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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 05:34 PM
Surprisingly, Doras win every time. Usually 4:0 or 4:1.

Is it just me ? I just didn't expect such underperformance of the VVS flagship, eh /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 05:34 PM
Surprisingly, Doras win every time. Usually 4:0 or 4:1.

Is it just me ? I just didn't expect such underperformance of the VVS flagship, eh /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 05:38 PM
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ZG77_Nagual
07-09-2003, 05:49 PM
Dora ai is good. Try fighting 4 ace la7s in one dora - fly it yourself.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 05:57 PM
Hmmm, Dora has its own AI ?? Somehow I find it hard to believe. Could be that AI utilizes Lame-7 wrong, but hardly, all the time I kept seeing them doing vertical maneuvers.

IMO, going alone vs 4 Lame-7 will prove little. I can BnZ them until one of them decides to get out, grab alt and come back. Then it gets hairy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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Message Edited on 07/09/0306:01PM by Hristos

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 08:02 PM
Anybody can beat the AI if they just spiral climb. They will blow all their ammo with stupid shots. Then pick them off one by one.

It's a lame way to win, but hey! It's war../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
07-09-2003, 08:06 PM
Good points- It sure seems like the ai is different for the dora - I say this because you can create scenarios then replace, say 109s, with doras - and the balance of power allways shifts. They surely do fly better.

In 4v1 I can pretty consistently get 4 las in a dora it's tedious, and they usually don't get any shots off. Yak3s are much harder.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 08:09 PM
Agreed, Yaks are harder for some reason. One thing annoys me is that they are small and very easy to lose sight of.

And yes, AI flies diferent planes diferently. If you go up against AI P51s, they climb before to the merge and are not very aggressive afterwards. Only once they saddle on your 6 it is different, a Yak wakes up in them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.


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Message Edited on 07/09/0308:15PM by Hristos

ZG77_Nagual
07-09-2003, 08:14 PM
When bullet damage modeling gets fixed the yaks will go under a little easier.
I like the yak9u best (esp if they fix it's acceleration, which should be fantastic) but it gives me eyestrain.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 10:54 PM
Maybe both planes have the same AI but, a certain plane is more adept to certain way of fighting then the other plane?

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 11:11 PM
A big part of AI fights is firepower and toughness. The FW-190 does great offline because it absorbs huge amounts of damage, and I mean huge. Firepower is very big also. Try 4 ace 109G-6's and see how they do, now give them MK-108 and see how they do. Same with 109G-2, give AI gunpods and watch it go. FW-190 is super king of offline. I'm not kidding when I say that I flew about 25 or more 16 vs. 16 full hard, ace level fights. The LW had 4 of each: 190D-9, 190A-9, 109G-6A/S (20mm), and 109K-4. VVS side had 4 of each: P-51D, P-47D, Yak-3/9U, La-7.

I flew VVS (mixed it up) and I swear that 100% of the time the last 4 or 5 LW planes were 190's, mainly the Dora because it takes incredible damage. Maybe one or two times TOTAL did a 109 make it to the end as a result of a decisive victory for LW. On the VVS side the P-47 was almost always the last alive. The Yak-9U's and La-7's were almost always gone, especially the Yaks. Strangely, the P-51 usually outlasted the La's and Yaks which blows a hole in an otherwise consistant theory.

Try it yourself, you will be suprised that the vast majority of the time it will end up with the 190's (mainly Dora) battling it out with the Jugs and Mustangs.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 11:16 PM
kyrule2

I agree with you, except for the P-51. It goes down like a Hollywood ******.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 11:21 PM
Buzz, yeah, thats why I said it kinda blows a hole in my theory. But I swear after 25+ games last night the thing was hanging in there, the P-51's seemed to really stick together and help eachother out. Give it a try if you get the chance. I can't explain it but it was pretty consistant. I found the Mustangs chasing planes up high moreso than others, maybe that helped but it definitely lasted longer than La's and Yaks for sure.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 11:23 PM
I was doing some offline stuff to get screenshots with my new card and I put 4 190 F8s, 4 109 K4s, vs 8 P51s. I just wanted to take it easy so I set the P51s to average and the K4s to Veteran. When the 109s and the P51s merged, the P51s would turn hard and in 180 degrees be on the six of the K4s. Usually 2 K4s would go down in flames on this first turn. I was watching the track, and the P51s were turning like Yaks. Me and my group then did our bombrun and proceeded to dispose of all the P51s. Every time it would end with 4 190s and no P51s or 109s.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 11:28 PM
I did try it when FB first came out. I only used 4 P-51's against 4 G10's. The P-51's lost every time. I couldn't stand watching the P-51's going down, so I stopped doing it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 11:44 PM
ibhskier, excellent observation. Thank you for jarring my cannabis reduced memory. I do remember that as soon as the P-51's did an initial pass they turned 180 degrees very quickly with little loss of speed and caught up to 190's in climb and out-turned the 109's. Good eye indeed.

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