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ProletariatPleb
06-27-2013, 01:11 PM
"I hope to get it back and finish it for you," former Ubisoft designer tells crowd


Speaking during a session at the Gamelab conference in Barcelona this week, the former Assassin's Creed creative director said he hopes to one day finish the title.


"I'm fighting for it, and that's all I can say for now. It's all those years of experience put together," he said, as quoted by GamesIndustry.biz
"I'm sorry guys, it was amazing. And it still is amazing, and I hope to get it back and finish it for you - and for me."
Désilets quit Ubisoft in 2010 to establish THQ Montreal, but later saw his team and their in-development project acquired by his former employer.
He is now suing Ubisoft for $400,000, claiming that Ubisoft terminated his contract against his will and "unceremoniously escorted" him out of the building.




Sauce - http://www.computerandvideogames.com...-amazing-1666/


Digital


"Right now we are at a crossroads in our industry," Desilets admitted, standing before a screen displaying the many disruptive influences that have upended the world of console development. "But I don't believe the AAA blockbuster will die. Maybe the way it is distributed will change, but it won't die."


Desilets suggested that it is in the structure of the AAA industry that its salvation could be found - i.e. how the games are distributed and sold. He stated that, "eventually AAA will make money again," and went on to assert that, "the future is digital all the way."




"Yeah, games come on disc, and I get it guys you were really pissed off," he said, presumably referring to the huge backlash that greeted Microsoft's now scrapped licensing policies for the Xbox One. "But, deep down, nobody cares about not having CDs any more. The future is digital, and there's nothing you can do about it."


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-27-desilets-eventually-aaa-games-will-make-money-again

x___Luffy___x
06-27-2013, 02:08 PM
On an unrelated topic

well, every game i own is on a disc. never actually bought any game digitally and prefer it that way.

and yes i am a PC gamer.

Ureh
06-27-2013, 02:54 PM
Also on a unrelated note, physical and digital both have their advantages and I really don't mind if everything goes digital. One of the problems is that a lot of people have snail internet. We're talking about downloading files that number in the dozens (or even hundreds) of gigabytes... that'll take hours if not days. My family needs to use the internet as well and I can't be bogging it down for them.

He should ask Ubisoft if they can release screenshots or trailers of 1666. See what the reaction is instead of letting it gather dust maybe.

kosmoscreed
06-27-2013, 03:44 PM
The situation with this game sucks big time, why can they finish it and release it?, or give it to Patrice and split the profit between Ubi and him. There must be a solution to have this game in the stores.

ze_topazio
06-27-2013, 03:48 PM
Fight da powa!


I prefer physical games, i like to see the cases looking beautiful on my shelf, i don't like the idea of paying a lot of money for a bunch of bytes i can't touch.

ProletariatPleb
06-27-2013, 04:03 PM
Fight da powa!


I prefer physical games, i like to see the cases looking beautiful on my shelf, i don't like the idea of paying a lot of money for a bunch of bytes i can't touch.
Good on you, even tho I live in a country with **** internet, lol digital is the future, no doubt about it. I think I'm fine with that idea because I get to play my games on any machine as long as I have my account, no disk required. Plus it won't get 'damaged'

Bastiaen
06-27-2013, 05:11 PM
I'm nearly equal in my preference between disc and digital, leaning slightly more towards digital. I agree that it is a shame that microsoft had to undo all the great progress they were making with the Xbox One, a console that was meant to save the AAA blockbuster industry. Would you rather pay your money to gamestop, or to the people that actually made the game?

ze_topazio
06-27-2013, 05:11 PM
I will accept the future, not that i have any other choice, but can't say I'm happy about it.

My Mega Drive/Genesis games still work, same for most of my PS1 games, you just have to be careful with them, of course, even when you're careful, a disaster might happen.

ProletariatPleb
06-27-2013, 05:22 PM
Can we get back on topic? Patrice is fighting the good fight!

ze_topazio
06-27-2013, 05:33 PM
I'm nearly equal in my preference between disc and digital, leaning slightly more towards digital. I agree that it is a shame that microsoft had to undo all the great progress they were making with the Xbox One, a console that was meant to save the AAA blockbuster industry. Would you rather pay your money to gamestop, or to the people that actually made the game?

People have been trading art since forever without paying a cent to the original artist or his descendants, kids have been giving their old toys to younger brothers, cousins, random kids without paying a cent to the original makers, when i buy some potatoes and invite someone for dinner, that person doesn't have to pay a cent to the farmer that originally plant them, and why? because when you buy something that things becomes yours and you are entitled to do whatever you want with it, including selling that thing to somebody else, and the person that bought that from you have the right to enjoy whatever he bought.

If the video game industry wants to forbid you from re-selling the stuff you bought and own, they should stop selling altogether and start to just rent instead.

ProletariatPleb
06-27-2013, 05:59 PM
Well this thread isn't getting back on topic...so screw that...I'll edit the title.


The last time I traded games with someone as a PC gamers was...........never. I really don't see the issue here tbh.

Also, if I am 'entitled' then I'll go around distributing copies of it...why? because I am 'entitled to it'....it's a really grey area.

And about trading art, videogames as an art is entirely subjective.

ze_topazio
06-27-2013, 06:04 PM
I'm not talking about making copies, just selling the copy you own.

ProletariatPleb
06-27-2013, 06:07 PM
I'm not talking about making copies, just selling the copy you own.
I wouldn't mind the ability to do that.

But what do you think of your digital future? I'm absolutely fine with it if the future is like Steam's service(if only they could make their client less bloated)

x___Luffy___x
06-27-2013, 06:45 PM
i like having a physical copy of my game and i dont have a good internet, so its really a huge trouble for me to reinstall a game if it is a digital download considering that the games are now of such huge size.

and i think having a game on a disc is an advantage for people like me who dont have a fast internet.
and even if i somehow damage my disc i can still download digitally if i have that game in my account but it will take an awful lot of time.

twenty_glyphs
06-27-2013, 08:05 PM
I'm nearly equal in my preference between disc and digital, leaning slightly more towards digital. I agree that it is a shame that microsoft had to undo all the great progress they were making with the Xbox One, a console that was meant to save the AAA blockbuster industry. Would you rather pay your money to gamestop, or to the people that actually made the game?

I would rather pay my money to the developers and publishers than anyone else for video games, and hardly ever buy used games unless they're a year old or more. But when I have a choice between digital and physical and they both cost the same, I'm going with the physical product because it has more flexibility and thus holds more value. I can also drive to the store and back to buy a game before it can finish downloading on my console, so the digital distribution doesn't even beat it there yet. I do buy digital music, movies and books quite frequently, but digital music and movie distribution has become cheaper and more flexible than its physical counterpart. I will only buy digital books when they're cheaper than the physical books. That's hard to get these days because the digital versions are almost never on sale while the physical books are consistently available for less than the suggested retail price.

The Xbox One's vision was untenable because it required you to check in with Microsoft every day in order to keep using the products you had already paid for and because its game discs would have been digital downloads in disguise with none of the flexibility of physical media and none of the benefits of digital media, not because it tried to move to a more digital world. I would have stayed away from iTunes the same way as the Xbox One if it required a daily internet connection to be able to use music, movies, books and apps that I had paid for. As much as everyone wants the digital revolution to arrive, the internet is not always available yet, and I will not pay money for something with usage that is artificially limited because the company making it can't figure out a business model to make a healthy profit.

STDlyMcStudpants
06-27-2013, 08:36 PM
On an unrelated topic

well, every game i own is on a disc. never actually bought any game digitally and prefer it that way.

and yes i am a PC gamer.
same here..paying cash for a licence (not paying to actually OWN the game)..is just dumb
Heck I have made profit selling some of my older PS3 games just 4 years after their release..
Physical or gtfo! :D

Sushiglutton
06-27-2013, 08:53 PM
Hope he gets to finish it one day, I think it could have been a different kind of game. I doubt it though tbh. First it will take a couple of years to fight Ubi. When/if he gets the right the team will be long shattered and I suppose all the code will get destroyed by Ubi. So Desilet would need to find a new publisher who want to invest 20-50M (or whatever) in a new IP, which isn't all that easy. But hopefully he will find a way and the game will rock :).

For me digital all the way. It's just sooo convenient.

Gi1t
06-27-2013, 09:35 PM
My one issue with digital is that it sort of messes with the concept of ownership. With a disk, you buy it, you own it. End of story. If it exists in the cloud and can be accessed from any system, does it not belong to anyone with the information to access it? Currently, if you download a game and then can't get into your profile for some reason, you no longer own it.

Another thing that annoyed me about having a formal gaming profile was that data (not games, but game files) could not be copied individually anymore. You can technically make copies of files, but they cannot be accessed at all without the profile, so that profile is everything nad if somethig happens to it, you lose anything connected to it. I know games and systems are designed pretty well to try to prevent losing data of that kind, but things can still happen, and there's also the possibility of theft, which may become more common if people are forced to look for different ways to steal games.

My point is that if digital format is meant to be the future, I'd like to see some effort put into profile security. I don't want to have to put all my eggs in one basket that can be pulled away by one incident of data corruption or hacking. -__- It would be nice to have some sort of backup that I can physically hold in my hand. I've never damaged any of my games or lost any of them either. I take good care of them, so I don't consider it risky to have a physical backup of some kind to give you access to the stuff you own digitally.

lothario-da-be
06-27-2013, 09:37 PM
I don't care if ubi makes 1666 an ac game, i want to see and play it!

LoyalACFan
06-27-2013, 11:19 PM
I'm really rooting for Patrice, but they're gonna take the premise of 1666 and roll it into an AC game. Mark my words. I'd much rather get a bold new IP that stands on its own feet, but an AC game would be more profitable... Damn.

LoyalACFan
06-27-2013, 11:39 PM
My one issue with digital is that it sort of messes with the concept of ownership. With a disk, you buy it, you own it. End of story. If it exists in the cloud and can be accessed from any system, does it not belong to anyone with the information to access it? Currently, if you download a game and then can't get into your profile for some reason, you no longer own it.

Another thing that annoyed me about having a formal gaming profile was that data (not games, but game files) could not be copied individually anymore. You can technically make copies of files, but they cannot be accessed at all without the profile, so that profile is everything nad if somethig happens to it, you lose anything connected to it. I know games and systems are designed pretty well to try to prevent losing data of that kind, but things can still happen, and there's also the possibility of theft, which may become more common if people are forced to look for different ways to steal games.

My point is that if digital format is meant to be the future, I'd like to see some effort put into profile security. I don't want to have to put all my eggs in one basket that can be pulled away by one incident of data corruption or hacking. -__- It would be nice to have some sort of backup that I can physically hold in my hand. I've never damaged any of my games or lost any of them either. I take good care of them, so I don't consider it risky to have a physical backup of some kind to give you access to the stuff you own digitally.

I agree with you. I was thinking a while ago about those DVD's that store multiple movies... You know how you just pop it into the player and select which movie you want to watch? I envision something like that for games; a kind of storage device (disc, flash drive, doesn't really matter) that can hold many, many full games. Instead of buying material games, you'd digitally purchase a voucher for one download of said game, and have an option to either download it directly onto your game console or directly onto your storage device. But you couldn't export the full game from the storage device to the console to keep people from buying one copy and giving it to a bunch of other people for free.

ProletariatPleb
06-27-2013, 11:42 PM
I don't care if ubi makes 1666 an ac game, i want to see and play it!
No.

SixKeys
06-28-2013, 12:38 AM
I prefer my games digital these days. Mainly because it just saves a lot of space around the house.

captin_qwark7
06-28-2013, 12:40 AM
I'm a casual gamer (Yes, I said it. Feel free to bombard me with tomatoes -__- ) and I'm already concerned about the pitiful 500gbs on the PS4. I always buy physical discs and I just don't see how a 'hardcore' gamer let alone me would be able to solely rely on digital (Uncharted 3- 30gbs Uncharted 4-?60gbs?).
As much as I'd like to give all of my money to the developers especially as NZ retailers sell the most expensive games across the world, I'm stickin to discs until the end. Even just downloading the texture packs takes up a lot of space. God knows how much space the ps4 games will take up.

ProletariatPleb
06-28-2013, 01:01 AM
I'm a casual gamer (Yes, I said it. Feel free to bombard me with tomatoes -__- ) and I'm already concerned about the pitiful 500gbs on the PS4. I always buy physical discs and I just don't see how a 'hardcore' gamer let alone me would be able to solely rely on digital (Uncharted 3- 30gbs Uncharted 4-?60gbs?).
As much as I'd like to give all of my money to the developers especially as NZ retailers sell the most expensive games across the world, I'm stickin to discs until the end. Even just downloading the texture packs takes up a lot of space. God knows how much space the ps4 games will take up.
*calls in airstrikes*

30 GBs? Lol, now it makes sense, since the Bluray discs have a HUGE amount of space and current gen is trashy and has the 'graphics' comparable to abstract painting done by an amateur, the devs have been shoving uncompressed videos into the discs to justify the space capacity.

Needless to say, they will start encoding/compressing videos when the game stuff needs that space. Plus the benefit of digital is you own the game, doesn't matter if it's not on your HDD you can download it when needed.

Jexx21
06-28-2013, 01:41 AM
For the first time in a while, I agree with Sid.

Uncharted 3 probably doesn't need to take up near as much space as 30 GB. At the moment, games tend to average around 12 GB (at least the games I own), with my largest game being Dragon Age: Origins (with all DLC) at around 24 GB.

ProletariatPleb
06-28-2013, 01:42 AM
For the first time in a while, I agree with Sid.
Is that a good thing?

ArabianFrost
06-28-2013, 02:02 AM
Competition creates innovation from all the involved parties. You eliminate that, you get indifferently made milked games like the AC franchise. If there was a rival game after AC2, Ubisoft wouldn't have dared release rushed games like ACB, in fear of paling in comparison to the competing title. Also, a game like 1666, even if under Ubisoft's development would have somewhat guaranteed the 2 year release window we all waited for. We all know Ubisoft wouldn't release 1666 in the same year as AC, so somewhere along the line, AC would have taken a back seat.

People don't understand. By losing 1666 not only have we lost any chance for innovation in this genre , the Action/Adventure historical genre(lol Raven Cry), but we have lost any chance for AC ever being done right again.



As for Digital, i live in a country where it takes me 3 days to download 10 GB, Debit cards aren't that accessible to me and hardware is expensive as hell. Still, i would take digital anyway. My PS3 once broke my RDR CD and i had to pay 20$ to get a new one. I pnly have spite for digital since that day. I also don't like having to worry about the lack of backwards compatibility that can prevent me from playing my 1000$ collection of games should my PS3 fail me. It's silly. On the other hand, i have my steam account, housing over 20 games. A uniform, cosy place for my games to be. I don't have to worry about breaking the games, not being able to play them or even having to carry 2 m worth of plastic crap everywhere. I'd prefer if physical discs gave you the option to download the game digitally to the console, but never to be able to physically use the disc again. The physical junkies can have the other option if they want.

ProletariatPleb
06-28-2013, 02:06 AM
As for Digital, i live in a country where it takes me 3 days to download 10 GB
8hrs per GB here, beat that!

EDIT: Oh and I forgot to mention, Steam lets you backup your games so you can put them on disks or whatever you wish.

ArabianFrost
06-28-2013, 02:08 AM
8hrs per GB here, beat that!

EDIT: Oh and I forgot to mention, Steam lets you backup your games so you can put them on disks or whatever you wish.

Why did no one tell me that earlier. Crap, i had to redowndload over 100GB in games purely based on glorious Egyptian internet.

Jexx21
06-28-2013, 02:23 AM
People don't understand. By losing 1666 not only have we lost any chance for innovation in this genre , the Action/Adventure historical genre(lol Raven Cry), but we have lost any chance for AC ever being done right again.

Now that's what I call an over-reaction.

AC was done right in ACB-AC3. Black Flag looks to do it right again. This game does actually have competition on gameplay terms, games such as Batman: Arkham, Uncharted, Infamous, pretty much any non-shooter third person action adventure game. The gameplay genre of this game is: Third Person Action/Adventure. The story genre of this game is: Science-Fiction/Historical-Fiction. There's a difference.

ProletariatPleb
06-28-2013, 02:32 AM
Now that's what I call an over-reaction.

AC was done right in ACB-AC3. Black Flag looks to do it right again. This game does actually have competition on gameplay terms, games such as Batman: Arkham, Uncharted, Infamous, pretty much any non-shooter third person action adventure game. The gameplay genre of this game is: Third Person Action/Adventure. The story genre of this game is: Science-Fiction/Historical-Fiction. There's a difference.
Oddly enough those are the 3 AC games I completely dislike, lol....

The 'story genre' doesn't really add much anymore does it? Modern day parts were below average at best unless you have the standards of a toddler, animus became nothing more than a menu interface after a while.

The story while entirely subjective just isn't at the same level as the first two games and deviates mostly from 'assassin' into 'let's explore this random character'

1666 would've been competition to such a genre, they would have to get their **** together instead of making a bunch of employees work on a sequel that adds nothing of value and watch as their audience rivals CoD in both numbers and quality.

I don't really blame them though, NA region has barely made any good games in a long time, all the good ones are coming from EU.

ArabianFrost
06-28-2013, 02:38 AM
Now that's what I call an over-reaction.

AC was done right in ACB-AC3. Black Flag looks to do it right again. This game does actually have competition on gameplay terms, games such as Batman: Arkham, Uncharted, Infamous, pretty much any non-shooter third person action adventure game. The gameplay genre of this game is: Third Person Action/Adventure. The story genre of this game is: Science-Fiction/Historical-Fiction. There's a difference.

Well, The Arkham series and Uncharted(how is this relevant?) have existed for years and they clearly didn't push the series to innovate in terms of the stealth or navigation and combat hasn't reached a state that can be described as excellent, so basically the 3 main pillars are at a stagnate. As a historical experience all together, AC has no competition. Gameplay itself doesn't define competition. There is no other historical experience, that comes close to AC's genuine one.

ArabianFrost
06-28-2013, 02:41 AM
Oddly enough those are the 3 AC games I completely dislike, lol....

The 'story genre' doesn't really add much anymore does it? Modern day parts were below average at best unless you have the standards of a toddler, animus became nothing more than a menu interface after a while.

The story while entirely subjective just isn't at the same level as the first two games and deviates mostly from 'assassin' into 'let's explore this random character'

1666 would've been competition to such a genre, they would have to get their **** together instead of making a bunch of employees work on a sequel that adds nothing of value and watch as their audience rivals CoD in both numbers and quality.

I don't really blame them though, NA region has barely made any good games in a long time, all the good ones are coming from EU.

Sometimes i'd like to completely agree with you, Sid, but what the how does the Region make sense? Deus Ex:HR?

ProletariatPleb
06-28-2013, 03:25 AM
Sometimes i'd like to completely agree with you, Sid, but what the how does the Region make sense? Deus Ex:HR?
About Deus Ex - "barely made"

And how does region make sense? Well mainly because the most common complaint devs have in the NA region is that they have to work like it's a factory as opposed to those that are EU, especially areas like Sweden, Poland, Russia, Ukraine....Eastern bloc in general let's say.

ArabianFrost
06-28-2013, 03:45 AM
About Deus Ex - "barely made"

And how does region make sense? Well mainly because the most common complaint devs have in the NA region is that they have to work like it's a factory as opposed to those that are EU, especially areas like Sweden, Poland, Russia, Ukraine....Eastern bloc in general let's say.

Soviet Russia always did make the best games. Still beating America from the grave.

Anywho, i don't know much about companies so i would rather reserve judgement, but i still somewhat believe it's irrelevant.

ProletariatPleb
06-28-2013, 03:52 AM
Soviet Russia always did make the best games. Still beating America from the grave.

Anywho, i don't know much about companies so i would rather reserve judgement, but i still somewhat believe it's irrelevant.
Lol...

Well I do know a bit and those are words from the developers themselves, it's barely any creativity, it's about getting hammered to publish money making factory product. If you're ever going to get in this industry, EU all the way.

ArabianFrost
06-28-2013, 04:39 AM
Lol...

Well I do know a bit and those are words from the developers themselves, it's barely any creativity, it's about getting hammered to publish money making factory product. If you're ever going to get in this industry, EU all the way.

Well, you're the expert, so i'll take your word on it.

pirate1802
06-28-2013, 06:23 AM
Fight da powa!


I prefer physical games, i like to see the cases looking beautiful on my shelf, i don't like the idea of paying a lot of money for a bunch of bytes i can't touch.

I used to prefer the looks of beautiful cases on my shelf, until I realized a few more and I won't have place to put them on anymore! Now I enjoy the sight of the longass games list on my Steam library. I recently even got a scrollbar!

ProletariatPleb
06-28-2013, 06:26 AM
I used to prefer the looks of beautiful cases on my shelf, until I realized a few more and I won't have place to put them on anymore! Now I enjoy the sight of the longass games list on my Steam library. I recently even got a scrollbar!
Look what crawled out of its hole to die

Gi1t
06-28-2013, 06:55 AM
8hrs per GB here, beat that!

EDIT: Oh and I forgot to mention, Steam lets you backup your games so you can put them on disks or whatever you wish.

That's the kind of thing I'd like to see with a modern switch over to all-digital gaming. I know it'll happen eventually, but I don't want to see the companies just say 'poof, it's all digital now'. I'd like to see them take it seriously. With everything in digital, that puts an enormous amount of weight on your gaming profile to which these games belong, so I'd like to see somethig offered that adds some solidity to your otherwise tenuous connection with your gaming world.

ProletariatPleb
06-28-2013, 08:51 AM
That's the kind of thing I'd like to see with a modern switch over to all-digital gaming. I know it'll happen eventually, but I don't want to see the companies just say 'poof, it's all digital now'. I'd like to see them take it seriously. With everything in digital, that puts an enormous amount of weight on your gaming profile to which these games belong, so I'd like to see somethig offered that adds some solidity to your otherwise tenuous connection with your gaming world.
Steam backup has been there for a long time actually.

Spider_Sith9
07-01-2013, 12:09 PM
Competition creates innovation from all the involved parties. You eliminate that, you get indifferently made milked games like the AC franchise. If there was a rival game after AC2, Ubisoft wouldn't have dared release rushed games like ACB, in fear of paling in comparison to the competing title. Also, a game like 1666, even if under Ubisoft's development would have somewhat guaranteed the 2 year release window we all waited for. We all know Ubisoft wouldn't release 1666 in the same year as AC, so somewhere along the line, AC would have taken a back seat.

People don't understand. By losing 1666 not only have we lost any chance for innovation in this genre , the Action/Adventure historical genre(lol Raven Cry), but we have lost any chance for AC ever being done right again.



As for Digital, i live in a country where it takes me 3 days to download 10 GB, Debit cards aren't that accessible to me and hardware is expensive as hell. Still, i would take digital anyway. My PS3 once broke my RDR CD and i had to pay 20$ to get a new one. I pnly have spite for digital since that day. I also don't like having to worry about the lack of backwards compatibility that can prevent me from playing my 1000$ collection of games should my PS3 fail me. It's silly. On the other hand, i have my steam account, housing over 20 games. A uniform, cosy place for my games to be. I don't have to worry about breaking the games, not being able to play them or even having to carry 2 m worth of plastic crap everywhere. I'd prefer if physical discs gave you the option to download the game digitally to the console, but never to be able to physically use the disc again. The physical junkies can have the other option if they want.

Why you gotta be hatin' on Raven's Cry?! D: