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SaintPerkele
03-26-2013, 12:56 AM
We had a similar thread back then when ACIII was announced and everybody was worried that the cities would be small and boring.
So after the release of the gameplay-trailer which did not do much in order to make the urban areas look huge and interesting, this thread is dedicated to buildings that we'll hopefully see in AC:BF (and should, judging by the time they were built).
Old maps and paintings are, as last time, welcomed too!

I'll start with some stuff mostly gathered from various Wikipedia articles:
Havana
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Panorama_of_La_Habana_(Amsterdam%2C_17th_century). jpg(17th century painting)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/1740_Plan_of_the_city_and_harbour_of_the_Havanna_s ituated_on_the_island_of_Cuba_BPL_m8628.png
(Map of Havana in 1740)

- Castillo de la Real Fuerza
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/CastillodelaFuerza.jpg
Built during the 16th century against pirates. Hands down, this will either be a secret location or part of some important missions. Also has a watchtower with a statue which is somewhat of a symbol of Havana, definitely a viewpoint in BF.

- Morro Castle
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Castillodelmorro.jpgGuarding entrance to Havana Bay. There was also a chain across the water sometimes, just like in Constantinople, which connected this fort to La Punta, a similar fort on the other side. Both of these will definitely appear.

- Cathedral of Havana
While it was technically not built before Edward died, it is definitely present in the game judging on screenshots and concept art (thus I'm not posting a photo, I'm sure all of you have seen it already). The church was built on the same spot as a former church, so I'll suppose that's how they are going to explain it in-game.
The Plaza de Armas is in front of it.

-Basilica Menor de San Francisco de Asis
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Basilica_Menor_de_San_Francisco_de_Asis_in_havana. JPG/800px-Basilica_Menor_de_San_Francisco_de_Asis_in_havana. JPG
Originally built sometime during the 16th century, it was slightly changed in 1730, but I suppose it will look just like that in-game. Secret location, I suppose!

- Plaza Vieja (Old Square)
During the events of BF, the square acted as one of the main market squares in the cities.

SaintPerkele
03-26-2013, 01:03 AM
Now about Passau and Kingston - I can't find anything.
Most important buildings in Passau were constructed shortly after Edward's death and Kingston was during BF just established for a maximum of 30 years..

Abeonis
03-26-2013, 01:45 AM
Passau is in southern Germany, which, considering the fact you are from Germany, I would have thought you would know. Nassau is the name you're after.

SaintPerkele
03-26-2013, 02:06 AM
Passau is in southern Germany, which, considering the fact you are from Germany, I would have thought you would know. Nassau is the name you're after.
Eh, typo, sorry. I'm aware it's called Nassau ;)

ACfan443
04-06-2013, 09:12 PM
This video does a pretty good job showcasing Havana's key landmarks and traditional buildings (it includes some contemporary architecture, so just disregard that).
It's a little on the lengthy side, so watching around half to get a little taste should suffice.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKBFmXoMayI

The buildings look incredible.

kriegerdesgottes
04-06-2013, 10:16 PM
This is a good thread. I am worried about the cities in this one. I know they say that 60% of the game is land based but the cities would be even more underdeveloped than Boston and New York were considering it's about 50 years earlier. I did read that Kingston was one of the biggest trading ports in the Caribbean at the time but I am still worried about the cities.

Megas_Doux
04-06-2013, 10:22 PM
This is a good thread. I am worried about the cities in this one. I know they say that 60% of the game is land based but the cities would be even more underdeveloped than Boston and New York were considering it's about 50 years earlier. I did read that Kingston was one of the biggest trading ports in the Caribbean at the time but I am still worried about the cities.

La Habana was founded in 1515, so is 200 years old during the timeframe of the game, also had a population of 70 000 people, which is more than Boston and NY combined in AC3. It was the third biggest city in continent -being the largest and richest one in the caribbean- only behind Mexico and Lima, other two huge spanish settlements.

The buildings worth it an UNESCO World heritage site for La habana date from the era of ACIV also. Believe me, a gorgeus city is on its way.....

So is fair to say that it would a good sized and developed city. Nassau and kingston were shorter though.

ACfan443
04-06-2013, 10:33 PM
This is a good thread. I am worried about the cities in this one. I know they say that 60% of the game is land based but the cities would be even more underdeveloped than Boston and New York were considering it's about 50 years earlier..

Just look at the pictures the OP posted, and the video I posted, it certainly wasn't underdeveloped. Boston and NY look like children in comparison.

Rugterwyper32
04-06-2013, 10:34 PM
For Nassau, I found some landmarks doing some noticeable investigation, and I don't doubt they'll add some stuff from later on even if it's historically inaccurate. I wholly expect deviations, like adding the Government house which was built almost 25 years later (well, the original building, that changed). Actually, I expect more deviations than anywhere else to make it a more interesting city, but we'll see

Blackbeard's Tower (Just crumbling remains, I'm sure they'll make it interesting):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/BLACKBEARD%27S_TOWER,_NASSAU,_BAHAMAS.jpg

Christ Church:

http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/christ-church-nassau-warren-thompson.jpg

Government House:

http://www.oldbahamas.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/GovernmentHouse5.jpg.w560h359.jpg

Fort Montagu:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_l5sxHdgU8KU/TRjw-Vt38XI/AAAAAAAAIZ0/wIOYXsW24Z8/s1600/Fort.JPG

Rugterwyper32
04-06-2013, 10:52 PM
For Kingston, I've found a few, and I saw that they displayed the older version of the Parish Church before it was destroyed by the earthquake in the trailer, and there's places like St Peter's Church which apparently was rebuilt later on because of, you guessed it, earthquakes. So wonder what we might see. I wholly expect a few historical innacuracies though.

Rockfort:
http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/10/42610-004-BBC931E1.jpg

St. Peter's Church:

http://www.jtbonline.org/resources/imagelibrary/Architecture/St.%20Peter%27s%20Church%20Kn_bl_St.%20Peter%27sc0 2.JPG

Fort Charles:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6025/5939312846_051be28991_o.jpg

Parish Church:

http://i.imgur.com/BxhGmCD.jpg

I fully expect them to add landmarks and stuff that didn't exist, the AC1 way. Considering the amount of devastating earthquakes and stuff and overall lack of documentation, that gives them some space for that.

ACfan443
04-06-2013, 11:17 PM
^nice work :)
You should post one for Havana as well. (Even though the OP's already done one) more the better :D

SaintPerkele
04-06-2013, 11:30 PM
Great job, Rugterwyper, thanks! I'm hoping for some AC1-like invented, yet possible, landmarks too, but this didn't really happen since the introduction of database entries.

Rugterwyper32
04-06-2013, 11:37 PM
Thank you! And well, Havana is a lot easier to work with, admittedly.

Church of Angel Custodio (built in 1695, so this might have been rebuilt)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Church_of_Angel_Custodio%2C_Havana.jpg

Old painting of Plaza de Armas from the 1800:

http://segundocabo.ohc.cu/files/1848/08/5-1848.jpg

Castillo de San Salvador de la Punta:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dTza2MyGFHE/UAy8H3Td3mI/AAAAAAAAA-E/LD8HP_YBw5U/s1600/DSC00056.JPG

San Carlos and San Ambrosio Seminary:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/San_Carlos_and_San_Ambrosio_Seminary_Havana.jpg/1280px-San_Carlos_and_San_Ambrosio_Seminary_Havana.jpg

A panoramic view of Plaza Vieja:

http://blindeyeproductions.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/habana_plaza_vieja.jpg

And just since it's been mentioned but not posted yet, might as well just post the Cathedral:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tu4t9wN7sGc/UOztesq4FgI/AAAAAAAADyc/Yx0ZQHnPxQg/s1600/la+catedral+de+la+habana.jpg

Rugterwyper32
04-06-2013, 11:40 PM
Great job, Rugterwyper, thanks! I'm hoping for some AC1-like invented, yet possible, landmarks too, but this didn't really happen since the introduction of database entries.

Thanks! I'm personally hoping for that and for some moving some landmarks before their time. In Havana it'll be more difficult since there's more documentation, but as you experienced, stuff about Kingston and Nassau is REALLY hard to come by. You usually just get the bare surface of it. So I think that will give them some more freedom with that, and they can just clear up that some locations were just created for the game and come up with some explanation like "destroyed by an earthquake" or something like that. I mean, many of these places were affected like that. The Church of Angel Custodio apparently was different before a hurricane tore it apart. The Kingston Parish Church is using its old pre 1907 earthquake design. So they have a lot they can work with, I think.

Rugterwyper32
04-07-2013, 05:08 AM
Last update I'll do here for a while, a painting of a view of La Habana, one of Nassau (thanks to user Cornik22) two maps of Kingston, one that is more descriptive, the other to give you the idea of how else they could add stuff to it.

View of La Habana:

http://historiadoreshistericos.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/mapa_de_la_habana_vieja.jpg

Map/View of Nassau (I feel we'll see it slightly more extensive considering there's supposed to be lots of pirates and stuff)

http://i47.tinypic.com/17bnr5.jpg

Closer, more detailed map of Kingston:

http://www.bigmapblog.com/maps/map03/GBEVhdldKWTNkxmz.jpg

A map of the area around Kingston:

http://www.bigmapblog.com/maps/map03/ICEWyubhGQXLsvrr.jpg

I have the feeling they might just decide to make things works better and make a nice route to the remains of Port Royal at some point in the game. Maybe the map of Kingston will have an entrance area similar to the AC1 locations, but with your ship, and you'll be able to get to the old Port Royal ruins (with a limit here and there) Rockfort being closer to the city itself or something like that.I dunno.

AjinkyaParuleka
04-07-2013, 06:57 PM
Oh in BF cities..ummm few animals,trees,roads,buildings and people.

kriegerdesgottes
04-07-2013, 07:35 PM
That Kingston map reminds me a lot of the layout of Philadelphia which they said was too gridded to work out for a AC game.

Rugterwyper32
04-07-2013, 07:41 PM
That Kingston map reminds me a lot of the layout of Philadelphia which they said was too gridded to work out for a AC game.

If this game proves that they could have made Philadelphia fun by making another gridded city fun, then I'll be mad at the AC3 devs for days and I'll hope for an eventual game set in Philly.
Maybe they already did with Liberation, though. New Orleans was a pretty gridded city too.

nitres15
04-07-2013, 07:47 PM
That Kingston map reminds me a lot of the layout of Philadelphia which they said was too gridded to work out for a AC game.

i thought it was because of engine limitations (draw distance in this case)

ACfan443
04-07-2013, 07:52 PM
i thought it was because of engine limitations (draw distance in this case)

It was both, they said they had problems with draw distance, and thought that the gridded nature of the city wouldn't be fun gameplay wise

andre982d
04-07-2013, 10:31 PM
-Basilica Menor de San Francisco de Asis
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Basilica_Menor_de_San_Francisco_de_Asis_in_havana. JPG/800px-Basilica_Menor_de_San_Francisco_de_Asis_in_havana. JPG
Originally built sometime during the 16th century, it was slightly changed in 1730, but I suppose it will look just like that in-game. Secret location, I suppose!

- Plaza Vieja (Old Square)
During the events of BF, the square acted as one of the main market squares in the cities.

Basilica Menor de San Francisco de Asis in 1762.
Elias Walker Durnford (British artist)

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/400/media-400716/large.jpg

Plaza Vieja in 1762.
Elias Walker Durnford (British artist)

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/387/media-387657/large.jpg

Rugterwyper32
04-07-2013, 11:28 PM
And I must thank you very much for that, good sir. You certainly know how to find stuff, I can tell. Those paintings really display the beauty of the place, I'm sure the game can capture that very well.

Megas_Doux
04-07-2013, 11:37 PM
Andre with good posts as always!

And yes!!!!! La Habana has LOT potential, also given the fact it is being designed by the same team behind the gorgeous Constantinople... It is fair to be, at least, a little hyped!

ACfan443
04-07-2013, 11:46 PM
Andre with good posts always!

Indeed. But you must have missed those awesome posts by Rugterwyper32 on the previous pages.

And Havana certainly does have a lot of potential, the buildings are grand and majestic. Their sheer scale is something which would make for great platforming missions, and scaling in general.

Jayden26
04-08-2013, 02:32 AM
This video does a pretty good job showcasing Havana's key landmarks and traditional buildings (it includes some contemporary architecture, so just disregard that).
It's a little on the lengthy side, so watching around half to get a little taste should suffice.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKBFmXoMayI

The buildings look incredible.

A large majority of those buildings including the great dome were built well after the 1700s, the great dome was only built in the early 1900s.

Rugterwyper32
04-11-2013, 01:21 AM
Bringing this thread up again as I made some research on Kingston and while these buildings were from later on, I think they could work. Also, three paintings/drawings of some streets of Kingston.

Ward Theater (built in 1777, but I could see them bringing it in beforehand to make the city more interesting):

http://www.golocaljamaica.com/imgz/ward%20theatre.jpg

Hibbert House (Built in 1755, now the headquarters of the Jamaica National Heritage Trust):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Hibbert_House_02.JPG

Wolmer's School (Oldest school in the Caribbean, built in 1729)

http://www.pennymead.com/images/WINPO0717.jpg

Two views of Harbor Steet:

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/242026/1/View-Of-Harbour-Street-Kingston-Jamaica-From-A-Picturesque-Tour-Of-The-Island-Of-Jamaica.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H-dJhj4Mddg/UE68yIHe16I/AAAAAAAAEyw/hWo4lsWOYQM/s1600/Harbor+Streeet,+Kingston.jpg

Three of King Street (Two are clearly more recent):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Cast-away_in_Jamaica_-_King_Street,_Kingston.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3023/3005137593_14b4bafe73_z.jpg

http://thumbnails.inkfrog.com/pix/donutcakes/29_July_12_141.jpg/800/0

Rugterwyper32
04-11-2013, 03:47 AM
So, doing some analysis of this that I posted earlier, I got some old postcards of Nassau to get the idea. It won't be exactly what fits historically, considering this is later on, but at least it gives us an idea of what it'll cover

http://i47.tinypic.com/17bnr5.jpg

The big house in the central hill would be where the Government House currently is, so the row of buildings we see moving down would be George Street

http://www.oldbahamas.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/FredSt..jpg.w560h407.jpg

http://www.oldbahamas.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/Geo.St.jpg.w560h378.jpg

You can see that Christ Church is to the left in both the map and the second picture looking at the Government house, which fits.

The fort on the map is the Old Fort, which is the site of the current British Colonial Hilton hotel.

The entire area down would pretty much be the entire Bay Street, which would include Rawson Square. Wouldn't surprise me if they went historically inaccurate and added the public library which was built about 79 years later to add something interesting, but it's very likely it won't make it

http://www.oldbahamas.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/BayStreetWest.jpg.w560h360.jpg

http://www.oldbahamas.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/BayStreet4.jpg.w560h368.jpg

http://www.oldbahamas.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/ViewBayStreet.jpg.w560h348.jpg

Rawson Square with a view of the Public Library

http://www.oldbahamas.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/PublicSquare002.jpg.w560h353.jpg

rob.davies2014
04-11-2013, 01:08 PM
Those streets look worryingly wide... :/

jayjay275
04-11-2013, 01:22 PM
More flat buildings please.

Rugterwyper32
04-11-2013, 03:07 PM
Those streets look worryingly wide... :/

Kingston wouldn't surprise me if it had many wide streets the same way of AC3's cities, but I see a few ways that could be worked around to make freerunning more fun. There's probably lots of buildings being built at the time, considering Kingston WAS pretty recent. Lots of scaffolding and unfinished buildings could make for some fun freerunning. As for the big streets, do stuff like in Boston's own King Street, where you had merchant stalls in the middle of the city and the such. Also, more support beams and ropes. Maybe have palmtrees in the middle and have some sort of move where Edward can swing from one of the palmtree leaves. Add some element of imagination that can work thanks to the lack of documentation (most of the stuff I found is from later on), go AC1 on us and add some invented landmarks, and then I think they could have something going.

With Nassau? Keep that main street wide, add stuff to make it possible to go from one side to the other, but have most buildings around the place be more haphazardly placed and built. Maybe add a bunch of shacks around built by pirates to have some contrast and there we go. I can imagine we'll be too busy getting in barfights in Nassau to worry about much freerunning (if they decided to add those), but I think they could make it fun.

Havana is by far the city I'm looking forward to the most. It just naturally gives itself to some amazing freerunning and the such. And it's beautiful. So there's at least one city we know will be great.

andre982d
04-11-2013, 06:08 PM
Map of the Harbour of Nassau in the Island of New-Providence, 18th century

6000px × 2827px

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/576/a501zoomweb.jpg

Rugterwyper32
04-11-2013, 08:28 PM
Seriously Andre, you know how to find stuff. Respect.

While that map is clearly from later on, I think they might just base themselves on that or something similar. Would make sense.

silvermercy
04-15-2013, 10:56 PM
I'm hungry so here's some Caribbean food that Edward may be eating...

http://www.islandnutznews.com/upload_pic/resize_1341932467.jpg

drinking...
http://www.plunderguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Kraken-Spiced-Rum.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-KNkkUUJgVMM/ULf464Ukb8I/AAAAAAAAEsI/sByWkOoU7Ms/Captain-Morgan-Spiced-Rum5.jpg?imgmax=800

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/131926281/Black_Roberts_Spiced_Rum.jpg

and having as a dessert (well, other than Templars of course)...

http://www.caribcoffee.com/photos/truffle/pic/truffle.jpg

SaintPerkele
05-09-2013, 06:02 PM
Haven't been in this thread for quite a while, but I have to say, great work by everyone.

I'm really looking forward to Havanna, Kingston still seems kind of bland. As for Nassau, I assume the devs will take certain artistic liberties. Take a look at this example, which I assume to be Nassau:
http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/2/2d/Blackflag011-1-.jpg

Megas_Doux
08-01-2013, 12:27 AM
More info and images from la Habana :cool:

XVIII map

http://artecolonial.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/mapa-de-la-habana-del-siglo-xviii.jpg

Castillo de la Real Fuerza

http://esphoto980x880.mnstatic.com/castillo-de-la-real-fuerza_440120.jpg

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/e7/a2/d6/castillo-de-la-real-fuerza.jpg

Castillo del Morro

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2044/2198610998_1b2a22a497.jpg
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/301631.jpg

http://es.studylanguages.org/images/cuba/moro-castle.jpg

Cathedral de San Cristóbal and some adyacent colonial streets and buildings

http://havanauniquenews.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/habana_colonial02.jpg

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/159256/159256,1308740569,1/stock-photo-the-square-of-san-francisco-in-the-colonial-neighborhood-of-old-havana-illuminated-at-night-79728343.jpg

http://cdn.enjoyourholiday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Discover-Cuba.-Havana-10.jpg

Rugterwyper32
08-01-2013, 01:26 AM
A few other nice churches and convents in Havana, and I'll see what else I can get

Convento de Nuestra Señora de Belen:

http://www.havanatimes.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/belen-01.jpeg

Convento de Santa Clara:

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/9283746.jpg

San Francisco de Paula:

http://www.visitarcuba.org/Images/vistas-Iglesia-de-San-Francisco-de-Paula.jpg

Iglesia del Espiritu Santo:

http://www.ohch.cu/file/img/g-iglesia-del-espiritu-santo-1652.jpg

Iglesia del Santo Angel Custodio:

http://www.radiorebelde.cu/images/images/galerias/habana-vieja/iglesia-santoangelcustodio-habanavieja-foto-abelrojas.jpg

Iglesia del Santo Cristo del Buen Viaje:

http://www.visitarcuba.org/Images/Iglesia-del-Santo-Cristo-del-Buen-Viaje.jpg

Palacio de los Capitanes Generales:

http://www.wallpaperstravel.com/wallpapers/havana-palacio-de-los-capitanes-generales-cuba-1280x960.jpg

Torreon de Cojimar:

http://paris1972.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/torreon-de-cojimar-havana-1646-cuba.jpg

And finally, Universidad de La Habana (founded until 1728 but we might end up seeing it in the game so why not)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/University_of_Havana.JPG

Megas_Doux
08-01-2013, 01:46 AM
A few other nice churches and convents in Havana, and I'll see what else I can get


And finally, Universidad de La Habana (founded until 1728 but we might end up seeing it in the game so why not)



I certainly hope so!!!!


They have done it before, the exception being AC3, but given the fact they included the Cathedral, we can expect the will add some "out of time" landmarks for gameplay and look wise...

Plaza de Armas and its sorrounding buildings


http://www.dellaroccapanama.com/Foto/Dellarocca_Restauri_Panama-b1348031113.jpg
http://www.absolut-cuba.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/La-Habana2.jpg
http://photos.worldisround.com/photos/30/372/267_o.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JLnDxKfmu0k/TpxXZ-k7c2I/AAAAAAAAAFU/hGS3X-_JyYk/s320/tranvia+o++reilly+2.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Xioasptx5NE/SxHd56iCsBI/AAAAAAAACOw/_EvIqf7EOMI/s400/Old_Havana_architecture.jpg
http://www.objectscape.org/photos/cuba/PlazaDeArmas2.jpg
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/4e/b0/3c/havana-old-square-plaza.jpg
Plaza Vieja

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/c5/c0/47/old-square-plaza-vieja.jpg
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/37550102.jpg
http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/146776/146776,1321365518,2/stock-photo-panorama-of-old-havana-plaza-vieja-with-colorful-tropical-buildings-havana-cuba-88848370.jpg
http://www.vacationhomes.net/blog/pub/Plaza-Vieja-(Old-Square),-Havana.jpg
http://www.traveladventures.org/countries/cuba/images/habana-vieja01.jpg


Palacio del Segundo Cabo

http://paris1972.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/palace-del-segundo-cabo-2nd-to-governor-in-havana-cuba.jpg
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/5368053.jpg
http://segundocabo.ohc.cu/files/2012/08/32-19601.png

Plaza de San Francisco
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/lions-fountain-plaza-de-san-francisco-havana-25227812.jpg
http://www.havana-cultura.com/2011/media/cache/960-540-noBorder-0/jpg-000000/000000/fc37410a88d5bf841bfcf88cc84beea2.jpg

Castillo del Principe
http://img1.take-a-trip.eu/pics_bezienswaardigheden_nl/w500/Castillo-del-Principe2.jpg

Jexx21
08-01-2013, 04:39 AM
Any Kingston pictures? I'm excited for Kingston. Sounds like it's supposed to be like Boston/New York mixed with the Frontier

pirate1802
08-01-2013, 04:47 AM
This thread is alive again? Good :D

Megas_Doux
08-01-2013, 05:06 AM
This thread is alive again? Good :D

La Habana sure is one promising city.........

Jexx21
08-01-2013, 05:12 AM
Kingston sounds better to me. :)

Nassau sounds awesome as well.

Megas_Doux
08-01-2013, 05:27 AM
Kingston sounds better to me. :)

Nassau sounds awesome as well.

We barely have seen any of those cities and in fact is very hard to obtain info from AC4´s era.

Do not get me wrong, I liked Boston and specially NY, but la Habana is a UNESCO World heritage place, full of churches, palaces, plazas and BIG stone forts......

Jexx21
08-01-2013, 05:43 AM
I think all three cities will be awesome, I just feel like I'll love Kingston.

I sort of wonder if Nassau is going to be a smaller city than Havanna or Kingston though. Because I feel like Nassau might be the ACIV version of Masyaf, Monterigionni, and the Homestead.

Unless our Naval mansion is going to be an actual map.. then maybe it won't be.

Azurefeatherfly
08-01-2013, 07:39 AM
Unless our Naval mansion is going to be an actual map.. then maybe it won't be.

It would be way better in my opinion to manage everything from a mobile base like the Jackdaw than to constantly go back to stationary command centre.

Why let your home be in one place when you can drag it along everywhere with you?

ACfan443
08-01-2013, 09:23 AM
I can't wait for the Havana demo, all these pictures of beautiful big buildings are whetting my appetite. I don't really care for Kingston, Nassau sounds interesting, but it's Havana that I'm most eager for.

Assassin_M
08-01-2013, 09:36 AM
I`m interested to see Nassau more than Havana. I`v always been interested in unconventional settlements like Cappadocia. Nassau sounds like something similar...

ACfan443
08-01-2013, 10:11 AM
I`m interested to see Nassau more than Havana. I`v always been interested in unconventional settlements like Cappadocia. Nassau sounds like something similar...

I hope it's as lively as the E3 demo

LoyalACFan
08-01-2013, 10:28 AM
I`m interested to see Nassau more than Havana. I`v always been interested in unconventional settlements like Cappadocia. Nassau sounds like something similar...

Yeah, it really has a lot of potential. It could even channel a bit of Masyaf's vibe from AC1 if they decide to go that route. A whole colony of outlaws living on the fringe of society.

Rugterwyper32
08-01-2013, 07:48 PM
Kingston sounds better to me. :)

Nassau sounds awesome as well.

Honestly, I'm more hyped for Havana than any others. The only thing that would be better would be to have a game that has Antigua Guatemala as a city, but man do I love Spanish Colonial architecture. Then again, a lot of it is because I live in Guatemala, so the style is very familiar to me. I mean, just look at this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Antigua_church_2008_06.JPG

If anything, the Spanish had some beautiful colonial architecture, even though this country is a mess otherwise.

Rugterwyper32
08-01-2013, 07:49 PM
Yeah, it really has a lot of potential. It could even channel a bit of Masyaf's vibe from AC1 if they decide to go that route. A whole colony of outlaws living on the fringe of society.

I can agree with this. I can see it already: This pirate town with houses of all sizes and materials, nothing even, with some streets wide and others packed with small wooden huts and the such. Chaos all over the place, drunks, and overall what you'd expect of a pirate city but not what you'd expect of a city otherwise

stingray110
08-01-2013, 08:05 PM
Honestly, I'm more hyped for Havana than any others. The only thing that would be better would be to have a game that has Antigua Guatemala as a city, but man do I love Spanish Colonial architecture. Then again, a lot of it is because I live in Guatemala, so the style is very familiar to me. I mean, just look at this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Antigua_church_2008_06.JPG

If anything, the Spanish had some beautiful colonial architecture, even though this country is a mess otherwise.

That's a beautiful building!

ACfan443
08-01-2013, 08:24 PM
That's a beautiful building!

Indeed. And look how big it is compared to those people, can't wait to climb stuff like this in the game

Rugterwyper32
08-01-2013, 08:34 PM
Indeed. And look how big it is compared to those people, can't wait to climb stuff like this in the game

And while that's Guatemala, no doubt we'll be seeing stuff very much like that in this game. I'm looking forward to climbing buildings in that style such as this one which is actually from Havana (and you can see some people so you get the idea of size)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8262/8668977837_fb3b492874_h.jpg

ACfan443
08-01-2013, 09:18 PM
^that is very unusual and bizzare architecture, but I like it!
I can just imagine a big infiltration/assassination taking place in a building like this :D

Megas_Doux
08-02-2013, 03:05 AM
^that is very unusual and bizzare architecture, but I like it!
I can just imagine a big infiltration/assassination taking place in a building like this :D

It is not in Cuba, but Ubisoft cannot ignore the BIGGEST and MOST powerful fortress in the caribbean, El Castillo de San Felipe de Barajas in Cartagena de Indias, Colombia.
http://images.printsplace.co.uk/Content/Images/Products/9872/7191/Fortress_of_San_Felipe_De_Barajas_1.jpg

http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/1-the-17th-century-fortress-of-san-felipe-o-louis-mazzatenta.jpg

http://cdn.coastalcare.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/carthagene.jpg

http://www.colombiaenunsolopunto.com/Baluartes_Walls_Cartagena/Castillo-San-Felipe-Cartagena-Colombia-Evento-11.jpg

That thing is HUGE

ACfan443
08-22-2013, 03:58 PM
So, this video which I posted in the gamescom thread has new footage of Havana, it shows Edward synchronising a viewpoint and you can see pretty much the whole of Havana. I was wondering if the city experts here could spot and identify the landmarks

http://youtu.be/JGV_yjQqSE8
Synchronises at 3:36

Rugterwyper32
08-22-2013, 09:26 PM
So, this video which I posted in the gamescom thread has new footage of Havana, it shows Edward synchronising a viewpoint and you can see pretty much the whole of Havana. I was wondering if the city experts here could spot and identify the landmarks

http://youtu.be/JGV_yjQqSE8
Synchronises at 3:36

Well, working on it right now. Right before he synchronizes (3:35), you can see Basilica Menor de San Francisco de Asis in the background, the viewpoint to the left. And the other bell tower to the right, that looks like Iglesia del Santo Cristo del Buen Viaje. Then he synchronizes. First tall tower you can see once the camera starts moving is most likely the watchtower of Castillo de la Real Fuerza, which as SaintPerkele guessed, seems to be a viewpoint of the game and used for important missions (part of the lastest trailer with the armored guy takes place there, too), you can also see an open space which I'm guessing is Plaza de Armas considering the location. Then there's the cathedral, with another viewpoint behind it. There's also a church way on the background after the camera has moved a little more, past the cathedral. Looking at the locations of churches around the area, the only one that makes sense is Santo Angel Custodio, even though that should be closer to the edge, and the cathedral would be blocking the view of it. Considering how it looks kinda blurred because of distance and how the camera is moving at that point and how we seem to be not exactly centered, there's probably stuff that we can't see or that I'm simply missing. For instance, Iglesia de San Francisco de Paula would be very close to the edge of the map, and it could easily hide behind the Basilica. I could gather those, so that's something.

Rugterwyper32
08-22-2013, 11:05 PM
I did a thing

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/Rugterwyper/1149014_401050233329225_752137896_n_zps6f2f0f91.jp g

I'm still confused

ACfan443
08-22-2013, 11:29 PM
This is great work, thank you very much! :D
I'm gonna have a look at the pictures posted of the landmarks in this thread, and compare them with the ones in game

Rugterwyper32
08-22-2013, 11:37 PM
Ok, so after some thinking, that one that I was thinking might be Cristo del Buen Viaje could very well be that, the other one that has Cristo del Buen Viaje and Convento de Belen might just actually be Santa Clara and the one that has Santa Clara probably is Espiritu Santo (we don't see it from the viewpoint, probably covered by the trees, and it's one of the oldest churches in Havana with a bell tower that's not as tall).

I could still be completely wrong though, but hey.

ACfan443
08-23-2013, 12:00 AM
Just to confirm, the large cathedral you see when the camera pans is the Castillo de la real fuerza?

Rugterwyper32
08-23-2013, 12:15 AM
When the camera starts moving around, to the right you see two watchtowers with some degree of separation, that's the fort, Castillo de la Real Fuerza. Then it keeps moving and it pans out further, where you see the huge cathedral that's the Cathedral of Havana.

ACfan443
08-23-2013, 12:39 AM
When the camera starts moving around, to the right you see two watchtowers with some degree of separation, that's the fort, Castillo de la Real Fuerza. Then it keeps moving and it pans out further, where you see the huge cathedral that's the Cathedral of Havana.

Oh I see, so this is the Castillo? (At the back)
http://i.imgur.com/giZimjM.jpg
Thanks for clarifying, I thought it would be much bigger cause of its size on the map

Rugterwyper32
08-23-2013, 12:52 AM
Oh I see, so this is the Castillo? (At the back)
http://i.imgur.com/giZimjM.jpg
Thanks for clarifying, I thought it would be much bigger cause of its size on the map

Yep, it is. Admittedly, we haven't seen how it is up close. In fact, considering the distance, it might turn out bigger than we think. It's further away from that tower than the cathedral is. But who knows.
Makes me like the size of the city, though. Not too big, but big enough. Considering a lot of my time just messing around in ACB/ACR was in the Vatican and Galata District respectively, then that size works perfectly for me.

ACfan443
08-23-2013, 12:57 AM
Yep, it is. Admittedly, we haven't seen how it is up close. In fact, considering the distance, it might turn out bigger than we think. It's further away from that tower than the cathedral is. But who knows.
Makes me like the size of the city, though. Not too big, but big enough. Considering a lot of my time just messing around in ACB/ACR was in the Vatican and Galata District respectively, then that size works perfectly for me.

Edward synchronising has given us an idea of the size of the city, it looks pretty small. I'd say it was much smaller than Damascus, because when I synchronised in Damascus, the edge of the city seemed to be much further away

Rugterwyper32
08-23-2013, 01:08 AM
Edward synchronising has given us an idea of the city, it looks pretty small. I'd say it was much smaller than Damascus, because when I synchronised in Damascus, the edge of the city seemed to be much further away

Yeah, I came to the conclusion it's much closer to the Galata District than to Damascus. Which isn't much, actually. Damascus also gives you an illusion of size because of view distance. But it's still bigger. Not complaining though, the moment you remove the gaping holes made by the walls to the northeast of Galata District and take the space of water to the southwest and make some of it land, it has more than enough to work with. And the moment you take a landmark as absolutely massive as Galata Tower and the wall that goes along it dividing parts of the district, it works out even better, I think. Here, I made this comparison pic to work with. These are kinda rough approximations, but they work, with New York being the largest with a size of approx. 830x1075, and Galata District the smallest being 465x245 approx. So there you go.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/Rugterwyper/830x1075_zps88871a73.png

Jexx21
08-23-2013, 01:16 AM
I think the size of Havana is perfect.

ACfan443
08-23-2013, 01:19 AM
Good god New York is huge, it looks to be more than half the size of Constantinople, it certainly didn't feel that way.
Hopefully Havana can give an illusion of scale

Jexx21
08-23-2013, 01:25 AM
look at the size of the pyramid in New York in ToKW then realize the cities in AC3 are the largest in the series.

Jexx21
08-23-2013, 01:26 AM
Good god New York is huge, it looks to be more than half the size of Constantinople, it certainly didn't feel that way.
Hopefully Havana can give an illusion of scale

Did you ever play Arkham City? It's a pretty small free-roam map but it's still one of the most fun to roam around in. I can assure you, size doesn't matter.

ACfan443
08-23-2013, 01:27 AM
look at the size of the pyramid in New York in ToKW then realize the cities in AC3 are the largest in the series.

Only the frontier is the largest, and it's not a city
Boston and New York are not the largest in the series...


Did you ever play Arkham City? It's a pretty small free-roam map but it's still one of the most fun to roam around in. I can assure you, size doesn't matter.

I played it at a friend's house once for a bit but didn't experience it fully
Size does matter in my opinion, you can't have something too small or too big

Rugterwyper32
08-23-2013, 01:28 AM
Good god New York is huge, it looks to be more than half the size of Constantinople, it certainly didn't feel that way.
Hopefully Havana can give an illusion of scale

That's the thing with AC3 cities: They were really huge, both Boston and New York (it took really long times to get from one place to another) but they managed to suffer from that same size. I always felt that one of the issues with AC3 was that it tried to be big when it came to everything. I remember Boston and New York were said to be 80% the size of Rome, I can believe that. And that's not even getting into the Frontier.
Sure, the cities in Black Flag will be smaller, but I think it's a good thing. Three cities, let's say all three were the size of the Galata District. That not only helps the sense of scale of the hub world/horizon/Caribbean more believable (because frankly, did you ever feel that you were going from somewhere between Maine/New Hampshire and Pennsylvania when the frontier was smaller than the two cities combined?), but it also allows for a lot more content and more polished, too. I was actually worried about the sense of scale, myself. I was wondering "how will I feel I'm getting lost in the Caribbean if the cities are beastly in terms of size?". It worked in AC1, the cities were big enough but never too big, and that helped the Kingdom (while it was admittedly a whole lot of nothing) feel bigger and made the trip feel like an actual long trip.

Jexx21
08-23-2013, 01:29 AM
Only the frontier is the largest, and it's not a city
Boston and New York are not the largest in the series...
Yes they are.. They're larger than Rome.

I also wasn't counting the Frontier because it's not a city.

Jexx21
08-23-2013, 01:32 AM
That's the thing with AC3 cities: They were really huge, both Boston and New York (it took really long times to get from one place to another) but they managed to suffer from that same size. I always felt that one of the issues with AC3 was that it tried to be big when it came to everything. I remember Boston and New York were said to be 80% the size of Rome, I can believe that. And that's not even getting into the Frontier.
Sure, the cities in Black Flag will be smaller, but I think it's a good thing. Three cities, let's say all three were the size of the Galata District. That not only helps the sense of scale of the hub world/horizon/Caribbean more believable (because frankly, did you ever feel that you were going from somewhere between Maine/New Hampshire and Pennsylvania when the frontier was smaller than the two cities combined?), but it also allows for a lot more content and more polished, too. I was actually worried about the sense of scale, myself. I was wondering "how will I feel I'm getting lost in the Caribbean if the cities are beastly in terms of size?". It worked in AC1, the cities were big enough but never too big, and that helped the Kingdom (while it was admittedly a whole lot of nothing) feel bigger and made the trip feel like an actual long trip.

With both the Frontier and the Kingdom I never imagined that the trip I took between areas was the entire trip. In the Frontier I imagined that the path to Boston from the exit point in the frontier was a long path or something. Same with the Kingdom.

But the Frontier is so obviously a mix and match of different areas that isn't meant to be a replica of the real world.

As for New York and Boston being 80% of the size of Rome, I don't think so.. I'm pretty sure that Constantinople was the one 80% the size of Rome. And the Frontier is supposed to be 150% the size of Rome.

Rugterwyper32
08-23-2013, 01:33 AM
The more I think about this, the more likely it was that they did plan on making it so travel into cities would be seamless. Imagine if the cities in this game were New York-sized. If it was seamless, it just wouldn't work, considering the cities would probably take up most of the game world and it would feel unnatural. They would have needed to make the Caribbean open world even bigger, and you can guess what that means. So with this size of cities, it wouldn't have been a problem for them to make it seamless, except that considering the amount of content they had to anyway. But hey, it works for me.

Jexx21
08-23-2013, 01:35 AM
but then the cities would probably end up taking up a large amount of the space the island has in game--a larger amount that they do in real life, due to the down-scaling of the islands and such.

ACfan443
08-23-2013, 01:35 AM
Yes they are.. They're larger than Rome.

I also wasn't counting the Frontier because it's not a city.

How do you know that for certain?

Jexx21
08-23-2013, 01:36 AM
How do you know that for certain?

Because I lie about my knowledge.

I don't, I was basing it off of someone else's sayings on these forums.

ACfan443
08-23-2013, 02:28 AM
Because I lie about my knowledge.

I don't, I was basing it off of someone else's sayings on these forums.

Can you point me to these sayings?
Surely if AC3's cities were larger than Rome the devs would have said so and hyped the **** out of it
Judging from visual reference, Rome's map looks larger than both Boston's and New York's

thekyle0
08-23-2013, 02:57 AM
My take on the size of Havana is it strikes a good balance between sprawling and manageability. Even in Brotherhood where there was only one city I know it was so huge I probably didn't see the majority of it. This is in spite of the fact that I probably spent more time with that title than any other in the franchise so far. I prefer the city to be dense and compact rather than vast but empty. That will make a good contrast whenever the player moves from claustrophobic streets to the wide open sea.

Rugterwyper32
08-23-2013, 03:06 PM
My take on the size of Havana is it strikes a good balance between sprawling and manageability. Even in Brotherhood where there was only one city I know it was so huge I probably didn't see the majority of it. This is in spite of the fact that I probably spent more time with that title than any other in the franchise so far. I prefer the city to be dense and compact rather than vast but empty. That will make a good contrast whenever the player moves from claustrophobic streets to the wide open sea.

I'm thinking that's pretty much the whole point of it. Unlike other games in the series, it seems the devs want us to feel like we're actually wandering around the Caribbean in this game, and cities as big as the ones in previous games wouldn't make that possible. With this, it's not only a lot easier to travel around with no hud at all (in fact, the new eagle vision makes me think that the game could easily be playable without hud) and actually feeling like you're lost in the middle of the Caribbean. And when you get to the cities you can move around based on landmarks (which became harder and harder as the locations became bigger). I think it'll work really well, actually.