6 types).

Doug_Thompson
06-10-2004, 10:29 AM
A lot of the comments here reflect what WWII P-40 pilots said.

Some pilots really loved the P-40 because you had the speed, compared to the Zero, to catch them if you wanted to fight and the speed and diving power to leave if you didn't.

They also said a P-40 at high speed had a better turn than the Zero, but at high speed only. Turning bleeds speed, however, so the advantage never lasted long. It should be used wisely.

The Zero was so nimble, in part, because it was so light. Therefore, it couldn't dive worth a darn. The P-40 could always get away if it had height.

The P-40 had plenty of firepower, especially for lightly built Japanese planes, but not a whole lot of ammo.

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The biggest problem with the P-39 was the tendency to spin. Pilots don't like planes that kill the users. We like the P-39 in the sim world because we don't run the risk.

In the real world, it had other problems. The Army loaded it with too much junk, except for the things it needed -- a supercharger and more fuel.

The P-39 was no good at high altitude. It started panting for air at a relatively low level. P-39s in Port Moresby were told to fly out over the sea during an air raid so they wouldn't get bombed on the ground. There was no use trying to climb to engage the Japanese, who were higher and would dive on you. Imagine the embarrasment and frustration.

Things were different on the Russian Front. They were used at low level, so the lack of supercharger wasn't that much of a problem. They're range was no worse than the Bf 109's, for instance. They had a lot of firepower.

The P-39 deserves the reputation is has. It was a lousy plane in most situations. However, it found a good niche on the East Front.

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Indianer.
06-10-2004, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
The P-39 is just too darned ugly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You're http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif


The P-39 is one of the few planes that is slender and sleek, more resembling of a women. The 109s and 190s are squared and stocky more resembling a man or a burly woman named Helga.

I'd rather dance with the women.

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I'd rather climb inside a woman too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Doug_Thompson
06-10-2004, 01:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dammerung:
I find on the P-39 that the Cannon is more cumbersome than anything. It's only useful for me at Dead Six, and it takes 2-3 shots to blow most Fighter tails off.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's great for snapshots, those fleeting shots you get when a plane cuts across your front and has to fly through your line of fire for just a second. Those shots usually aren't lethal. They can be with a P-39.

When a wingman of mine's in trouble and a snapshot is the best I can do on the guy chasing him, I'll throw out a stream of bullets from the P-39's MGs and line up for one good cannon shot. If you time it just right, and it is tricky, you get to turn a Bf 109 into a fireball.

Otherwise, the 37mm is mostly for bombers. They'll be overkill in Pacific Fighters. Hitting a Zero with one of those is like using a hammer to kill a mosquito. Six .50-cals is more than enough for most Japanese bombers, too.

My biggest complaint about the P-39, as mentioned before, is that it's not the steadiest gun platform. That's horrible since firepower is it's only outstanding feature.

For some reason, the plane seems more steady while "leaning" to one side. I dip one or the other wingtip down when I'm lining up for a shot from the six -- or if I'm in a "chicken" fight, head to head and firing while waiting for the other guy to veer off. The cannon tends to win those.

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[This message was edited by Doug_Thompson on Thu June 10 2004 at 12:37 PM.]

Franzen
06-11-2004, 09:57 AM
Hi Indianer, he he he, never thought of comparing a woman to the shape of a WW2 fighter and I think you may just be the first. I've been looking at my models and from all angles, there nothing that resembles a woman.

I did take a closer look at the P-39. You may be on to something, but the sleak and slender lines reminded me more of a fish. I don't like fish but I guess some people have their attractions. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif You won't be offended if we never double-date I hope. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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horseback
06-11-2004, 11:47 AM
The Russian preference for the 'Cobra may be traced to its greater conformance to their ideas about how a fighter should look and be armed- it was of a size with the LaGG and YaK, and it had nose mounted guns. BUT it was also a damned good performer below 4000m.

Pokryshin's assignment to it may have been the deal maker for it, because he realized that he could exploit its strengths, and taught his comrades to do so as well, resulting in significant success and enthusiasm for the type. A great deal of effort went into making it even more effective, TsAGI working hand in hand with Bell engineers to this end.

The P-40 was an enormous beast by comparison, and it had all its guns in the wings after the Tomahawk (P-40C and earlier) versions. It was slightly less of a performer maneuverability, worse in the climb, but better in the dive. It just didn't 'click' with the Soviet Air Forces.

The FMs for both a/c reflect the Soviet experience with both types. The P-39 will seem just that little bit better and more responsive, IMO, and the P-40 just that little bit worse than they probably were.

cheers

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FI-Aflak
06-11-2004, 12:20 PM
P-40 is sexier. I really don't like the P-39 much. P-38 is better than both if flown right. P-63 is better than the lightning. P-51 is better than the kingcobra. And the Jug reigns supreme.

But the Warhawk is a totally great airplane. Wicked 50 cals. Takes a freaking beating. when fighting zeroes use energy tactics and they can't do anything to you.

Malik_VII
06-11-2004, 03:41 PM
Well put Gemini!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
The P-39 is just too darned ugly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You're http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif


The P-39 is one of the few planes that is slender and sleek, more resembling of a women. The 109s and 190s are squared and stocky more resembling a man or a burly woman named Helga.

I'd rather dance with the women.

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mortoma
06-11-2004, 10:17 PM
The P-40 kills Ace AI I-185s better than the P-39 does and much easier. That says something right there. Take on an ace I-185 with both planes and try and tell me the P-39 is better against hot and highly uber planes, I won't believe you if you say
the P-39 is better. The plane that kills uber planes better is the best choice. The Warhawk!!
P.S.- Don't try and fly P-40 or P-39 against human I-185 pilots, you will die............I'm only talking AI here.

mortoma
06-11-2004, 10:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
The Russian preference for the 'Cobra may be traced to its greater conformance to their ideas about how a fighter should look and be armed- it was of a size with the LaGG and YaK, and it had nose mounted guns. BUT it was also a damned good performer below 4000m.

Pokryshin's assignment to it may have been the deal maker for it, because he realized that he could exploit its strengths, and taught his comrades to do so as well, resulting in significant success and enthusiasm for the type. A great deal of effort went into making it even more effective, TsAGI working hand in hand with Bell engineers to this end.

The P-40 was an enormous beast by comparison, and it had all its guns in the wings after the Tomahawk (P-40C and earlier) versions. It was slightly less of a performer maneuverability, worse in the climb, but better in the dive. It just didn't 'click' with the Soviet Air Forces.

The FMs for both a/c reflect the Soviet experience with both types. The P-39 will seem just that little bit better and more responsive, IMO, and the P-40 just that little bit worse than they probably were.

cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That may be true in real life but in the game everything is different. The P-40 seems
better overall, despite being slower, than the P-39. Real life is real ife, the game is the game.