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UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 09:26 AM
http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/assassins-creed-iv-black-flag-SML.jpg

Nice!

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 09:28 AM
Dafuq!!!

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 09:30 AM
His armour reminds me of the Turkish Assassin armour from Revelations. And he has 3 guns O_o

Farlander1991
02-28-2013, 09:31 AM
4 guns. There's one on the holster on the back.

And I guess there's no removing 'IV' from the game name. Shame. Still interested in it, though.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 09:32 AM
4 guns. There's one on the holster on the back.

And I guess there's no removing 'IV' from the game name. Shame. Still interested in it, though.

Ah yeah. I know, i thought that might have been a mistake at first but guess not.

xXRyzonXx
02-28-2013, 09:34 AM
Well..I guess that puts the people saying "FAKE AC DOESN'T HAVE COMIC BOOK ARTWORK!!" to rest.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 09:34 AM
he looks awesome :O

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 09:37 AM
This has "Game will suck" written all over it...

Farlander1991
02-28-2013, 09:38 AM
This has "Game will suck" written all over it...

Why?

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 09:39 AM
This has "Game will suck" written all over it...

Why? Is it the FOUR! guns?

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 09:43 AM
he looks awesome :O

Agreed! I really like his sash.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 09:43 AM
I`m Joking, guys...

I wait until I actually have information about something before bashing or praising it...

You know....like normal, sane Adults

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 09:44 AM
We got a lefty this time around?

Looks bloody awesome by the way!

Farlander1991
02-28-2013, 09:45 AM
I`m Joking, guys...

I wait until I actually have information about something before bashing or praising it...

You know....like normal, sane Adults

Lol, though so as well. I was surprised to see you make that post, wanted to clarify :p

PS. He doesn't have an eagle beak on his hood. I was used to eagle beaks on protagonists' hoods, though... Oh well.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 09:51 AM
PS. He doesn't have an eagle beak on his hood. I was used to eagle beaks on protagonists' hoods, though... Oh well.

Hmmm yeah, i noticed. That would be a first. It's kind of a staple throughout the series.

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 09:51 AM
Is that fur inside his hood or his hair?? If so first blonde haired Assassin we have had, looks different to the other screen of him. Looks really cool.

any confirmation I'f this is Haythams dad?.

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 09:52 AM
That's his hair. :p

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 09:56 AM
He looks like a frickin model lol not used to seeing that after as Connor.

DavidPage
02-28-2013, 09:58 AM
*high pitched* Yayyyyy! I love it! I imagine it's next gen. So we have Watch_Dogs AND Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag. EPIC!

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 10:05 AM
He looks so different from this image: http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1139090/article_post_width_Assassin_s-Creed-4-Black-Flag-screenshot.jpg

lasha7716
02-28-2013, 10:06 AM
i thinks it look like prince of persia poster.also he has 4 guns not 3 XD

Farlander1991
02-28-2013, 10:07 AM
He looks so different from this image: http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1139090/article_post_width_Assassin_s-Creed-4-Black-Flag-screenshot.jpg

Not really. It just seems like that because his hood is down and we see the back of his leather jacket. You can notice that pretty much all clothes accessories on the screen and on the poster are there.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 10:08 AM
Also, I hope that gun isn't his signature weapon. Much like the Tomahawk was Connors.

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 10:11 AM
He looks so different from this image: http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1139090/article_post_width_Assassin_s-Creed-4-Black-Flag-screenshot.jpg

i know right, in this image he has darker hair and has a close resemblance to Haytham and Connor, Assuming he is Edward, in the poster he has lighter hair, I don't know maybe its just the artwork of the poster you posted.

lasha7716
02-28-2013, 10:12 AM
theres armor on him so maybe armor upgrades is back

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 10:17 AM
i know right, in this image he has darker hair and has a close resemblance to Haytham and Connor, Assuming he is Edward, in the poster he has lighter hair, I don't know maybe its just the artwork of the poster you posted.

Yeah that's what i though. There could be number of reason for this atm.

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 10:22 AM
Could be Haytham on the screenshot for all we know.

Farlander1991
02-28-2013, 10:23 AM
Seriously, there's no difference between the character on the poster and on the screenshot (I guess except hair). You're just looking at him from the back, it's the back of the leather jacket that makes it seem like it's a totally different outfit.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 10:28 AM
Seriously, there's no difference between the character on the poster and on the screenshot (I guess except hair). You're just looking at him from the back, it's the back of the leather jacket that makes it seem like it's a totally different outfit.

Yeah.. apart from the hair I don't see a difference. the colour is different but that easily could be a dye. Another possibility: Maybe hat guy in the screenshot isn't Edward. We have played as different characters right?

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 10:30 AM
That screenshot looks BS anyway. See how bad the guns look.

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 10:37 AM
Yeah.. apart from the hair I don't see a difference. the colour is different but that easily could be a dye. Another possibility: Maybe hat guy in the screenshot isn't Edward. We have played as different characters right?

It has to be Edward, His hair is almost identical to Haytham's and Connors which makes sense also the Assassins robes look like a typical protagonist. They usually mess around with the characters appearance on game posters because in the other one he looks like a hollywood actor in robes. And after Revelations i doubt they will go back to multiple characters.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 10:43 AM
[QUOTE=Mani60Cent12;8946439 And after Revelations i doubt they will go back to multiple characters.[/QUOTE]

Huh? we played a different characters in AC3 ;)

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 10:46 AM
Huh? we played a different characters in AC3 ;)


Lol I know, but i think they know it will get dry if they try doing it in AC4

SevketErhat
02-28-2013, 10:47 AM
I am already excited for this one but I am not happy that the game takes place in a timeline that is before the events of AC 3.

Where is French Revolution or Victorian England ?

eagleforlife1
02-28-2013, 10:48 AM
I am already excited for this one but I am not happy that the game takes place in a timeline that is before the events of AC 3.

Where is French Revolution or Victorian England ?

Agreed. That's the setting that i really want. Also, Imperial Russia.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 10:50 AM
Lol I know, but i think they know it will get dry if they try doing it in AC4

Maybe. I'f they did then i doubt it would be for a big chunk of the game like AC3.

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 10:56 AM
Maybe. I'f they did then i doubt it would be for a big chunk of the game like AC3.

Agreed, But who could they possibly have as a second guy to play as if the whole game is about Edward, that screen cant be in the future because Haytham never wore Assassin robes due to him being turned to templar at a young age. That guy in the screen looks like Haytham if he had been an Assassin, thats what makes me think its edward.

silvermercy
02-28-2013, 10:57 AM
So he dyes his hair dark brown later? lol

ajl992008
02-28-2013, 10:58 AM
Guys, were any of you expecting this setting? That's the point, ac likes to take us places where we would never think about, I initially wasn't happy with this but I'm gonna keep an open mind and see how this will turn out before Judging it, initial impressions...the assassin looks BADASS

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 10:58 AM
So he dyes his hair dark brown later? lol

Probably not, I am going with the in game screen than the game poster, those always look different to what the protagonist actually looks like in the game.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 10:59 AM
Agreed, But who could they possibly have as a second guy to play as if the whole game is about Edward, that screen cant be in the future because Haytham never wore Assassin robes due to him being turned to templar at a young age. That guy in the screen looks like Haytham if he had been an Assassin, thats what makes me think its edward.

You're probably right. That screenshot could be a very early concept of what Edward would wear and what his hair would look like. But, they might not even be assassin robes. I don't see a hood ;)

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 10:59 AM
If I get to play as Haytham again in this AC I'd scream like a little girl..

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 11:00 AM
Guys, were any of you expecting this setting? That's the point, ac likes to take us places where we would never think about, I initially wasn't happy with this but I'm gonna keep an open mind and see how this will turn out before Judging it, initial impressions...the assassin looks BADASS

The same happened with AC III. Almost none of us expected it to go to America, we all expected to be in France.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 11:01 AM
Probably not, I am going with the in game screen than the game poster, those always look different to what the protagonist actually looks like in the game.

Maybe they introduced minor customization option like hair colour, facial hair etc? That would be awesome IMO.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 11:02 AM
Guys, were any of you expecting this setting? That's the point, ac likes to take us places where we would never think about, I initially wasn't happy with this but I'm gonna keep an open mind and see how this will turn out before Judging it, initial impressions...the assassin looks BADASS

Yeah i don't think anyone was expecting this. Ubi are good at that the sneaky buggers!

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 11:03 AM
Maybe they introduced minor customization option like hair colour, facial hair etc? That would be awesome IMO.


Good idea, :( but i doubt it though since they usually like to stick to a certain look since they want us to remember each character as they were in history.

Hopefully we get naval multiplayer or something since this game is focused on the Caribbean's.

Sushiglutton
02-28-2013, 11:07 AM
http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/assassins-creed-iv-black-flag-SML.jpg

Nice!

So far so great :D! I wanna climb that island in the background :eek:!

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 11:18 AM
So far so great :D! I wanna climb that island in the background :eek:!

That background reminds me of awesome ship battles in the beautiful Caribbean settings! :eek:

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 11:20 AM
Good idea, :( but i doubt it though since they usually like to stick to a certain look since they want us to remember each character as they were in history.

Hopefully we get naval multiplayer or something since this game is focused on the Caribbean's.

Well if we do get facial customization, I'll give him a badass-looking mustache :D Like this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uXdkfeznDSM/TrmjFbQh7EI/AAAAAAAAAFU/sdTJVB6WRtw/s1600/189115-captain_price.jpg

silvermercy
02-28-2013, 11:20 AM
I'll make him look like Connor... :(
*sniff*

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 11:23 AM
I hope this game has role play elements..I love role play...like

Idiot level 1 "WTF ?? only in sea ? not buying"
Idiot level 2 "WTF ?? Assassins aren't pirates..this is Assassins Creed not stupid pirates. not buying"
Idiot level 3 "Assassins are good people"

Ayush_S92
02-28-2013, 11:24 AM
The reason of him having black hair and looking like Connor in that screenshot is probably because it is Connor in it. The image could just be of a very early build.

Remember when they showed us AC3 Dev Videos, they were using Ezio's model for early builds.

Moultonborough
02-28-2013, 11:26 AM
I would like to Edward to see Haytham turn Templar. That couldn't be a happy event for his dad to witness.

anik_lc
02-28-2013, 11:27 AM
Yay! Can't wait. :D

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 11:28 AM
I would like to Edward to see Haytham turn Templar. That couldn't be a happy event for his dad to witness.


And then seeing his Grandson killing his son lol

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 11:29 AM
The reason of him having black hair and looking like Connor in that screenshot is probably because it is Connor in it. The image could just be of a very early build.

Remember when they showed us AC3 Dev Videos, they were using Ezio's model for early builds.


or it could be from that mysterious event.

poptartz20
02-28-2013, 11:30 AM
Or maybe that screenshot was a Young Templar Haytham? It would explain the dark hair pulled back in a ponytail?

Ahh.. It's now weird seeing a more realistic artwork for this. I'm still not sure how I feel about all this. I wish the series would take at least a year to break. I'm still lingering on AC3 : /

silvermercy
02-28-2013, 11:33 AM
And then seeing his Grandson killing his son lol
Then Edward wouldn't die from an attack but from a heart attack. Or he'll strap a rock to his foot and jump into the sea. LOL

anik_lc
02-28-2013, 11:34 AM
I did ask for this and its here. :D

Sushiglutton
02-28-2013, 11:45 AM
That background reminds me of awesome ship battles in the beautiful Caribbean settings! :eek

Very true! I wanted to jump off the boat and swim ashore when I played those.

niko9740
02-28-2013, 11:52 AM
More ships , yay !

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 11:55 AM
And then seeing his Grandson killing his son lol

And then having a beer with his grandson to celebrate.

mattduck69
02-28-2013, 12:04 PM
Now i know there is a maaaaaasssive chance this could not happen but still..
imagine if this is actually ezios outfit from revelations..? and if ths guy is haythams dad wouldnt that mean hes from europe? british?
just some thoughts

pacmanate
02-28-2013, 12:07 PM
Remember guys, he will look NOTHING like the artwork picture. None of the Assassins did.

Altair had big lips, he had a Desmond model, and his "real" revelations model didnt have big lips.
Ezio's artwork looked nothing like him in AC2 or AC:B. Then when they used his AC:B model for AC3 he looked different again. Not to mention his Revelations face was a monkey in game.
AC3, Connor looked like a white guy who was actually half native and very brown in game.

AC4 Black Flag, the dude slightly reminds me of Thor. Has what seems to be light brown or maybe even blonde wavy hair. Will probably look like a hippo in game. (But seriously, he will not look like that at all.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 12:12 PM
lmao hippo

silvermercy
02-28-2013, 12:15 PM
Hipster Edward!

looool

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 12:16 PM
He reminds me of someone but i can't think who...John Gries??

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 12:16 PM
Remember guys, he will look NOTHING like the artwork picture. None of the Assassins did.

Altair had big lips, he had a Desmond model, and his "real" revelations model didnt have big lips.
Ezio's artwork looked nothing like him in AC2 or AC:B. Then when they used his AC:B model for AC3 he looked different again. Not to mention his Revelations face was a monkey in game.
AC3, Connor looked like a white guy who was actually half native and very brown in game.

AC4 Black Flag, the dude slightly reminds me of Thor. Has what seems to be light brown or maybe even blonde wavy hair. Will probably look like a hippo in game. (But seriously, he will not look like that at all.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LLD9AV7579c/UEk-9HSJzKI/AAAAAAAAAoo/nzX68QeIm7k/s1600/hippo.jpg

thekarlone
02-28-2013, 12:17 PM
Despite being a pirates game, I hope the most part won't be by sea. I want buildings, parkour and people in the streets.

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 12:21 PM
Despite being a pirates game, I hope the most part won't be by sea. I want buildings, parkour and people in the streets.

I'm secretly hoping for Tortuga. :p

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 12:23 PM
Despite being a pirates game, I hope the most part won't be by sea. I want buildings, parkour and people in the streets.
Just...How ??

How can people think like this ?? my god...of course there`ll be bloody buildings, streets and parkour -___-

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 12:23 PM
Lol @ dat hippo! http://i.imgur.com/XXzXV7X.jpg

pacmanate
02-28-2013, 12:24 PM
I'm secretly hoping for Tortuga. :p

Yeah I want prostitutes too! They should give you more health.

Is anyone else not bothered about how cool his face looks in the artwork but how he won't look like that in the game?! COME ON!

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 12:25 PM
Is anyone else not bothered about how cool his face looks in the artwork but how he won't look like that in the game?! COME ON!

Not really. We'll see how it turns out and it'll probably be fine by me.

Locopells
02-28-2013, 12:27 PM
Tortuga!

pacmanate
02-28-2013, 12:27 PM
Apparently there is a completely new team working on this AC. Apparently it could be a convergence of all of the teams that did ACB and ACR for example. Or at least a few from each. If so, then this game could be pretty good creativity wise.

I just really want a better story than AC3, and I want to feel like the things I do have an impact on stuff. I didn't get that feeling with AC3. For some reason AC3 didn't gel with me as much as the past titles, even Revelations is more appealing to me than AC3 now. I don't care about all these graphically things they do, I just want a ****ing awesome story.

This is also why I bought the MGS HD Collection.

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 12:29 PM
a vid here with some info

http://au.gamespot.com/news/assassins-creed-iv-black-flag-details-emerge-6404553

pacmanate
02-28-2013, 12:34 PM
"The Examiner also suggests Black Flag is presently running current-generation technology, though Ubisoft has plans to release the game on future platforms."

GREAT. NICE ONE. This is exactly what is going to make this obsolete on next gen. The only thing us PS4 guys will get is upgraded graphics. If we are lucky they will add particle effects and better lighting, but to add that stuff instead of taking it away is effort.

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 12:40 PM
What i want to find out is how Edward ties into all of this, why is the modern day crew going to Connors Grandfather?? and how are they going to stop Juno??

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 12:43 PM
What i want to find out is how Edward ties into all of this, why is the modern day crew going to Connors Grandfather?? and how are they going to stop Juno??
If we had the answers to those questions, I`m afraid we`d have a pretty crappy game...

Locopells
02-28-2013, 12:45 PM
I'm guessing that the combination of a new modern day story line, plus the new ancestor, albeit in a period not that far removed from ACIII, is why we've got both number and subtitle (assuming everything we've seen is legit, which is seeming more likely by the day - if it's not, it's the best fake yet...)

pacmanate
02-28-2013, 12:46 PM
UBISOFT TWEET - ALL DA TETAILES>

https://twitter.com/Ubisoft/status/307093870028677120

dxsxhxcx
02-28-2013, 12:46 PM
What i want to find out is how Edward ties into all of this, why is the modern day crew going to Connors Grandfather?? and how are they going to stop Juno??

The Templars had access to Desmond's memories, they probably found out something worth looking for in that timeline, this or a new modern day protagonist will be introduced..

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 12:46 PM
If we had the answers to those questions, I`m afraid we`d have a pretty crappy game...


Say what?? i dont understand.. Those are the questions i have been dying to know since the end of AC3 wouldn't it be good to answer them?

MasterAssasin84
02-28-2013, 12:48 PM
I hope this game has role play elements..I love role play...like

Idiot level 1 "WTF ?? only in sea ? not buying"
Idiot level 2 "WTF ?? Assassins aren't pirates..this is Assassins Creed not stupid pirates. not buying"
Idiot level 3 "Assassins are good people"


I must say M i am very dissapointed with the ubi's decision on this one i for one was not a fan of Naval Combat, witout being too hypocrytical admitingly i will buy it but to be honest i could think of more preferrable locations for the next game so poor decision ubi, lets just hope you have not killed the francise with this one .

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 12:48 PM
UBISOFT TWEET - ALL DA TETAILES>

https://twitter.com/Ubisoft/status/307093870028677120

Great... now they make me wait until monday..

Locopells
02-28-2013, 12:48 PM
UBISOFT TWEET

We will be announcing all the details of Assassin’s Creed IV Black Flag on Monday March 4 at 6pm CET. pic.twitter.com/WGa4orurjr (http://t.co/WGa4orurjr)

Middle of the night for me - with work in the morning...

dragondox10
02-28-2013, 12:55 PM
UBISOFT TWEET - ALL DA TETAILES>

https://twitter.com/Ubisoft/status/307093870028677120

It seems all the info is true...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc


I must say M i am very dissapointed with the ubi's decision on this one i for one was not a fan of Naval Combat, witout being too hypocrytical admitingly i will buy it but to be honest i could think of more preferrable locations for the next game so poor decision ubi, lets just hope you have not killed the francise with this one .

This ^^


Say what?? i dont understand.. Those are the questions i have been dying to know since the end of AC3 wouldn't it be good to answer them?

We didnt no why Desmond was visiting Connor's memory until AC3 was released. I fear this question will not be answered untill the release

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 12:55 PM
Is anyone else not bothered about how cool his face looks in the artwork but how he won't look like that in the game?! COME ON!

I checked my AAC1 box, Altair looks pretty much as he does ingame. So does Ezio in ACB and Connor in AC3. (Judging by the cover art only, not anything else) But Ezio in AC2 looks vastly different that his box art. And in Revelations.. let's just say they put a different person in Ezio costume on the cover.

silvermercy
02-28-2013, 12:56 PM
He reminds me of someone but i can't think who...John Gries??
Josh Holloway from Lost?? He seems like the one to have the same attitude, too. lol

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 12:56 PM
I must say M i am very dissapointed with the ubi's decision on this one i for one was not a fan of Naval Combat, witout being too hypocrytical admitingly i will buy it but to be honest i could think of more preferrable locations for the next game so poor decision ubi, lets just hope you have not killed the francise with this one .
What I`m saying has nothing to do with "Aww this setting ? I wanted another one :("

That`s completely normal

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 12:57 PM
Say what?? i dont understand.. Those are the questions i have been dying to know since the end of AC3 wouldn't it be good to answer them?
Like I said, if we had the answers to these questions now, ACBF would be a pretty crappy game, because you know......We know everything ?

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 12:57 PM
Sorry but i just can't resist:

http://katpadi.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kobe-u-mad.jpg

Legendz54
02-28-2013, 12:59 PM
Like I said, if we had the answers to these questions now, ACBF would be a pretty crappy game, because you know......We know everything ?


Im not saying these should be answered before the game will be released if thats what your thinking lol.

TorQue1988
02-28-2013, 01:01 PM
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151538730926663.1073741825.24124301662&type=1https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/544466_10151538732421663_1924656302_n.jpg

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 01:06 PM
Look at this; here we go again! :p

http://oi49.tinypic.com/2i252ec.jpg

dragondox10
02-28-2013, 01:08 PM
PS3 had 60 extra minutes of gameplay again! Guess this will bring along posts of angry xbox-players :nonchalance:

TorQue1988
02-28-2013, 01:10 PM
Those exclusives better make their way to PC as well.

dragondox10
02-28-2013, 01:11 PM
Those exclusives better make their way to PC as well.

It won't. Thats why it's called 'exclusives'. Also they havent done such thing in the past.

LieutenantJojo
02-28-2013, 01:11 PM
So he has at least 4 guns strapped to his body? Wow.

I'm liking the look, I always wanted a good Pirates of the Caribbean game, but a pirate Assassin's Creed game? That's even better. I just hope you get more freedom on your ship than you did in AC3.

TorQue1988
02-28-2013, 01:11 PM
It won't. Thats why it's called 'exclusives'. Also they havent done such thing in the past.
Umm, yes they did for AC3. The Benedict Arnold DLC was also available for PC.

dxsxhxcx
02-28-2013, 01:15 PM
It won't. Thats why it's called 'exclusives'. Also they havent done such thing in the past.

the Benedict Arnold DLC was available for PC.. :p

pacmanate
02-28-2013, 01:17 PM
The benedict... oh

Ayush_S92
02-28-2013, 01:18 PM
Higher resolution image:

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/02/acbfkeyartjpg-4802d0.jpg

silvermercy
02-28-2013, 01:19 PM
So if I get a PS4 will I also get the PS3 exclusive content for this? :p Unless PS3 version comes earlier so I will HAVE to buy it anyway before PS4 version.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 01:23 PM
"60 *cough* extra minuets of gameplay" *cough*

pacmanate
02-28-2013, 01:25 PM
So if I get a PS4 will I also get the PS3 exclusive content for this? :p Unless PS3 version comes earlier so I will HAVE to buy it anyway before PS4 version.

I don't think they are revealing the PS4 boxarts yet so that is probably why. It will be Sony exclusive which is basically what PS3 exclusive means seeing as AC games are not on PS2.

pacmanate
02-28-2013, 01:25 PM
*COUGH* whoeverdecidesthatanythingtakes60minutesisaspanner andshouldbefiredforfalseadvertising *COUGH*

kosmoscreed
02-28-2013, 01:28 PM
Again with the exclusivity stuff? :mad:

TorQue1988
02-28-2013, 01:29 PM
*COUGH* whoeverdecidesthatanythingtakes60minutesisaspanner andshouldbefiredforfalseadvertising *COUGH*
Well said.

pacmanate
02-28-2013, 01:31 PM
Again with the exclusivity stuff? :mad:

Seriously don't even worry. Brotherhoods DLC was just a mad chicken run to deliver letters. AC3's Benedict Arnold was 4 missions that lead to no outcome. I even bought the PS3 version ASWELL as the 360 one for the bonus stuff, wasn't worth it. The exclusive DLCs are normally ones that don't have any relevence to the story as so to make people think they arent missing info, because its not fair.

AND IT DAM WELL SHOWS CAUSE ALL EXCLUSIVE MISSIONS ARE CRAP SO FAR AND THEY ARE NOT 60 MINUTES AT ALL BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO PLAYTESTS THESE RUNS AROUND IN A CIRCLE FOR 40 OF THOSE MINUTES THE END.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 01:33 PM
AND IT DAM WELL SHOWS CAUSE ALL EXCLUSIVE MISSIONS ARE CRAP SO FAR AND THEY ARE NOT 60 MINUTES AT ALL BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO PLAYTESTS THESE RUNS AROUND IN A CIRCLE FOR 40 OF THOSE MINUTES THE END.

Alright, keep ya hat on. ;)

Mr John Dread
02-28-2013, 01:37 PM
Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks Ubisoft will have to do a LOT of convincing to make the fanbase acknowledge that game as an Assassin's Creed title.

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 01:39 PM
Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks Ubisoft will have to do a LOT of convincing to make the fanbase acknowledge that game as an Assassin's Creed title.

Next monday will probably have most of the fanbase scream like little girls.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 01:40 PM
Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks Ubisoft will have to do a LOT of convincing to make the fanbase acknowledge that game as an Assassin's Creed title.

Because they have a very narrow view of what being an Assassin means?

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 01:43 PM
It's official. Assassin's Creed - as a series - is ****ed. I can't believe they took something so promising and ****ed it and all the fans over with this annual release ********. It's even more telling that they took virtually the only UNIVERSAL positive from Assassin's Creed III and made an entire game around it. Talk about a obvious cash cow. Assassin's Creed had so much potential and maybe with a reboot in the future it can still be salvaged, but for the time being this is just like Call of Duty. Releasing the same below average game on a yearly basis to make a quick buck. It lacks ANY integroity and is down-right disrespectful to fans.

And I was one of the very small minority of people who didn't care for the naval missions in III - which means I didn't care for III at all - so I see absolutely no reason to buy this game. And no, I'm not saying this as some sort of call for action or boycott of this franchise because it's not going to happen. The fools who - after that abysmal atrocity that was ACIIII - still go out and buy these games really don't deserve a discourse with me, anyway.

Enjoy your sub-par experiences; rest in peace Assassin's Creed and Assassin's Creed II. You truly were great games. Perhaps one day you'll get the sequels you truly deserve.

Grafferu
02-28-2013, 01:43 PM
Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks Ubisoft will have to do a LOT of convincing to make the fanbase acknowledge that game as an Assassin's Creed title.
I disagree ... mostly because the majority of the so called fanbase will eat anything AC related.

reddragonhrcro
02-28-2013, 01:45 PM
His armour reminds me of the Turkish Assassin armour from Revelations. And he has 3 guns O_o

The same came to my mind.

Maybe he is a gun slinger?
Its actualy 4 guns, one is on the back.

Mr John Dread
02-28-2013, 01:46 PM
Next monday will probably have most of the fanbase scream like little girls.

Well, I tend to exclude the mindless fanboys and fangirls.


Because they have a very narrow view of what being an Assassin means?

I don't think it's wrong to have a very distinctive view on how a franchise is supposed to be. I'm not saying Ubisoft should turn AC into a CoD-like franchise, but staying true to the roots almost always works in a franchise. I mean, everyone had a very clear idea of how Prince of Persia has to look like, right? And I don't think a single user here can say Ubisoft didn't screw up the latest additions to the franchise by trying to experiment too much.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 01:47 PM
The same came to my mind.

Maybe he is a gun slinger?
Its actualy 4 guns, one is on the back.

I did think that, seeing as he has 4 guns, they would be his signature weapon(s). Much like the Tomahawk was Connor's. I'm not a huge fan of guns in AC so hopefully that's not the case!

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 01:48 PM
I disagree ... mostly because the majority of the so called fanbase will eat anything AC related.

Does it make you people feel better about yourselves ?

Trying to raise yourselves above everyone "we`re the smartest there is" ?

What a bunch o children...drop the childlsh antics will ya ?

roostersrule2
02-28-2013, 01:49 PM
Next monday will probably have most of the fanbase scream like little girls.I know I will.

reddragonhrcro
02-28-2013, 01:51 PM
Keeping my hype down with other games,thats how i survive waiting for games i m hyped about.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 01:52 PM
I don't think it's wrong to have a very distinctive view on how a franchise is supposed to be. I'm not saying Ubisoft should turn AC into a CoD-like franchise, but staying true to the roots almost always works in a franchise. I mean, everyone had a very clear idea of how Prince of Persia has to look like, right? And I don't think a single user here can say Ubisoft didn't screw up the latest additions to the franchise by trying to experiment too much.

Well we know next to nothing about this game. Being a pirate or the captain of a ship doesnt mean you can't be a traditional assassin. Piri Reis was a sailor, yet an assassin in every sense of the word.

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 01:53 PM
And I don't think a single user here can say Ubisoft didn't screw up the latest additions to the franchise by trying to experiment too much.

Here i am!

2008's Prince of Persia was an Excellent game and that's coming from someone who's been a long time PoP fan since pretty much the beginning of the franchise.

silvermercy
02-28-2013, 01:53 PM
I regretfully admit that I will scream, too, even though I am a big Connor fangirl... :eek:

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 01:53 PM
Does it make you people feel better about yourselves ?

Trying to raise yourselves above everyone "we`re the smartest there is" ?

What a bunch o children...drop the childlsh antics will ya ?

Apparently it is now childish to have taste. I gave Ubisoft the benefit of a doubt leading up to ACIII. But, no more. It's clear what kind of developers the Creed team is and it disgusts me as a fan of the original games.

roostersrule2
02-28-2013, 01:55 PM
Apparently it is now childish to have taste. I gave Ubisoft the benefit of a doubt leading up to ACIII. But, no more. It's clear what kind of developers the Creed team is and it disgusts me as a fan of the original games.Not so much the Devs but more the big guys in suits.

DavidPage
02-28-2013, 01:57 PM
I regretfully admit that I will scream, too, even though I am a big Connor fangirl... :eek:

We will all scream (non excluded)... Mostly me. I really love the setting. Only thing I wanna know is: did Corey write it?

silvermercy
02-28-2013, 01:58 PM
Apparently it is now childish to have taste. I gave Ubisoft the benefit of a doubt leading up to ACIII. But, no more. It's clear what kind of developers the Creed team is and it disgusts me as a fan of the original games.
Dude, calm down. As a huge Connor fan it's me who's supposed to be more pissed off for ditching Connor after half a game.

roostersrule2
02-28-2013, 01:59 PM
We will all scream (non excluded)... Mostly me. I really love the setting. Only thing I wanna know is: did Corey write it? Apparently the ACR writer Darby Mcdevitt is writing it.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:00 PM
Apparently it is now childish to have taste. I gave Ubisoft the benefit of a doubt leading up to ACIII. But, no more. It's clear what kind of developers the Creed team is and it disgusts me as a fan of the original games.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EQ6eHeBrhM

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 02:01 PM
Apparently the ACR writer Darby Mcdevitt is writing it.

Then let's hope there will not be too much stupid Michael Bay-ish scenes in this game.
I still can't forgive them for blowing up an entire f*cking harbor and that weird as hell parachute scene + sky fight in AC:R.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:02 PM
Apparently it is now childish to have taste. I gave Ubisoft the benefit of a doubt leading up to ACIII. But, no more. It's clear what kind of developers the Creed team is and it disgusts me as a fan of the original games.
Having a taste is not childish. I`m not pumped at all for this game. I`m waiting for news. What`s childish is the claim that your "taste" is the correct one, thus raising yourself and your "taste" above everyone else claiming you`re an elite...

don't buy it. sure and fine...but, even though you`d want it to be true and I know you cry yourself to sleep day and night dreaming about it, your opinion is just that....your opinion...and it`s equal to everyone`s..

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 02:02 PM
Dude, calm down. As a huge Connor fan it's me who's supposed to be more pissed off for ditching Connor after half a game.

He's one of these guys that think AC lost it's way since before AC3, because they're the type that squeal at the slightest sign of change or innovation. You could say that they are the true fanboys of the series.

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:03 PM
Connor is a horrible character in every conceivable way. He breaks every rule that a protagonist shouldn't break and is just generally uninteresting. And I don't blame the Native American focus. I blame the the rushing of the story, because there is no way they worked on it for three years. Hell, I doubt they worked on it for three days.

Mr John Dread
02-28-2013, 02:04 PM
Well we know next to nothing about this game. Being a pirate or the captain of a ship doesnt mean you can't be a traditional assassin. Piri Reis was a sailor, yet an assassin in every sense of the word.

I agree that we don't know enough about the game to make a final judgement. That wasn't my point either. However, knowing the setting (which is quite narrow compared to the others) already opens up a lot of room for doubts. For example, as of now, we can already assume that there won't be large cities as we saw them in AC2 and ACB. I'm not saying the Carribbean is poor in culture, but something I always loved in AC were the cities and the impressive architecture. I may be wrong but I think the Carribbean at that time was way more jungle-like. Sure some like it, but that's not how AC used to be. I think that already is the loss of a key feature.


Here i am!

Can't say anything about Forgotten Sands, i haven't played that one.
But 2008's Prince of Persia was an Excellent game and that's coming from someone who's been a long time PoP fan since pretty much the beginning of the franchise.

Well, I was wrong then. I just know what I thought of it and what the press said. Clearly it wasn't as successful as the SoT trilogy which ultimately lead to the hiatus of the franchise which still is in effect.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:04 PM
Connor is a horrible character in every conceivable way. He reaks every rule that a protagonist shouldn't break and is just generally uninteresting. And I don't blame the Native American focus. I blame the the rushing of the story, because there is no way they worked on it for three years. Hell, I doubt they worked on it for three days.
Lol Nope..

That`s just your little opinion;)

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:05 PM
So change it up and its not a "true" AC anymore, don't change and its CoD? Seems like ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't to me..

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:06 PM
So change it up and its not a "true" AC anymore, don't change and its CoD? Seems like ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't to me..
Mate, this is the most effed up fan-base I`v had the displeasure of being a part of...

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 02:06 PM
He breaks every rule that a protagonist shouldn't break

That's pretty much what made him interesting to me.
But eehrm, why are we suddenly talking about Connor?

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:07 PM
That's pretty much what made him interesting to me.
But eehrm, why are we suddenly talking about Connor?
because he`s so desperate, he`s scrambling for words..

roostersrule2
02-28-2013, 02:07 PM
So change it up and its not a "true" AC anymore, don't change and its CoD? Seems like ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't to me..That's because this fan base is ****ed.

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 02:08 PM
Mate, this is the most effed up fan-base I`v had the displeasure of being a part of...

We love you too. :o

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:09 PM
Having a taste is not childish. I`m not pumped at all for this game. I`m waiting for news. What`s childish is the claim that your "taste" is the correct one, thus raising yourself and your "taste" above everyone else claiming you`re an elite...

don't buy it. sure and fine...but, even though you`d want it to be true and I know you cry yourself to sleep day and night dreaming about it, your opinion is just that....your opinion...and it`s equal to everyone`s..

As a creative writing student I'd say I objectively have a more viable opinion than you do as it pretains to storytelling.

I get this is a forum for Assassin's Creed fans, but the banboy mentality in this thread is pretty alarming. If you can't tell that Assassin's Creed II - save for the multiplayer - is a bad game both from a gameplay and (especially) a story perspective, then I don't know what to tell you.

Take some writing courses, I suppose.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:10 PM
Connor is a horrible character in every conceivable way. He reaks every rule that a protagonist shouldn't break and is just generally uninteresting. And I don't blame the Native American focus. I blame the the rushing of the story, because there is no way they worked on it for three years. Hell, I doubt they worked on it for three days.

Your opinion. Connor is awesome in my eyes.


I agree that we don't know enough about the game to make a final judgement. That wasn't my point either. However, knowing the setting (which is quite narrow compared to the others) already opens up a lot of room for doubts. For example, as of now, we can already assume that there won't be large cities as we saw them in AC2 and ACB. I'm not saying the Carribbean is poor in culture, but something I always loved in AC were the cities and the impressive architecture. I may be wrong but I think the Carribbean at that time was way more jungle-like. Sure some like it, but that's not how AC used to be. I think that already is the loss of a key feature.

Well I see AC as a conduit to history, our window into the past. I can see it working in vastly different settings. I liked AC III which didn't have huge cities as well. So, I like that they are changing things up. You have to, if you are insisting on yearly releases as they are.

Mr John Dread
02-28-2013, 02:11 PM
So change it up and its not a "true" AC anymore, don't change and its CoD? Seems like ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't to me..

My whole point is that they shouldn't experiment too much. They know very well what settings the fans want to see. Still, they discarded all those wishes and labeled them boring which is a subjective view on the things, I believe. Trying to be different for the sake of being different is a bad idea in the gaming industry in general.

Fallen_Pariah
02-28-2013, 02:12 PM
To all the people who keep saying they don't understand why they chose the setting they have, a thought that came to me was that it could be their way of keeping Desmond in it for another game considering it is his ancestor after all.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:14 PM
My whole point is that they shouldn't experiment too much. They know very well what settings the fans want to see. Still, they discarded all those wishes and labeled them boring which is a subjective view on the things, I believe. Trying to be different for the sake of being different is a bad idea in the gaming industry in general.

There are already enough people calling AC the new CoD. If you were the dev, who would you listen to? And don't know about you, but their experiment with naval stuff I **** well loved. So I'll wait before passing a judgement on their latest experimentation.

TheHumanTowel
02-28-2013, 02:14 PM
Well I'm disappointed. I didn't like Naval in AC3 and now it seems they're making it a core mechanic in the game. They'll have to do some serious revamping if they want me interested. I don't really think it fits in an AC game either (don't jump down my throat it's just my opinion) AC's core pillars are supposed to be parkour, combat and social stealth. I'm sure there'll be tons of combat but Naval battles don't allow much parkour and don't allow social stealth at all. (Before people go mad at me I know there will be buildings and parkour on land but Naval battles are going to be one of the main mechanics in ths game so it's important) I will wait for more info but at the moment this just seems to go along with Ubi's recent trend of moving away from what to me AC is.


Then let's hope there will not be too much stupid Michael Bay-ish scenes in this game.
I still can't forgive them for blowing up an entire f*cking harbor and that weird as hell parachute scene + sky fight in AC:R.
I'm worried about this as well. I hated ACR's story and the dumb moments in it like that.

SuperLoboMau 25
02-28-2013, 02:15 PM
Now it's confirmed, but I don't know if I'm hyped or disappointed,

-It probably won't has any stealth (I can ignore because the theme)
-Pirate and assassin is a good combination to a character
-In the picture of game's box the guy has nothing less than FOUR PISTOLS? 4? What the hell?
-I like naval battles and improve the ship

I don't know if I should expect one of the best AC or the worst ever.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 02:15 PM
My whole point is that they shouldn't experiment too much. They know very well what settings the fans want to see. Still, they discarded all those wishes and labeled them boring which is a subjective view on the things, I believe. Trying to be different for the sake of being different is a bad idea in the gaming industry in general.

So you'd rather they just practised "fan service" and ditched the creative vision they have? I trust the devs know what direction the series should go more so than the fans.

Megas_Doux
02-28-2013, 02:16 PM
As a creative writing student I'd say I objectively have a more viable opinion than you do as it pretains to storytelling.

I get this is a forum for Assassin's Creed fans, but the banboy mentality in this thread is pretty alarming. If you can't tell that Assassin's Creed II - save for the multiplayer - is a bad game both from a gameplay and (especially) a story perspective, then I don't know what to tell you.

Take some writing courses, I suppose.

Ehhh.


Again, to me, I enjoy Connor more than Ezio because his non cliche approach. There is been a lot of those womanizer, charming aka james bond characters already. ...

Back on topic, the screen looks uber cool!!!! Ubisoft will lead me to the bankrupt.....

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:17 PM
They picked it because the only thing that anyone liked about the singleplayer - outside of the zombie fanboys/girls - were the naval missions. And it doesn't need Desmond. I'm sure there are other's who could share this person as an ancestor. Yes, it's a plot contrivance. Then again, ACIII was one GIANT plot contrivance itself. It literally only existed to exist.

SaintPerkele
02-28-2013, 02:17 PM
I'm just glad to see that I'm not the only one who is quite concerned when it comes to this new game.

Ubisoft seems to try to make their franchise appeal to bigger and bigger audiences. They are not staying true to the core parts of their franchise. And now please don't quote me everybody and say: "Yeah, well, you don't know that, the game is not even out!"
As someone on another forum put it, Ubisoft seems to disregard historical accuracy now in order to get more sales.
Sure, this game might be fun. Sure roaming the seas as a pirate will be cool. Sure walking through some Carribbean port city at night will be atmospheric.
But Assassin's Creed is more than just free-running and occasionally assassinating someone. Just make a new IP Ubisoft, or are you afraid that this won't sell as well? It seems to work with Watch Dogs and everybody is absolutely excited for this, so why not try it again?

And just so everybody on here is happy: This is an opinion and an opinion only, of course everything I just said can be wrong in your eyes. OKAY?

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:18 PM
As a creative writing student I'd say I objectively have a more viable opinion than you do as it pretains to storytelling.

I get this is a forum for Assassin's Creed fans, but the banboy mentality in this thread is pretty alarming. If you can't tell that Assassin's Creed II - save for the multiplayer - is a bad game both from a gameplay and (especially) a story perspective, then I don't know what to tell you.

Take some writing courses, I suppose.
I`m a Game Design student...nice meeting you too..

Hell, I`d be better than each and everyone of you parasites here, right ? But do tell me, did that little "my opinion is more viable than yours" bit make you feel better about yourself ? No, Seriously....Do you feel better ?

So many children here tonight

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:19 PM
They picked it because the only thing that anyone liked about the singleplayer - outside of the zombie fanboys/girls - were the naval missions. And it doesn't need Desmond. I'm sure there are other's who could share this person as an ancestor. Yes, it's a plot contrivance. Then again, ACIII was one GIANT plot contrivance itself. It literally only existed to exist.

This is quite hilarious. Anyone who agrees with your viewpoint is alright, all others are zombie fanboys? Gotta say I'm grateful you're quitting AC xD

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:19 PM
I like how you ignore the fact that most core gamers saw Assassin's Creed III as a disappointment. Only the "hardcore" fans were satisfied with being disrespected.


So you'd rather they just practised "fan service" and ditched the creative vision they have? I trust the devs know what direction the series should go more so than the fans.

ROFL! Creative vision? What is creative about releasing the same game every year with a different palette swap and an even more inane and rushed story with a plot that rivals few fan-fictions?

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 02:19 PM
They picked it because the only thing that anyone liked about the singleplayer - outside of the zombie fanboys/girls - were the naval missions. And it doesn't need Desmond. I'm sure there are other's who could share this person as an ancestor. Yes, it's a plot contrivance. Then again, ACIII was one GIANT plot contrivance itself. It literally only existed to exist.

So what i'm reading now is that anyone that liked anything in AC3 besides the naval missions is a mindless zombie fanboy. Weak.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:20 PM
ROFL! Creative vision? What is creative about releasing the same game every year with a different palette swap and an even more inane and rushed story with a plot that rivals few fan-fictions?
I really wish you`re a kid now..

because if you`re not....well

Mr John Dread
02-28-2013, 02:20 PM
There are already enough people calling AC the new CoD. If you were the dev, who would you listen to? And don't know about you, but their experiment with naval stuff I **** well loved. So I'll wait before passing a judgement on their latest experimentation.

If I were the dev, I would eradicate the reason why most people think AC is the new CoD simply by stopping the annual releases (because as a company the budget must be top priority always?) and actually make a really good game once in a few years. When it comes to sequels I think the more time you take the better it gets (exceptions prove the rule). Listen to the wishes of the fans and mix it with your own ideas. Concentrate on making a good game as a whole and stop experimenting with single mechanisms, giving the game a scattered feel.

silvermercy
02-28-2013, 02:20 PM
He has 4 guns because he can! LOL The gun loading wasn't the fastest back then you know... I'd have 8 if I lived as a pirate back then!

ace3001
02-28-2013, 02:21 PM
It seems discussion is moving onto this thread from the previous humongous one, so I'll just paste my response here as well. :p

So, it's confirmed, eh? AC FB page took it down quickly, but that was definitely official box art.

Now, what I'm wondering is, am I the only one really worried about this? I have no doubts that the game will be pretty cool. I'll most probably end up enjoying it a lot, if the quality of AC3 can be maintained (but not the bugs, please), but will it be Assassin's Creed? "Pirates" is such a commonly used theme in games, after all. Not as common as WW2, but not just in games, but in entertainment in general, pirates are pretty common (and popular). Feels like a bad cash in on the naval gameplay. I'll reserve final judgment until the 4th, but I can't help feeling worried about where the series seems to be going. This is coming from someone who enjoyed all the main AC games upto now, defending the series vehemently during the times of Brotherhood and Revelations when people were going "OMG MILKING".

Also, why the "IV"? AC to AC II, then AC II to AC III were big jumps, especially in the gameplay department, and in terms of past story, the three were pretty much unrelated except for some Altair presence in AC2 trilogy. But if we're playing as Edward Kenway, then this is more like a prequel to Haytham's story, rather than being an all new AC.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:21 PM
I really wish you`re a kid now..

because if you`re not....well

Give him some respect. He is a creative writer dam you!

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:21 PM
If I were the dev, I would eradicate the reason why most people think AC is the new CoD simply by stopping the annual releases (because as a company the budget must be top priority always?) and actually make a really good game once in a few years. When it comes to sequels I think the more time you take the better it gets (exceptions prove the rule). Listen to the wishes of the fans and mix it with your own ideas. Concentrate on making a good game as a whole and stop experimenting with single mechanisms, giving the game a scattered feel.
You know what ? I respect you..

At least you`re not all "FRARDSRA MY OPINIOZ IS BETTER THAN YOUZZZZ" about yourself

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 02:22 PM
Ubisoft seems to disregard historical accuracy now in order to get more sales.


What exactly is historically inaccurate about this?

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:22 PM
Give him some respect. He is a creative writer dam you!
Ooooooooh so sorry...

Does lord wish me to scrub his testicles ?

SaintPerkele
02-28-2013, 02:23 PM
Can people leave their private discussions out of this thread and act like mature people please? It is obvious that many like the new setting and many others dislike it completely. I think we have all legitimate reasons for our opinion and can share them with each other.

And calling someone else a kid does not make you look like a grown-up, wise guy. It makes you look like someone who has run out of arguments.


What exactly is historically inaccurate about this?
So far? Nothing, as we haven't seen the game yet. I'm just afraid that Ubisoft will make use of less important historical events in this one, as the golden age was not exactly as filled with these as the Crusades, the Renaissance or the American Revolution. So in order to make storytelling better, even more things will probably be invented that are not exactly historically accurate. The great thing about ACII for example was that many events featured there were not as incredibly exciting and filled with explosions as AC games were since Brotherhood - that's why they often felt a bit slow, but I loved that. AC does not need to be an action-movie, it is supposed to give an accurate depiction of a certain era.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:23 PM
If I were the dev, I would eradicate the reason why most people think AC is the new CoD simply by stopping the annual releases (because as a company the budget must be top priority always?) and actually make a really good game once in a few years. When it comes to sequels I think the more time you take the better it gets (exceptions prove the rule). Listen to the wishes of the fans and mix it with your own ideas. Concentrate on making a good game as a whole and stop experimenting with single mechanisms, giving the game a scattered feel.

Believe me I don't like these yearly sequels as well. But obviously the devs have no say over it. So what's the next best thing you can do? Keep it fresh within the limited timespan. I think they're doing their best.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:24 PM
And calling someone else a kid does not make you look like a grown-up, wise guy. It makes you look like someone who has run out of arguments.
Stay out of this ??

Talk about what you like, and stay out of that which does not concern you, Hmm ?

And I know this makes you mad, but....please...know what you`re talking about before you do, because again...you look ridiculous

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:25 PM
I'm sorry, but there is an actual science to judging a story. It's not something that is up for debate. There are good stories and there are bad stories. Assassin's Creed III as all the hallmarks of a badly written, rushed story. Take it to any literary professor and you'll hear the same thing. I believe someone on reddit had their professor review the game when it came out and it was embarassing all of the very basic and fundamental things it gets wrong. There are so many contrivances and plot-holes it's really impossible for me to list them all here.

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 02:25 PM
D*mn this thread goes fast. Every post i seem to reply to is already 'old' :p

silvermercy
02-28-2013, 02:25 PM
They will stop making yearly releases when people stop buying them. End of story.

PANiC_ATTACKER
02-28-2013, 02:25 PM
Are you all looking forward to your re-skinned AC3 game!!. Black flag!! get the f*ck out of here UBI! I have bought every AC game, not this one.

Your taking the p!ss!. When you move the timeline completely (so i know your not recycling and re-skinning something I have already bought), give me a shout. Clowns

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:25 PM
And calling someone else a kid does not make you look like a grown-up, wise guy. It makes you look like someone who has run out of arguments.

And how does calling those who don't share your viewpoint a zombie fanboy make you (not you!) look like? I'd say something on a very high horse..

Dead-Pirate
02-28-2013, 02:25 PM
The next installment is probably about Mediterranean pirates .( North African pirates)

TheHumanTowel
02-28-2013, 02:26 PM
Can people leave their private discussions out of this thread and act like mature people please? It is obvious that many like the new setting and many others dislike it completely. I think we have all legitimate reasons for our opinion and can share them with each other.

And calling someone else a kid does not make you look like a grown-up, wise guy. It makes you look like someone who has run out of arguments.
This for the love of god. Some people really need to learn when to shut up.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 02:26 PM
ROFL! Creative vision? What is creative about releasing the same game every year with a different palette swap and an even more inane and rushed story with a plot that rivals few fan-fictions?

Different palette swap? AC3 is a beautiful looking game and yes, like most games, AC has it's own sort of theme throughout the series. So i don't know what you mean by palette swap. You're a creative writing student, but i haven't seen you give any details as to why you think AC's plot is bad...I'm assuming you know everything about the plot so far there is to know, right?

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:26 PM
I'm sorry, but there is an actual science to judging a story. It's not something that is up for debate. There are good stories and there are bad stories. Assassin's Creed III as all the hallmarks of a badly written, rushed story. Take it to any literary professor and you'll hear the same thing. I believe someone on redditt had their professor review teh game when it came out and it was embarassing all of the very basic and fundamental things it gets wrongs. There are so many contrivances and plot-holes it's really impossible fo me to list them all here.
I`ll believe you when you spell "embarrassing" correctly..

SuperLoboMau 25
02-28-2013, 02:26 PM
I'm just glad to see that I'm not the only one who is quite concerned when it comes to this new game.

Ubisoft seems to try to make their franchise appeal to bigger and bigger audiences. They are not staying true to the core parts of their franchise. And now please don't quote me everybody and say: "Yeah, well, you don't know that, the game is not even out!"
As someone on another forum put it, Ubisoft seems to disregard historical accuracy now in order to get more sales.
Sure, this game might be fun. Sure roaming the seas as a pirate will be cool. Sure walking through some Carribbean port city at night will be atmospheric.
But Assassin's Creed is more than just free-running and occasionally assassinating someone. Just make a new IP Ubisoft, or are you afraid that this won't sell as well? It seems to work with Watch Dogs and everybody is absolutely excited for this, so why not try it again?

And just so everybody on here is happy: This is an opinion and an opinion only, of course everything I just said can be wrong in your eyes. OKAY?

They're adding these new features in AC and not in other game because the name of franchise makes sell. If they start a pirate's franchise with other title it will not sell half.

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:27 PM
And how does calling those who don't share your viewpoint a zombie fanboy make you (not you!) look like? I'd say something on a very high horse..

Read above. You're free to like bad writing, but it's objectively bad. It's not a matter of opinion.

SaintPerkele
02-28-2013, 02:27 PM
Stay out of this ??

Talk about what you like, and stay out of that which does not concern you, Hmm ?

And I know this makes you mad, but....please...know what you`re talking about before you do, because again...you look ridiculous
And that's how you make people loose respect for you in one minute, folks!

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:27 PM
Read above. Your free to like bad writing, but it's objectively bad. It's not a matter of opinion.
You`re*

Sorry...Just had to

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:28 PM
And that's how you make people loose respect for you in one minute, folks!
Charlie, sonny..

I`m busy right now....I`ll get you your bottle later

Mr John Dread
02-28-2013, 02:28 PM
Believe me I don't like these yearly sequels as well. But obviously the devs have no say over it. So what's the next best thing you can do? Keep it fresh within the limited timespan. I think they're doing their best.

I can agree with that. I'm sure the Ubisoft devs are a great team and I respect them for creating a reason to be a fan. They do their best, of course. I just wish Ubisoft, as a company, would adapt to that.

TheHumanTowel
02-28-2013, 02:28 PM
Man screw this thread. Any attempt at actual discussion is drowned out by petty children throwing a tantrum.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:29 PM
Man screw this thread. Any attempt at actual discussion is drowned out by petty children throwing a tantrum.
There`ll be discussions when people with security issues actually stop posting crap about being elites...

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:30 PM
You`re*

Sorry...Just had to

Congrats. You can correct my iPhone's auto-correct.

SaintPerkele
02-28-2013, 02:30 PM
Charlie, sonny..

I`m busy right now....I`ll get you your bottle later
Very grown up of you! Why do you complain about people posting crap in these threads but you do not attempt to write anything better and just complain about them?


And how does calling those who don't share your viewpoint a zombie fanboy make you (not you!) look like? I'd say something on a very high horse..
Sure it does! I was calling out to both sides discussing here.


They're adding these new features in AC and not in other game because the name of franchise makes sell. If they start a pirate's franchise with other title it will not sell half.
That's exactly what I'm afraid of. The franchise might get ruined or at least downgraded for money purposes only.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 02:30 PM
Man screw this thread. Any attempt at actual discussion is drowned out by petty children throwing a tantrum.

Yeah, seems you can't have a thread without a true creative genius high jacking it to call everyone fanboys/fangirls.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:31 PM
Man screw this thread. Any attempt at actual discussion is drowned out by petty children throwing a tantrum.

Please don't throw the towel!

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:31 PM
Sure it does! I was calling out to both sides discussing here.
Uhh No you weren't..sorry

You just called out the party that disagrees with you...

TheHumanTowel
02-28-2013, 02:32 PM
There`ll be discussions when people with security issues actually stop posting crap about being elites...
There'll be discussions when you and every else involved in this ******* argument just shut up instead of constantly trying to get the last word in.

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:32 PM
Yeah, seems you can't have a thread without a true creative genius high jacking it to call everyone fanboys/fangirls.

Strawman arguments and character defamation really lead to civil discourse.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:32 PM
There'll be discussions when you and every else involved in this ******* argument just shut up instead of constantly trying to get the last word in.
everyone*

Megas_Doux
02-28-2013, 02:32 PM
HOORAY.............


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZUN6-JwwMA


ADAM You did not like Connor, I did. END OF STORY!!!!!

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:33 PM
Read above. Your free to like bad writing, but it's objectively bad. It's not a matter of opinion.

Says the guy on the internet. I'm sorry but flashing the creative writing card doesn't make your point any more valid than mine. Believe what you want to, its still your opinion (and someone who spends his time dissing videogames) alone, no matter how important you think it is.

Hopefully you'll find Oscar-quality writing in other games. happy trails.

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:34 PM
Uhh No you weren't..sorry

You just called out the party that disagrees with you...

Um, no. He was talking to both sides of the argument man. It seems like it's you who can't handle when others disagree wih your opinion. I was presenting a demonstrable, objective fact that ACIII is badly written. Yes, You can still like it, that's fine, but that doesn't make it a good story.

Ubi-MoshiMoshi
02-28-2013, 02:34 PM
Guys, please be civil to each other.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 02:34 PM
Strawman arguments and character defamation really lead to civil discourse.

Yeah, because your posts have epitomised civility. Now i'm convinced you're a troll. Albeit a butthurt one.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:35 PM
Um, no. He was talking to both sides of the argument man. It seems like it's you who can't handle when other's disagree wih your opinion. I was presenting a demonstrable, objective fact that ACIII is badly written. Yes, You can still like it, that's fine, but that doesn't make it a good story.
How ironic....how very Ironic..

This post should be hung up on a museum...really...for being so Ironic..

SaintPerkele
02-28-2013, 02:36 PM
Uhh No you weren't..sorry

You just called out the party that disagrees with you...
Nobody disagreed with me since I did not partake in any discussion, at least in this thread. Let me quote my post again:

Can people leave their private discussions out of this thread and act like mature people please? It is obvious that many like the new setting and many others dislike it completely. I think we have all legitimate reasons for our opinion and can share them with each other.

And calling someone else a kid does not make you look like a grown-up, wise guy. It makes you look like someone who has run out of arguments.
So that's just calling out the party that disagress with me? NO, it's not.

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:36 PM
Lol the iron knee..

Megas_Doux
02-28-2013, 02:36 PM
Hey M, YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!
LOL

dxsxhxcx
02-28-2013, 02:37 PM
Guys, please be civil to each other.

please just close this thread...

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:37 PM
Says the guy on the internet. I'm sorry but flashing the creative writing card doesn't make your point any more valid than mine. Believe what you want to, its still your opinion (and someone who spends his time dissing videogames) alone, no matter how important you think it is.

Hopefully you'll find Oscar-quality writing in other games. happy trails.

More strawman arguments from those without an actual position. I never said I was "looking for 'Oscar-quality' writing in a videogame." As a matter of fact I reject the whole "Oscar-quality" thing outright. There are many bad movies with bad stories that have won Oscars. And there are many brilliant films that have won no awards whatsoever. As a matter of fact, the Oscars aren't even entirely based around plot, so I really don't see your point.

ace3001
02-28-2013, 02:37 PM
Guys? Black Flag?

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:37 PM
Nobody disagreed with me since I did not partake in any discussion, at least in this thread. Let me quote my post again:

So that's just calling out the party that disagress with me? NO, it's not.
The party that disagrees with you being me...

I don't see you calling anyone else out, really...

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:38 PM
How ironic....how very Ironic..

This post should be hung up on a museum...really...for being so Ironic..

I don't think the word ironic means what you think it means....

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:38 PM
Hey M, YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!
LOL
Oh yeah, it`s those guys...xD

roostersrule2
02-28-2013, 02:39 PM
Anyone up for some re-conciliatory yoga classes?

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 02:39 PM
Guys? Black Flag?

Yeah, just waiting on more details come Monday ;) Can't wait.

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 02:39 PM
I don't think the word ironic means what you think it means....

Have you read this part of your post?
"It seems like it's you who can't handle when other's disagree wih your opinion."

Anyway, is this sh*tstorm finally over?

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:39 PM
I don't think the word ironic means what you think it means....
let me guess, this`ll be followed by -add derogatory term here- Egyptian..

Or something to do with my Education in English and me being Egyptian...

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:40 PM
Have you read this part of your post?
"It seems like it's you who can't handle when other's disagree wih your opinion."

Anyway, is this sh*tstorm finally over?
more than likely not...until I log out at least

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:41 PM
Have you read this part of your post?
"It seems like it's you who can't handle when other's disagree wih your opinion."

Anyway, is this sh*tstorm finally over?

Because, the fact that ACIII has a bad story is NOT an opinion. It's an objective fact. I've explained this. You can still like it, that's fine. But, that doesn't make it good.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:41 PM
Because, the fact that ACIII has a bad story is NOT an opinion. It's an objective fact. I've explained this. You can still like it, that's fine. But, that doesn't make it good.
LOL...............No xD

just no....How much better do you want to feel about yourself, man ?? Come OON !!

You`re embarrassing yourself

ace3001
02-28-2013, 02:41 PM
Yeah, just waiting on more details come Monday ;) Can't wait.I guess this Monday will seal the fate of the series for me. I'm hoping so much that the usual gameplay won't be overshadowed by naval combat. AC is not a ship combat game, after all. I agree that naval battles were cool, but that as a centerpiece with the "Assassin's Creed" label doesn't make it an AC game, IMO.

TheHumanTowel
02-28-2013, 02:42 PM
I'm a little apprehensive because I didn't like Naval much in AC3 and now it seems it's going to be one of the core mechanics of the game. It's just a mechanic that doesn't feel Assassin's Creed to me. No parkour, no social stealth. It would be fine as a set-piece but as one of the main components of the game I'm worried. I'll wait for more info though. This setting is very interesting and is one of those one's that could be brilliant or really bad.

Megas_Doux
02-28-2013, 02:43 PM
Ubisoft I am going bankrupt!!!!!
Annually releases, three parted dlc´s :(

pirate1802
02-28-2013, 02:44 PM
More strawman arguments from those without an actual position. I never said I was "looking for 'Oscar-quality' writing in a videogame." As a matter of fact I reject the whole "Oscar-quality" thing outright. There are many bad movies with bad stories that have won Oscars. And there are many brilliant films that have won no awars whatsoever. As a matter of fact, the Oscars aren't even entirely based around plot, so I really don't see your point.

What strawman? You said you were a creative writing student hence your opinion is more valid than ours. You said some professor dissed AC3 on reddit hence. So all this automatically means your opinion becomes subjective, and others are fanboys if they disagree with you.

Oscar-quality was a mistake. I meant more like Nobel-quality. I'm sure other games have so high literary quality compared to AC3. I'd like to hear which contemporary games you consider the example of "good writing" is what I meant.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:44 PM
Ubisoft I am going bankrupt!!!!!
Annually releases, three parted dlc´s :(
and watch dogs

Aphex_Tim
02-28-2013, 02:44 PM
AC is not a ship combat game, after all.

The first couple of games weren't. This one is.
I like the change, as long as it fits with AC lore.

FrankieSatt
02-28-2013, 02:44 PM
It seems that the naval part of ACIII will become a full fledged game in ACIV. I don't know about this one. I think they are milking the "Cash Cow" too much.

Fallen_Pariah
02-28-2013, 02:45 PM
Even though I have been a longtime fan of the game franchise since the first installment, I must admit I am a bit shocked to see another sequel announced not long after the release of number 3. However that being said I have absolute faith that Ubisoft will deliver to the best they can. I enjoyed number 3 more than ACR and ACB and although this seems like a bit of a steer away from the core mechanics that made the series, I think what they will do is just tweak them a bit, I highly doubt they will eradicate all stealth elements.

UrDeviant1
02-28-2013, 02:45 PM
I guess this Monday will seal the fate of the series for me. I'm hoping so much that the usual gameplay won't be overshadowed by naval combat. AC is not a ship combat game, after all. I agree that naval battles were cool, but that as a centerpiece with the "Assassin's Creed" label doesn't make it an AC game, IMO.

It's natural for people to assume the worst. But we have little to no details about the game yet. When interviews start surfacing with the Devs, then i think we'll have a better understanding and can begin to criticise!

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:45 PM
It seems that the naval part of ACIII will become a full fledged game in ACIV.
*FACEPALM*

it`s not a full fledged naval game -_________-

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:46 PM
What strawman? You said you were a creative writing student hence your opinion is more valid than ours. You said some professor dissed AC3 on reddit hence. So all this automatically means your opinion becomes subjective, and others are fanboys if they disagree with you.

Oscar-quality was a mistake. I meant more like Nobel-quality. I'm sure other games have so high literary quality compared to AC3. I'd like to hear which contemporary games you consider the example of "good writing" is what I meant.

The strawman was suggesting that I needed some sublime peace of art out of a Assassin's Creed game. That isn't what I said and therefore, you presented a strawman argument. All I wanted was a quality follow-up to Assassin's Creed II. I didn't get it and more so I was decieved to think that the game had been worked on for several years.

FrankieSatt
02-28-2013, 02:47 PM
*FACEPALM*

it`s not a full fledged naval game -_________-

You know this how? I'm going by the box art with the naval ships on it, what are you basing your opinions on?

Megas_Doux
02-28-2013, 02:47 PM
and watch dogs

Far Cry!

Again and again, and on and on.....

Have mercy of me, I am just a engineering student, no money :(

SaintPerkele
02-28-2013, 02:47 PM
It seems that the naval part of ACIII will become a full fledged game in ACIV. I don't know about this one. I think they are milking the "Cash Cow" too much.
I would have appreciated a lengthy naval DLC. This way, fans of naval can play it and others don't have to - I would, I loved naval, even though it's not very assassin-like.
I expected a sequel next year anyway (although I would have appreciated a break), but I think they are missing opportunities the fans are craving for.

ace3001
02-28-2013, 02:47 PM
I'm a little apprehensive because I didn't like Naval much in AC3 and now it seems it's going to be one of the core mechanics of the game. It's just a mechanic that doesn't feel Assassin's Creed to me. No parkour, no social stealth. It would be fine as a set-piece but as one of the main components of the game I'm worried. I'll wait for more info though. This setting is very interesting and is one of those one's that could be brilliant or really bad.
I think it'll all come down to how uniquely they utilize the "pirate" theme, and how well they incorporate naval combat in between normal gameplay segments. I feel that the majority of gameplay should be with the player controlling the ancestor on foot/horse as with the earlier games for it to actually feel like an AC game. If it turns into something like naval battle after naval battle after naval battle ad nauseum, it's going to be terrible. I like how AC III handled this. There was some naval battles in the main game, but most of it was left optional so that those who didn't like it weren't being forced to play it. After all, someone who likes the standard formula of AC may not like naval battles at all.

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:47 PM
*FACEPALM*

it`s not a full fledged naval game -_________-

So you have an some insider knowledge, huh? Or maybe a crystal ball?

roostersrule2
02-28-2013, 02:48 PM
You know this how? I'm going by the box art with the naval ships on it, what are you basing your opinions on?I'm basing it on the fact that it's an AC game.

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:48 PM
You know this how? I'm going by the box art with the naval ships on it, what are you basing your opinions on?
sense is what I`m basing my FACTS on...

They wont throw away EVERYTHING in the name of Naval..

They never said it`s a full fledged game...just AC with more emphasis on Sailing...no more no less

MasterAssasin84
02-28-2013, 02:48 PM
I am not going to deny the fact that i am very dissapointed with ubi's decision on the setting i mean why not Egypt or even Asia ?


And what about the fans that hated Naval Combat ! i just hope the game is balanced out to please all fans .

Soulid_Snake
02-28-2013, 02:48 PM
Look at the protagonist's right arm (or your left), is that a knife pouch or the, not so, hidden blade?

straty88
02-28-2013, 02:48 PM
So erm, does anyone want to...you know...hug...

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:49 PM
So you have an some insider knowledge, huh? Or maybe a crystal ball?
Considering your elitist act back there, i`m legitimately surprised YOU are asking me this..

ace3001
02-28-2013, 02:49 PM
The first couple of games weren't. This one is.
I like the change, as long as it fits with AC lore.First couple? How about first FIVE? It's like making a combat flight simulator game and labelling it with the Battlefield brand. Battlefield has aircrafts, after all.

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:50 PM
sense is what I`m basing my FACTS on...

They wont throw away EVERYTHING in the name of Naval..

They never said it`s a full fledged game...just AC with more emphasis on Sailing...no more no less

They haven't said anything about it.

TheHumanTowel
02-28-2013, 02:50 PM
sense is what I`m basing my FACTS on...

They wont throw away EVERYTHING in the name of Naval..

They never said it`s a full fledged game...just AC with more emphasis on Sailing...no more no less
When did they say that?

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:50 PM
First couple? How about first FIVE? It's like making a combat flight simulator game and labelling it with the Battlefield brand. Battlefield has aircrafts, after all.
And then they cry that gameplay is the same...

ace3001
02-28-2013, 02:50 PM
sense is what I`m basing my FACTS on...

They wont throw away EVERYTHING in the name of Naval..

They never said it`s a full fledged game...just AC with more emphasis on Sailing...no more no less
Thing is, what will this "more emphasis on sailing" entail? Dammit, why isn't it the fourth already? :(

Fallen_Pariah
02-28-2013, 02:50 PM
But in his opinion, it is good. Just as it is in mine. I honestly think it is all left to the individual in the end to determine what they think of it considering I have played so many games that reviewers have said had bad stories and turned out to be decent in my opinion.

DoNNiEDaRkO50
02-28-2013, 02:51 PM
Remember Guys when AC3 was announced to have American Revolution setting almost everybody wasn't Excited Including me . Then you saw what happened . So I'm gonna wait till Monday to judge. But honestly. before AC3 was announced I was soooo Excited ,But for this title I'm not Excited at all . So like I said ,, Waiting till Monday .
But IMO they should have rested the series for at least 1 year . But I see this isn't happening . So they really MUST make the story Awesome for this one ! and not to ditch the modern day part because that's like the only thing that got me excited for the next titles,, It's not like AC3 Story was bad It was Very good but Like I said before it could have been better . Sooo please UBI don't Destroy this one and make it seem like a cheap Annual Game. And of course the Naval Part will not overshadow the core gameplay of the series . It's Assassin's Creed .. So they won't title It like that if they gonna make all Naval .. I really hope they go back to the original AC Atmosphere .

Assassin_M
02-28-2013, 02:51 PM
When did they say that?
The rumors ?? The rumors everyone seems to base their whining on ??

SaintPerkele
02-28-2013, 02:51 PM
I'm basing it on the fact that it's an AC game.
To be fair though, when I played ACI I would never have expected that I'm burning a ton of ships with a flamethrower, run across a battlefield while being attacked by thousands of soldiers with guns or just explosions in general. The AC franchise changed in certain terms quite a lot in the recent entries in the franchise, so we never know exactly what to expect of the next game.

ace3001
02-28-2013, 02:51 PM
And then they cry that gameplay is the same...I'm not one of those that said that. Pretty much changing the genre of a game series halfway isn't the way to diversify gameplay. That said, I hope they won't be making this a combat ship simulator.

AdamXEve
02-28-2013, 02:51 PM
I enjoy how M's response to anything is to turn the exact point of debate around on you even if it makes no rational sense whatsoever. It's hilarious.