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Bluedog72
07-16-2004, 05:10 PM
Just wondering...will NG be a part of one of the maps? what about Australia on the Coral Sea map...will north Queensland be included?.....I take it there WILL be a Coral Sea map?

Bluedog72
07-16-2004, 05:10 PM
Just wondering...will NG be a part of one of the maps? what about Australia on the Coral Sea map...will north Queensland be included?.....I take it there WILL be a Coral Sea map?

heywooood
07-16-2004, 06:51 PM
it stands to reason that there will be a map of the Coral Sea area.



http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/ac_32_1.jpg
"Check your guns"

RAAFVirtSqn
07-17-2004, 12:14 AM
I would not be able to understand if AEP did not include at least some airfields from top end of Australia e.g. Cairns, Mareeba, Bowen up to Darwin or at least Horn Island and then of course - Papua New Guinea - Port Moresby to Rabaul and sourrunding area maps.

How could it not be given that the battle of Coral Sea was aimed at the Defence of Australia and over 2 years of the Pacific war theater had most of the battle fought in and around Papua, Guinea and Rabual. Anyone who has some sense of geography and WW2 Pacific theater history would understand the Coral Sea extend from the coast of North Queensland in Australia to Solomons and surrounding areas.


It needs to be empahsised that there are a lot of Aussies in the IL2/AEP flight sim community - and I would suggest it not be sound business practice for UBI Soft/Luthier and AEP to ignore Aussie flight sim community in favour of customers from other countries.

So Aussies show your support by making similar requests. If you never ask and are not persistant you wont get what you really want. Here is an opportunity.

Oooaahh
07-17-2004, 07:07 PM
I agree we should expect to see some areas of Australia included. Darwin is an obvious choice to me.

Any chance the developers would give us some idea of where we might be flying?

RAAFVirtSqn
07-17-2004, 07:12 PM
Calling all Aussies - petition UBISoft - to support inclusion of New Guinea maps e.g. Port Moresby, Buna, Lae, Milne Bay, and at least a couple of Aussie airfields in North Queensland and ACT, Horn Island etc.

See posts at RAAF Virt Sqn
http://www.raafsquad.com/msgbrd/viewtopic.php?p=1128#1128

Inclusion of the types of planes flown by the RAAF but not currently listed for inclusion in PF would be a bonus as well e.g. PBY, Hudson,Vultee Vengance, Beaufighter,Boomerang, Avro Anson, Wirraway etc to name several.

Why? Because if you dont you may not get it.

We make up a large number of the IL2/FB/AEP online gaming community even in global terms.
Thus a solid present and ongoing customer.

IL2/AEP/FB/PF - is not small fry to UBISoft
this can be readily seen via message board stats across UBiSoft Products. see link
http://www.ubi.com/US/Community/Default.htm

E.g.
Subject Posts
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Myst Forums - Myst, Riven, Exile - MYST Hangout 41216

If you do not ask for what you really want - you wont get it!

RAAF_Furball
07-18-2004, 07:27 AM
As the CO of a Squadron of 70+ members that have been meeting and flying online for 3 years, I can assure that it's not just Aussies who want to fly the South Pacific / New Guinea / Australian region.

There is great support from our American allies - and many others !

Has a list of the bases, regions and aircraft that will be in PF been released yet?

_RAAF_Furball, CO

click below for _RAAF_ website

http://members.optusnet.com.au/raafgames/crest.jpg (http://www.raafsquad.com)

click below for Fur's website

http://members.optusnet.com.au/nfurball/Images/plane_md_wht.gif (http://www.fur.cjb.net)

Farkitt_
07-23-2004, 07:59 PM
Wouldn't have it any other way. I think we can trust the Producers to do this, Especailly since they included the Russo Finnish War and stuff like that in the Original.

http://www.jacksonharrison.co.uk/BoB2/Battle_personnel/Profiles/RAF/images/lacey.jpg

Destraex
07-23-2004, 11:48 PM
Certainly this would be great!

Bring on the Great Southern Carrier Group http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bull_dog_
07-24-2004, 04:04 PM
I simply can't imagine releasing the definitive PTO sim without New Guinea! That is where America's top aces earned many of their kills, where the fate of austrialia hung on razors edge, where some of the fiercest airbattles took place, where some of Japan's best aces scored their kills...it is where Lightnings and Jugs met Oscar, Tony and Tojo...the destruction of Wewak and the landing a Buna...the Kokoda trail and the Tomorrowhawks of Port Moresby held off the Japanese onslaught. Where The battle of Coral Sea "scratch one flat top" occurred. The battle of Bismark Sea and the debacle at Milne Bay. The scenery of the Owen Stanely range where Spitfire Mk V's intercepted Betty Bombers...so many aircraft would not have a proper theatre to fight in if Australia and New Guinea are not included...

It will be there...I just dont' know how I'm gonna make a flight from Moresby to Wewak

smooh
04-16-2005, 07:31 PM
Being aussie I was dissapointed that a lot of new guinie was missing parts where our biggest battles were fought. The other aspect was the Owen ranges are way to small in height should range from 2000 to 4000 meters. Overall the game is the best .cheers

Lewicide
04-16-2005, 07:43 PM
It would be nice, How far down the priotity list it might be? well.... I wonder if Ian Boys can comment?

Cheers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Tully__
04-16-2005, 08:00 PM
OOOOLLLLLLLLDDDDDDD thread!!!!

adadaead
04-16-2005, 08:57 PM
Aside from tapic what the closest battle to Australian continent, could you see it if you were at the northeastern tip of Australia?

HotelBushranger
04-17-2005, 09:08 AM
Bl00dy oath guys! I fly the NG map the most, and it feels empty to have othe majority of the nation missing! Darwin is a BIG must.

And speaking of NG, I have serious doubts about the accuracy of the maps. For example, at Kokoda, in the game it sits on the bottom of a patch of land, surrounded my mountains on several sides at forest on another. On the southern side there is flat planes, rivers (?! in a mountain range ?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif), and several vehicle-friendly roads leading into the village from the north and south.

The REAL Kokoda village sits ontop of a plateau in the Owen Stanleys, with an airfield situated in the middle. That's why it was so significant, and so fought for. The Kokoda Gap, a gap obviously between the village and the surrounding land, is several miles wide. On all sides there is thick, dense jungle. The only lines of transport were tracks made by the natives, there was no possibility of vehicles in that geology. The mountains went several thousand feet up, then several thousand feet down. It's nothing like that in the NG Map.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>OOOOLLLLLLLLDDDDDDD thread!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah well, this is important to us. There are more russian maps than you can poke a stick at, yet there's bugger all for aussies to fly with. Have a little respect.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>and the debacle at Milne Bay <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I still find that a truly inspirational story. 2 Squadrons of Kittyhawks, a Squadron of Hudsons , the18th AIF Brigade and the 7th Militia Brigade, held off 2800 Japanese.

Morotai is also a very important area. Several Squadrons of different aircraft, including Kittyhawks and Spits severed there.

Northern Australia is a must. Hudsons, Vengeances, Boomerangs, Wirraways, Catalinas, entire NG including Lae and Wewak, Morotai, Mossies for India-Burma. And many more.

"There are some mighty heroes
On the shores of old Milne Bay
Dip the lid to blokes like Truscott
And shout Hip-hip-hooray.
For we got right in amongst them,
With Turnbull too, they say,
And we planted Nips by the thousands
On the shores of old Milne Bay"

(sorry for the offensive slang)

Blackdog5555
04-17-2005, 04:29 PM
Yes, a must have...and a little bit of that "Waltzing Matilda, stout beer and fat girls too!

LEXX_Luthor
04-17-2005, 05:33 PM
Well, if we start some New Simplified PF Map threads, we need yall's support.

What we don't need in PF maps...

No Roads....AI don't need roads except for brigdes, but...

No Rivers....no rivers mean no bridges. Also means we won't have the European FB flat terrain surrounding all rivers.

No Airfields....Test Runways serve historical airfield construction dates better than the map Devs can do. The few historical airfields that existed on 7 Dec 1941 can be on the maps, but no others.

No Complicated coast....NG map coast is like Norway Fjords -- csThor says coast is very hard to make.

No Building Objects....mission makers place just a few buildings where the mission flies over.

No Palm Trees....we never got Russian Pine Tree Objects so why the game killing Palm Tree Objects??

This would make PF jungle maps easy to make (perhaps limit terrain elevation as well if the map makers don't have the time).

A large *simple* map can be made covering Lae to Santa Cruz and Admiralty Islands to Darwin. If needed, 1/2 scale map would help with flying distance. SaQSoN suggests even 1/4 scale map and a map covering this scaled area would be about the same size as Gulf of Finland map and THAT thing has 500,000 Building Objects and hundreds of Roads and Rivers especially up north -- have you seen all those rivers at the northern top of Finland map? That must have been hard to make.

Normanby Island on the lower right of NG map is what PF Jungle Island maps should look like. And note how simple the island is to make (simple coastline, no roads, no airfields, no rivers with the game engined required flat open space around rivers), etc...

And, its not a coincidence that Normanby Island is the most realistic looking of the PF *jungle* islands because it has none of the FB European objects listed above.

Pacific is NOT Europe. This is where PF maps went wrong. All they had to do is just leave out all the European stuff and they would have had realistic Pacific jungle maps. Doh!

SaQSoN
04-17-2005, 06:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A large *simple* map can be made covering Lae to Santa Cruz and Admiralty Islands to Darwin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it can't be. The engine would not be able to load that large map, even if it will be nothing, but a plain epmty sea surface, without any islands or objects on it.

LEXX_Luthor
04-17-2005, 06:40 PM
SaQSoN, the 1/2 scale or 1/4 scale as you suggested would make a ~2000km map the same size as Gulf of Finland map--and with much less Objects to load!!

And it would help with long flying times that bother many (but not me!!).

Thanx~

Firestorm07
04-17-2005, 07:10 PM
Recently, I've been looking at old BnW photos of Port Moresby from the time of the war and the landscape therein simply does not compare to the flat terrain we have in the PF NG map.

Simplified mountains and jungle filled valleys somewhat lose the essence that was the struggle of the Kokoda trail.

Rabaul would be a welcome addition to this map, to make campaigns somewhat more rounded as with the extent the map has at the moment, you can only host half of Operation I-Go.

Looking forward to more on NG.

strewth
04-17-2005, 09:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAAFVirtSqn:
I would not be able to understand if AEP did not include at least some airfields from top end of Australia e.g. Cairns, Mareeba, Bowen up to Darwin or at least Horn Island and then of course - Papua New Guinea - Port Moresby to Rabaul and sourrunding area maps. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oi,

Don't forget Townsville. As a major Australian / American base and was bombed at least twice (rather unsuccessfully) by the Japanese. It had a large bomber repair base as well as a heap of surrounding fighter fields ( one now a drag strip) with kittyhawks, P-39's and mustangs.

HotelBushranger
04-17-2005, 11:05 PM
Got some photos of what it was like

http://img234.echo.cx/img234/7654/bb6xt.jpg
Seen is Myola, the only flat piece of land besides Kokoda which enabled biscuit bombing. It was near a volcano IIRC

http://img204.echo.cx/img204/9728/track4ei.jpg

http://img204.echo.cx/img204/2852/stairs8ch.jpg
This shows the general terrain of the entire region, straight up.

http://img204.echo.cx/img204/3311/kokoda0ie.jpg
This is the important one, the bottom shot clearly shows the layout of Kokoda at the time. Quite different from the map

http://img204.echo.cx/img204/4757/fwa9mk.jpg
The rivers were very much like this, in the middle of the jungle, a rope and wood bridge the only means of crossing it. Quite different from the European bridges we see

http://img117.echo.cx/img117/7114/bravebloodyheroes5or.jpg
Favourite photo in the book.

HotelBushranger
04-19-2005, 12:27 AM
Bump!

EnGaurde
04-19-2005, 01:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It needs to be empahsised that there are a lot of Aussies in the IL2/AEP flight sim community - and I would suggest it not be sound business practice for UBI Soft/Luthier and AEP to ignore Aussie flight sim community in favour of customers from other countries <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

indeed, i see aussies everywhere.

but, sadly, i think we over estimate our influence in this kind of thing.

not taking a shot, but american developers tend to make products for american markets and interests, which is largely internal. Which, when you look at numbers, is probably a sound business decision. We might get a mention, the occasional nod, but...

european developers... now thats where the problem lies. I doubt the average european has ever considered going to Oz let alone has any interest in us. Sure, theyve heard of all the stereotypical things that come out of any country but i reckon theyd be hard pressed to find us on a map or identify our accent. We're just a place you go where everything kills you. If you think thats stupid, i spoke to an american Oracle DB some time ago that was amazed how we go into the water and not get eaten by sharks, and dont go outside at night as the wild dogs will kill you... as was the advice from his boss. Seriously. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

If this was an example albeit strange, from our closest ally, then what will eastern european people ie developer houses think?

We mean nothing to most of the world, hell even our sou'east asian neighbours hate the sight of us.

we just arent big enough to matter in the grand scheme. We figured prominantly in every pacific situation, but nobodys modelled our troops or our situation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

about the only game ive seen where we are mentioned is Joint Operations. Even then, theyve given us british accents.

case in point, dont hold ye breath eh?

( we're the pacific equivalent of Liechtenstein http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif )

DIRTY-MAC
04-19-2005, 10:43 AM
I just hope the new maps will have a proper terrain with mountains and walleys like in real
life.

strewth
04-19-2005, 01:29 PM
Yeah, God knows we need more walleys in this game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

LEXX_Luthor
04-19-2005, 07:14 PM
Good topic. What to call the wide flat sea~level plains needed for rivers in the FB map engine...?

Water Valley = Walley

Actually, it works well for European maps. Static Test Runways can best be placed in the walleys, as they have flat terrain. The tiny elevation found in some areas are what the thickness of the Test Runways helps overcome. What we need though is Static Test Taxi Lanes and join them so we can create a working airport out of the Test Runway feature.

FltLt_HardBall
04-19-2005, 08:24 PM
IIRC 'flat' runways are in the pipeline.

heywooood
04-19-2005, 08:29 PM
mmmmm 'walleys'.....fresh from the galleys....

HotelBushranger
04-20-2005, 06:24 AM
Back to the point!

What do you blokes suggest we do? Harass Oleg with frequent calls at 2 in the morning? Throw eggs at his office? I'm keen for similar ideas http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

RAAF_Furball
04-20-2005, 08:36 AM
Good Topic !

The importance of the South Pacific and the effort of Aussies cannot be understated ..........

Refer pic from RAAF Museum

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v61/Furball/RAAF_Museum/Theatres_of_War.jpg

JG53Frankyboy
04-20-2005, 08:45 AM
any infos about RAAF in russia ?

Te_Vigo
04-20-2005, 09:03 AM
I think the effort of all those asking for the inclusion of the major areas of battle in The Pacific should be considered by the development team.
What we are asking for is justified for historical accuracy and isn't that what this sim is...accurate?
Alot, if not most of the major battles occurred in areas that fall just outside the maps we have now.
We understand about the elevation of maps being limited by the engine but is it possible to have a higher topographical map for the area around Kokoda, similar to the Summer Mountain for Two Armies map that is included with the game?

Te_Vigo
04-20-2005, 09:21 AM
http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/timor.htm

http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/ww2.htm

http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/coral_sea/index.htm

http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/air_raids/index.htm

http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/air_raids/darwin.htm

http://www.naa.gov.au/Publications/fact_sheets/fs195.html

http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.nsf/5d7f819ab5cab102ca2565f400824fcc/404d5f488391d742ca256ea700157d47?OpenDocument

http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.nsf/aa9b3f3247a3c8ae4a25676300078dee/fdd87d873043dcd8ca256b84002024e9?OpenDocument

http://www.awm.gov.au/journal/j34/shindo.htm

HotelBushranger
04-21-2005, 12:25 AM
Thanks Vigo! Shows how much Australians operated in the war.

Is there any way of directly getting into contact with the game developers?

RAAF_Furball
04-21-2005, 03:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
any infos about RAAF in russia ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>G'day.

I found 15,000 references to RAAF in Russia - click here (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=RAAF+in+russia&btnG=Google+Search&meta=)

DuxCorvan
04-21-2005, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Is there any way of directly getting into contact with the game developers? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hide in their car boot/trunk, and wait for them to get out of home. But be careful, Luthier's Lada has a rear engine. Don't get your butt toasted.

Pentallion
04-21-2005, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A large *simple* map can be made covering Lae to Santa Cruz and Admiralty Islands to Darwin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it can't be. The engine would not be able to load that large map, even if it will be nothing, but a plain epmty sea surface, without any islands or objects on it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to burst your bubble but do you know what size all the maps are now? All of them are infinite. They go on as far as you care to place things on them. That's right, you can place things off the edge of the map that's displayed and they will be there if you fly to them.

If we simply had some island terrain objects to build islands with, we could build Rabaul, the entire Solomons, etc. using either the NG map or the Guadalcanal one. I've built huge Mediterranean maps where you had to navigate without the map icons off the edges of the maps for miles. Even your airbase was not on the map. We flew many of these missions online in Iron Skies Malta.

Pentallion
04-21-2005, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A large *simple* map can be made covering Lae to Santa Cruz and Admiralty Islands to Darwin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it can't be. The engine would not be able to load that large map, even if it will be nothing, but a plain epmty sea surface, without any islands or objects on it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to burst your bubble but do you know what size all the maps are now? All of them are infinite. They go on as far as you care to place things on them. That's right, you can place things off the edge of the map that's displayed and they will be there if you fly to them.

If we simply had some island terrain objects to build islands with, we could build Rabaul, the entire Solomons, etc. using either the NG map or the Guadalcanal one. I've built huge Mediterranean maps where you had to navigate without the map icons, off the edges of the maps for miles. Even your airbase was not on the map. We flew many of these missions online in Iron Skies Malta.

canucksledge
04-21-2005, 05:31 PM
Australians are cool. If I wasn't so hung up on being Canadian, I'd choose to be Austrailian any day.

And Fosters does NOT suck...

RAAF_Furball
04-21-2005, 08:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by canucksledge:
Australians are cool. If I wasn't so hung up on being Canadian, I'd choose to be Austrailian any day. And Fosters does NOT suck... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Onya canucksledge - we like Canadians too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pentallion :
If we simply had some island terrain objects to build islands with, we could build Rabaul, the entire Solomons, etc. using either the NG map or the Guadalcanal one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Excellent suggestion !


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HotelBushranger :
Is there any way of directly getting into contact with the game developers? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The game developers DO read these Forums, but don't always comment. There is always Oleg's Ready Room (click here). (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=63110913)

JunkoIfurita
04-21-2005, 10:03 PM
Heya Canuck,

The Canadians are alright by us (and you do a good whiskey, too). I've got some friends, the Potvins, living up Vancouver way.

But, I gotta tell you - Fosters is a REALLY awful Australian beer. You can't even get it on tap in Queensland (fortunately for us http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) On the risk of alienating my BananaBender brethren, I'd hazard to say that Boags is Australia's best drop. It's a Tasmanian beer, and they have some good water down there.

As to the worry about how 'important' Australia is in the field of armed conflict, or even as a country that gets noticed by the rest of the world: to be honest I'd much rather be completely unknown (and living our very high quality of life, we Aussies can't complain!) as a nation than to be the first target when the nukes fall http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Speaking of which, I'm a bit worried on Japan's behalf at the moment...

----

HotelBushranger
04-22-2005, 12:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As to the worry about how 'important' Australia is in the field of armed conflict, or even as a country that gets noticed by the rest of the world: to be honest I'd much rather be completely unknown (and living our very high quality of life, we Aussies can't complain!) as a nation than to be the first target when the nukes fall <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have a good point, however IMO this is a sign of respect and recognition for Australian Forces who rought in WW2, often under other nation's command and therefore mistreated (I won't even BEGIN on Kokoda). I have read a lot about what we've done, and it would be a beaut to be able to renact what the diggers did.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But, I gotta tell you - Fosters is a REALLY awful Australian beer. You can't even get it on tap in Queensland (fortunately for us Big Grin ) On the risk of alienating my BananaBender brethren, I'd hazard to say that Boags is Australia's best drop. It's a Tasmanian beer, and they have some good water down there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Go the Tassies! My old relie was the Cheif Brewer of the Cascade brewery in the 1870's abouts. That's why it tastes so d@mn good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Australians are cool. If I wasn't so hung up on being Canadian, I'd choose to be Austrailian any day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Thanks mate. My girlfriends Canadian and she is mighty fine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ImpStarDuece
04-22-2005, 02:11 AM
Forget Boags or Cascade, good brew both but they dont have any FLAVOUR. Give me a Coopers Red! Oh for that sweet nectar of home. You can taste the bloody Yarra in it. Plus you can use the left over yeast cultures for home brew, whats not to like!

A little more on topic; apart from the rumours about a Singapore map, does anyone have any clue as to what, or if, any new pacific maps will be included in the game?

Personally i'd be hanging out for some CBI stuff, more to my liking than the island hopping most US flyers seem to be cheering for.

JunkoIfurita
04-22-2005, 06:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You have a good point, however IMO this is a sign of respect and recognition for Australian Forces who rought in WW2, often under other nation's command and therefore mistreated (I won't even BEGIN on Kokoda). I have read a lot about what we've done, and it would be a beaut to be able to renact what the diggers did. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also a good point - the diggers deserve all the respect and acknowledgement we can give them (although I definitely wouldn't say the same thing about the politicians who sent them there). However I also consider it a sign of respect for them to hope that no Aussie soldier have to go through times like that again.

@ImpStar - didn't know you were a South Aussie mate. Coopers is a top brew, I won't deny it (although you do have to strain it through your teeth - it's real tucker beer, that).

I don't know about Boags/Cascade having no flavour, though. See that's the problem with XXXX or VB - they've got flavour, and that's the problem http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

I guess I'm spoiled - I've been drinking my good mate's father's home brew since I was a lad. He's got such a good recipe that it's hard to go back. Funny thing though, he uses Coopers home brew as a base (to save time), and then adds to it. I have no idea what goes in (I'm suspicious that it's some sort of fruit, he's bloody Belgian stock after all) after that, but it comes out as sweet Ambrosia. And about 12% by volume http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

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JunkoIfurita
04-22-2005, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You have a good point, however IMO this is a sign of respect and recognition for Australian Forces who rought in WW2, often under other nation's command and therefore mistreated (I won't even BEGIN on Kokoda). I have read a lot about what we've done, and it would be a beaut to be able to renact what the diggers did. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also a good point - the diggers deserve all the respect and acknowledgement we can give them (although I definitely wouldn't say the same thing about the politicians who sent them there). However I also consider it a sign of respect for them to hope that no Aussie soldier have to go through times like that again.

@ImpStar - didn't know you were a South Aussie mate. Coopers is a top brew, I won't deny it (although you do have to strain it through your teeth - it's real tucker beer, that).

I don't know about Boags/Cascade having no flavour, though. See that's the problem with XXXX or VB - they've got flavour, and that's the problem http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

I guess I'm spoiled - I've been drinking my good mate's father's home brew since I was a lad. He's got such a good recipe that it's hard to go back. Funny thing though, he uses Coopers home brew as a base (to save time), and then adds to it. I have no idea what goes in (I'm suspicious that it's some sort of fruit, he's bloody Belgian stock after all) after that, but it comes out as sweet Ambrosia. And about 12% by volume http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Cheers.

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Te_Vigo
04-22-2005, 08:40 AM
XXXX ? that stuff is likened to "love on the beach".


Matlda Bay W.A. - "Hammerhead" brand, is on par with Coopers

canucksledge
04-22-2005, 05:00 PM
Actually I think our Fosters is brewed here. Maybe that's the difference. I actually get quite ripped on it now and then. Invite me over for a keg and we'll compare. A Canadian and an Australian on a kegger. Scary...very scary. I see an international incident, with some poor third country waking up to find they'd had their eyebrows shaved off, and their capitol buildings toilet papered. Or worse.. I'd put my money on worse...

I've enjoyed a Boags before. 14 (or so) actually. In rapid succession. Had someone bring me some once, right off the shelves of some store in Sydney. I believe I may have passed out at some point, but it wasn't the beer. It may have been the Canadian Club Rye...

Te_Vigo
04-22-2005, 09:53 PM
".....Some thirdworld country waking up to find it's eyebrows shaved off"

LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

HotelBushranger
04-23-2005, 10:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Forget Boags or Cascade, good brew both but they dont have any FLAVOUR. Give me a Coopers Red! Oh for that sweet nectar of home. You can taste the bloody Yarra in it. Plus you can use the left over yeast cultures for home brew, whats not to like! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

:O A crow eater! Ugh! Bloody south australians, you blokes dunno anything about good beer! My money is still on Cascade, that's the good stuff. Dwelving fromm beer, but Strongbow's also a nice little cidar.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Actually I think our Fosters is brewed here. Maybe that's the difference. I actually get quite ripped on it now and then. Invite me over for a keg and we'll compare. A Canadian and an Australian on a kegger <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure you'll be able to keep up with us? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We'll drink ya under the table mate, no worries


But back to the topic! .....erm, what was it again? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

canucksledge
04-24-2005, 10:42 AM
drinkin'!!!

It's a rainy Sunday afternoon here, and I got tomorrow off, and I can't go boating yet, and the kids are off at friends, and the old lady got called into work, and I got burgers on the Q, so it really doesn't matter what the topic is! : )

cheers!

Bluedog72
04-24-2005, 12:38 PM
Raises glass to Canucksledge ' To the commonwealth ' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wow, Oooold thread guys, guess I got my answer.

BTW, as to Australia's rellevance to WWII, in a round about way we caused the whole thing, after all, if it wasn't for the Aussies, Germany would have won in France in 1918, there wouldn't have been a second world war if it werent for Commonwealth Cannon Fodder http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

April 25 today, in two hours time, but 90 years ago, thousands of young Aussies went ashore at Gallipoli. Today, hundreds of thousands of us will watch the sun rise while the last post plays, and we will remember them.

Salute Diggers, the last of you may be gone, but your deeds will last forever.

canucksledge
04-24-2005, 05:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bluedog72:
Raises glass to Canucksledge ' To the commonwealth ' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wow, Oooold thread guys, guess I got my answer.

BTW, as to Australia's rellevance to WWII, in a round about way we caused the whole thing, after all, if it wasn't for the Aussies, Germany would have won in France in 1918, there wouldn't have been a second world war if it werent for Commonwealth Cannon Fodder http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

April 25 today, in two hours time, but 90 years ago, thousands of young Aussies went ashore at Gallipoli. Today, hundreds of thousands of us will watch the sun rise while the last post plays, and we will remember them.

Salute Diggers, the last of you may be gone, but your deeds will last forever. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

cheers...

Te_Vigo
04-24-2005, 08:25 PM
Lest we forget


http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/japadvance/index.html

RAAF_Furball
04-25-2005, 02:21 AM
LEST WE FORGET

HotelBushranger
04-25-2005, 06:30 AM
~S~ To the Diggers! I had a relie in World War 1, possibly Gallipoli too. He did well enough to get a medal, not enough info which, but also a MID.

We will remember them.

Te_Vigo
04-28-2005, 09:46 AM
upsa daisy

JunkoIfurita
04-29-2005, 12:01 AM
My great grandfather was one of those poor Aussie sods that spent the majority of the war on the fields of the Somme.

He was luckier than most of the Gallipoli diggers: he survived the war.

Although not much luckier - severe mustard gassing totally ruined his lungs, and when he got back he was given a medal, a few hundred pounds in compensation, and ignored for the 5 years it took for his lungs to dissolve.

We've got a lot more respect for the ANZACS now then they ever did before WWII. It's a pity most of them didn't live to see that.

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