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BlitzPig_Ritter
05-25-2004, 06:47 AM
A crucial fighter for the night war in the later years, anybody know if there is any effort to model this puppy?

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BlitzPig_Ritter
05-25-2004, 06:47 AM
A crucial fighter for the night war in the later years, anybody know if there is any effort to model this puppy?

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necrobaron
05-25-2004, 10:59 AM
Hey Ritter... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


I believe PlaneEater is modelling one,but it's all hush-hush.

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BlitzPig_Ritter
05-25-2004, 12:09 PM
excellent. I sort of have a thing for multi-engined fighters.

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Tater-SW-
05-25-2004, 01:08 PM
They'd need a darker night, and some way to model radar as well, I'd think.

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VW-IceFire
05-25-2004, 02:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
They'd need a darker night, and some way to model radar as well, I'd think.

tater<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are you kidding...its bloody dark at night. I can't see a thing.

Some areas (correctly) model the never setting sun with a glow still visible even at midnight. This is consistent with some of the more northerly maps.

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PlaneEater
05-25-2004, 02:30 PM
Necrrrrooo! SHHHH!!

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05-25-2004, 03:16 PM
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Copperhead310th
05-25-2004, 09:48 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifall i can say is you are all in for a big surprise. lol

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necrobaron
05-25-2004, 10:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlaneEater:
Necrrrrooo! SHHHH!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whoopsy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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BlitzPig_Ritter
05-26-2004, 09:19 AM
Actually, I'll fly the sucker in the day too. Oh, and I'm more interested in the P-61B than the A.

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No105_Swoose
05-26-2004, 09:59 AM
The Black Widow would make a great addition to PF. It would be challenging to model the radar set, but if jet sims can have air intercept radars why not a World War Two prop sim?

Here's a link to P-61 info from the Smithsonian National Air & Space Museum:

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/northrop_p61.htm

BlitzPig_Ritter
05-26-2004, 11:14 AM
A turreted version would be best. As I understand it the pilot could sink the four .50's with the normol forward guns and deliver one hell of a punch.

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Copperhead310th
05-26-2004, 09:55 PM
yep they COULD be locked in the forward postion . they also were permantly locked in the forward postion on some of the latter models.

As for radar....it's not that big of a deal. we already have it now in AEP. mini-map icons. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Tater-SW-
05-26-2004, 09:59 PM
"As I understand it the pilot could sink the four .50's with the normol forward guns and deliver one hell of a punch."

I think some of the B-25s (notably the H) could do this as well.

tater

BlitzPig_Ritter
05-27-2004, 07:48 AM
I've heard that too Tater.

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avimimus
05-27-2004, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
"As I understand it the pilot could sink the four .50's with the normol forward guns and deliver one hell of a punch."

I think some of the B-25s (notably the H) could do this as well.

tater<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What about the early versions with a dorsal AND a ventral turret! Great daylight intruder!

BlitzPig_Ritter
05-27-2004, 01:24 PM
I've never seen a B-25 with a Ventral turret. Can you give a pic?

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Ruy Horta
05-27-2004, 01:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_Ritter:
A crucial fighter for the night war in the later years, anybody know if there is any effort to model this puppy?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As long as PF is a very limited AEP spin off, as in having practically the same code without radar and engine exhaust flames, the P-61 will be an a/c in a vacuum not able to generate an interesting mission profile (much like the Catalina, which will be nothing else but a slow bomber capable of taking off from water...).

These planes need more than the current game engine, and having carriers doesn't help.

Radar and the means of visual identification / target acquirement by night are essential. Otherwise why actually bother, just another waste of resources (like may a third party "exotic").

Don't get me wrong I love the Cat, but it will offer nothing to the game play, neither on- or offline, other than a frustrating ride: slow, big target...

The P-61 leaves me cold actually, especially without radar, rather see a couple of a/c which can have a role in the current environment.

Ruy Horta

Copperhead310th
05-27-2004, 09:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_Ritter:
Actually, I'll fly the sucker in the day too. Oh, and I'm more interested in the P-61B than the A.

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Oh yeah i missed that last night! lol
FYI Ritter they called those day light flights "Squint Hops" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

usually to tune in the radar..& it was hotter than 7 hells inside a p-61 in the PTO. Often times they'd do S&R & recon while they were out on "Squint Hops"

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necrobaron
05-27-2004, 10:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_Ritter:
I've never seen a B-25 with a Ventral turret. Can you give a pic?
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Play AEP updated with the latest patch and you'll see the ventral turrets. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
05-28-2004, 07:31 AM
Do you mean dorsal turrets? The AEP B-25's are later models with the Dorsal turret placed towards the rear. A ventral turret suggests a belly gunner.

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Zyzbot
05-28-2004, 08:24 AM
No...he means ventral turret:

The most readily-noticeable difference was the introduction on the B-25B of a Bendix L-type power-operated turret installed on the top of the rear fuselage which carried a pair of 0.50-inch machine guns. In addition, a pair of 0.50-inch machine guns were mounted in a solid Bendix remotely-controlled ventral turret. This turret could be retracted into the belly when not in use, the gun barrels fitting into slots in the fuselage when the turret was in the fully up position.
The retractable ventral turret was generally disliked by the Mitchell crews. The guns were sighted by a complex periscope system of lenses and mirrors mounted on the top of the turret's center column. A kneeling gunner aimed the guns by looking through the periscope sight eyepiece and directed the guns by operating a dual hand control. The optical sighting system was clumsy and cumbersome for gunners to use. Cramped in an awkward kneeling position and peering through the sight, the gunner could not see what his hands were doing, and he could not see the barrels of his weapons in his sight. The gunner often became dizzy when tracking enemy fighters through the sight, and he sometimes got so disoriented and nauseous that he could not even fire his guns. In addition, the turret took 55 seconds to be lowered into place and set up for firing. If lowered too quickly, the retracting micro switch could be damaged, jamming the turret in the down position and creating excessive aerodynamic drag. In addition, the ventral turret often collected mud and dust when operating from unimproved airfields, which obscured its sighting system. The system was usually considered more trouble than it was worth, and was generally removed by combat units in the field, saving 600 pounds in weight and providing useful space for a long-range fuel tank.

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XyZspineZyX
05-28-2004, 09:34 AM
Wow, I honestly never knew about that.

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necrobaron
05-28-2004, 12:28 PM
We have 4 B-25 varients. The B-25C and G (which are early model B-25s) both have the ventral turret. The B-25J and H(which are later models) do not.

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CaptJodan
05-28-2004, 04:37 PM
Since I'm pretty sure we'll never see a flyable A-26, Bearcat (possible, I suppose) or Tigercat, my only hope really lies in the P-61. I have a thing for twin fighters as well (still can't thank Gib enough for the wonderful 38), and this aircraft isn't well represented in other sims in the past. Here's hoping.

BSS_Vidar
05-28-2004, 04:42 PM
Flying a coop on line with a three man crew in this jewel would be awesome!

Hope they put it in.

S!

BSS_Vidar

necrobaron
05-28-2004, 11:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CaptJodan:
Since I'm pretty sure we'll never see a flyable A-26, Bearcat (possible, I suppose) or Tigercat, my only hope really lies in the P-61. I have a thing for twin fighters as well (still can't thank Gib enough for the wonderful 38), and this aircraft isn't well represented in other sims in the past. Here's hoping.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you feel we won't get any A-26s?

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