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DIRTY-MAC
05-19-2004, 03:36 PM
How is the P-38s hanling in the new patch,
It is said it has been chnged.

DIRTY-MAC
05-19-2004, 03:36 PM
How is the P-38s hanling in the new patch,
It is said it has been chnged.

Art-J
05-19-2004, 03:43 PM
I don't know if it flies better (since I'm not dedicated Lighting flyer), but it has joined the elite club of "fire-extinguisher-havers", next to the ultimate TB-3 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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DIRTY-MAC
05-19-2004, 05:39 PM
?

Korolov
05-19-2004, 05:42 PM
P-38s got fire extinguishers for some unknown reason.

P-38 is a lot more agile now, with correct .50 cal ammo load (about 30 to 35 seconds sustained) and proper durability. It's not weak, but it's not nearly as tough as it used to be. Zoom climb is also improved. Roll rate feels about the same, L has a slight edge over the J in the low speed realm now.

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DuxCorvan
05-19-2004, 05:44 PM
He means you can use a extintor device to set off engine fires, if you assign a key to it. Until now, only TB-3 bombers had it.

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VFA-195 Snacky
05-19-2004, 05:53 PM
The P38L feels much better, BUT there is still a torque roll issue and a need to rudder trim in order to counter torque which shouldn't be needed with counter rotating props. From what I hear this is a game engine limitation and may never be fixed. All in All the P38 feels like a good BnZer.

also the P51D feels a tad more beefy in engine performance.

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bird_brain
05-19-2004, 05:56 PM
The P-38 needs a fire extinguisher since it collects 2x the flak. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Korolov
05-19-2004, 06:07 PM
Yeah but I don't ever recall fire extinguishers being mounted operationally on any P-38 models. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Gibbage1
05-19-2004, 06:16 PM
Nor do I. I will re-read the pilots manual, but I dont remember the fire extinguisher as part of the emergancy procedures in case of an engine fire.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Yeah but I don't ever recall fire extinguishers being mounted operationally on any P-38 models. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

|CoB|_Spectre
05-19-2004, 06:26 PM
It's hard to decipher if there has been an increase in overall gun lethality, a tightening of .50 cal dispersion or the "tuned damage models" of certain aircraft, but the P-38J seems to have increased firepower effectiveness in my opinion. I haven't tried the L-model yet, but I have the impression that the J-model has somewhat better handling due to the fact that I was able to pullout of a 600km/hr+ dive under 1000m. The J always did well if you got into a turn fight in the 250 km/hr range and threw out the flaps to combat or even takeoff position. It seems less prone to spins in the stall now. Obviously more time needs to be spent to get a better picture of things, but initial impressions are very positive, I think.

Bull_dog_
05-19-2004, 06:32 PM
I've flown mostly allied aircraft but here are some first impressions...

P-38
1) Torque/snap stalls greatly diminished! Very good news as the slow speed handling is greatly improved...I stalled a few times and it does fall off to one side but stalls are very recoverable

2)Dispersion fixed...vibration still there, maybe toned down a little...overall the .50's I think have not been changed in strength, but the dispersion has been corrected...the 20mm's are still doing the work but you don't want to go head to head with a lightning anymore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

3) I didn't do any speed testing, but I feel like the controls are more responsive and the dive break on the L is much different...doesn't provide near as much lift when depressed...I feel like the control heavyness has been decreased slightly...I also feel like acceleration is better but I'm just not sure. All in all I think the Lightning is going to command much more respect on-line. I was scoring hits from .75km against AI however no lethal damage.

4) In a high speed dive I come apart at 900Km/hr TAS and once blew up while pulling out.

5) The only real knock is there is still not water injection...I've read from a couple of sources that J and L models had it...really doesn't matter if the speed is there, but I'm not sure it is so this may be a short coming...roll rate seems modest on the L too but not bad...just not ambitious.

Mustang:
1).50's same as above...don't expect to be ripping through entire formations in your B model but do expect to kill an opponent at convergance... damage models seem to allow for more parts breakage again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

2)The B/C stang didn't blow up after pulling out of a dive, but I did shed my wings in a high g pull out so beware

P-47:
1) Jug drivers may command respect yet...the .50's are absolutely devestating at convergence and the D-27 Rolls YAHOOOOOO
The roll rate does bog down as speed increases to 650km/hr and beyond but I'll take what I can get... I would love to see some testing but I almost feel like the 27 is climbing faster now...Paddle blade prop maybe??? I'd love to see if one of the testers can confirm or deny that .... might just be all my excitement. The energy/dive modelling is still messed up...a 109 followed me to the deck in a nose down dive from 15,000 ft....but zoom may be better...I was able to gain about 80-85% of my altitude back after a power dive...returning to about 250km/hr.

Spitfire:
1) Sweet plane to fly...very forgiving like the Mk V and the ammo load seems to go on and on after flying the MkV

2) No combat flaps...rate of turn seems ok but I'll know more when I go online as it is so hard to tell.

3) Roll rate on clipped wing versions seem slow to me...they did at first on the mkV's too, but later I came to appreciate the difference a little more...

4)Good elevator response at high speed...no radiator settings...I don't know if this was purposeful or an ommission...throttle only goes to 100% but does have boost...like the La-5.

Overall the allied aircraft that I have flown seemed to be improved and the .50's, while not devastating, are now very servicable and downright deadly...watch for those Jugs and lightnings in dogfight servers....gone are the days of sneaking up behind an unsuspecting enemy and delivering a blast only to have them shake it off, loop around you, and blast you!!! If a jug or lightning gets the drop on you, you probably wont' be coming home http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

|CoB|_Spectre
05-19-2004, 06:43 PM
Nice evaluation Bulldog. We need more pilot feedback like this.

Call_me_Kanno
05-19-2004, 06:52 PM
The mirror within the mirror problem is gone now.
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worr
05-19-2004, 08:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bull_dog_:
5) The only real knock is there is still not water injection...I've read from a couple of sources that J and L models had it...really doesn't matter if the speed is there, but I'm not sure it is so this may be a short coming...roll rate seems modest on the L too but not bad...just not ambitious.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It just used overboost for WEP. No water. Some V1170s did have it after the war in racing models.

Worr, out

VFA-195 Snacky
05-19-2004, 10:52 PM
Good Job BullDog, but to make a correction it was the P51D that had the explosion bug in a high speed dive. This has been fixed now and while testing I started my dive from 10k and reached a sustained speed over 1100kmh before pulling out of the dive. Minor buffeting occured but no airframe damage on the pullout. Blackout occured (obvioulsy lol).

As far as the JUG, I agree it feels different in a good way. I don't think we will ever see it down with the LA7s and Spits, but nice to see it respond a little better.

The P38 is something I will have to spend more time with, but it definantly feels more responsive as well. I like the climbing ability now and it really helps get you out of those slow and low TnB fights and back up into the thin air.

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TAGERT.
05-19-2004, 10:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snacky1:
Good Job BullDog, but to make a correction it was the P51D that had the explosion bug in a high speed dive. This has been fixed now and while testing I started my dive from 10k and reached a sustained speed over 1100kmh before pulling out of the dive. Minor buffeting occured but no airframe damage on the pullout. Blackout occured (obvioulsy lol).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey Snacky1... what is the good word on the LOMAC patch?

I got so tired of waiting for the IL2 patch that I broke down and pick up LOMAC last saturday... Now I have not enjoyed a good JET sim sense Falcon 3.0 some 10+ years ago.. And I have bought just about every JET sim in the last 10+ years... So when I say "IM LOVING LOMAC" that means alot comming from me.

My life use to be easy... time to kill.. fly IL2... Now Ill have to flip a coin first! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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|CoB|_Spectre
05-19-2004, 11:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Call_me_Kanno:
The mirror within the mirror problem is gone now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only that, but they must've reworked the code because it now seems to have no noticeable effect on framerates. Before, it knocked my framerate down to single digits. Smooth as silk now.

VFA-195 Snacky
05-19-2004, 11:27 PM
Hey Tagert. Yeah I wish I had a date to give ya, but the beta guys don't even know. We are waiting on build 15 I think right now and if all is well then we should be able to finalize everything and get it out there. Nobody wants it to be done more than we do. I am excited to see the response from folks when they see the changes and fixes.
Basically if we get the build 15 this week and its good to go then it will go through Ubi's QA people which will take around 2 to 3 days, then it can be packaged up and released. Basically- 2 weeks.
LOL sorry couldn't resist. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Seriously we are real close bud. Literally a matter of days baring any new issues.

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Gibbage1
05-20-2004, 02:00 AM
On page 25 of the P-38 pilot manual it says

NOTE

Engine fire extinguishers are NOT installed in this airplane. Strict adherence to the following instructions as to mixture controle positions will reduce the possibility of fire. If fire does occur, shut off mixture controle, tank selector valve, electric fuel pump, and ignition to the affected engine.

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Mirtma
05-20-2004, 03:25 AM
Well, that would be nice. Two great patches in short time. When will I sleep? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snacky1:
Hey Tagert. Yeah I wish I had a date to give ya, but the beta guys don't even know. We are waiting on build 15 I think right now and if all is well then we should be able to finalize everything and get it out there. Nobody wants it to be done more than we do. I am excited to see the response from folks when they see the changes and fixes.
Basically if we get the build 15 this week and its good to go then it will go through Ubi's QA people which will take around 2 to 3 days, then it can be packaged up and released. Basically- 2 weeks.
LOL sorry couldn't resist. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Seriously we are real close bud. Literally a matter of days baring any new issues.

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Korolov
05-20-2004, 03:38 AM
You can sleep next month. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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VFA-195 Snacky
05-20-2004, 06:25 AM
Hell, I'll sleep when I'm dead.lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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VF-2_John_Banks
05-20-2004, 07:11 AM
The problem with the P-38 is, that we can't control the mixture! That's a real blow, since the mixture control in the P-38 wasn't automatic all the time. Even in the P-38 training video, where an older model is beeing featured, they change the mixture according to the desired flight profile. Only the propeller has to be set to automatic on both engines, to avoid the "running wild" phenomenon.

Btw, there is a nice multi engine bug in AEP now. When a plane with 2 or more engines, is flying with one engine off, others will see both engines running. When you start only one engine on the ground, you can see it spinning but then it stops. When you start the second eninge, both engine will start to turn till both are fully moving.

That's bad, cause you can't tell, if a P-38 or any other plane is flying on one engine only, due to battle damage or pilot preference.

EmbarkChief
05-20-2004, 07:26 AM
Does anyone know if they fixed the "My engine is on fire but it never blows up" bug with the -38? Of course now that we have fire extinguishers ( http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gifwhere did those come from? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif) its a moot point but I'm curious and stuck at work!

ZG77_Nagual
05-20-2004, 08:24 AM
Well, I did have the p38 blow up more than a few times with the engine on fire - sometimes you could put it out in a fast dive.

There were alot of versions of the 38 - ours are later - not sure when you manual is from gib - but I've heard even some of the later models came with older manuals.

I'm finding less control heaviness in the 38 - more responsive across the board though compression/control reversal seems to occur at the same speed - up to that point handling is better - with less delay and intertia in control response. Acceleration seems better and shallow climb performance is also improved.
I also agree on the torque issue - but keep in mind there was torque in the 38 under certain circumstances - falling off to one side at the top of a stall for example - when the props aoa is at variance. Ki84s seem to go down a little easier (DM I'm betting)and I thought I was having a little more trouble hitting targets - which could go to dispersion.

NorrisMcWhirter
05-20-2004, 10:03 AM
Hi,

From the opposite side of the fence, the P38 is much easier to bag now - this is maybe due to a combination of improved LW guns and decreased P38DM.

Cheers,
Norris

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