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Snootles
08-14-2004, 11:02 PM
I found this list on the German forums. It comes from a pretty reliable source- UBI-Marc, Grand Poobah of the UBI forums. He also mentions this list is not final, so don't get worked up over apparent omissions. The fat lady ain't outta the dressing room yet. Oh, and this doesn't count what's already in FB (e.g. A6M5, P-47D's).

A-20C Havoc
A-20G Havoc
A6M2 Model 21
A6M2-N
A6M3
Beaufighter TF.Mk. 21
D3A1
FM-2 Wildcat
F2A-1
F2A-2
F2A-3
F4F-3 Wildcat
F4F-4 Wildcat
F4U-1A Corsair
F4U-1C Corsair
F4U-1D Corsair
F6F-3 Hellcat
F6F-5 Hellcat
G4M1
Ki-43-I Hayabusa
Ki-43-II Hayabusa
Ki-61 Hien
N1K1-J Shiden
P-39D Airacobra
P-40B
P-40C
P-400 Airacobra
PBJ-1C Mitchell
PBJ-1G Mitchell
PBJ-1H Mitchell
PBJ-1J Mitchell
SBD Dauntless
Seafire Mk. III
Spitfire Mk. VIII
TBF Avenger

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Snootles
08-14-2004, 11:02 PM
I found this list on the German forums. It comes from a pretty reliable source- UBI-Marc, Grand Poobah of the UBI forums. He also mentions this list is not final, so don't get worked up over apparent omissions. The fat lady ain't outta the dressing room yet. Oh, and this doesn't count what's already in FB (e.g. A6M5, P-47D's).

A-20C Havoc
A-20G Havoc
A6M2 Model 21
A6M2-N
A6M3
Beaufighter TF.Mk. 21
D3A1
FM-2 Wildcat
F2A-1
F2A-2
F2A-3
F4F-3 Wildcat
F4F-4 Wildcat
F4U-1A Corsair
F4U-1C Corsair
F4U-1D Corsair
F6F-3 Hellcat
F6F-5 Hellcat
G4M1
Ki-43-I Hayabusa
Ki-43-II Hayabusa
Ki-61 Hien
N1K1-J Shiden
P-39D Airacobra
P-40B
P-40C
P-400 Airacobra
PBJ-1C Mitchell
PBJ-1G Mitchell
PBJ-1H Mitchell
PBJ-1J Mitchell
SBD Dauntless
Seafire Mk. III
Spitfire Mk. VIII
TBF Avenger

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-15-2004, 12:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
PBJ-1C Mitchell
PBJ-1G Mitchell
PBJ-1H Mitchell
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I find this interesting!! USMC B-25s!! Far as I am aware, the 1C only carried depth charges or torpedoes in place of it's normal bombload and alsq they were equipped with radar (wonder if they've modelled that??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ), but the G and H kept more or less the same configurations and loadouts as the army/airforce versions.

But the first squadrons in the Marines equipped with these didn't see combat until March 1944 or something didn't they??

Does anyone know if there were any differences in performance in the PBJ-1s over the B-25s??

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Snootles
08-15-2004, 12:14 AM
Not sure, but I'm almost positive flyable PBJ means flyable Air Force B-25's too. According to info I have the PBJ was essentially the same as the B-25 apart from equipment like you mentioned. So the PBJ-1C had ASV radar, eh? This can only mean good things for the prospect of a future flyable Black Widow. I love old '40s radar and jet technology.

Snootles
08-15-2004, 01:21 AM
Bump. How do you get something like this to be sticky?

Yellonet
08-15-2004, 03:22 AM
Anybody know which versions of the A-20C and A-20G we're getting?

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CHDT
08-15-2004, 03:28 AM
I hightly doubt that US Navy Mitchells were flown operationnally with torpedoes.

To my knowledge, the Marauder was the only twin-engine bomber to use torpedoes in the Pacific theater and only at very little numbers.

Tooz_69GIAP
08-15-2004, 04:15 AM
Well, the PBJ-1s most definately could carry torpedoes. Whether they used them operationally I don't know, but I have a shot of a PBJ-1 loaded with a torp, so they definately were able to carry them.

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VW-IceFire
08-15-2004, 07:30 AM
Missing the Kate and Avenger. Another source seems to indicate that the FAA campaign can include the Avenger Mk III so that must be on the list...

Also, wouldn't the Spitfire VIII be an LF version?

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Tater-SW-
08-15-2004, 08:22 AM
The Betty carried torpedos as well, or were you just talking about twin engined US aircraft? FWIW, by video on flying the B-25 (from Zeno's) lists torpedo bombing as one of the capabilities.

tater

joberrick
08-15-2004, 09:11 AM
What variants of the Dauntless?

Snootles
08-15-2004, 09:26 AM
This is just an exact quote from Marc. I wasn't doing any inference here. The SBD in the recent dev update is an SBD-5 though. And I assume that there will be a flyable Avenger. I also assume there will be an N1K2-J, rather different from the original N1K1-J. Other assumptions include a CAC Boomerang, P-47N, Ki-44 Shoki, Ki-45 Toryu, etc. I'm not sure what exact mark the Spitfire is; the post only said "Mk. VIII". I'm not that knowledgeable about the aircraft of the Commonwealth.

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Arm_slinger
08-15-2004, 09:26 AM
Can't wait to get my hands on the B25's, i'm itching to put a few 75mm's down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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DJKruse
08-15-2004, 11:38 AM
hmm, no Val...I would think that would be flyable.

ASH at S-MART
08-15-2004, 11:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
I found this list on the German forums. It comes from a pretty reliable source- UBI-Marc, Grand Poobah of the UBI forums. He also mentions _this list is not final_, so don't get worked up over apparent omissions. The fat lady ain't outta the dressing room yet. Oh, and this doesn't count what's already in FB (e.g. A6M5, P-47D's).

A-20C Havoc
A-20G Havoc
A6M2-N
A6M3
Beaufighter TF.Mk. 21
D3A1
FM-2 Wildcat
F2A-1
F2A-2
F2A-3
F4F-3 Wildcat
F4F-4 Wildcat
F4U-1A Corsair
F4U-1C Corsair
F4U-1D Corsair
F6F-3 Hellcat
F6F-5 Hellcat
G4M1
Ki-43-I Hayabusa
Ki-61 Hien
N1K1-J Shiden
P-39D Airacobra
P-40B
P-40C
P-400 Airacobra
PBJ-1C Mitchell
PBJ-1G Mitchell
PBJ-1H Mitchell
SBD Dauntless
Seafire F.Mk. III
Spitfire F.Mk. VIII<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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IV_JG51_Razor
08-15-2004, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DJKruse:
hmm, no Val...I would think that would be flyable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that's what we called the D3A1, which is #6 on the list just below the Beaufighter. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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arcadeace
08-15-2004, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Missing the Kate and Avenger. Another source seems to indicate that the FAA campaign can include the Avenger Mk III so that must be on the list...
Avenge"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

2 a/c in which its hard to imagine being without.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASH_MART:
F4U-1C Corsair... NIIIIIIIIIICE! Love them 4x20mm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes that's exactly what caught my eye. Don't get in its way unless its empty... And a fun ground pounder.

IV_JG51_Razor
08-15-2004, 12:44 PM
Check the Development pages for screens of both the TBF and B5N Kate. I am assuming that they will both be flyable. The Kate appeared quite some time ago, so my guess is that they are doing a cockpit for it.

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VW-IceFire
08-15-2004, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
This is just an exact quote from Marc. I wasn't doing any inference here. The SBD in the recent dev update is an SBD-5 though. And I assume that there will be a flyable Avenger. I also assume there will be an N1K2-J, rather different from the original N1K1-J. Other assumptions include a CAC Boomerang, P-47N, Ki-44 Shoki, Ki-45 Toryu, etc. I'm not sure what exact mark the Spitfire is; the post only said "Mk. VIII". I'm not that knowledgeable about the aircraft of the Commonwealth.

"You're not a god, you're a birthday cake!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok...its probably like the Spitfire IX that they added in the AEP 2.01 patch. The list says Spitfire IXc and then Spitfire LF IXc which infact is wrong. They are both LF IXc just one has clipped wings. Probably the same with the VIII which used the same engine (Merlin 66 for LF VIII) and the same sort of designation.

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wickedpenguin
08-15-2004, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Can't wait to get my hands on the B25's, i'm itching to put a few 75mm's down<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Amen to that!

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WereSnowleopard
08-15-2004, 02:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DJKruse:
hmm, no Val...I would think that would be flyable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it is flyable as I played Demo PF at quakecon. It also have own campaign in there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Snootles
08-15-2004, 04:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ok...its probably like the Spitfire IX that they added in the AEP 2.01 patch. The list says Spitfire IXc and then Spitfire LF IXc which infact is wrong. They are both LF IXc just one has clipped wings. Probably the same with the VIII which used the same engine (Merlin 66 for LF VIII) and the same sort of designation.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LF signifies the clipped wing. HF signifies an extended-span wing which from plan-view comes to a finer point at the tip.

Arm_slinger
08-15-2004, 04:49 PM
and detirmins the level they are intend to fight at
LF being low fighter
HF being high alt fighter

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Snootles
08-15-2004, 07:20 PM
Alley-oop!

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PBNA-Boosher
08-16-2004, 08:48 PM
yay! My baby, the P-40B/C, will be in as flyable after all! Big thank you to PlaneEater, the modeler!

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08-17-2004, 02:59 AM
Sorry if this a stupid question that I should already knwo the answer too, but...Do each of these aircraft have unique flight models? Or is it more of a standard model with unique tweaks?

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WUAF_Badsight
08-17-2004, 03:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arcadeace:

Yes that's exactly what caught my eye. Don't get in its way unless its empty... And a fun ground pounder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i think we might be getting the 30mm cannon Mitsubishi Raiden . . . . .

. . . . . they were the Japanese fighter that out-climbed the Hayate . . . . . which also might be in PF . . . . . . . . . . . . with 30mm's

hope its flyable

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Exzipion
08-17-2004, 05:24 AM
No naval based-carrier torpedo planes flyable?

No B5N Kate?
No B6N Jill?
No TBD Devastator?
No TBM Avenger?

Only D3A1 and SBD Dauntless based-carrier bombers flyable?

great deception...

WOLFMondo
08-17-2004, 06:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ok...its probably like the Spitfire IX that they added in the AEP 2.01 patch. The list says Spitfire IXc and then Spitfire LF IXc which infact is wrong. They are both LF IXc just one has clipped wings. Probably the same with the VIII which used the same engine (Merlin 66 for LF VIII) and the same sort of designation.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LF signifies the clipped wing. HF signifies an extended-span wing which from plan-view comes to a finer point at the tip.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Er...I don't think it does, it just signifies if the engine is tuned for high or low flight. I don't think there were any MkVIII's that had clipped wings. THe HF spits like the IX we have already has standard wings.

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Arm_slinger
08-17-2004, 06:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Exzipion:
No naval based-carrier torpedo planes flyable?

No B5N Kate?
No B6N Jill?
No TBD Devastator?
No TBM Avenger?

Only D3A1 and SBD Dauntless based-carrier bombers flyable?

great deception...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed that is pretty poor they are only AI, i hope they make it in the follow up patches

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Snootles
08-17-2004, 10:36 AM
Who knows? It was made quite clear this was an incomplete list.

267 Spitfire F.Mk. VIIIs were made with the standard wing and either a Merlin 61 or 63. 160 HF.Mk. VIIIs were made with an extended-span wing and Merlin 70.

Zeke52c
08-17-2004, 11:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
This is just an exact quote from Marc. I wasn't doing any inference here. The SBD in the recent dev update is an SBD-5 though. And I assume that there will be a flyable Avenger. I also assume there will be an N1K2-J, rather different from the original N1K1-J. Other assumptions include a CAC Boomerang, P-47N, Ki-44 Shoki, Ki-45 Toryu, etc. I'm not sure what exact mark the Spitfire is; the post only said "Mk. VIII". I'm not that knowledgeable about the aircraft of the Commonwealth."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh no! not again! Why is it every time the Pacific Airwar gets done, they leave out the significant late IJN carrier/land based bombers - Judy and Jill. Pacific Air War 1942 did it (it wasnt just 1942, but went upto 44), and also Cfs2 Pacific Theater did it (mind you that's not a problem with that game thanks to the internet. Always Vals and Kates, but never the later aircraft. D3A1 Vals look plain silly in their light grey markings in the Marianas, Leyte Gulf and Okinawa etc in 44-45. Besides they just weren't there, it was the later D3A2 and it was IJN green. Bit like putting a P-40B over Japan in 45!
Also we hear there is going to be a map set for Singapore? yet no Hurricane, I can't believe that. Has Burma been left out again also? Still it only lasted from Dec 1941 until August 1945, so not that important really!!!
I need to see better than this to part with my hard earned. The list of Japanese aircraft still looks too thin to me. Sticking the George in (its always in) does not make up for all those far more significant Japanese aircraft that are being omitted again. One Japanese twin engine bomber? That's ridiculous.
If this is true it looks just like another re-hash of all those other games, but with a few additional oddities. Do we really need several versions of the same plane with minor differences? I mean a Havoc is nice, but do we need that many? Personally I'd rather see a Sally or a Frances or something.

Snootles
08-17-2004, 02:12 PM
Do you wanna see my full flyable wish list? Here goes...

A-26 Invader
A5M "Claude"
B-17 Flying Fortress
B-24 Liberator
B-26 Marauder
B-29 Superfortress
B5M "Mabel/Kate 61"
B5N "Kate"
B6N Tenzan "Jill"
B7A Ryusei "Grace"
D4Y Suisei "Judy"
E7K "Alf"
E8N "Dave"
E13A "Jake"
F1M "Pete"
G3M "Nell"
H6K "Mavis"
H8K "Emily"
J1N Gekko "Irving"
J2M Raiden "Jack"
Ki-21 "Sally"
Ki-27 "Nate"
Ki-30 "Ann"
Ki-36
Ki-44 Shoki "Tojo"
Ki-45 Toryu "Nick"
Ki-48 "Lily"
Ki-49 Donryu "Helen"
Ki-51 "Sonia"
Ki-67 Hiryu "Peggy"
Ki-100
Ki-102 "Randy"
OS2U Kingfisher
P-61 Black Widow
P1Y Ginga "Frances"
PB2Y Coronado
PB4Y Liberator/Privateer
PBM Mariner
PBY Catalina
PV Ventura
SB2C Helldiver
SB2U Vindicator
SOC Seagull
TBD Devastator
TBF Avenger

And all the craft of England and the Commonwealth, but I'm not sure which of their planes was in the Pacific and which stayed in Europe.

Hopefully many of these will become flyable sometime.

Maj_Death
08-17-2004, 11:44 PM
This is a list of critical flyable planes that if it lacks I probebly won't waste my money on this so called sim:

A6M2
A6M3
A6M5
D3A1
D3A2
Kate
TBD
TBF
SBD
SB2C
F4F-3
F4F-4
F6F of some sort
F4U-1
P-400
P-40E
Ki-27
Ki-43
Ki-84
Ki-100
P-51D
P-47D
P-38F
P-38J
P-38L

Relative to the works in progress list this is actually very short. But also notice that many of these are not on the list http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif. The odd planes and multiengined bombers are nice but seriously, these are the core planes that absolutely must be flyable.

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polkku
08-18-2004, 01:50 AM
over 30 flyable planes is surely good news BUT.
when I look at that list there are only few Japanese planes. This makes me think that the ACTUAL planeset of flyables in PF will be more even.

I mean who would want a game with 25 US planes and few models of Zero, some 44 or 45 model Jap fighter plane and one Jap bomber.

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thrila
08-18-2004, 05:58 AM
It's strange that they have decided to model the Seafire F III. Only the initial batch of seafires were mk F, they themselves were quickly replaced by the mk L III. Nearly all of the Seafire mk III produced were L.

Snootles
08-18-2004, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> This is a list of critical flyable planes that if it lacks I probebly won't waste my money on this so called sim:

A6M2
A6M3
A6M5
D3A1
D3A2
Kate
TBD
TBF
SBD
SB2C
F4F-3
F4F-4
F6F of some sort
F4U-1
P-400
P-40E
Ki-27
Ki-43
Ki-84
Ki-100
P-51D
P-47D
P-38F
P-38J
P-38L
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, here are the flyables already in Forgotten Battles that will be relevant to the Pacific theatre:

A6M2 "Zero"
A6M5a "Zero"
Ki-84-Ia Hayate "Frank"
Ki-84-Ib Hayate "Frank"
Ki-84-Ic Hayate "Frank"
P-38J Lightning
P-38L Lightning
P-39N-1 Airacobra
P-39Q-1 Airacobra
P-39Q-10 Airacobra
P-40E
P-40M Warhawk (as Kittyhawk F.Mk. III)
P-47D-10 Thunderbolt
P-47D-22 Thunderbolt
P-47D-27 Thunderbolt
P-51B-NA Mustang
P-51C-NT Mustang (w. Malcolm hood)
P-51D-5-NT Mustang
P-51D-20-NA Mustang
Spitfire F.Mk. IXc
Spitfire F.Mk. IXe
Spitfire HF.Mk. IXe
Spitfire LF.Mk. IXc (clipped wing)
Spitfire LF.Mk. IXe (clipped wing)

There are also a bunch of Spitfire Mk. Vb variants but I'm not sure if those saw action in the PTO. In fact I'm not sure at all which Spit variants were in the PTO.

Oh, and thrila, it's possible that the Seafires will be LF marks. Since the original list I saw said only "Mk. III" I have no idea whether they are F or LF. Maybe we'll get both...

PlaneEater
08-18-2004, 01:59 PM
I'll say it again for Maj_Death's benefit...

The TBD will NEVER be flyable because there are NONE LEFT. There is not enough information remaining to build a cockpit model or complex flight model.

That may also be the case with some of the other planes on your list, but I don't know for sure.

MoritzJGOne
08-18-2004, 02:27 PM
Based on the Lists here are significant flyables (excluding heavy bombers) being left off:

US: Curtiss Helldiver SB2C, Avenger, Devastator.

Japan: (By Allied Code Name)- Nate, Judy, George, Jack, Irving.

Britain: Beaufort, Barracuda, Fulmar, Firefly, Mosquito & Lockheed Ventura.

I note that of the announced flyables, two of these, the A-20 and the B-25 can go into FB and be used by the Red Air Force!

Chuck_Older
08-18-2004, 03:21 PM
F2As.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

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Chuck_Older
08-18-2004, 03:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maj_Death:
This is a list of critical flyable planes that if it lacks I probebly won't waste my money on this so called sim:

A6M2
A6M3
A6M5
D3A1
D3A2
Kate
TBD
TBF
SBD
SB2C
F4F-3
F4F-4
F6F of some sort
F4U-1
P-400
P-40E
Ki-27
Ki-43
Ki-84
Ki-100
P-51D
P-47D
P-38F
P-38J
P-38L

Relative to the works in progress list this is actually very short. But also notice that many of these are not on the list http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif. The odd planes and multiengined bombers are nice but seriously, these are the core planes that absolutely must be flyable.



<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Major-

Please re-read the original post and find the thread in which Oleg himself flatly states that PF will be stand alone AND comaptible with AEP

What this means specifically in regards to your post is that the planes in my signature WILL BE in PF, because they are in FB already. You have FB and ahte latest patches and updates right? So some of those planes are in PF already een though it's not been released yet.

If you don't want to buy PF that's your affair, by the way.

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VW-IceFire
08-18-2004, 03:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ok...its probably like the Spitfire IX that they added in the AEP 2.01 patch. The list says Spitfire IXc and then Spitfire LF IXc which infact is wrong. They are both LF IXc just one has clipped wings. Probably the same with the VIII which used the same engine (Merlin 66 for LF VIII) and the same sort of designation.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LF signifies the clipped wing. HF signifies an extended-span wing which from plan-view comes to a finer point at the tip.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats a mistake that has been re-printed far too much.

LF = low fighter
F = fighter
HF = high fighter

It refers to the engine or engine tuning. You can have clipped or non-clipped versions of all of these (except the HF, only standard and extended wings were used - extended wings having no real advantage and being phased out after their initial introduction).

The Spitfire IX in FB is a Mk LF IX. All LF IX Spitfires use the Merlin 66 which was an improvement over the Merlin 61 which was initially fitted to early IX's in 1942 (about 100 or so). The Merlin 66's supercharger kicked in at a lower speed in order to maintain superior performance over the FW190 at all altitudes. Unlike the Mark V with its LF designation which serverly limited its performance above 20,000 feet (or so) the Mark IX was still quite capable of operating at standard operating altitudes.

The IX HF in FB has a Merlin 70 and standard wings (extended being equipped only in C type armament and fitted to Mark VII's only).

I was initially curious at the list suggesting that the Mark VIII was F VIII only. Its likely, a Merlin 66 LF VIII which again was most common. The VIII and the IX sharing engines and having slightly different fuselgage configurations.

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VW-IceFire
08-18-2004, 03:47 PM
Double.

Maj_Death
08-18-2004, 03:47 PM
Some people here need to read things more closely. I never said that all those planes I listed wern't going to be in PF, I simply gave a list of CORE planes that absolutely must be in. Some of them are already but others arn't. Before we start worrying about flyable A-20's, we need to get the core stuff like the TBD, SB2C and Ki-100 in. And BTW, there are pictures of TBD's and I'm sure there is an actual one sitting around somewhere.

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VW-IceFire
08-18-2004, 03:52 PM
Cockpit photos for the Devastator right here: http://tbd_devastator.tripod.com/tbd/tbd.photopage.htm

I had an interesting time flying the Turkey Shoot mission in Aces of the Pacific flying one of these in a large group that gets torn apart by Zero's while trying to launch torpedoes. Very much an impossible thing to get through to the carrier...but it was interesting to try. Hope to be able to do the same...

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Snootles
08-18-2004, 04:21 PM
Looks like a delightfully simple instrument panel. A lot of '30s planes were like that.

PlaneEater
08-18-2004, 04:44 PM
Those are nowhere near enough to build a cockpit from, especially a multi-seater interior.

Hell, 1C:Maddox has more than that for the Pe8.

Maj_Death
08-18-2004, 05:10 PM
Really? I have never seen a pic of a Pe-8 cockpit. I've seen lots of picks of TBD cockpits.

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PlaneEater
08-18-2004, 05:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I've seen lots of picks of TBD cockpits.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then please, by all means, send them to Oleg.

Exzipion
08-19-2004, 05:23 AM
Principal page of Pacific Fighters:

"...New to the series will be the emphasis on flyable bombers and
aircraft-carrier action."

With this presentation, a lot of bombers and torpedo planes will must be flyable...

MoritzJGOne
08-19-2004, 09:43 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Actually, I even have enough PE8 data for a cockpits, radio, nav and turrets. There are the Russian drawings which show the instrument panels in detail. (panels plural as the pilot and co-pilot sat in a line) About a year ago, the French publisher Lela came out with a book on the TB3 & PE8 with a lot of photos, including inside the turrets.

There are no extant Devestators above sea level! Doug Champlin found one but would not divulge the location as the US Navy has laid claim to it and any sunken USN ship or aircraft and would seize it if recovered. Champlin want to trade the Devastator for a couple of the 'great lakes' Wildcats.

However, there is enough by way of drawings and photos to do the Devasator.

GerritJ9
08-19-2004, 10:48 AM
The Hawker Hurricane IIB was used over Singapore, Sumatra and Java as well as Burma and is in FB already.

Zeke52c
08-19-2004, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by polkku:
over 30 flyable planes is surely good news BUT.
when I look at that list there are only few Japanese planes. This makes me think that the ACTUAL planeset of flyables in PF will be more even.

I mean who would want a game with 25 US planes and few models of Zero, some 44 or 45 model Jap fighter plane and one Jap bomber.

I have newer flown a japanese bomber in a sim and I surely am waiting for it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I could not agree more. From the list we've seen, granted its not final, but this game should be called US fighters. I honestly believed that as it was being done by europeans this time (it is isn't it?), we'd have a more balanced airwar in this theatre. I'd hoped to actually see, for once, the Far East/CBI represented. This would be good news for US fans too, as they had a forgotten airforce in the CBI as well. I applaude the inclusion of Singapore, and pray the Hurricane 11 is there as well as the Buffalo. But what of the Japanese in that campaign? We must have at least one of the following bombers - Ann, Sonia, Lily or Sally to make it balanced and accurate. The Ki-43-1 is there at least. I'd love to fly the Sally, and operate as bombardier - that would be worth buying the game for.

Zeke52c
08-19-2004, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
Do you wanna see my full flyable wish list? Here goes...

A-26 Invader
A5M "Claude"
B-17 Flying Fortress
B-24 Liberator
B-26 Marauder
B-29 Superfortress
B5M "Mabel/Kate 61"
B5N "Kate"
B6N Tenzan "Jill"
B7A Ryusei "Grace"
D4Y Suisei "Judy"
E7K "Alf"
E8N "Dave"
E13A "Jake"
F1M "Pete"
G3M "Nell"
H6K "Mavis"
H8K "Emily"
J1N Gekko "Irving"
J2M Raiden "Jack"
Ki-21 "Sally"
Ki-27 "Nate"
Ki-30 "Ann"
Ki-36
Ki-44 Shoki "Tojo"
Ki-45 Toryu "Nick"
Ki-48 "Lily"
Ki-49 Donryu "Helen"
Ki-51 "Sonia"
Ki-67 Hiryu "Peggy"
Ki-100
Ki-102 "Randy"
OS2U Kingfisher
P-61 Black Widow
P1Y Ginga "Frances"
PB2Y Coronado
PB4Y Liberator/Privateer
PBM Mariner
PBY Catalina
PV Ventura
SB2C Helldiver
SB2U Vindicator
SOC Seagull
TBD Devastator
TBF Avenger

And all the craft of England and the Commonwealth, but I'm not sure which of their planes was in the Pacific and which stayed in Europe.

Hopefully many of these will become flyable sometime.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah! this guy knows what he's talking about - the ultimate Pacific/Far East flight sim. Are you reading UBI?
These are my cannot do withouts-
Japan Navy-Zeros 21, 32 and 52. Rufe. Nell. G4M1 and G4M2 Betty. Frances. Val. Kate. Judy. Jill. Mavis or Emily. Pete.
Japan Army-Oscar. Tony. Tojo. Nick. Frank. Sally. Helen or Peggy. Dinah.
USN-Wildcat. Hellcat.Corsair.Dauntless.Avenger.Helldiver. I can live without the Devastator (bad name!). Catalina.
USMC-Corsair.
USAAF-P-40E and N. P-39. P-38F and L. P-47D and N. P-51D. B-25D and J. B-24. B-29.
RAF-Buffalo. Hurricane 11. Spit Vb and V111. Beaufighter. Vengeance.
FAA-Corsair. Seafire. Firefly. Avenger.

And thetres of war-
Burma 1941-45. The ONLY long lasting campaign there is. For the RAF, AVG, USAAF and JAAF.
Singapore/Malaya 41-42.
Solomons 43-43.
New Guinea 42-44.
Philippines 41-42 and 44-45. 2 for price of 1 !
Marianas 44
Okinawa 45 - with Kamikazes please (and Philippines 44-45.)
Japan 44-45.
Midway 42.
Marshalls and Gilberts 43.
Truk 44.
Palembang 45. FAA carrier strikes.

I'm not bothered about places like Wake, Marcus, Iwo Jima etc. as these were very brief affairs - hardly worth the effort of building the scenery! Admittedly Palembang could be described that way, but its so refreshing! Palembang oil refineries were of far more strategic importance than some bypassed coral atoll or volcanic rock anyway.

If UBI come up with most of these i might just buy it. If they come up with Burma - I'll definately buy it!

sugaki
08-19-2004, 12:00 PM
I don't need too many Japanese planes, but I really want a flayable N1K1 Shiden/Shidenkai. Sticking with an A6M5 for the rest of the war would be painful--plus since the IJAAF will have the Ki-84 as flyable everybody will flock to there.

Judy/Jill as at least AI are a must. I don't want a Marianas Turkey shoot with Kates and Vals http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif A Ryusei (Grace) would be a much appreciated addition as well.

Surprised this hasn't been taken over and turned into a Bearcat thread yet :-p


-Aki

[This message was edited by sugaki on Thu August 19 2004 at 11:24 AM.]

Yellonet
08-19-2004, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sugaki:
Surprised this hasn't been taken over and turned into a Bearcat thread yet :-p<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think we got rid of the one (you know who I meanhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) That caused the "bearcat" incident http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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JG53Frankyboy
08-19-2004, 01:33 PM
it is whishlist time ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
so, here is mine :

IJNAF:
-J¤ger
A6M2 mod21
A6M3 mod32
A6M3 mod22
A6M5 mod52a
A6M5 mod52c
A6M2-N
J2M3
N1K1-J ore N1K2-J (prefer the first, earlier to fly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )
-Jabo/Stuka
D3A2
D4Y1
-Torpedo bomber
B5N2
B6N2

IJAAF
Ki43Ib
Ki43Ic
Ki43IIa
Ki44IIb
Ki61Ib
Ki61Ib Otsu (with MG151)
Ki61I KAIc
Ki84a
Ki84b
Ki100Ia
Jabo:
Ki45 (lot of armament options)

i dont need personally flyable japanes bombers, burning too easy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

USAAF
P-40E
P-40M
P-40N
P-39D/P-400
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L
P-47D-10
P-47D-27
P-51D
Jabo:
A-20 with MG nose
B-25G
B-25H
B-25J MG nose

US NAVY
F2A-3 (für midway)
F4F-3
F4F-4
F6F-3
F6F-5
F4U-1
F4U-1D
F4U-4
Stuka/Bomber
SBD
SB2C
TBF

sonstige alliierte
MohawkMkIV (RAF, dutch)
Brewster 339 (RAF, dutch)
CW21 (dutch)
Hurricane MkIIb
Spitfire MkVc
Spitfire MkVIII
Seafire L.MKIIIc
Beaufighter (Australier)
Firefly F.MkI


if flyable B24 , B29 , i personally dont care


AND AGAIN , its a PERSONALY whishlist !

Tater-SW-
08-19-2004, 05:13 PM
Any idea why the thread is updated, but on the forum thread list I see nothing after noon?

tater

Snootles
08-20-2004, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I don't need too many Japanese planes, but I really want a flayable N1K1 Shiden/Shidenkai. Sticking with an A6M5 for the rest of the war would be painful <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's already a certainty that the N1K1-J is flyable. We can only assume that also means the N1K2-J.

WereSnowleopard
08-20-2004, 12:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I don't need too many Japanese planes, but I really want a flayable N1K1 Shiden/Shidenkai. Sticking with an A6M5 for the rest of the war would be painful <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's already a certainty that the N1K1-J is flyable. We can only assume that also means the N1K2-J.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about A7M Reppu? It is big as P-47! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif

Cheers
Snowleopard

VW-IceFire
08-20-2004, 04:34 PM
Looking at the Japanese list and making comparisons between it and the US list...what we have there are a listing of several versions of US aircraft but only a single one for the Japanese. We can with a great degree of certainty believe that the Japanese units will come with some versions of their own. We've already got 3 Ki-84's and 2 Zero's. Add the A6M3 and probably what will be a couple of new versions of the A6M5 (a, b, c with different armament). Plus the Ki-61 which will have at least 3 different versions (mostly armament and other minor changes) and the Oscar, one of the most prolific Japanese Army fighters of the war, will probably show up in several versions, and right away you're equalling the US representation which is based on the same thing (with a couple of Corsair and Hellcat versions for instance).

So I wouldn't worry.

Plus for those of us with real interest, the Spitfire and Seafir not to mention the Beaufighter will be great.

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Maj_Death
08-20-2004, 04:54 PM
My main concern is the lack of torpedo and dive bombers. Those are absolutely critical to the pacific.

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LEXX_Luthor
08-20-2004, 06:07 PM
Need Flyable SB bomber

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>you mean SB2C<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
no http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif


Single seat pilot pit with Vee windscreen, like B~58 Hustler, would feel like fighter plane

P~38 had racing wheel too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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unseen84
08-20-2004, 07:49 PM
Like others have mentioned, it will be extremely disappointing if the Judy and Jill aren't in the game. I mean, if they're going to put in 3 versions each of the Wildcat & Corsair, they could at least include a Judy and a Jill. I don't expect them to be flyable, but they've got to at least be in there as ai-only. The Turkey Shoot won't be the Turkey Shoot without them.

I'd like to see the D3A2 as well, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

polkku
08-21-2004, 02:50 PM
Well it surely starts to look BAD!
I mean Pacific Fighters will have tons of fighters (hence the name Pacific Fighters I suppose) and only few bombers. One or two / side. And most of the fighters are from US side.

So it seems that PF will give very little to bombers since most of the bomber models are AI. As someone mentioned earlier, PF will have emphasis on bombers, but he forgot to add that the bombers will be AI and you must escort or intercept them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif .

The FB/AEP already has the problem of only having a couple of different bombers (IL-2, TB-3, HE-111 and Ju-87) and I would REALLY hate to see the same thing carry on to PF.

p.s. WHY OH WHY MUST ALL THE 3D MODELLERS BE FIGHTER FANS http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

toutin
08-21-2004, 07:45 PM
less complex airplanes, single seat, more documents, more surviving models (more built) and things like that I guess.

Eraser_tr
08-21-2004, 09:17 PM
What about the CAC Boomerang? I heard that one mentioned before, please make that flyable!?

oh yes and a few flyables from really early in the pacific would be cool(F3F, P-36A/C, P-35A, P-26A)

Nimits
08-21-2004, 11:20 PM
This is silly, not putting a TBD just because there are none around to copy the cockpit interior from. There are dozens of photos and illustrations in varios books, internet, etc. Who bloody cares if one little switch or button is off! I would be a of alot better to put a TBD in with a little bit of guesswork which might not be necessary if enough photos are found and nobody would know any different any way since there would be know way to show it was wrong). As for FM, well, if they could stick the goofy Go-229 in FB, then they can definately build TBD FM.

It is not like we are talking some little known low production plane. If there is now flyable TBD (and no B6N, D4Y, and SB2C at all), my desire to by this product will be dramatically reduced.

StratosPadme
08-22-2004, 03:16 AM
What about the Nomonhan incidents?? We have almost all the planes, we only need the Ki-10 Perry and the Ki-27 Nate, can be great also the Cr-32 for Chinese. This addition can offer lots of thins for Russian army lovers but also for a potential Chinese Market

Obi_Kwiet
08-22-2004, 07:30 AM
We have so maney fighters it isn't funny. I want the SB2c, the jill, and the judy, and all of the other major dive bombers, and tp bomers.

WereSnowleopard
08-23-2004, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StratosPadme:
What about the Nomonhan incidents?? We have almost all the planes, we only need the Ki-10 Perry and the Ki-27 Nate, can be great also the Cr-32 for Chinese. This addition can offer lots of thins for Russian army lovers but also for a potential Chinese Market<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, as HUGE in Chinese market.

Mjoelner63
08-23-2004, 08:10 AM
Anyone know if those P40B's will be with AVG rated engines ?
The Allisons of the AVG were like blueprint engines and handmeassuret as well as hand assembled with an average of 200 horsepower more than the production ones. The AVG used up a lot of reductiongears as they were rated for the 1100 hp production Allisons and not the 1300 hp hand assembled Allisons the AVG had in their P40B's.
Furthermore......The P40B's of the AVG lacked some armor compared to the standard P40B which made it a lighter ship as well as a tough opponent to the nimble Japanese fighters it encountered.
Quote from Erik Shilling former AVG pilot: We outturned them Zekes above 25000 feet due to the 200 extra hp.

Cheers all
Mj......

hernanyork
08-23-2004, 01:01 PM
HEY DONT FORGET
P26 BEANSHOOTER
P43 LANCER
P66 VANGUARD
B18 BOLO
B17C
HURRAWAYS AUSTRALIAN
AND FOR ESTERN DUTCHS
DO24
MARTIN 139
FX
B331
CW21
PBY

I HOPE TO SEE THIS BIRTHS IN PF SOMEDAY
PAZ Y AMOR
STALIN

Nimits
08-23-2004, 05:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hernanyork:
HEY DONT FORGET
P26 BEANSHOOTER
P43 LANCER
P66 VANGUARD
B18 BOLO
B17C
HURRAWAYS AUSTRALIAN
AND FOR ESTERN DUTCHS
DO24
MARTIN 139
FX
B331
CW21
PBY

I HOPE TO SEE THIS BIRTHS IN PF SOMEDAY
PAZ Y AMOR
STALIN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's an "FX"?

junkers188
08-23-2004, 06:34 PM
I'm surprise nobody has mentioned the Kyushu J7W1 Shinden in their wishlits, it's must for this game if you ask me.

http://www.ijnafpics.com/JB&W/J7W-5s.jpg

Nimits
08-23-2004, 07:58 PM
not before the TBD, SB2C, B6N, and D4Y its not.

Copperhead310th
08-23-2004, 10:41 PM
Kyushu J7W1 Shinden was a prototype that never saw combat. lets not repeat in PF the mistake of having the 109Z. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

FYI:The Shinden was an all metal airplane with a 2,000 hp Mitsubishi Ha 43-42 eighteen cylinder aircooled radial engine mounted in the rear, driving a 6-blade propeller. The front-mounted horizontal surface acted as an elevator for flight control, and vertical fins were attached at mid-span. Small auxiliary wheels were added to the base of each fin to prevent tail damage upon landing. A tricycle landing gear folded into the wings and nose section. On 3 August, 1945, this strange-looking craft took to the air for the first time after many delays in acquiring necessary parts and solving some of the engine ground-cooling problems. The second and last of the two short flights was completed just as the war came to an end. Total flying time for the Shinden was approximately 45 minutes. Of the few items to be corrected was the strong torque pull to the right on takeoff and noticeable vibration in the propeller and its extended drive shaft. Solutions were underway to correct these problems, but both would have been negated by the planned use of the 1 ,984 Ib thrust Ne 130 turbojet for an advanced model which was to have been the J7W2 Shinden Kai.



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faustnik
08-23-2004, 11:55 PM
Gotta agree with Copperhead on this one. There are plenty of a/c that saw combat to model before they get to the experimental types. My preference is always for aircraft that can be used in historical scenarios.

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Exzipion
08-24-2004, 01:45 AM
Please, no more Go-229, 109Z, P-80 and other residual and fictional planes while not included realistic planes...

Sakai9745
08-24-2004, 03:50 AM
Another good source for photo references would be Squadron/Signal Publications. I use them for modeling, and they are invaluable for the fine details of a cockpit. I do believe there is a specific issue for the TBD.

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junkers188
08-24-2004, 03:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There are plenty of a/c that saw combat to model before they get to the experimental types.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree, they should concentrate on aircrafts that saw action first. But still, for multiplayer use only it would be a cool plane to have.

wuggle85
08-24-2004, 04:00 PM
i think we should have go 229 109z p80 and shiden i mean its not like anyones forcing you to fly them

carriers what carriers there are no carriers in pacific fighters (baghdad bob aka comical ali)

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Tater-SW-
08-24-2004, 04:11 PM
The first production P-80 was delived to the USAAF in February of 1945, actually. It was ramped up for mass production before the war ended.

30 of them were stationed in the Philipines for the planned invasion of Japan. They didn't have their tip-tanks, so they languished until they arrived and were installed (without them they lacked the range to get to Japan and back). By then the war was over, but they would certainly have been flown in combat missions had Japan been invaded in November.

I don't know about the 109Z or Go-229, but FWIW, the P-80 was being assembled in numbers, and given US plane production rates, would have seen service in Japan for sure, above and beyond the 30 already in theater.

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Nimits
08-24-2004, 04:34 PM
It's not that we don't want the P-80, etc, it is just that would rather first have flyables that actully make sense in the context of the game, such as Pe-8, TBD, B6N, etc,

Copperhead310th
08-24-2004, 07:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nimits:
It's not that we don't want the P-80, etc, it is just that would rather first have flyables that actully make sense in the context of the game, such as Pe-8, TBD, B6N, etc,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, i think the P-80 quallifies to be included in the initail realease. there is after all the Yokosuka MXY7 "Ohka" to contend with. not to mention there is no development time to invest in an aircraft that is already compleate exept for modeling the wingtip tanks. and Gibbage could wip those up in under 20 mins. i'm sure.

Tell you what. i'll buy into the whole Kyushu J7W1 Shinden idea provided 3 conditions.

(1) Enough FACTUAL flight data and DM Data can be provided to Oleg to make the aircraft perform as historically correct as possible.

(2) The USAAF gets the P-82 Twin Mustang.

(3) both are held up for after the inital relase and planed for an add on or a patch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Both Aircraft were either near ready or ready and not able to see combat due to Japans surrender.

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Snootles
08-24-2004, 07:16 PM
Yeah, I love "what-if" planes, provided four things:

1. Their integration into the game does not take time and effort away from historical combat planes being implemented.

2. There is enough information around to do them right.

3. Play sides are roughly balanced (for instance, you can't put late Japanese planes like the Shiden and A7M Reppu in and not give the US planes like the P-51H, P-80A, P-82B, F8F Bearcat, etc.

4. There is a good alternate "what-if" 1945/1946 campaign in there so their inclusion actually makes sense and has purpose. Would be real interesting to have a grand, massive campaign spanning the course of the war. It would be possible, sans atomic weaponry, to carry the war another year. Especially if, as a Japanese flyer, you contribute to the prevention of any of several historic defeats for the Japanese.

Giganoni
08-24-2004, 10:28 PM
Hehe, no planes that didn't fly in combat, until they bother to make a flyable Toryu. I know the Ki-46 will be a cool AI plane, but..oh well, at least I get the Ki-43.

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Zeke52c
08-25-2004, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by unseen84:
Like others have mentioned, it will be extremely disappointing if the Judy and Jill aren't in the game. I mean, if they're going to put in 3 versions each of the Wildcat & Corsair, they could at least include a Judy and a Jill. I don't expect them to be flyable, but they've got to at least be in there as ai-only. The Turkey Shoot won't be the Turkey Shoot without them.

I'd like to see the D3A2 as well, but I'm not getting my hopes up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

EXACTLY!
This is hitting the nail on the head alright. These 2 IJN carrier bombers are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for this theatre.
As you say, the Marianas carrier battle/island campaign of June 1944 would be dead without them. D3A1 Vals in light grey will just not do!
It doesnt matter if they are flyable, but AI models are needed.
Not only that, but the Judy in particular was one of the 2 commonest mounts for the Navy Kamikaze pilots, the other being Zero 52, so if Kamikazes are included, then the Judy is very important on two counts!

VFA-195 Snacky
08-25-2004, 12:03 PM
I am a little curious why the TBM avenger is not flyable?? I'm thankfull for the Devastator, but I was really looking forward to the Avenger and making torpedo runs.

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IV_JG51_Razor
08-25-2004, 01:25 PM
What's all the hand ringing about for the TBF or the Kate?!! Has anybody from the developers yet come out and said that they aren't going to be flyable? Go back and read Snootles' post. It clearly states that this list IS NOT FINAL. Everybody in here needs to get a grip, and settle down. There's plenty of time between now and when it comes out. You can be sure that they aren't sitting at home on their backsides reading this forum, they're busting their backsides building us cockpits! ....I hope http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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Aaron_GT
08-25-2004, 03:12 PM
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Aaron_GT
08-25-2004, 03:31 PM
I'm a bit bemused as to why the Hurrican and Blenheim are not on the list, as both were used.

It would be very nice to see a Firefly in the list (a very good long range strike fighter).

Aaron_GT
08-25-2004, 03:32 PM
The Avenger/TBM/TBF would be nice. There was one at an airshow last weekend. I'd have asked to get some shots of the cockpit if I'd known. Mind you, it didn't have the dorsal turret fitted.

Baco-ECV56
08-25-2004, 03:42 PM
I Agree, Every Dive Bomber and Torpedo Bomber is a must in the initial releas. What is the point of having fighter af all kind if we don´t get the tools to sink those carriers or bomb tose bases..

Air superiority was won to aloud the bombers to do their job.

Yes we have a few, but to have the wrong bomber torpedo bomber, for the wrong time span, / mission , is the biggest inmersion killer of all.

So lets hope we get our flyable TBs and DB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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unseen84
08-25-2004, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
I am a little curious why the TBM avenger is not flyable?? I'm thankfull for the Devastator, but I was really looking forward to the Avenger and making torpedo runs.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I think its the other way around. The TBF/TBM will be flyable, and the TBD won't.

Nimits
08-26-2004, 12:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IV_JG51_Razor:
What's all the hand ringing about for the TBF or the Kate?!! Has anybody from the developers yet come out and said that they aren't going to be flyable? Go back and read Snootles' post. It clearly states that this list _IS NOT FINAL_. Everybody in here needs to get a grip, and settle down. There's plenty of time between now and when it comes out. You can be sure that they aren't sitting at home on their backsides reading this forum, they're busting their backsides building us cockpits! ....I hope http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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I don't necessarily think the problem is they don't have the time to make them (although, admittedly, any plane they have not started work on already is porbably not going to make an October release). The problem is they are choosing not to make some of these planes (or make them flyable) because the perfectionists among them do not believe there is enough info on FM or cockpits available (an evaluation I strongly disagree with).

Mind you, this is all second hand information of I have gleaned or been told on this forum, none of it from the head guys of PF itself, but still, it is discouraging . . .

WUAF_Badsight
08-26-2004, 01:54 AM
i want a Shinden

it has 30mm (or was supposed too) so im sure CopperHead will want them in PF too

BTW CH . . . . . the turbofan Shinden wouldnt have been any faster than the propeller version , just slower accellerating http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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xanty
08-26-2004, 05:18 AM
If we get flyable SBD, TBF, B5N Kate and D3Y Val... What other Tb and DB should we get that were very used and considered essential?
Helldiver? Jill?

I know the D4Y was not very used as DB and even if I like its design... it was not employed that much...

As a final note, I would preffer to get the bulk of the fighters, bombers and utility planes than prototypes.

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08-26-2004, 06:01 AM
But there were about twice as many 'Judys' built than 'Jills'. Of course...id rather have 'em both http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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08-26-2004, 09:59 AM
"I don't necessarily think the problem is they don't have the time to make them (although, admittedly, any plane they have not started work on already is porbably not going to make an October release). The problem is they are choosing not to make some of these planes (or make them flyable) because the perfectionists among them do not believe there is enough info on FM or cockpits available (an evaluation I strongly disagree with).

Mind you, this is all second hand information of I have gleaned or been told on this forum, none of it from the head guys of PF itself, but still, it is discouraging . . ."

Nimits,

I'm inclined to agree with the bulk of your statement, however I don't necessarily agree with your contention that their choices have been made based on available information on cockpits and FMs. I only say this because we don't know what choices they have made yet. I do, however whole hartedly agree with your sentiment expressed about the "perfectionists". I realize that this is a limitation placed on all the modelers by Oleg himself, but I feel the same way about it as you do. Here we have a flight simulation that simply wreaks with detail, both graphically, as well as "mechanically", and yet you are allowed to turn off the cockpit completely! The bomb sight of the He-111 is modeled beautifully, and yet there is no key command to open the bomb bay doors! Sometimes I wish Oleg would relax his requirements for accuracy so that we might enjoy some of the less popular planes of WWII that aren't around any more for us to see. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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huggy87
08-26-2004, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
Hehe, no planes that didn't fly in combat, until they bother to make a flyable Toryu. I know the Ki-46 will be a cool AI plane, but..oh well, at least I get the Ki-43.

http://img74.photobucket.com/albums/v225/giganoni/IL2/giganoni2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to agree with you. I don't know why but the Ki-45 has always been attractive to me.

Nimits
08-26-2004, 01:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IV_JG51_Razor:
"I don't necessarily think the problem is they don't have the time to make them (although, admittedly, any plane they have not started work on already is porbably not going to make an October release). The problem is they are choosing not to make some of these planes (or make them flyable) because the perfectionists among them do not believe there is enough info on FM or cockpits available (an evaluation I strongly disagree with).

Mind you, this is all second hand information of I have gleaned or been told on this forum, none of it from the head guys of PF itself, but still, it is discouraging . . ."

Nimits,

I'm inclined to agree with the bulk of your statement, however I don't necessarily agree with your contention that their choices have been made based on available information on cockpits and FMs. I only say this because we don't know what choices they have made yet. I do, however whole hartedly agree with your sentiment expressed about the "perfectionists". I realize that this is a limitation placed on all the modelers by Oleg himself, but I feel the same way about it as you do. Here we have a flight simulation that simply wreaks with detail, both graphically, as well as "mechanically", and yet you are allowed to turn off the cockpit completely! The bomb sight of the He-111 is modeled beautifully, and yet there is no key command to open the bomb bay doors! Sometimes I wish Oleg would relax his requirements for accuracy so that we might enjoy some of the less popular planes of WWII that aren't around any more for us to see. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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I a, only repeating what I have been told by second hand sources. If they are (hopefully) wrong and the TBD, SB2C D4Y and B6N are planned to be flyable, no one will be more pleased than I.

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-27-2004, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
Not sure, but I'm almost positive flyable PBJ means flyable Air Force B-25's too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmmm...and I thought PBJ was an acronym for Peanut butter and Jelly sandwiches.

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Dr_shang
08-27-2004, 03:18 PM
Realistic combat fligh simulator on Pacific Theatre MUST BE HAVE flyable based-carrier representative on conflict: Zero, Kate, Val and Wildcat, Dauntless, Devastator for earlier operations, and Zero, Jill, Judy and Corsair, Avenger, Helldiver por late operations.

No more fictional and residual planes, please, style Go229, P-80, or similar...

Pentallion
09-16-2004, 05:08 PM
Yep shang, it wouldn't be much of a Pacific sim without at least those planes flyable.

Obi_Kwiet
09-16-2004, 05:16 PM
Oh, but we do have 46,000 varities of the F4U F6F and F4F. Along with some obscure Japanise super AC. *moronic grin*

Snootles
09-16-2004, 09:16 PM
I've done some webcrawling (looking at previews) and these are my new flyable finds:

A6M8/other late model Zeroes (unconfirmed)
B-29 Superfortress (maybe, just maybe...)
B5N "Kate" (if not at release, then in early patch)
Ki-43-II Hayabusa "Oscar"
PBY Catalina (as a patch or add-on)
TBF Avenger

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Red_Russian13
09-17-2004, 03:39 PM
Looks like a pretty sweet list. Can't wait to try them out...all of them!

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