View Full Version : Timing for an upgrade?

07-28-2004, 06:50 PM
With all the talk about x800's, 6800 series cards, ram expessed in gig's etc.... PF on the horizon, it feels like it is time to move up with an upgrade or probably a new sytem.

I always worry with electronics that I'll puchase something and there will be a major component upgrade...

Is now the time or is there some breakthrough technology around the corner that a sim like BoB will need to run? If there is something, would it be upgradable?

I don't keep up on technical news like i should

07-28-2004, 06:50 PM
With all the talk about x800's, 6800 series cards, ram expessed in gig's etc.... PF on the horizon, it feels like it is time to move up with an upgrade or probably a new sytem.

I always worry with electronics that I'll puchase something and there will be a major component upgrade...

Is now the time or is there some breakthrough technology around the corner that a sim like BoB will need to run? If there is something, would it be upgradable?

I don't keep up on technical news like i should

07-28-2004, 06:52 PM
There is a major upgrade around the corner. This is the Law of computers.

With that said: Buy something new and enjoy it now while you can.

07-28-2004, 06:56 PM
You can get a good deal on tech to keep you going till BoB comes out; a lot of the new games, unless you're really into them, will just suck up all your funds - get what you can afford and make your current games run like a champ.


07-28-2004, 06:58 PM
Screw new technologies,man.DirectX8 haven`t been exploited fully by games,and we get 9c heheh.I feel sorry for all those ppl buyin the newest Geforce/Radeon cards.In 2 months there are gonna be cheaper and better cards.

It`s not in my case but I`d buy stuff that lets me run my favorite game at lowest 40fps.No more requirements.

Why pay more for stuff that will be old in 2 months?

If you have no $ problems then you can ignore it ofcourse.


El Turo
07-28-2004, 06:58 PM
My tip.. don't buy the biggest, baddest gadget fresh on the shelf unless you've got money to burn. Most games out currently can't use half the extra technology that comes with the newest card and don't need the power. I HIGHLY recommend that you buy whatever it is that just got leap-frogged by the current big-bad toy.

You should be able to buy/build yourself a screaming rig for WELL under $1000 from top to bottom.

I play on a 2.53gHz P4 with 512 RD-RAM and a ti-4200 128mb card.. I play on excellent on the next-to-highest resolution available and get very smooth frames.

I could probably use another 512mb of RAM and a newer video card.. but why? Might as well wait another 4-6 months and see what PF is going to need to scream and if I can do fine with what I've got, then maybe I can even wait until BoB to make my next big move.

If it works, don't fix it.

Of course, if it doesn't work, force it. If it breaks, the darn thing was broken anyway!



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07-28-2004, 07:42 PM
I think the biggest mistake that people make is that they upgrade for a specific game long before it is out. There are many people that say OMG BoB is only 2 years away, I must upgrade now! That's BS. Like Baldie said, there will always be something bigger/better/faster out there. What I recommend you do is only upgrade right before that new game comes out - or better yet; AFTER it is out and you know how the new hardware will run the game. I also have to agree with the advice of buying the video card that is in second place speed-wise. Why? That video card used to be the badass "one to get" not too long ago. Now that a newer card is out, the prices drop on that older, but totally capable, card. This is the same with all hardware. It is amazing how processors with only a 100 Mhz gain may be 200 dollars more expensive. That's the price you pay for new hardware.

So go find yourself some ALMOST top of the line stuff just when you absolutely need to.

Vertically challenged since 1984.

07-28-2004, 08:08 PM
Each year buy components 1 year old or older, snapem together, and the money you spend on computing is almost Zero...and *on average* you have the same gaming experience as the volunteer Paying Beta Testers who buy only the new expensive stuff once every 2 - 3 years. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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07-28-2004, 08:18 PM
So it would be a good idea to upgrade later to a P11 plus some ram for B.O.B. What kind of a video card would work the best with this combo

07-28-2004, 08:28 PM
Ok...so what is the next best card to 6800 Ultra. I don't have money to burn, but I'm not pinching pennies either.

I have a decent system now with a Ti 4600 128mb card, but i am ram poor at 384 and need to upgrade from Me to XP and I'd like a gig of RAM.

I get occassional stutters and can't run one perfect mode and would like to especially when PF is out.

So what is the next best, affordable 256mb vid card and I'll take it from there. I'm afraid that I'll be needing a new motherboard/power supply with the next leap and I figure I either go all the way or hold off a bit.

How long does it typically take for a card like the 6800 Ultra to drop in price?

07-28-2004, 08:46 PM
If you're looking for next to top dog performers, either the Nvidia 6800 GT or the ATI Radeon X800 Pro are the cards you want. They retail for about $399. The top of the line cards are the 6800 Ultra or the X800 PE. They run about $100 more than the other ones, and the only difference is clock speed.

If those are too expensive, there is NO excuse to not get at least a Radeon 9800 Pro. Many people will swear by those cards (myself included) and they can be found for around $190 now. They were the top of the line 9 months ago and are still stellar performers in all games.

Vertically challenged since 1984.

07-28-2004, 09:33 PM
I stay about a year or so behind the times and find it works well with the budget and with the games.

I have an XP2000/9800Pro 128/512 RAM and I can play everything really well as long as I don't go nuts with the AA and AF at 1600x1200.

I'm going to up the CPU in the fall and maybe the card after Xmas sometime. I sould be able to play PF well enough at decent settings.

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07-28-2004, 09:37 PM
LOMAC is the epitamy(i hope i spelled that right). Almost no computer can play that at all times with good fps and good settings. That game is going to last forever(or until a sequal comes out).

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Montgomery Python
07-28-2004, 09:41 PM
I'm waiting until the new year at least... PCI Express might have stabilized by then ( bugs out of the chipsets, etc ), so I won't get trapped with AGP. X800 prices will be down by then too. Upgrade *after* whatever game you just *must* play arrives.

07-28-2004, 09:45 PM
why don't you give us your full system specs so we may better advise you. As for most of the advice here I concur ...do not go out and buy the latest and greatest...its a waste of money...I stay about a year behind the tech envelope because I can get a GOOD machine at a fair price without paying for all the hype.



07-28-2004, 09:53 PM
My fellow Kelly's Hero speaks wisely. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/sonar.gif

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Texas LongHorn
07-29-2004, 02:42 AM
Hey Bulldog, the last time I checked for new drivers the ATI site had a special on the 256meg Radeon 9800 Pro. This is the exact card in my machine and believe me bro, the site price of 300 bucks is a steal. Like others have said, if you stay a half a generation behind you get the great price, top notch performance, and don't end up being a beta tester. That card and some more RAM and you should be good to go for awhile at least. All the best, LongHorn


07-29-2004, 02:53 AM
I am basically running same mobo I had for 3+ years now. Last year increased my RAM to 1 GB and processor from 1.4 to 2.4 Ghz or is it 2.8 ? Nevermind.
I don't feel like I upgrade my rig. Everything I play is fine.I could change my GPU (a Ti4600),but this one as well is allright for all games I play.From the original system,I guess is only the floppy wich ceased to work.Maybe because I used it only once http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I could try newest ati or nvidia,but they are http://community.codemasters.com/forum/images/smilies/censored.gif expensive now.By the time I buy one now something new will come. I'll just wait and see.
There are not so many titles in the area I'm interested now.So an upgrade can wait a bit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zayets out


07-29-2004, 03:41 AM
new technology on the horizon? big changes coming in computers soon.
BTX form factor-moving all the components in the box for better cooling. I think the board is actually gonna even sit on opposite side of case.

PCI express- will render AGP obsolete, and will probably require new pci cards too.

along with new sockets for processors etc, and DDR2 memory, Id wait before spending big money on the latest greatest stuff.

I built a P4, ati 9800pro 128mb based machine with a gig of mem. and I think all told it worked out to about $1250.00 US, but thats with three harddrives. and starting from scratch. the ati card, a little memory upgrade, and maybe a better processor, all half a generation older than the newest is sound advice, but dont spend the rent just yet.

for BoB I think the pci express and Uber fast memory may be very useful.

07-29-2004, 03:50 AM
Well I've just built the following:

P4 3.0
1 GIG DDR 400 Ram
Maxtor 80 gig SATA HD
NEC 2500A Dvd burner
Radeon 9800XT 128MB (yes I flashed it - free upgrade! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)
Audigy 2 ZS

And I don't plan to do much more to this rig for at least 12 - 18 months if not longer - exceptions being that I might get another 80Gig HD to run raid, and also I need to sort my cooling and motherboard mounting out.... but apart from that, I aint touching it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Cost me enough already http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif




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07-29-2004, 08:56 AM
What do you want? and what do you need? Strike a balance and like a new house, buy as much as you can afford.

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