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Jayden26
04-14-2013, 08:41 AM
NOTICE: BEFORE YOU COMMENT PLEASE READ THE INTRODUCTION![B]
Introduction:
Hello everyone, I know I have made a few threads similiar to this before, but I promise this will be my last thread about it. I will gather all the best ideas I have come up with in my previous threads and post them here in an ultimate collection for you to view. Please no trolls saying "oh another one -_-" etc. I will try to convince not only the developers that hopefully will see this, but also each and every one of you. Once again I ask that you do not comment or vote in the poll UNTIL you have read my argument. I am quite certain I can convince everyone to vote for this as a setting. Thankyou!
(I will keep this in order so that it is both easy for the reader to understand and comprehend)

[B]***Locations***

First off let's start with the location shall we?
Location: Australia and New Zealand
Main Cities: Melbourne and Sydney
Minor Cities: Wellington or Auckland
AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND
http://nla.gov.au/nla.map-rm3712-v.jpg
So you think Australia and New Zealand is boring for a setting?
The following images are the landscapes, trees, animals, native peoples, and so on that we could expect to see in an AC set in this location.
http://img.aasd.com.au/60420390.jpg
http://www.kevinbest.com.au/export/sites/kevinbest/images/hpainting.jpg
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/assets/images/article/journal/6650/heysen-painting-australia-landscape.jpg
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/08/17/GLOVER_wideweb__430x257.jpg
http://nga.gov.au/Exhibition/oceantoOutback/Images/400/88185.jpg
http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/12/28/1226232/007235-eugene-von-guerard.jpg
http://www.thecultureconcept.com/circle/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Ferntree-Gully-in-the-Dandenongs.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2702516-16x9-940x529.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Eugene_von_Guerard_-_View_of_the_granite_rocks_at_Cape_Woolamai,_1872. jpg
http://www.pubhist.com/works/04/large/4399.jpg
http://www.aucklandartgallery.com/media/317809/m1971_1%20pp.jpg
Some of the unique flora and fauna of Australia and New Zealand
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/assets/images/article/journal/12003/wattle.jpg
http://anpsa.org.au/jpg/960513.jpg
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqYOKpEE4kWg1Oo!BOU1MyIJr!~~48_35.JPG
http://www.naturespic.com/i/9864DA05_w.jpg
http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/005/cache/gray-kangaroo_554_600x450.jpg?01AD=3YxdmN-AsgTr2XHz_viGZN8aIrux6AmFVgOVn9mN9cvUpHiDL9ZY26w&01RI=5DC5EC89C0CEA16&01NA=
http://www.lindahall.org/events_exhib/exhibit/exhibits/darwin/img/aa_crop/Gould_numbat_1863_dar10004x.jpg
http://www.thestarfish.com.au/img/2012/08/platypus.jpg
https://www.savethekoala.com/sites/default/files/images/koalapic12.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~alreadman/tas%20devil%204-watts.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ycszUBdmeSY/UErT4YplFZI/AAAAAAAAICQ/svKb7uAVq8U/s1600/Emu-Bird.jpg
http://rmagibess.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/kiwi_bird.jpg
http*/://members.optusnet.com.au/~alreadman/tas%20devil%204-watts.jpg
http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/09/06/1226130/759677-110910-tree.jpg

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 08:42 AM
Some of the unique native people and culture of Australia and New Zealand
http://www.picperfect.com.au/AA1019.jpg
http://www.didgeswedoo.com.au/photo/aboriginal-01.jpg
http://images.smh.com.au/2011/10/01/2662028/port-Joseph-Lycett-420x0.jpg
http://treatyrepublic.net/images/2011/corroboree-painting.jpg
http://www.nzdcr.co.nz/site/nzdiscountcarrentals/images/originals/Maori_art.jpg
http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/bodyarts/images/stories/ngairo_rakai_hikuroa.jpg
http://www.hawthornephotography.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/maori-sculpture.jpg
http://treatyrepublic.net/images/2011/worriors-of-nsw.jpg
Main Cities:
Now a taste of the main cities..
Sydney
Sydney is a city built mainly from sandstone which adds a peculiar tone to the city. Centering on the harbour, this city is a twisted and mangled mess with its roads going in all directions.
http://www.lowensteinsarts.com.au/images/artwork/ConradMartens-CampbellsWharf.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3237/3283123156_48f0aaee3d_b.jpg
http://www.sydneymate.com/PlacesOfInterest/GovernmentHouse/websized/P1120316.jpg
http://thingstodo.viator.com/sydney/files/QVB-photo_1081006-raw-CROPPED.jpg
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q237/AussieDude11/balmain005.jpg
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/BOSImages/Series/0017/420/Items/0222/523/17420_a014_a0140001152.jpg
http://amyjclarke.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/ilfracombe.jpg?w=529&h=398
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Fort_Macquarie_ca.1870_from_Sydney_Streets_and_Bui ldings,_1861-ca.1900_chiefly_by_Kerry_%26_Co..jpg/300px-Fort_Macquarie_ca.1870_from_Sydney_Streets_and_Bui ldings,_1861-ca.1900_chiefly_by_Kerry_%26_Co..jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YGN3l86nWKw/TKUK33P3oNI/AAAAAAAAGUk/fTO-GWgi4bQ/s1600/Frazer+Water+Fountain.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Queen_Victoria_outside_the_Queen_Victoria_Building _in_Sydney_2011.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/St_marys_cathedral_in_sydney.JPG
http://www.antiqueprintroom.com/image?b56f8e249fd01e895afbd1ff8974d63a
http://www.photosofchurches.com/images/Australia/Australia,%20Sydney,%20St%20Andrews%20Cathedral.jp g

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 08:43 AM
Melbourne
Melbourne was far grander and larger than Sydney during the 19th century. This city was built in a glorious victorian fashion of that era and was much more organised than Sydney. Also note that Melbourne was the second largest city in the British Empire (Only London was slightly larger)!!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HET9M4NlgZ8/S60wzsTQu_I/AAAAAAAAEC4/wsyvjwpTav4/s1600/4+Exhibition+Building+1.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Scot's_Church_Tower.jpg/220px-Scot's_Church_Tower.jpg
http://www.sauer-thompson.com/junkforcode/archives/Rialto.jpg
http://sydneyarchitecturearchive.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/500px-windsor_hotel_in_2010.jpg
http://www.melbournetourism.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/royal-exhibition-building-with-tulips-in-foreground.jpg
http://www.bookmarc.com.au/blog/wp-content/gallery/melbourne-heritage/parliment-house.jpg
http://www.sydney-australia.biz/victoria/melbourne/places/graphics/flinders-st-train-station.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3212/2295196976_98a602472a_z.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2079/2026391897_354c0024e6.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-a9BhH5E6htI/T3OEjGjY9oI/AAAAAAAAC40/ZHp3vuUmdAE/s1600/University+6.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5205/5365888083_2a1a513cff_z.jpg
http://www.thecollectormm.com.au/private/FlindersFire2.jpg
http://blueskyphotography.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/interior_st-pauls-cathedral_melbourne_2438.jpg
http://precioustreasures.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/st-patricks-cathedral-melb-bb.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6138/6207226404_c608f32d13_b.jpg
Including the vast networks of old tunnels beneath Melbourne..

Auckland or Wellington:
Developers can choose which of these two minor cities can play a role, but Auckland probably has a better chance due to the various wars fought close near it. Either way during the 19th century both paled in comparison to their western counterparts.
http://img3.photographersdirect.com/img/15588/wm/pd3418359.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5212/5447728838_2737712000.jpg
http://49.50.242.36/images/zoom/1981-1990/1986_5.jpg
http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0901/464dfac056be407d4557.jpeg
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/20387746.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/333824935_0cfe9aa44e_b.jpg
http://www.photosofchurches.com/images/England/Durham,%20Bishop%20Auckland,%20Primitive%20%20Meth odist%20Church%201900's.jpg

Next let's go with the timeline, (when did the assassins first arrive in Australia/New Zealand and why), and when would the game take place, etc.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 08:43 AM
***Timeline***

Following the failed revolutions that swept through Europe in 1848, those who participated or supported the revolutions were named as "forty-eighters" and persecuted. Most of the forty-eighters fled to Australia to escape the persecution and this could be a legitimate reason as to how the assassin order ended up in Oceania.
However, the great Maori land wars and the height of colonial Australia only really took place around the 1860s to 1899. So a game set in Australia/New Zealand would not have to be confined to just 1848 immediately it could start at a later date, etc, 1860s or beyond.

***Conflict***

What conflict happenend in Australia/New Zealand during this timeline you ask?
Let's start with the major events!!
1854- Eureka Rebellion
An armed uprising fighting for democracy, crushed following the Battle of the Eureka Stockade. (In Australia)
http://www.gold-net.com.au/archivemagazines/jul99/images/ballarat3.jpg
http://eurekasydney.com/images/eureka_riot.jpg
http://eurekasydney.com/images/raising_eureka.jpg
1863-1864- Invasion of Waikato
Involving 12 thousand Australian/British troops against 4 thousand Maori warriors. Largest campaign of the New Zealand Land wars.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Charting_rebellious_New_Zealand.jpg/305px-Charting_rebellious_New_Zealand.jpg
http://img.groundspeak.com/cache/7a094f6f-2474-4e23-9bd4-0b3208de06cc.jpg
1868-1872- Te Kooti's War
The "ugliest and most savage" of all the New Zealand Land Wars. Involved at least 28 conflicts ranging from minor skirmishes to substantial battles.
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/images/te-kooti-meeting-jc-firth.jpg
http://www.historicplaces.org.nz/~/media/Destinations/Images/heroImages/AlexandraRedoubt.ashx
1868-1869- Titokowaru's War
Major war of the New Zealand Land Wars
http://www.stagpoole.net.nz/katikara.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Von_Tempsky's_death_Kennett_Watkins.jpg/300px-Von_Tempsky's_death_Kennett_Watkins.jpg
1871-1884- Kalkadoon War
Major war of the Australian Frontier Wars
http://www.cherneesutton.com.au/images/cache/Battle_Mountain.600.JPG
1890-1901- Federation Era
The disparate colonies are united in Federation, unique architecture of the time, corruption rife, Civil War erupts in Queensland, founding father "Sir Henry Parkes" mysteriously dies just a few years before Federation.
http://www.thecollectormm.com.au/private/PrincesB1908Paint.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/image/3949078-3x2-700x467.jpg
**Smaller Conflicts**
During this same time period there were smaller wars and battles going on that could be included.
1860/1- First Taranaki War - Battle at Te Kohia
- Battle of Waireka
- Battle of Puketakauere
(In New Zealand)

1861- Battle of Yindurupilly - 35+ Aboriginal warriors killed and 75+ Europeans killed. (In Australia)

*1863- Battle of Goimbla (In Australia)

1863/6- Second Taranaki War - Attack on Sentry Hill
- Cameron's West Coast Campaign

**Pre-1848 Conflicts**
Before the arrival of the assassins in Australia/New Zealand, there was considerable amount of conflict throughout both countries, this could be referenced for creating a more detailed backstory in an AC.
*IN AUSTRALIA*
1629- Battle of West Wallabi Island
1795-1802- Pemulwuys War
-Battle of the Hawkesbury
-Battle of Toongabbie
-Sacking of Lane Cove
-Battle of Parramatta
1804- Battle of Vinegar Hill
1806-1808- Tedburys War
1808- Rum Rebellion- Military coup of Sydney Governor
1824- Battle of Bathurst
1828-1832- Black Line Campaign
1834- Battle of Pinjarra
1838- Battle of Faithful
1840- Battle of Yering
1843- Battle of One Tree Hill
http://www.myplace.edu.au/verve/_resources/Indigenous_Australians_1840_page.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Mounted_police_and_blacks.jpg/300px-Mounted_police_and_blacks.jpg
http://www.hillsdirectory.com.au/Sites/hillsd/CMS/Images/hills_info/vinegar_hill.gif
*IN NEW ZEALAND*
1807-1842- Musket Wars
A series of 500 or more battles fought between Maori Tribes
1845-1846- Flagstaff War
-Attack on Pomares Pa
-Battle of the Sticks
-Battle of Okaihau
-Battle of Te Ahuahu
-Battle of Ohaeawai
http://www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz/TitfordStory/MaoriWar2.JPG
http://www.teara.govt.nz/files/hero-38079.jpg
http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/coins/exhibitions/NZCross/WilliamsNorthStar1845.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/HekeFlagstaff.jpg/300px-HekeFlagstaff.jpg

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 08:44 AM
***Assassin Hero***

The Assassin hero would probably be a European from one of the countries that went through the failed revolutions, possibly a German.
Although being a European Assassin, they would be culturally influenced by both Australian and New Zealand cultures.
Our Assassin would have:
*Traditional hidden-blade
*Sword (Depending on what European heritage he is from he may wield different types of swords, etc German)
http://www.hobbyswoodmilitaria.co.uk/ekmps/shops/hobbyswood/images/19th-century-german-made-continental-cavalry-troopers-sword-ref5552-8008-p[ekm]300x225[ekm].jpg
*Boomerang- This weapon is deadly and silent, useful for stealth missions (Plus it comes back to you!)
http://www.boomerangcraftsmen.com/webboomplyandrew.JPG
*Pistol- Once again various styles of pistols can be used, useful in open battles
http://www.preferredarms.com/images/weapons/large/firearms/12.-English-Percussion-Pist.jpg
The costume of this assassin would be influenced by the climates of Australia and New Zealand, it is quite cold around Melbourne and New Zealand, but a little warmer in Sydney so he would still be able to be cloaked.
Also our Assassin could be the first in the franchise to have something than just an eagle for a companion, what if our assassin saves and raises a Tasmanian tiger to become a loyal companion?
http://www.tasmaniatrip.com/image-files/tasmaniantigerpainting.jpg

***Historical Societies Of This Time Period***

*Australian Freemasons were quite active in Sydney, they arrived back in 1788.
http://www.antiquemapsandprints.com/scansj/j-20784.jpg
*The Bushrangers, practically pirates that used horses instead of ships.
http://www.migrationheritage.nsw.gov.au/cms/wp-content/gallery/objectsthroughtime/objects/kelly/armour.jpg
*Maori King Movement, it's aim was to establish a monarch in similiar nature to the British (Notice the Templar sign in the top left corner...)
http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/etexts/Cow02NewZ/Cow02NewZ475a(h280).jpg
*Kurdaitcha Man - Ritual executioners and curse bearers of the Australian Aborigines.
*The Queens Men- Also known as the British Army
*The Reform League- Society devoted to equal rights
http://www.ballaratreformleague.org.au/images/eureka_flag.png

***Historical People***

These are some of the famous historical people from this era that could be used in an AC game.
http://www.catholic-truths.com/truth/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/marymackilop2.jpg
http://www.orangenewsnow.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/banjo-paterson-300x267.jpg
http://m.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/media/collection_images/9/988%23%23S.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/TeKootiGudgeon.jpg/170px-TeKootiGudgeon.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Gustavus_Ferdinand_von_Tempsky,_ca_1868_probably_b y_Webster,_Hartley_(Auckland)_fl_1852-1900.jpeg/220px-Gustavus_Ferdinand_von_Tempsky,_ca_1868_probably_b y_Webster,_Hartley_(Auckland)_fl_1852-1900.jpeg
http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/History/Bentley/PeterlalorBB.jpg
http://www.treaty2u.govt.nz/images/impact-main-1.jpg

***Possible Plot Themes***

*The Wandjina- Ancient Australian Aboriginal cave paintings details these as the "creators" or "first visitors". Could these be a reference to the First Civilization??
http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/arts/images/three-Wandjina.jpg
http://api.ning.com/files/qZq51cKmw4XyLiefb2FU4sAb7zsBns9iChnTmFH8067g*QusFP kc9UFYj4YVDf1f1R5utOJ8*Q8YGGGicPxYWuKlc1GQv*DC/wandjina2.jpg
*Geelong Keys- Historical references say these keys were found to have dated thousands of years old, but how did they get here?
http://geelongblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/old-keys.jpg
*Dieppe Maps- Ancient map alledgedly showing the Eastern coast of Australia centuries before it was officially discovered. What does it lead to and why was it's existence covered up?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zzQCzyRefbk/T3tNWluNAmI/AAAAAAAAbhk/4jx8n3F-dlc/s1600/6253942438_146d98fb99%255B1%255D.jpg
*Supposed Viking settlement of New Zealand- It has been controversially suggested that the vikings settled New Zealand centuries before the Maori.
http://www.wikipedy.com/images_d/viking_longships_1.jpg
*The Kaimanawa Wall- Similiar to the viking theory

***Conclusion***

This has been a very long thread and a joy to make, if you have read this far then I congratulate you and thankyou. I hope that this thread has opened you're eyes to the possibility of an Assassin's Creed set in Australia/New Zealand.
*To the developers: If you do want to contact me for further details just private message me, I have tonnes more ideas that I could not fit into this thread.

roostersrule2
04-14-2013, 08:48 AM
No, I could not think of a more boring location.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 09:09 AM
No, I could not think of a more boring location.

Did you read through the entire post?
If you did please tell me what you think is boring.

roostersrule2
04-14-2013, 09:14 AM
Did you read through the entire post?
If you did please tell me what you think is boring.I've learnt Australian history for years now, it's boring. Does not have enough documented history, the only stuff you could write a game about is from the late 1700's on, which is boring and before that it's even more boring.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 09:18 AM
I've learnt Australian history for years now, it's boring. Does not have enough documented history, the only stuff you could write a game about is from the late 1700's on, which is boring and before that it's even more boring.

You do realise this game is more than just Australia right...
Or can you not read?

Assassin_M
04-14-2013, 09:19 AM
You do realise this game is more than just Australia right...
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Legendz54
04-14-2013, 09:41 AM
Nope wouldn't like it, rather them go to Ancient Greece/ Egypt. The animals and stuff are good but it is already done, the character wouldn't be that interesting unless he was a native but as we know that has already been done before. Just my opinion...

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 09:44 AM
Nope wouldn't like it, rather them go to Ancient Greece/ Egypt. The animals and stuff are good but it is already done, the character wouldn't be that interesting unless he was a native but as we know that has already been done before. Just my opinion...
So you're saying anyone who is not a native cannot be interesting?? What about Altair? Ezio? Conner?
Actually you are wrong there are no games set in Australia/New Zealand that deals with this.

roostersrule2
04-14-2013, 09:48 AM
You do realise this game is more than just Australia right...
Or can you not read?Yea cuz but nuthin eva hippins un New Zulind enyway.

Sushiglutton
04-14-2013, 09:51 AM
Voted yes :). I really liked the frontier in AC3, so I wouldn't mind a game that was primarily nature focused. And Australia does have some spectacular nature and New Zealand perhaps even more so. But there are plenty of other historic eras and locations I would like too.

Legendz54
04-14-2013, 09:51 AM
So you're saying anyone who is not a native cannot be interesting?? What about Altair? Ezio? Conner?
Actually you are wrong there are no games set in Australia/New Zealand that deals with this.


I never said there have been no games set in Australia, I meant natives were done before (Connor as an example) why go to Australia when there are way better continents with far more fascinating architecture and history. I also never said that only natives are good protags, I was just saying that taking Australian setting into consideration the more interesting assassin I would want to be would be an aboriginal assassin. ( again burning village and native has been done before)

MadJC1986
04-14-2013, 09:54 AM
I votet yes, too. Those pictures of the landscape do look awesome.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 09:57 AM
I never said there have been no games set in Australia, I meant natives were done before (Connor as an example) why go to Australia when there are way better continents with far more fascinating architecture and history. I also never said that only natives are good protags, I was jut saying that taking Australian setting into consideration the more interesting assassin I would want to be would be an aboriginal assassin. ( again burning village and native has been done before)

To be honest it would be pretty much impossible to have an Aboriginal Assassin as they were basically killed if they even came near the city (brutal I know), so stealth wise it wouldn't be good as everyone would be you're enemy. The best I can think of is a forty-eighter of European heritage that migrates to Australia to escape persecution.
This European assassin could be a belligerent force and help to defend the natives from attack, as well as be recruited to the wars in New Zealand, and to assassinate targets in Melbourne and Sydney.

pirate1802
04-14-2013, 09:58 AM
No, I could not think of a more boring location.

Come on dude.. you broke his post-streak. You should be ashamed. ._.

roostersrule2
04-14-2013, 10:03 AM
Come on dude.. you broke his post-streak. You should be ashamed. ._.I am, I'm crying right now #cut4beiber.

pirate1802
04-14-2013, 10:06 AM
19

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montagemik
04-14-2013, 10:26 AM
So you're saying anyone who is not a native cannot be interesting?? What about Altair? Ezio? Conner?
Actually you are wrong there are no games set in Australia/New Zealand that deals with this.




I Voted No .
My personal reason for not wanting Australia / NZ as a setting - ....... How many of those Historical events you listed does the rest of the world 'commonly' know about or have even heard of ?
CRUSADES - RENAISSANCE / BORGIAS/DAVINCI - US INDEPENDANCE /WASHINGTON - CARRIBBEAN PIRACY /BLACKBEARD..................all commonly known events /eras across the globe.
But Australia ? .............. None of those events you listed even spark my imagination because i'm not australian & have little knowledge of Australian history just like many others outside Australia.

Australia would seem better suited to a RDR kind of game than an AC for me at least.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 10:30 AM
I Voted No .
My personal reason for not wanting Australia / NZ as a setting - ....... How many of those Historical events you listed does the rest of the world 'commonly' know about or have even heard of ?
CRUSADES - RENAISSANCE / BORGIAS/DAVINCI - US INDEPENDANCE /WASHINGTON - CARRIBBEAN PIRACY /BLACKBEARD..................all commonly known events /eras across the globe.
But Australia ? .............. None of those events you listed even spark my imagination because i'm not australian & have little knowledge of Australian history just like many others outside Australia.

Australia would seem better suited to a RDR kind of game than an AC for me at least.

Those are all commonly known events because tonnes of movies, dramas, games, and so on are based on those events. How many games can you count are set in Australia or New Zealand?
Red Dead Redemption is a Wild West game, Did I not mention that Melbourne was THE wealthiest city in the world in the 19th century and was also the 2nd largest city in the entire British Empire. Australia was far more developed than you think, because false movies like "Crocodile Dundee" etc, have influenced you're view on us.

montagemik
04-14-2013, 10:54 AM
Those are all commonly known events because tonnes of movies, dramas, games, and so on are based on those events. How many games can you count are set in Australia or New Zealand?
Red Dead Redemption is a Wild West game, Did I not mention that Melbourne was THE wealthiest city in the world in the 19th century and was also the 2nd largest city in the entire British Empire. Australia was far more developed than you think, because false movies like "Crocodile Dundee" etc, have influenced you're view on us.

I'm sorry - What was that ??
You have NO clue how 'developed' i think Australia / NZ were ..................... So if your going to make your arguement for australia , probably best if you argue your opinions & don't INVENT what my opinion is or what it's based on .

I Clearly stated my Vote/ answer & clearly stated my reasons against australia as an AC game setting. :nonchalance:

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Jayden26
04-14-2013, 11:03 AM
I'm sorry - What was that ??
You have NO clue how 'developed' i think Australia / NZ were ..................... So if your going to make your arguement for australia , probably best if you argue your opinions & don't INVENT what my opinion is or what it's based on .

I Clearly stated my Vote/ answer & clearly stated my reasons against australia as an AC game setting. :nonchalance:

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You're reasons against were poor at best. Please tell me what other commonly known historical events are there.

shobhit7777777
04-14-2013, 11:10 AM
Hi OP

I admire your persistence and conviction......and therefore I feel you deserve more than just a 'No'. I'll to elaborate why I feel that Australia/NZ is a poor choice of setting:


1. Cultural/Architectural Diversity - Australia/NZ are far too culturally and architecturally similar to the previous European/Western settings. The images you've posted have only re-enforced the belief that Australia/NZ - while beautiful - would come off as another 'America'

2. Historical Significance - Nothing of great GLOBAL historical significance has happened there......I would like AC to maintain its tradition of having important historic events as the narrative backdrop....and can't see Australia/NZ providing any engaging scenarios

India, China, England, France - these settings IMO are far more interesting from a historical POV

3. Gameplay - the MOST important one that people just forget when pitching 'their' cities - How does the urban environment support the Core AC gameplay?
AC is a primarily urban game - social stealth, large metropolitan areas and dense urban settlements for free running and climbing.

That is why all the previous settings apart from NY and Boston worked
You need rich, vibrant, DENSE, complex and architecturally interesting cities for an AC game to be fun enough, IMO.

Australia...IDK...meh.



India under British occupation is the best choice IMO...and even then I would vote against it if I am shown that the cityscape isn't interesting enough. Gameplay is paramount.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 11:33 AM
Hi OP

I admire your persistence and conviction......and therefore I feel you deserve more than just a 'No'. I'll to elaborate why I feel that Australia/NZ is a poor choice of setting:


1. Cultural/Architectural Diversity - Australia/NZ are far too culturally and architecturally similar to the previous European/Western settings. The images you've posted have only re-enforced the belief that Australia/NZ - while beautiful - would come off as another 'America'

2. Historical Significance - Nothing of great GLOBAL historical significance has happened there......I would like AC to maintain its tradition of having important historic events as the narrative backdrop....and can't see Australia/NZ providing any engaging scenarios

India, China, England, France - these settings IMO are far more interesting from a historical POV

3. Gameplay - the MOST important one that people just forget when pitching 'their' cities - How does the urban environment support the Core AC gameplay?
AC is a primarily urban game - social stealth, large metropolitan areas and dense urban settlements for free running and climbing.

That is why all the previous settings apart from NY and Boston worked
You need rich, vibrant, DENSE, complex and architecturally interesting cities for an AC game to be fun enough, IMO.

Australia...IDK...meh.



India under British occupation is the best choice IMO...and even then I would vote against it if I am shown that the cityscape isn't interesting enough. Gameplay is paramount.

Thankyou for you're sincere answer.
Now let me reply to some of you're answers.

1. The American setting of AC3 was built primarily from wood and in rare cases some brickwork. Whereas Australian architecture was built primarily from sandstone or just stone in general. The reason for this is because Australia is prone to bushfires so it just made sense to build houses from stone than wood. Apart from different building materials you would be blind to notice tha massive architectural difference from American colonial architecture to Australian colonial architecture.

2. How do you define "Global importance"? The renaissance had no impact on anywhere else besides Europe, the American revolution was quite small in reality to other revolutions and had no real implications on other countries apart from Great Britain, no offence but I don't see how India under British occupation was of "global importance", nor did the dynasties of China have any affect on anywhere but Eastern Asia. Australia if you haven't noticed is a continent, and all these historical eras (while all interesting in their own right), had more of a local affect rather than a so calle "global one". For example, the greatest gold rush in the world occurred in Melbourne, Australia, this explains why it became the wealthiest city in the world.

3. I don't know how many times I have to say this but - Melbourne was the second largest city in the British Empire, and the wealthiest city in the world during that era. It was far grander than Boston and New York. In fact it had a royal ballroom twice the size of Queen Victorias!

silvermercy
04-14-2013, 11:38 AM
Australia is so beautiful. The architecture looks stunning as well, a mix of various European cultures.
Eventually, I'd like to see an Australian AC but not yet. I think it's too soon after AC3 as it would look a bit too similar. A few years at least would have to pass.
If there was an option I would vote: Yes, but not YET.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 11:54 AM
Australia is so beautiful. The architecture looks stunning as well, a mix of various European cultures.
Eventually, I'd like to see an Australian AC but not yet. I think it's too soon after AC3 as it would look a bit too similar. A few years at least would have to pass.
If there was an option I would vote: Yes, but not YET.

I agree with what you said, I do not think an Australian/New Zealand setting is appropriate just yet, I at least want the franchise to touch on the far East (Asia), and at least Western Europe (Britain).

shobhit7777777
04-14-2013, 12:07 PM
Thankyou for you're sincere answer.
Now let me reply to some of you're answers.


You're welcome


1. The American setting of AC3 was built primarily from wood and in rare cases some brickwork. Whereas Australian architecture was built primarily from sandstone or just stone in general. The reason for this is because Australia is prone to bushfires so it just made sense to build houses from stone than wood. Apart from different building materials you would be blind to notice tha massive architectural difference from American colonial architecture to Australian colonial architecture.

I'm not talking about the building material or the overall architectural style as much as the visual feel of the buildings.....they look very similar to the buildings in the previous AC games - Western Architecture as a whole
Even then the Architecture isn't that radically different. At least the games before AC3 had cities which differed in the overall atmosphere...the change from Italy to Turkey was a striking one...and so was the change from the three cities in AC1 to the ones in the Ezio trilogy



2. How do you define "Global importance"? The renaissance had no impact on anywhere else besides Europe, the American revolution was quite small in reality to other revolutions and had no real implications on other countries apart from Great Britain, no offence but I don't see how India under British occupation was of "global importance", nor did the dynasties of China have any affect on anywhere but Eastern Asia. Australia if you haven't noticed is a continent, and all these historical eras (while all interesting in their own right), had more of a local affect rather than a so calle "global one". For example, the greatest gold rush in the world occurred in Melbourne, Australia, this explains why it became the wealthiest city in the world.

Are you serious?

If so, you are demonstrating your utter failure in understanding the far-reaching consequences of the aforementioned events

The Renaissance arguably speaheaded Western Civilization's advancement into the modern age....so much so that any revolutionary movement in the socio-political or cultural fields is termed as a "Renaissance"
Are you dismissing the advancements in many fields made during the Renaissance as being "local" or not affecting the rest of the world?
Could you care to explain then why, the entire world studies about this period and NOT about some revolutionary war or the migration of people to the Australian continent, then?

The British occupation of India - India was the most sought colonial territory just a century ago. 'Jewel in the Crown' ring any bells? Where do you think Japan wanted to go during WWII? And what do you think ALLOWED the British to MAINTAIN their superiority over much of the world? Wasn't Columbus looking for Indians?
British industry was fuelled by Indian raw materials and manpower
Largest volunteer army during the Second World War - The British-Indian Army - 2.2. Million Indian volunteers...who fought in Italy, France, North Africa and Burma (Myanmar)
WW1 as well
And guess who shaped world history for the better part of the last 3 centuries - Hint: They love tea and Cricket
Oh and the British-Afghan wars..yup..Indians
Alexander? Wanted India...funny thing..we turned him back...I'd say that was pretty important.
Genghis (Changez) Khan? Loved India
Indian contribution...nothing much except a **** load of stuff from mathematical inventions, astronomical, medical and scientific discoveries.

India has been a major player throughout the annals of history...from being one of the earliest civilizations to being a hotbed for intellectual advancement....India was one of the countries that has been known around the globe since before people even migrated to Australia.

The SAME can be said of China.

I can Guarantee you...pick ANY time period in the history of India....and that period is going to be so historically rich that and interesting that it would make the Game of Thrones and LOTR look like bad fan-fiction

And now

Onto the American War of Independance - The USA is the worlds most powerful country and has been so for the last century. Where do you think the US would've been had they not gained their independance?
The US of A has effectively dictated the course of history and is the most influential country since the times of the Roman Empire.....in fact more so..thanks to Globalization now


All of the aforementioned events/time periods...are of extreme importance.



I don't want to put Australia down..but the fact is..thanks to the geographical divide....it just doesn't affect the rest of the world that much.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 12:27 PM
I think you took my previous post a bit too much too heart. Yes I know India was the richest country in the world before the British sacked it and stole it all.
I also think you misunderstood my previous post, what I was trying to say was that those events while significant only became much more significant worldwide later on sometimes hundreds of years after they occurred. For example America only became a world power after the second world war, before then the American revolution wasn't considered "globally significant", I hope you understand what I mean.

montagemik
04-14-2013, 12:42 PM
Thankyou for you're sincere answer.
Now let me reply to some of you're answers.

1. The American setting of AC3 was built primarily from wood and in rare cases some brickwork. Whereas Australian architecture was built primarily from sandstone or just stone in general. The reason for this is because Australia is prone to bushfires so it just made sense to build houses from stone than wood. Apart from different building materials you would be blind to notice tha massive architectural difference from American colonial architecture to Australian colonial architecture.

2. How do you define "Global importance"? The renaissance had no impact on anywhere else besides Europe, the American revolution was quite small in reality to other revolutions and had no real implications on other countries apart from Great Britain, no offence but I don't see how India under British occupation was of "global importance", nor did the dynasties of China have any affect on anywhere but Eastern Asia. Australia if you haven't noticed is a continent, and all these historical eras (while all interesting in their own right), had more of a local affect rather than a so calle "global one". For example, the greatest gold rush in the world occurred in Melbourne, Australia, this explains why it became the wealthiest city in the world.

3. I don't know how many times I have to say this but - Melbourne was the second largest city in the British Empire, and the wealthiest city in the world during that era. It was far grander than Boston and New York. In fact it had a royal ballroom twice the size of Queen Victorias!


Your reply to point # 2 is complete nonsense ..............You ignore the fact these locations & eras were times of great cultural or political change in history - & these eras directly influenced the modern world today .
Rennaissance had NO impact on the world except Europe !! .................. Really ?? ( Don't they have helicopters / planes in Australia ? .......Davinci will be dissapointed)
American independance revolution - NO implications on other countries !! ....................... Current global Super-power = USA
India under british rule unimportant ? ....................... Could easily be around the decline of British rule = Fall of an Empire .... A drastic political change for Britain which Directly influenced the world. (how could that not affect Global politics ? )
etc...etc.....

Your point # 3 is - 'We have a Big City & a massive Dancefloor' Bring AC to Australia. ..................But there's No 'Instant grab' Historical events connected to Australia for most of Ubisoft's target audience . That's about the jist of it i think.

roostersrule2
04-14-2013, 12:53 PM
I think you took my previous post a bit too much too heart. Yes I know India was the richest country in the world before the British sacked it and stole it all.
I also think you misunderstood my previous post, what I was trying to say was that those events while significant only became much more significant worldwide later on sometimes hundreds of years after they occurred. For example America only became a world power after the second world war, before then the American revolution wasn't considered "globally significant", I hope you understand what I mean.No one took it too heart it's just what you said was extremely ignorant. The gold rush in Australia helped Australia but to say it had more significance the Renaissance is just stupid.

shobhit7777777
04-14-2013, 12:56 PM
I think you took my previous post a bit too much too heart. Yes I know India was the richest country in the world before the British sacked it and stole it all.
I also think you misunderstood my previous post, what I was trying to say was that those events while significant only became much more significant worldwide later on sometimes hundreds of years after they occurred. For example America only became a world power after the second world war, before then the American revolution wasn't considered "globally significant", I hope you understand what I mean.

I understood it fine...the point wasn't to show you that India was a rich country...it was to show you that the events were more significant than the ones you've posted in your thread.

Like I said...Australia is far too remote a country for its history to really affect the rest of the world in a manner as great as the examples we discussed above.

Even IF an even does indeed affect us 100 years down the line - then it would be relevant THEN..not NOW

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.....right now, from all the history that we HAVE...none of it takes place in Australia....maybe in the next few 2-3 centuries?. I like Australia....I would love to visit it. ****...Masterchef Australia and Packed to the Rafters are followed religiously in my home......and you guys are the only other interesting Cricket team out there. But an AC game? Sorry dude..Nope.

Jazz117Volkov
04-14-2013, 01:14 PM
I with Shobhit on this one, 100%
China, India, Japan... even Russia or France, they'd all make far more interesting AC locales.
Far more historically relevant, and the cities would be infinitely more suitable for the AC gameplay.
I mean, we want the gameplay to go further in the metropolis, like a feudal Watch Dogs... no more sprinting through the frontier.

Source?
I'm Australian.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 01:15 PM
No one took it too heart it's just what you said was extremely ignorant. The gold rush in Australia helped Australia but to say it had more significance the Renaissance is just stupid.


I never said the gold rush was more significant than the Renaissance, what I mean is that these events only became common knowledge well after they occurred. For example, at the moment the British invasion of Australia and New Zealand is not common knowledge nor is it considered of "Global Importance", but in 100 years who knows?
If Australia becomes the new America, then the British invasion of Australia will become of "Global Importance".
It is hard to explain what I mean, sorry but I don't know how else to explain it.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 01:26 PM
I understood it fine...the point wasn't to show you that India was a rich country...it was to show you that the events were more significant than the ones you've posted in your thread.

Like I said...Australia is far too remote a country for its history to really affect the rest of the world in a manner as great as the examples we discussed above.

Even IF an even does indeed affect us 100 years down the line - then it would be relevant THEN..not NOW

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.....right now, from all the history that we HAVE...none of it takes place in Australia....maybe in the next few 2-3 centuries?. I like Australia....I would love to visit it. ****...Masterchef Australia and Packed to the Rafters are followed religiously in my home......and you guys are the only other interesting Cricket team out there. But an AC game? Sorry dude..Nope.

I see where you're coming from, personally I would love an Indian setting, and I say that honestly. I would prefer it much more than a Chinese setting haha. Thankyou for you're input nevertheless!

montagemik
04-14-2013, 01:28 PM
I never said the gold rush was more significant than the Renaissance, what I mean is that these events only became common knowledge well after they occurred. For example, at the moment the British invasion of Australia and New Zealand is not common knowledge nor is it considered of "Global Importance", but in 100 years who knows?
If Australia becomes the new America, then the British invasion of Australia will become of "Global Importance".
It is hard to explain what I mean, sorry but I don't know how else to explain it.


That's the part where your post finally lost credibility for me .

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 01:31 PM
That's the part where your post finally lost credibility for me .

Why?

montagemik
04-14-2013, 01:34 PM
Why?

LOL Who colonised / invaded Australia IS fairly common knowledge in 2013 i think .

roostersrule2
04-14-2013, 01:37 PM
I never said the gold rush was more significant than the Renaissance, what I mean is that these events only became common knowledge well after they occurred. For example, at the moment the British invasion of Australia and New Zealand is not common knowledge nor is it considered of "Global Importance", but in 100 years who knows?
If Australia becomes the new America, then the British invasion of Australia will become of "Global Importance".
It is hard to explain what I mean, sorry but I don't know how else to explain it.So you're saying people only learned about the Renaissance after it happened? How is the invasion of Australia and NZ not common knowledge? If it isn't global importance now it wont be in 100 years. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

Jayden26
04-14-2013, 01:41 PM
LOL Who colonised / invaded Australia IS fairly common knowledge in 2013 i think .

True but it isn't "global knowledge", I don't think people in South America, Asia, Africa, and so on are taught about the colonization/invasion of Australia and New Zealand. They might know that there are European people living in Australia but probably don't know the whole story on how they got there etc.

roostersrule2
04-14-2013, 01:49 PM
True but it isn't "global knowledge", I don't think people in South America, Asia, Africa, and so on are taught about the colonization/invasion of Australia and New Zealand. They might know that there are European people living in Australia but probably don't know the whole story on how they got there etc.Why would they care about it if they didn't know anyway.

montagemik
04-14-2013, 03:15 PM
Why would they care about it if they didn't know anyway.

LOL - I Know right , This is exactly my point ......... WHY australia ??

( apart from that kick a$$ ballroom of course )

Jayden26
04-15-2013, 12:37 PM
LOL - I Know right , This is exactly my point ......... WHY australia ??

( apart from that kick a$$ ballroom of course )

And to comment on ubisofts statement that they would only have settings that have global importance, then why did they choose to set AC4 in the carribbean in the age of piracy? Pirates didn't have a major impact on the world so I think if they got a shot then Australia and New Zealand definately do.
By the way, the:
First airplane in the world was invented in Australia not America
Women were the first to get the vote in Australia and New Zealand
First labour union movement began in Australia after the Queensland civil war
And last but not least the secret ballot was invented in Australia, I could argue the secret ballot has been more influential on society than pirates...

montagemik
04-15-2013, 01:12 PM
And to comment on ubisofts statement that they would only have settings that have global importance, then why did they choose to set AC4 in the carribbean in the age of piracy? Pirates didn't have a major impact on the world so I think if they got a shot then Australia and New Zealand definately do.
By the way, the:
First airplane in the world was invented in Australia not America
Women were the first to get the vote in Australia and New Zealand
First labour union movement began in Australia after the Queensland civil war
And last but not least the secret ballot was invented in Australia, I could argue the secret ballot has been more influential on society than pirates...

You're completely missing a MAJOR FACTOR ....................either on purpose or you just fail to see it .
INSTANT MASS APPEAL ..................................... Always a popular factor when a business is aiming to market/ sell a product.
Crusades widely known about in some way by Most of Ubisoft's target audience - Not difficult to imagine conspiracy /assassins in that setting for most = Imagination sparked for many
Rennaissance - widely known about in some way by Most of Ubisoft's target audience - Not difficult to imagine conspiracy / battle scenarios for most people = Imagination sparked for many
US Revolution - widely known about in some way by Most of Ubisoft's target audience - Not difficult to imagine conspiracy / battle scenarios for most people = Imagination sparked for many
Pirates Caribbean - widely known about in some way by Most of Ubisoft's target audience - Not difficult to imagine conspiracy / battle scenarios for most people = Imagination sparked for many.

AUSTRALIA - .............???? .................voting system :rolleyes: ......:confused: .......Unions & dancefloor :o ............:nonchalance:..
Now do you understand Ubisoft's logic ?


BTW - Aeroplanes , Aus & USA ??? ..................I think Davinci (way back in that unimportant rennaissance period that only influenced europe) had some influence on this invention.

roostersrule2
04-15-2013, 01:55 PM
And to comment on ubisofts statement that they would only have settings that have global importance, then why did they choose to set AC4 in the carribbean in the age of piracy? Pirates didn't have a major impact on the world so I think if they got a shot then Australia and New Zealand definately do.
By the way, the:
First airplane in the world was invented in Australia not America
Women were the first to get the vote in Australia and New Zealand
First labour union movement began in Australia after the Queensland civil war
And last but not least the secret ballot was invented in Australia, I could argue the secret ballot has been more influential on society than pirates...Airplanes are not important in AC, women voting is not important in AC and the Labour Union Movements are not important in AC. We're not going to have an Australian or NZ AC game, to quote Adam Orth "Deal with it".

Jayden26
04-15-2013, 03:03 PM
Airplanes are not important in AC, women voting is not important in AC and the Labour Union Movements are not important in AC. We're not going to have an Australian or NZ AC game, to quote Adam Orth "Deal with it".

Of course not you fool, I merely stated that because everyone is saying Australia has neevr changed the world globally, Australia literally invented the voting system that the West prides itself on.

Jayden26
04-15-2013, 03:05 PM
Australia/New Zealand during its colonial wars= Not difficult to imagine conspiracy/ battle scenarios for most people= Imagination sparked for many.

I sense that you are a bit anti-Australian...

And the reason why I mentioned that Australia had a royal ballroom twice the size of Queen Victorias, is to show you just how grand Australia was. We were not a tiny outpost but one of the grandest, wealthiest, and largest city of the Empire.

pacmanate
04-15-2013, 03:10 PM
Gonna be honest, as long as I can jump on stuff and the architecture is good I don't care where its set haha

THE_JOKE_KING33
04-15-2013, 03:31 PM
I'd support it. :D

montagemik
04-15-2013, 03:45 PM
Australia/New Zealand during its colonial wars= Not difficult to imagine conspiracy/ battle scenarios for most people= Imagination sparked for many.

I sense that you are a bit anti-Australian...

And the reason why I mentioned that Australia had a royal ballroom twice the size of Queen Victorias, is to show you just how grand Australia was. We were not a tiny outpost but one of the grandest, wealthiest, and largest city of the Empire.


NO Jayden - You can't add somebody else's sensible statement onto your own AUS/ NZ example & call it Correct . :rolleyes:

Many of the target audience Ubisoft have KNOW LITTLE TO NOTHING ABOUT AUS/ NZ CONFLICTS - Imagination isn't Instantly sparked for the masses - because it's only INSTANTLY RELEVANT TO AUSTRALIANS ..............Not the mass audience .

Don't try to make out this is an ANTI AUS thing - You're just ignoring the obvious on purpose.

Ask UBI for their opinion - or look at the vote pole you made .................

pirate1802
04-15-2013, 04:52 PM
BTW - Aeroplanes , Aus & USA ??? ..................I think Davinci (way back in that unimportant rennaissance period that only influenced europe) had some influence on this invention.

LOL

http://matboule.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/burn.jpg

ze_topazio
04-15-2013, 05:23 PM
Pretty much every country in the world could provide a couple of interesting scenarios, no need to open several threads about it.

lothario-da-be
04-15-2013, 07:47 PM
Great thread OP! i am completly convinced that Australia would be a very good location for an ac game. Lots of conflicts, not much done before, exotic frontier but still big and develloped cities. What do you want more? I don't understand why everyone is so harsh to you.My only worry is the combat, how much melee would it be? 20%? But as a setting fantastic!

Assassin_M
04-15-2013, 07:52 PM
Well, I`v no place to call this setting uninteresting or bland, I don't appreciate you making a dozen threads about it, but since you said this will be your last, you are forgiven, also....the anti-aussie card wont work

BATISTABUS
04-15-2013, 08:02 PM
I'm all for it...but only if we can get one of these in the game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0jRw44kZ6c&list=FLINNuvayNonKb78dtF1d2lA& index=58

pacmanate
04-15-2013, 08:27 PM
G'day!

Jayden26
04-16-2013, 04:27 AM
NO Jayden - You can't add somebody else's sensible statement onto your own AUS/ NZ example & call it Correct . :rolleyes:

Many of the target audience Ubisoft have KNOW LITTLE TO NOTHING ABOUT AUS/ NZ CONFLICTS - Imagination isn't Instantly sparked for the masses - because it's only INSTANTLY RELEVANT TO AUSTRALIANS ..............Not the mass audience .

Don't try to make out this is an ANTI AUS thing - You're just ignoring the obvious on purpose.

Ask UBI for their opinion - or look at the vote pole you made .................


I did ask ubisoft and they said they loved the idea and asked if I could post it on these forums.
The poll also has a majority saying yes/maybe...

Assassin_M
04-16-2013, 04:30 AM
The poll also has a majority saying yes/maybe...
Wot ?

http://gyazo.com/56433b0223f84b94f7e03fc8e891b65a.png?1366082977

Jayden26
04-16-2013, 04:32 AM
Great thread OP! i am completly convinced that Australia would be a very good location for an ac game. Lots of conflicts, not much done before, exotic frontier but still big and develloped cities. What do you want more? I don't understand why everyone is so harsh to you.My only worry is the combat, how much melee would it be? 20%? But as a setting fantastic!

Oh wow thankyou, at least i managed to persuade a couple of people. In terms of melee it would probably be quite similiar to AC3. Muskets were the main weapon during this era and were extremely slow to reload etc. Also the Aborigines and the Maori both used mainly melee weapons so there would be that too.
Another interesting thing is there were very few guns in australia at this time, (because Australia started as a penal colony for convicts it meant the Australian population was not allowed guns) so the main weapon used in Australia at this time were swords or hand held revolvers.

Jayden26
04-16-2013, 04:42 AM
When I wrote that it was in the slight majority, not now though.

montagemik
04-16-2013, 09:23 AM
I did ask ubisoft and they said they loved the idea and asked if I could post it on these forums.
The poll also has a majority saying yes/maybe...

:rolleyes: Yes Jayden ..............That's called 'Public Relations' PR .

You're a Ubisoft customer who contacted them with feedback ......................They weren't going to reply with 'That's a terrible idea' or ' We don't like that as a game setting ' .
Obviously they were going to tell you to post any ideas / suggestions on the forums ....................That's why games companies have forums = So they don't have to deall with the 1001 ideas people have for their games.

(you don't seem to fully comprehend how game companies come to many of their decisions - Mass appeal is often first & foremost)

MasterAssasin84
04-16-2013, 11:42 AM
NO Jayden - You can't add somebody else's sensible statement onto your own AUS/ NZ example & call it Correct . :rolleyes:

Many of the target audience Ubisoft have KNOW LITTLE TO NOTHING ABOUT AUS/ NZ CONFLICTS - Imagination isn't Instantly sparked for the masses - because it's only INSTANTLY RELEVANT TO AUSTRALIANS ..............Not the mass audience .

Don't try to make out this is an ANTI AUS thing - You're just ignoring the obvious on purpose.

Ask UBI for their opinion - or look at the vote pole you made .................


IMO i am not completely dismissing the idea because admitingly it is an interesting one but there are places i would rather see before this is even considered, i think the Pirate era had a huge impact ( Historicaly ) and it appeals to the wider audience, after reading through this thread without sounding too ignnrant i was not at all familier with the History of Australia other than the British invasion and it was used to take foreign prisoners to ( Penal State ) and Australia become part of the British comonwealth , thats as far as my knowledge goes, but the Carribean during the golden age of Piracy is far more interesting and engaging, i mean ask anyone who Blackbeard is and they will be able to tell you, the golden age of Piracy is famed worldwide and to include this in the Assassin history is very exciting.

Jayden26
04-16-2013, 01:04 PM
IMO i am not completely dismissing the idea because admitingly it is an interesting one but there are places i would rather see before this is even considered, i think the Pirate era had a huge impact ( Historicaly ) and it appeals to the wider audience, after reading through this thread without sounding too ignnrant i was not at all familier with the History of Australia other than the British invasion and it was used to take foreign prisoners to ( Penal State ) and Australia become part of the British comonwealth , thats as far as my knowledge goes, but the Carribean during the golden age of Piracy is far more interesting and engaging, i mean ask anyone who Blackbeard is and they will be able to tell you, the golden age of Piracy is famed worldwide and to include this in the Assassin history is very exciting.

Thanks for somewhat agreeing with me, and as I've stated before yes I believe the franchise should go to several more places mainly Asia and West Europe before it comes to the far south. And fyi I always believed that blackbeard was just a myth!!! Lol :P

MasterAssasin84
04-16-2013, 01:10 PM
Thanks for somewhat agreeing with me, and as I've stated before yes I believe the franchise should go to several more places mainly Asia and West Europe before it comes to the far south. And fyi I always believed that blackbeard was just a myth!!! Lol :P

Actualy he was very real his name name was Edward Teach , not much is known but it is believed he was born near Bristol in the UK, as i said i would not dismiss the idea because it could very well work but, as you say there are places as fans we want to see first before the franchise goes in that direction.

Azula2005
04-16-2013, 01:22 PM
Wow... Jayden26, the majority is against you, but you still pose a strong fight...What a worrier!

Jayden26
04-16-2013, 01:56 PM
:rolleyes: Yes Jayden ..............That's called 'Public Relations' PR .

You're a Ubisoft customer who contacted them with feedback ......................They weren't going to reply with 'That's a terrible idea' or ' We don't like that as a game setting ' .
Obviously they were going to tell you to post any ideas / suggestions on the forums ....................That's why games companies have forums = So they don't have to deall with the 1001 ideas people have for their games.

(you don't seem to fully comprehend how game companies come to many of their decisions - Mass appeal is often first & foremost)

That could be true what you said but I'm not so sure. They didn't just tell me to post it on the forums (meaning leave me alone!) I spoke to one official for quite some time and he seemed genuinely interested in the concept, asking me for plot details and so forth.

montagemik
04-16-2013, 01:58 PM
That could be true what you said but I'm not so sure. They didn't just tell me to post it on the forums (meaning leave me alone!) I spoke to one official for quite some time and he seemed genuinely interested in the concept, asking me for plot details and so forth.

I Don't doubt he did speak to you for a while ....................That's PR , plain & simple.

MasterAssasin84
04-16-2013, 01:58 PM
That could be true what you said but I'm not so sure. They didn't just tell me to post it on the forums (meaning leave me alone!) I spoke to one official for quite some time and he seemed genuinely interested in the concept, asking me for plot details and so forth.

So they are considering it ??

Jayden26
04-16-2013, 02:04 PM
So they are considering it ??

I sent a different concept from the one I posted here to Ubisoft Montreal, the guy I spoke to was interested of that I have no doubt, he said he would hand it in to the development teams to take a look at the idea but I haven't heard back since,

roostersrule2
04-16-2013, 02:36 PM
I sent a different concept from the one I posted here to Ubisoft Montreal, the guy I spoke to was interested of that I have no doubt, he said he would hand it in to the development teams to take a look at the idea but I haven't heard back since,If you are telling the truth, any hope you had of this actually happening was vanished with this thread.

MasterAssasin84
04-16-2013, 02:46 PM
If you are telling the truth, any hope you had of this actually happening was vanished with this thread.

Actualy i would like to see those replies fron ubi.

AvK KiNgKoBrA
04-16-2013, 05:06 PM
How are a bunch of pics an a few facts supposed to cinvince me AC should be in Australia/New Zealand

lothario-da-be
04-16-2013, 05:11 PM
How are a bunch of pics an a few facts supposed to cinvince me AC should be in Australia/New Zealand
The fact that Australia was far more developped then colonial America.

pirate1802
04-16-2013, 05:41 PM
MEH.The next AC should take place in my backyard. Its got a really interesting cultural heritage with a lot of backstabbing and conspiracies! And my house is the perfect place to parkour.. plus it would feature the most interesting character ever: ME! Make it happen Ubi!!

CalgaryJay
04-16-2013, 05:43 PM
I voted no, not interested in that region for an AC game. Any history would be too recent (like IMO AC3 was borderline getting into), and its history is not well known enough worldwide. And just so it doesn't sound like I'm picking on your country, I wouldn't want an AC game to take place in Canada either, pretty much for the exact same reasons.

Jayden26
04-17-2013, 01:44 AM
MEH.The next AC should take place in my backyard. Its got a really interesting cultural heritage with a lot of backstabbing and conspiracies! And my house is the perfect place to parkour.. plus it would feature the most interesting character ever: ME! Make it happen Ubi!!
Why are you such a troll?

Megas_Doux
04-17-2013, 01:51 AM
Why are you such a troll?

Why do you make the same thread 8 times?

Legendz54
04-17-2013, 04:29 AM
You seem very obsessed with having a game in Australia, If people dont agree with you on wanting a game in Australia just leave them alone and stop trying to force them to like it. Now your calling us Anti Australian for not agreeing with you.... Come on.. I live in Australia and even i wouldn't want it here. Its a great setting but in my opinion they can go to better places.

pirate1802
04-17-2013, 06:00 AM
Why are you such a troll?

I was serious. :| Maybe I should send this proposal to ubisoft, see what they reply. Then I'll create the Official Assassin's Creed: Pirate's backyard thread.

Gi1t
04-17-2013, 06:04 AM
Voted yes :). I really liked the frontier in AC3, so I wouldn't mind a game that was primarily nature focused. And Australia does have some spectacular nature and New Zealand perhaps even more so. But there are plenty of other historic eras and locations I would like too.

Yeah, it may be tough to dig up historical figures (particularly ones that will help sell the game to the American market), but there's no denying that Australia and New Zealand are spectacular to look at at least.

ProletariatPleb
04-17-2013, 06:18 AM
I don't think Australia will work. Frontier worked for America because it had nothing much to offer otherwise, and was a horribly boring and bland setting. Last I remember it was Assassin's Creed not Tarzan, so as a one time thing it was okay but please don't force the nature BS in an AC game, I'd rather they bring back assassinations.

Assassin_M
04-17-2013, 06:19 AM
Frontier worked for America because it had nothing much to offer otherwise, and was a horribly boring and bland setting.
You`re anti american and you clearly have an Agenda

ProletariatPleb
04-17-2013, 06:22 AM
You`re anti american and you clearly have an Agenda
Yes I'm also working for Kim Jong Un as a spy.

And I really find the setting to be even worse than Rome. Boring, bland, a wasteland typically.

Assassin_M
04-17-2013, 06:27 AM
Yes I'm also working for Kim Jong Un as a spy.

And I really find the setting to be even worse than Rome. Boring, bland, a wasteland typically.
My god, you`re worse than we thought

Jayden26
04-17-2013, 06:30 AM
You seem very obsessed with having a game in Australia, If people dont agree with you on wanting a game in Australia just leave them alone and stop trying to force them to like it. Now your calling us Anti Australian for not agreeing with you.... Come on.. I live in Australia and even i wouldn't want it here. Its a great setting but in my opinion they can go to better places.

No I am calling you anti-Australian because you are, like i said before sh*ty architecture of Havana is given praise but grand architecture of Melbourne = "Oh that's horrible, terrible setting, etc"

Whatever I give up, everyone on here hates my country one way or another...

Assassin_M
04-17-2013, 06:31 AM
Whatever I give up, everyone on here hates my country one way or another...
Lol...that made my day xD

You`re childish, ridiculous, Ironic and HILARIOUS

pirate1802
04-17-2013, 06:37 AM
Whatever I give up, everyone on here hates my country one way or another...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EQ6eHeBrhM

Ichrukia56
04-17-2013, 06:37 AM
Not everyone mate I still think it could make a good idea

Jack-Reacher
04-17-2013, 06:40 AM
Well I live in NZ, honestly I love the nature here so yes I would love to roam around doing free running and such.

Playing in the frontier in AC3 was the main highlight of the game for me, and I think it could be done even better in NZ or even AUS. Also NZ had loads of wars over Maori Pa's and such on mountains, I can see some interesting assassination missions going on.

However havign said all that no, it wouldnt work in reality.

Black_Widow9
04-17-2013, 07:43 AM
Come on guys. Knock it off. If it is something you don't want then fine. I'm sure you voted No. There is no need to harass the OP. :/

Assassin_M
04-17-2013, 08:08 AM
Come on guys. Knock it off. If it is something you don't want then fine. I'm sure you voted No. There is no need to harass the OP. :/
would you be surprised If I told you that I voted yes ?? Probably..

Legendz54
04-17-2013, 09:03 AM
No I am calling you anti-Australian because you are, like i said before sh*ty architecture of Havana is given praise but grand architecture of Melbourne = "Oh that's horrible, terrible setting, etc"

Whatever I give up, everyone on here hates my country one way or another...

If im anti Australian (I live in Australia... lol) then your anti on every other setting other then Australia. So now every person who doesn't exactly want a setting in Australia now "hates your country" lol this is gold.

roostersrule2
04-17-2013, 09:27 AM
If im anti Australian (I live in Australia... lol) then your anti on every other setting other then Australia. So now every person who doesn't exactly want a setting in Australia now "hates your country" lol this is gold.Indeed I apparently I hate my own country.

MasterAssasin84
04-17-2013, 10:19 AM
No I am calling you anti-Australian because you are, like i said before sh*ty architecture of Havana is given praise but grand architecture of Melbourne = "Oh that's horrible, terrible setting, etc"

Whatever I give up, everyone on here hates my country one way or another...

Woah Hangon hangon there mate , i have been to Havana and it has some amazing architecture, like i said in my previous posts i am not dismissing your idea because its certainly a unique one but to flame some one and call a fellow native anti australian just because they dont agree with your concept is a little shallow IMO.. i was in Havana last year and i stayed in the saratoga which was in the san Felipe district and i can assure you it was amazing and the architecture was extremely grand and elegent and still had the markings and atmosphere of the 16th and 17th centuary, i havana there was no flashy sports cars and built up areas and it had so much character.

I live in London and to be honest i am in no hurry to see an AC set here as there are more interesting settings i would like to see first - doe not make me any less patriotic of my country.

Jayden26
04-17-2013, 10:25 AM
Woah Hangon hangon there mate , i have been to Havana and it has some amazing architecture, like i said in my previous posts i am not dismissing your idea because its certainly a unique one but to flame some one and call a fellow native anti australian just because they dont agree with your concept is a little shallow IMO.. i was in Havana last year and i stayed in the saratoga which was in the san Felipe district and i can assure you it was amazing and the architecture was extremely grand and elegent and still had the markings and atmosphere of the 16th and 17th centuary, i havana there was no flashy sports cars and built up areas and it had so much character.

I live in London and to be honest i am in no hurry to see an AC set here as there are more interesting settings i would like to see first - doe not make me any less patriotic of my country.

No you're right Australia is crap you win.

Jayden26
04-17-2013, 10:26 AM
would you be surprised If I told you that I voted yes ?? Probably..

I don't believe that you did, but can i ask why?

roostersrule2
04-17-2013, 10:27 AM
No you're right Australia is crap you win.Haha and they say ignorance is a bliss, lol@them.

MasterAssasin84
04-17-2013, 10:29 AM
No you're right Australia is crap you win.


No one is saying that at all mate Australia is not crap at all in all honesty i really loved Byron Bay when i visited it so no it aint crap, i think the issue is that your trying to force your concept on people so much that it is becoming exasperating, maybe we will see Assassins Creed there one day but IMO not just yet !! i am still gunning for the far east .

Jayden26
04-17-2013, 10:31 AM
Haha and they say ignorance is a bliss, lol@them.

I'm not going to continue arguing for the sake of it. They have clearly stated that they think Australia is crap.... So they win whatever.

Jayden26
04-17-2013, 10:34 AM
No one is saying that at all mate Australia is not crap at all in all honesty i really loved Byron Bay when i visited it so no it aint crap, i think the issue is that your trying to force your concept on people so much that it is becoming exasperating, maybe we will see Assassins Creed there one day but IMO not just yet !! i am still gunning for the far east .

Don't be ridiculous, Australia doesn't have any interesting architecture, boring landscapes, and no history. Even you yourself said it is a bad location.

MasterAssasin84
04-17-2013, 10:37 AM
Don't be ridiculous, Australia doesn't have any interesting architecture, boring landscapes, and no history. Even you yourself said it is a bad location.

When did you see my write it was a bad location ? hmm ? i said its very interesting and certainly has potential but there are some places i want to see first, does not mean i think anything less of it.

You clearly are very patriotic which is a good thing as i am too but i do n ot want an Assassins Creed in London because i work in the city and its just plain bland it does not none the less make un proud of my country .

ProletariatPleb
04-17-2013, 10:40 AM
I'm not going to continue arguing for the sake of it. They have clearly stated that they think Australia is crap.... So they win whatever.
Yes we are all saying Australia is crap and redbacks climb into your nose and kangaroos jump around on cars and drop bears attack sharks out of nowhere and fly helicopters. And stingrays hump Quokkas.

Right?? right?!?!?!


Oh and this:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/560076_350496048383333_2042745870_n.jpg

Are you happy yet? Do we need to try and say "australia is crap" more to make you happy?

Jayden26
04-17-2013, 10:42 AM
When did you see my write it was a bad location ? hmm ? i said its very interesting and certainly has potential but there are some places i want to see first, does not mean i think anything less of it.

You clearly are very patriotic which is a good thing as i am too but i do n ot want an Assassins Creed in London because i work in the city and its just plain bland it does not none the less make un proud of my country .

I don't want to argue anymore and for that I'm just giving what you all want to hear, yes Australia is crap fine I get it

Assassin_M
04-17-2013, 10:43 AM
I don't want to argue anymore and for that I'm just giving what you all want to hear, yes Australia is crap fine I get it
are you 5 ??

pirate1802
04-17-2013, 10:43 AM
lol this thread..

MasterAssasin84
04-17-2013, 10:43 AM
I don't want to argue anymore and for that I'm just giving what you all want to hear, yes Australia is crap fine I get it

I was not flaming you mate just giving my opinion thats all , and once again i never said your idea was crap because its unique i give you that.

ze_topazio
04-17-2013, 11:02 AM
Now you're reacting like a 12 year old brat.

domsi999
04-17-2013, 12:18 PM
Introduction:
Hello everyone, I know I have made a few threads similiar to this before, but I promise this will be my last thread about it. I will gather all the best ideas I have come up with in my previous threads and post them here in an ultimate collection for you to view. Please no trolls saying "oh another one -_-" etc. I will try to convince not only the developers that hopefully will see this, but also each and every one of you. Once again I ask that you do not comment or vote in the poll UNTIL you have read my argument. I am quite certain I can convince everyone to vote for this as a setting. Thankyou!
(I will keep this in order so that it is both easy for the reader to understand and comprehend)

***Locations***

First off let's start with the location shall we?
Location: Australia and New Zealand
Main Cities: Melbourne and Sydney
Minor Cities: Wellington or Auckland
AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND

MasterAssasin84
04-17-2013, 04:57 PM
Now you're reacting like a 12 year old brat.

And the Protagonist..... none other than

http://the-illuminati.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1c656__crocodile-dundee-knife.jpg

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 02:30 AM
And the Protagonist..... none other than

http://the-illuminati.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1c656__crocodile-dundee-knife.jpg

Yet more blatent racism against Australians on here....

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 03:29 AM
Yet more blatent racism against Australians on here....
Australia isn't a race

pirate1802
04-18-2013, 04:48 AM
and the protagonist..... None other than

http://the-illuminati.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1c656__crocodile-dundee-knife.jpg

Lmfao!


Australia isn't a race

Countryism maybe?

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 05:37 AM
Lmfao!



Countryism maybe?


So if i said all indians are dirty and stink would that be considered racist??

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 05:37 AM
So if i said all indians are dirty and stink would that be considered racist??
Nope...Just idiotic

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 05:38 AM
Nope...

And if I said all Egyptians were sandmonkeys?

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 05:40 AM
And if I said all Egyptians were sandmonkeys?
Well we have sand...naaaaah

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 05:42 AM
Naaaaah....

What a load of rubbish of course you would be offended.
Just as the same when someone brands my country as rednecks, it IS racist.

pirate1802
04-18-2013, 05:44 AM
So if i said all indians are dirty and stink would that be considered racist??

Nape.

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 05:46 AM
Nape.

Lol at you're hypocrisy, so Indians don't think "dirty smelly savages" is racist but an Indian gets bashed in Australia and Indians riot through the streets, Indian media label Ausralia racist, etc..

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 05:48 AM
What a load of rubbish of course you would be offended.
Just as the same when someone brands my country as rednecks, it IS racist.
No it`s not and i`d be offended if i`m 11............or a *******. which ever you like

pirate1802
04-18-2013, 05:49 AM
Lol at you're hypocrisy, so Indians don't think "dirty smelly savages" is racist but an Indian gets bashed in Australia and Indians riot through the streets, Indian media label Ausralia racist, etc..

Hypocrisy? Show me where I personally labelled Australians racist for those incidents?
IMO, Indians are the biggest racist jerks on the face of god's green Earth. When they get a taste of their own medicine abroad they cry.. *shrugs*

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 05:51 AM
Show me where I personally labelled Australia racist?
IMO, Indians are the biggest racist jerks on the face of god's green Earth. When they get a taste of their own medicine abroad they cry.. *shrugs*
Oi.... don't play his game and turn this into something political...i.e dumber than it already is

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 05:51 AM
No it`s not and i`d be offended if i`m 11............or a *******. which ever you like

LOL at the hypocrisy, so Egyptians don't think "sandmonkey" is racist but Jabba the Hutt is?
http://now.msn.com/lego-accused-of-racism-over-jabba-the-hutt-palace

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 05:53 AM
LOL at the hypocrisy, so Egyptians don't think "sandmonkey" is racist but Jabba the Hutt is?
http://now.msn.com/lego-accused-of-racism-over-jabba-the-hutt-palace
My god.....You`re actually doing this ?? Wow, mate....there`s not a mention of the word EGYPTIAN in the entire article xD

Look, mate (I still think there`s this adult I can talk to in you who`ll understand) CALM THE **** DOWN

chill pill <---------take it

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 05:57 AM
My god.....You`re actually doing this ?? Wow, mate....there`s not a mention of the word EGYPTIAN in the entire article xD

Look, mate (I still think there`s this adult I can talk to in you who`ll understand) CALM THE **** DOWN

chill pill <---------take it

There's no difference between a Turk and an egyptian, you are all semitic peoples.

I am sick to death of blatent RACISM against Australians on here, yes it is RACIST. Thats like me putting up a picture of a terrorist and saying all Egyptians are terrorists, would you find it offensive?? Yes you would!
So don't do it to my nationality!!

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 06:01 AM
There's no difference between a Turk and an egyptian, you are all semitic peoples.

I am sick to death of blatent RACISM against Australians on here, yes it is RACIST. Thats like me putting up a picture of a terrorist and saying all Egyptians are terrorists, would you find it offensive?? Yes you would!
So don't do it to my nationality!!
Stop being hilarious...most of the bulk of Turks are not Semites....20% are Kurds, Kurds are the Semites...20% of the Modern turks are Semites...80% is not

that`ll be 50$ for the lesson and waste of my time.....Hilarity, though...totally worth it

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 06:04 AM
And the Protagonist..... none other than

http://the-illuminati.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1c656__crocodile-dundee-knife.jpg

I have reported you MasterAssasin84

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 06:05 AM
Stop being hilarious...most of the bulk of Turks are not Semites....20% are Kurds, Kurds are the Semites...20% of the Modern turks are Semites...80% is not

that`ll be 50$ for the lesson and waste of my time.....Hilarity, though...totally worth it

Do you even know what a semite is??
Semite= Language groups native to the Middle East
It is not a race, it's a language group that's 50$ for the lesson

montagemik
04-18-2013, 06:07 AM
There's no difference between a Turk and an egyptian, you are all semitic peoples.

I am sick to death of blatent RACISM against Australians on here, yes it is RACIST. Thats like me putting up a picture of a terrorist and saying all Egyptians are terrorists, would you find it offensive?? Yes you would!
So don't do it to my nationality!!


TBH Jayden , YOU are the one with any 'RACE' issue in this thread ................... Doesn't matter what anybody says or Explains to you - however logical. .
YOU Have a persecution complex i think ............................... A Photo of 'Paul Hogan' as a movie character = RACIST in your eyes :rolleyes:


POOR choice for a location - END OF .

pirate1802
04-18-2013, 06:07 AM
If you found any post racist, why not just report them and let the mods take care of it? I'm sure they are wise enough.

I think people are just tired of these threads of yours, like the folks over at GTA forums as you said.

I'm sure Australia is a lovely country with a rich heritage, but I'm not so sure about any historically important even (of global importance) occurring there.. which other people have pointed out. What my jab a few pages back with the Assassins Creed: Pirate's Backyard post was meant to signify, is that any and every place will seem "interesting" if you look for it hard enough. But you've got to take a few steps back and look at it from a higher angle. That and calling people racist over nonexistent issues and calling other settings ****ty certainly aren't helping your cause in any shape or form.

You can't force people to like something they don't. (Unless you're a Templar, in which case you're awesome and totally allowed to do that). Accept that and move on?

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 06:08 AM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01416/osamaBinLaden_1416164c.jpg

Assassin's Creed set in Egypt, and the protagonist... none other!


See my point?

montagemik
04-18-2013, 06:10 AM
If you found any post racist, why not just report them and let the mods take care of it? I'm sure they are wise enough.

I think people are just tired of these threads of yours, like the folks over at GTA forums as you said.

I'm sure Australia is a lovely country with a rich heritage, but I'm not so sure about any historically important even (of global importance) occurring there.. which other people have pointed out. What my jab a few pages back with the Assassins Creed: Pirate's Backyard post was meant to signify, is that any and every place will seem "interesting" if you look for it hard enough. But you've got to take a few steps back and look at it from a higher angle. That and calling people racist and calling other settings ****ty certainly aren't helping your cause in any shape or form.

You can't force people to like something they don't. (Unless you're a Templar, in which case you're awesome and totally allowed to do that). Accept that and move on?

You're wasting your words Pirate ......................Disagreement with Jayden = RACIST .

montagemik
04-18-2013, 06:12 AM
Assassin's Creed set in Egypt, and the protagonist... none other!


See my point?

NO - Egypt would be highly suitable as a location .
AUSTRALIA - WOULDN'T

DO YOU SEE OUR POINT ?

pirate1802
04-18-2013, 06:14 AM
You're wasting your words Pirate ......................Disagreement with Jayden = RACIST .

Well, since he mentioned me by name in another thread of his as a BIG Australia-basher I tried to clear the air a little. Whether he takes these words or not, thats his job and I couldn't care less about it. Moving on....

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 06:14 AM
You're wasting your words Pirate ......................Disagreement with Jayden = RACIST .

That's funny coming from a Briton seeming as 60 thousand Australians sacrificed themselves in the first world war for Britain. YET when Australia was under invasion in WW2, what did Britain send us?? Nothing, they spat in our faces so don't talk to me about racism.

montagemik
04-18-2013, 06:17 AM
that's funny coming from a briton seeming as 60 thousand australians sacrificed themselves in the first world war for britain. Yet when australia was under invasion in ww2, what did britain send us?? Nothing, they spat in our faces so don't talk to me about racism.


lol ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you mad bro ?

ProletariatPleb
04-18-2013, 06:18 AM
That's funny coming from a Briton seeming as 60 thousand Australians sacrificed themselves in the first world war for Britain. YET when Australia was under invasion in WW2, what did Britain send us?? Nothing, they spat in our faces so don't talk to me about racism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

http://i.imgur.com/jBQsZsU.jpg

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 06:19 AM
lol ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you mad bro ?

Britain owed us for our sacrifice, but when we needed their help what did they do??

Nothing, literally, you sat there and watched us be invaded.

Our sacrifice meant nothing to Britain, they USED us.

pirate1802
04-18-2013, 06:20 AM
Britain owed us for our sacrifice, but when we needed their help what did they do??

Nothing, literally, you sat there and watched us be invaded.

Our sacrifice meant nothing to Britain, they USED us.

Must be because all those British are racist jerks... amirite?

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 06:21 AM
Do you even know what a semite is??
Semite= Language groups native to the Middle East
It is not a race, it's a language group that's 50$ for the lesson
*face-palm*
It was ONLY a language group in the past, but now it extended to Geography and Ethnicity as well...

Nice try, though....You`re still hilarious...continue to amuse me

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 06:21 AM
Must be because all those British are racist jerks... amirite?


Australians are the same race as Britons stupid

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 06:22 AM
stupid
WAAAAAA i`m gonna report you for insult and battery WAAAAAAAAAAA

pirate1802
04-18-2013, 06:22 AM
Australians are the same race as Britons stupid

So when someone is making fun of Australians and being racists, they are insulting Britons too?

Wow, MasterAssassin just ****** off a whole lot Brits too! :eek: Infact he insulted himself seeing as his Location is London :rolleyes:

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 06:23 AM
So when someone is making fun of Australia and being racists, they are insulting Britons too?
I think he just did that

Jayden26
04-18-2013, 06:26 AM
So when someone is making fun of Australians and being racists, they are insulting Britons too?

Wow, MasterAssassin just ****** off a whole lot Brits too! :eek: Infact he insulted himself seeing as his Location is London :rolleyes:

Why change you're story now?
btw Australia is a different culture to Britain it is still racist nonetheless

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 06:27 AM
it is still racist nonetheless
No it`s not

ProletariatPleb
04-18-2013, 06:31 AM
I have a song for you, rhyming isn't so good in some places but still I tried

He is the very model of a modern Racist Australian,
He has information vegetable, animal, and mineral,
He knows the kings of England, and quotes the fights historical
From Bushrangers to World War 2, in order categorical;
He's very well acquainted, too, with matters aboriginal,
But doesn't understand answers, both logical and opinions,
About world war 2 he's teeming with a lot o' news,
With many cheerful facts about the history of Australia.
He is not very good at making point only assumptions,
He hardly knows the names of beings animalculous:
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
He is the very model of a modern Racist Australian.

pirate1802
04-18-2013, 06:31 AM
Why change you're story now?

To add clarity.


btw Australia is a different culture to Britain it is still racist nonetheless

Maybe that's why Brits didn't send love to Australia in WW2... right?

montagemik
04-18-2013, 06:32 AM
Britain owed us for our sacrifice, but when we needed their help what did they do??

Nothing, literally, you sat there and watched us be invaded.

Our sacrifice meant nothing to Britain, they USED us.

Soldiers in the Australian Army signed up or were Conscripted 'FOR THEIR COUNTRY' ................. Just like every soldier in England .
You're not Happy what YOUR COUNTRY sent them to do - ASK YOUR COUNTRY FOR AN APOLOGY .

You sure as heck ain't getting one from Me or anyone else here for acts in WW2 . ................................... ( BTW it's now 2013 - time to move on )

MasterAssasin84
04-18-2013, 08:02 AM
Yet more blatent racism against Australians on here....

flagging the racist card because people don't agree with you !! your are begining to sound like a pathetic child !! grow up.

So if thats Racist why dont you go and complain to the film company who created the character ?

ProletariatPleb
04-18-2013, 08:50 AM
flagging the racist card because people don't agree with you !! your are begining to sound like a pathetic child !! grow up.

So if thats Racist why dont you go and complain to the film company who created the character ?
You are racist!

Deal with it
http://i.imgur.com/kI72tUG.gif

roostersrule2
04-18-2013, 09:13 AM
It sad how I'm actually surrounded by morons like this guy every day that do not understand logic and when they get a little criticism they think the world hates them #cut4Australia .

MasterAssasin84
04-18-2013, 09:50 AM
It sad how I'm actually surrounded by morons like this guy every day that do not understand logic and when they get a little criticism they think the world hates them #cut4Australia .

We are Racist apparantly:rolleyes: :rolleyes:.


I am against an Assassins Creed set in Victorian England but thats my opinion so on the basis of that im just a small minded Racist....

MasterAssasin84
04-18-2013, 09:54 AM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01416/osamaBinLaden_1416164c.jpg

Assassin's Creed set in Egypt, and the protagonist... none other!


See my point?

No I dont because Bin Laden was not Egyptian , he was infact from Suadi Arabia.... two completely different countries,

roostersrule2
04-18-2013, 10:06 AM
No I dont because Bin Laden was not Egyptian , he was infact from Suadi Arabia.... two completely different countries, Apparently they have invented travel.

shobhit7777777
04-18-2013, 10:06 AM
Yet more blatent racism against Australians on here....

http://i.qkme.me/36bnqd.jpg


Blatant racism?

Frankly, the ONLY offensive comments made, have been made by you regarding Egyptians, Indians and Turks....you are behaving like a closest racist

The 'Croc Dundee' pic was a joke....a humorous stereotype meant to poke fun. It didn't have any underlying hate in it
Its racism when there is hate behind it

You've gone off an a complete tangent kneejerking all over this thread

We need to lighten up and laugh at our stereotypes and ignorance...unless you can't ridicule it...its going to be an issue.


You're going on my ignore list buddy....I suggest the others do the exact same. And BTW Congrats..you'll be the first person on there. Mods lock this thread please.

MasterAssasin84
04-18-2013, 10:19 AM
http://i.qkme.me/36bnqd.jpg


Blatant racism?

Frankly, the ONLY offensive comments made, have been made by you regarding Egyptians, Indians and Turks....you are behaving like a closest racist

The 'Croc Dundee' pic was a joke....a humorous stereotype meant to poke fun. It didn't have any underlying hate in it
Its racism when there is hate behind it

You've gone off an a complete tangent kneejerking all over this thread

We need to lighten up and laugh at our stereotypes and ignorance...unless you can't ridicule it...its going to be an issue.


You're going on my ignore list buddy....I suggest the others do the exact same. And BTW Congrats..you'll be the first person on there. Mods lock this thread please.

The ignorance is uncanny !! They wear a Shemagh and what do you know they are all the same :rolleyes: i have been all over the Middle east and i can tell you that the middle east is very different to Egypt, people dont realise that Egypt is North Africa lool !!

ze_topazio
04-18-2013, 10:47 AM
Disliking other countries is called xenophobia, not racism, by the way. :cool:

Assassin_M
04-18-2013, 10:51 AM
Disliking other countries is called xenophobia, not racism, by the way. :cool:
OP`s house, tomorrow morning and PREACH

ProletariatPleb
04-18-2013, 01:30 PM
OP`s house, tomorrow morning and PREACH
That's........preachist!

sajber00
04-18-2013, 01:47 PM
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/296/353/760.gif

Jayden, stop it. Maybe Australia would be a nice place, but most of the people don't want this. It's not racist to post C. Dundee pictures, they don't hate australia. But they don't want an AC game in australia.

lothario-da-be
04-18-2013, 07:02 PM
How can you be racist against your own race?
edit: 1500 posts!!! weejooo

Jayden26
04-19-2013, 03:31 AM
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/296/353/760.gif

Jayden, stop it. Maybe Australia would be a nice place, but most of the people don't want this. It's not racist to post C. Dundee pictures, they don't hate australia. But they don't want an AC game in australia.

I'll stop it when you stop harrassing my country.

pirate1802
04-19-2013, 04:36 AM
This thread is still going on? Naish!

Assassin_M
04-19-2013, 04:45 AM
Why is this still open ??