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CKKEL
02-04-2013, 05:49 AM
I'm really a fan of the franchise, since 2008, when I've played AC I. God, what a game. Inspite all the same "mimimimi" (gameplay repetitive), in terms of grahfics, feeling that you're REALLY RELIVING the MEMORY and not just "PLAYING" around, and in terms of STORY, the game had it better.

Now...to all fans (or just crazy guys/girls that are obsessed by him and only sees him ¬¬ ) of Ezio, he was a great character, and for his story, he did what was need to be done. His story was much more deeper than I can even imagine back to 2009 when it debuted. But he was not the only one who was great. Everything in terms of equippment that he possessed was designed by Da Vinci through ALTAIR Codex. Altair was a character that deserverd more emphazis and the same for Desmond. When Revelations came out, I was expecting , I don't know, play with Altair more, a whole lot more. Do Something great...like...go to East and face the Mongolian threat as he stated by himself in the Codex. And the lack of story of ACR, was a disappointment.

And then, came ACIII. Great graphics, great gameplay, huge world to explore, but keeps you in a tutorial for 3 sequences. Don't have a good explanation about the previous games for beginners to understand the logic (or not since Nothing is true) of the clash between Templars and Assassins. For a game that was in 3 years prep, it has a lot of bugs as well. The story of Connor is fine, but not good like Altair's story and not even great like Ezio's story. Connor's story is only fine. But, what about DESMOND??? WTF? Who is that? Oh yeah, the guy that you just erased.

The guy that we (fans and no-fans) played, for 5 five years,*SPOILERS* just die. Nothing more. And his arch enemy, Warren Vidic, the guy that bothers us since AC I. When meeting with him again, I was expecting some kind of duel.(I don't know, like the Pope and Ezio. Epic and not boring like Cesare final round). All we have was some gunshots during a cinematic cutscene envolving the Apple of Eden and it's done. The huge s.o.b. from the first game, is dead with a headshot. It could been a LOT better. And about Abstergo Satellite, it could have been a gameplay sequence in wich Desmond infiltrates and disable the satellite.

Ubisoft, you promised us a game, a work, a masterpiece. I was hoping that the "holes in the story " that Revelations delivered, when it excluded all the meaning of the story from the previous games, could be 'fixed', since Core May is such a great lead writter. And all that I saw after beating this game is a "sketch" of what Assassin's Creed III could be with it's potential. I'm a fan, a disappointed one. I bought every single one game of the franchise, because I loved this franchise. The way that retell us history, and how you as character of that period time could interact with this amazing world through reliving the memories of yours ancestors. Everything in the game I just loved. But know, I'm very sad. I hope you don't waste more characters in the future, because not exploring the last appearence of Desmond on this game was very sloppy, as you did with Altair in Revelations. The last appearence of a great character and then, you resumed his life to Masyaf. ¬¬

YOU GUYS SHOULD DELIVER A DLC CHANGING THIS FINAL. It's the minimal, after all, we payed for this game expecting and believing in your lies. And I'm not the only one. Search on youtube commentaries about your "ending for this game".

And you guys, are not focusing more in making a game that it's great like Halo has been doing for decades; You guys are focusing in only making money. Why not just change Ubisoft's most famous franchise for " TEMPLARS GREED - Nothing is content, everything is money." ? ¬¬

Assassin_M
02-04-2013, 06:46 AM
YOU GUYS SHOULD DELIVER A DLC CHANGING THIS FINAL. It's the minimal, after all, we payed for this game expecting and believing in your lies.
NO

Ferrith
02-04-2013, 08:59 AM
YOU GUYS SHOULD DELIVER A DLC CHANGING THIS FINAL. It's the minimal, after all, we payed for this game expecting and believing in your lies. And I'm not the only one. Search on youtube commentaries about your "ending for this game".

AC III wasn't the *great* game everyone expected based on Ubisoft's advertisement. So, let it die, and Desmond with it. He has nothing more to offer anyway.

AjinkyaParuleka
02-04-2013, 09:41 AM
Connor's Story>Ezio>Altair.Tell me a game which doesn't has bugs in them.

bveUSbve
02-04-2013, 10:04 AM
I mostly agree.

I just don't see why the disgrace that is ACIII's ending should be compared with the ending of 'Revelations'. While 'Revelations' was forgettable, as a whole, its ending - and here I'm talking about the Ezio part, in case that's not clear - wasn't so bad; it was quite ok.

Lupercus50
02-04-2013, 10:14 AM
Well I found something good in AC3, the hunting and building the homestead, I'm on the last sequence for Connor, it says something when I find the side quests more fun than the main quest, many times I end up with loss of sync levels because messages were not clear enough on what NOT to do, one example was following a couple of guys to eaves drop, I saw a cart following them so I hopped in, up pops the message "fail: do not hide while listening"; huh seriously?, my character is an assassin NOT out for a daily stroll, then there are the bugs and glitches, don't misunderstand, it's obvious a lot of effort was put in to the games development, but I've lost entire sequences due to some glitch, like flying up like superman only to land like a rag doll dead, then a bear savaged connor because he could not get out of a pile of leaves and branches(hiding place), just stuck standing in it, got stuck on a tree branch, the only way off was to fast travel.
Oh and one of my all time favorites, was doing the liberation missions in Boston, only had one left to do, it was toward the north end, some regulars were escorting in prisoner, I was able to see them before the trigger, when I saw where they were standing I already knew it was going to go bad, sure enough as I approached, they all just vanished into thin air, that's what happens in that location, as you approach npc's they start to vanish, it left the liberation of Boston unfinished.

Anyway, that's my gripe over, I'll just say this, I doubt I'll be pulling this game off the shelf for a second play through in a hurry, and then probably only for the hunting and homestead building, I really enjoy taking down the bears and stags.

CKKEL
02-05-2013, 04:41 PM
Yeah, I agree with you about Ezio part. They did fine. My complaning was about Altair's part and so as Desmond's. Both characters (especially Altair) had much potential that was simply wasted. Ezio was not great as in ACII and ACB, but it's fine.

CKKEL
02-05-2013, 04:53 PM
Lupercus50, I agree with you either as I agreed with bveUSbve. But, inspite all bugs, ACIII is a good game, but not what they promised us. A lot of things envolving Desmond's last stand, that they said: " You will see and play a lot more with him then before and etc." was not delivered to us. I had a big disappointment with how they finish Altair's story in ACR and now, AC III, that was supposed to be epic (like Halo 3, GOW 3 [inspite it ending as well] or Uncharted 3) was just fine and sloppy like Mass Effect 3. They basically, did the same mistake that BIOWARE did with the ending of Mass Effect. The difference, is that, inspite the DLC of M.E. 3 be so awful as the ending, at least they developed and released a DLC that gives you more "opportunities" for the ending, most precisely, more paths to follow, different that our friend, Ubisoft.

CKKEL
02-05-2013, 04:59 PM
Lupercus50, I agree with you either as I agreed with bveUSbve. But, inspite all bugs, ACIII is a good game, but not what they promised us. A lot of things envolving Desmond's last stand, that they said: " You will see and play a lot more with him then before and etc." was not delivered to us. I had a big disappointment with how they finish Altair's story in ACR and now, AC III, that was supposed to be epic (like Halo 3, GOW 3 [inspite it ending as well] or Uncharted 3) was just fine and sloppy like Mass Effect 3. They basically, did the same mistake that BIOWARE did with the ending of Mass Effect. The difference, is that, inspite the DLC of M.E. 3 be so awful as the ending, at least they developed and released a DLC that gives you more "opportunities" for the ending, most precisely, more paths to follow, different that our friend, Ubisoft.

Razrback16
02-05-2013, 06:09 PM
Agree with the OP. IMO the ending of AC3 was awful from both Connor's perspective, and Desmond's.

bveUSbve
02-05-2013, 07:18 PM
My complaning was about Altair's part and so as Desmond's. Both characters (especially Altair) had much potential that was simply wasted. Ezio was not great as in ACII and ACB, but it's fine.
Ok, then we see things alike. :)

Sanctus91
02-06-2013, 11:56 AM
Same opinion here i really hoped this was the last one in the series more so after i played Revelations, i really wanted to see how the Templar-Assassin war would end and proper closure to characters , the ending is so "unfit" im really curious how will AC4 will be if there ever will be one , i agree as well that AC:B is the best in the series , i tried to like Connor and i like his culture but they put so little it just left me wanting more, he as a character is so uninteresting , his motives are great but they way he interacts with the characters feels like a step back from Ezio, i liked the villains in AC3 , in revelations that was the weakest point , what would have been great if AC3 was about only Haytham , the story of an assassin turned templar that would have been way more interesting than what we got in the end

Papa_479
02-06-2013, 01:40 PM
Sorry AC3 Fans But I am so disapointed with this game over the other AC games,this one might have won awards for best movie and music but iI buy games
because they are fun and this one was NOT FUN. Yes it was a challenge but everything that was fun about the other ac games was missing or made to
difficult to do, simple things like climbing a tree for a veiw point which I coulndnt do, or unlocking a chest which I could not do,or have buisnesses to earn
money so you can buy weapons wich I could not do for lack of money, or have lots of places to go to buy those weapons which we didnt have .
I mean good grief guys the game is suposed to be fun not a acadamy award winner this game was hard to put up with i was so happy to get it done !!!!
All my other ac games I have played over and over again this piece of C____P will go on the shelf and never be played again.
If this is the sign of things to come this will be the last of your ac games I will buy , this was not a fun game to play (http://forums.ubi.com/#), put back the fun things that are easy
to do along with a challenge or to and some good music and a good movie and put out a better game please This One WAS BAD .

Papa Guns
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions I liked all the ac games till NOWhttp://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20120411.419/images/smilies/frown.png

YazX_
02-06-2013, 02:31 PM
just why everyone is assuming that Desmond is dead!!?!

Although i hate the guy and ill be happy if he is dead but i dont think he is, he just fell on the ground. Besides, the story was never about Desmond, Desmond is just a TOOL and as Juno said at the end, he played his role perfectly and i will be very grateful if he is gone for good so we can at least move on from this boring character to a new one, maybe subject 18 or whatever.

I agree with the comment about first 4 sequences in AC3 though, they are very boring and to me it was waste of time playing with some1 you dont really care about, so basically you start playing with connor at sequence 6 as an ASSASSIN although the game is centralized on him which doesnt make any sense. and NO i dont need to play 4 sequences to know his history, one sequence would be more than enough. there are tons of things to do in the next 6 sequences with Connor which gave fair amount of gameplay with him, but still i'd rather have him in the first beginning instead of mid-game.

AC1, yah it was great and altair should stay there and no more of him.
AC2 and ACB: best in the series especially AC2.
ACR: Crap (Comparing it to others) and you feel it was made just to fill in 2011 year with an AC title between ACB and AC3.

AjinkyaParuleka
02-06-2013, 02:52 PM
Sorry AC3 Fans But I am so disapointed with this game over the other AC games,this one might have won awards for best movie and music but iI buy games
because they are fun and this one was NOT FUN. Yes it was a challenge but everything that was fun about the other ac games was missing or made to
difficult to do, simple things like climbing a tree for a veiw point which I coulndnt do, or unlocking a chest which I could not do,or have buisnesses to earn
money so you can buy weapons wich I could not do for lack of money, or have lots of places to go to buy those weapons which we didnt have .
I mean good grief guys the game is suposed to be fun not a acadamy award winner this game was hard to put up with i was so happy to get it done !!!!
All my other ac games I have played over and over again this piece of C____P will go on the shelf and never be played again.
If this is the sign of things to come this will be the last of your ac games I will buy , this was not a fun game to play (http://forums.ubi.com/#), put back the fun things that are easy
to do along with a challenge or to and some good music and a good movie and put out a better game please This One WAS BAD .

Papa Guns
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions I liked all the ac games till NOWhttp://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20120411.419/images/smilies/frown.png
This game sucks for you because you can't climb a tree(common sense),pick a **** lock(common sense),you didn't pay attention to the economy system.
You hunt animals,sell their parts of money,and if you are refering to cities,Boston and New York are enough and there are 2+ towns in The Frontier.
And this game is 5 times fun than other titles....

Sanctus91
02-06-2013, 04:02 PM
my review of the game
i played the pc version:

-bad port - low fps
-unappealing visuals - good graphics
-boring main character
-worst ending
-useless items - i finished the game not changing any weapon

+Great voice acting
+Sea battles are very fun
+Very well written dialog
+Again great graphics but boring visuals
+Great secondary characters ( Connors father,Achilles,Charles Lee)

~They should have based the game on Connor's father he is far more interesting and charming
~The game should have taken place during the French revolution
~The game should have a PROPER ending, i hoped this was the last one but no,the series started going down with revelations and AC3 is worst + Ubisoft hyped the game way too much

CKKEL
02-06-2013, 09:41 PM
Yeah, ACR indeed sucks. And about Desmond, I'm assuming that he's dead because he was literally toasted, and the new director (executive director, or creative director ) said that his history has to come to an end, because he "feels" the AC franchise like Star Trek Universe, more precisely, to the new generation part. (you can google that). For me, his opinion means nothing, because he didn't create this franchise, and it's ridiculous this analogy to Star Trek. Patrice should return, because he was ther at least at the beginning of ACB (which story originally belongs to AC2 story, but Rome was a big city to build, that they decide to let to ACB), but ACB needed to be the last one with Ezio. They didn't need Revelations, that really was a crap. And the story, yes, was about Desmond. Orignally at first, 'cause Patrice Désilets himself stated this (and you can also copy and paste on google search bar, and you'll find. I think he said that on the Dev Diares of AC1 or AC2.)

Mostly, I agree with you, YAZ_H.

CKKEL
02-06-2013, 09:42 PM
I agree with you as well Sanctus 91. I've played on PC as well. And was hoping so much more.

CKKEL
02-06-2013, 09:51 PM
And Papa_479, I do not agree with you about the difficult of the game. For was a little more hard, no too hard to play. In fact, it was pretty easy, but also was really boring indeed. I agree with Sanctus, Yaz, and you Papa in many aspects. The ending was a ridiculous, it was not funny to play the game at many parts of it (but not all ). The motives of the character was indeed great, but him, dind't got near of both Altair and Ezio. Really, AC3 is the last one game of Assassin's Creed that I'll buy. I was frustraded with Revelations and with this one, I was really disappointed as many of you and others was as well. All the elements that were fun in the franchise, and MANY IMPORTANT CARACTERISTICS of both STORY AND GAMEPLAY THAT WAS SO GOOD AND IMPROVED ON AC2 AND ACB, WERE NOT FOUND IN AC3.

Assassin_M
02-07-2013, 02:59 AM
IMPORTANT CARACTERISTICS of both STORY AND GAMEPLAY THAT WAS SO GOOD AND IMPROVED ON AC2 AND ACB, WERE NOT FOUND IN AC3.

didnt find any of the "improvements" you mention in either story or gameplay in AC II or ACB...

Lupercus50
02-07-2013, 06:14 AM
those with the tree viewpoint problem, it had me stumped(pun intended), but it's not as simple as jumping from branch to branch, there are three branches you have to swing on in succession, this is where I got stuck every time until I eventually noticed those branches.

CKKEL
02-07-2013, 06:08 PM
Yeah? Really Assassin_M ? Why don't play with more attention next time? In AC 2 you have the economic system (you can buy upgrades for your clothes, armor, weapons, pouches, e etc). You can hire factions to distract guards. You can Assassinate from ledges, from above just by selecting your target, you can assassinate from blend spots. You can upgrade your Assassin's Fort (Villa Auditore). You can climb faster than AC 1. You can swim. You can walk with your eagle vision (impossible to do it in AC1.) You can blend in every crowd not just monks. Your hidden blade (blades) have the value of a weapon. On ACB you have apprentices and you can train them and call them upon combat whenever you like. In ACB also you had Crossbow, Killin Streak combat, parachutes and more. You can buy buildings and stores. I'm not saying that AC 2 and ACB (just a expansion of AC 2 for me ) are better games than AC1. I still think AC 1 and Altair the best, but in terms of game and fun playing, AC2 and ACB are much more better and enjoyable.

Assassin_M
02-07-2013, 08:23 PM
Yeah? Really Assassin_M ? Why don't play with more attention next time? In AC 2 you have the economic system (you can buy upgrades for your clothes, armor, weapons, pouches, e etc). You can hire factions to distract guards. You can Assassinate from ledges, from above just by selecting your target, you can assassinate from blend spots. You can upgrade your Assassin's Fort (Villa Auditore). You can climb faster than AC 1. You can swim. You can walk with your eagle vision (impossible to do it in AC1.) You can blend in every crowd not just monks. Your hidden blade (blades) have the value of a weapon. On ACB you have apprentices and you can train them and call them upon combat whenever you like. In ACB also you had Crossbow, Killin Streak combat, parachutes and more. You can buy buildings and stores. I'm not saying that AC 2 and ACB (just a expansion of AC 2 for me ) are better games than AC1. I still think AC 1 and Altair the best, but in terms of game and fun playing, AC2 and ACB are much more better and enjoyable.
I finished AC II over 70 times and ACB over 60 times. So thank you for the advice, but I`m sure I payed attention.

I hated the AC II economic system. It was stagnant and not really dynamic. Just spend spend spend spend on things that really do not matter. Armor ?? I never bought Armor, because the game never MAKE me buy armor, It was easy as ****. Weapons ? Same reason. Pouches ? Again same reason...I only bought these things to complete my collection in the Villa.

Factions...OK.

You can assassinate from ledges in AC I too. Assassinate from hide spots....OK.

Upgrading my fort....OK

Climbing faster does not count as an upgrade in my book. For you perhaps, but not for me...

Walking with Eagle vision, again, is not really an Upgrade for me...for you perhaps, but definitely not me..

It`s still the idea of blending. I actually thought it became too easy that way...

I prefer ACB over AC II, because of a few upgrades, but just so you know....AC II is my least favorite game of the series with ACB coming second least..They may have been "more better" and enjoyable for you, but not for me i`m afraid......

for me, AC I was the most enjoyable, most fun and over all better game....

CKKEL
02-08-2013, 02:21 AM
AC I is also my favorite game Assassin_M. I'm just pointed the "upgrades" on the original formula.

Veggry
02-08-2013, 02:25 AM
Thank you Ubisoft ,for ruining once the best single game

Assassin_M
02-08-2013, 02:54 AM
AC I is also my favorite game Assassin_M. I'm just pointed the "upgrades" on the original formula.
They`re additions I did not like actually.....I would rather have upgrades to the innovative investigation system, but no....they totally scrapped that along with the freedom in assassinations

CKKEL
02-09-2013, 04:46 AM
yeah...in AC1 had a lot of freedom. You could assassinate your targets in many ways and like a pro assassins. That was the fun. You were an Assassin. And not a man that goes out shooting and killing everyone on the front door. I know what you meant Assassin_M, and I totally agree. The story of the first one was the better, but I think, that the franchise died in Revelations. Until Brotherhood, it was cool. Not great like the first one and Altair, but was cool;

CKKEL
02-09-2013, 04:47 AM
and the first one was not a game. It was so good that you reallly felt like reliving the memory of Altair. You felt like you were there. It was a experience indeed. The others, just games.

Assassin_M
02-09-2013, 05:08 AM
^ believe me I agree with you. For me, the best formula was AC I`s. it had a perfect combination of Game design, play styles and Story....It was just so good and it never felt the least bit repetitive...

YazX_
02-09-2013, 10:47 AM
Guys chill, its a matter of taste, most of the community not only PC voted for AC2, for me AC2 and ACB (expansion for AC2 as well) were the best, AC2 for the story, ACB for expansions and additions like fight system enhancement, assassins recruits,.. . AC1 was good to kick off the series but lacked alot of things, even the fight system is dumb and boring. but again for 1st AC game it was EPIC, but going back to it now, its not that catching.

For me AC3 wins by game mechanics and enhancements -aside from bugs and glitches- like tree climbing, corner cover, Naval,weather system, graphics,fight system.... but story and character are boring and not interesting at all, in addition to music which is to me a huge downgrade from Kyd's ones.

Anyway, its a matter of taste, each one has his own opinion and we will keep arguing all the time which one is the better, but one thing all agree on, its not definitely ACR nor AC3 and this is the only thing that matters.

Ferrith
02-09-2013, 02:58 PM
AC II and AC:B were very interesting and had amazing reproduction of Italian cities, but my heart lies with Altair and AC I. Its story and music have been the best for me. Even the fact there were no fast travel points, but you had to pass through the enemy lines to reach your destination, made the story more real. One small mistake and you would have a whole camp running after you.

Assassin_M
02-09-2013, 11:58 PM
Guys chill, its a matter of taste, most of the community not only PC voted for AC2, for me AC2 and ACB (expansion for AC2 as well) were the best, AC2 for the story, ACB for expansions and additions like fight system enhancement, assassins recruits,.. . AC1 was good to kick off the series but lacked alot of things, even the fight system is dumb and boring. but again for 1st AC game it was EPIC, but going back to it now, its not that catching.

For me AC3 wins by game mechanics and enhancements -aside from bugs and glitches- like tree climbing, corner cover, Naval,weather system, graphics,fight system.... but story and character are boring and not interesting at all, in addition to music which is to me a huge downgrade from Kyd's ones.

Anyway, its a matter of taste, each one has his own opinion and we will keep arguing all the time which one is the better, but one thing all agree on, its not definitely ACR nor AC3 and this is the only thing that matters.
You just contradicted yourself by saying it`s a matter of opinion, then saying that "we can all agree" that the best are definitely not AC III or ACR...Well done, sir..

For me, AC III is the best, how about that ?? And btw, most of the console forum voted for AC III as the best in the series, so that little bit about "voting AC II as the best" is moot...

Perk5
02-10-2013, 06:04 AM
For me, AC2 and Brotherhood were the best. Revelations was alright. Same with AC1. AC3 was just a disaster. Boring characters, lame story, far too many cutscenes, severe performance issues (especially on PC, that still haven't been patched). I replayed AC2 after playing AC3 and the difference in quality is just dramatic. In my opinion, they're leagues apart.

In summary, AC2 > Brotherhood > AC1 > Revelations > AC3

Assassin_M
02-10-2013, 09:36 AM
For me, AC II and ACB had extremely simplistic and uninspired stories that seemed so one dimensional. AC II had no character progression whatsoever for Ezio except at the very end and the entire cast of characters, except maybe for Leo, Mario and Machiavelli, was boring and lame. The combat was extremely dull too and lacked the faster pace of AC I. AC II was nothing but pretty buildings and amazing soundtrack in my opinion..

ACB is slightly better than AC II for me, it improved the combat (though still easy as ****), improved the graphics and had a slightly better story than AC II.

AC III > ACI & ACR > ACB > 500 meters of dirt > AC II

for me

Sanctus91
02-10-2013, 02:51 PM
for me AC:B>AC II > AC1> ACIII even the book Assassins creed forsaken is better than the AC III Connor will never be as funny,charming and full of personality like Ezio

Lupercus50
02-10-2013, 03:36 PM
for me AC:B>AC II > AC1> ACIII even the book Assassins creed forsaken is better than the AC III "Connor will never be as funny,charming and full of personality like Ezio"
Maybe because Connor is NOT Ezio, they are different personalities, just the same as Ezio is not Altair, most liked Ezio only because he was a typical smooth talking swash buckling rogue hero, nearly everybody wants to be one, but that's not what the story is about, it's about things so much bigger than any of the assassins.

Razrback16
02-10-2013, 05:24 PM
for me AC:B>AC II > AC1> ACIII even the book Assassins creed forsaken is better than the AC III Connor will never be as funny,charming and full of personality like Ezio

Agree 100% on your order. AC3 had a lot of shortcomings IMO. Definitely the worst game for me.

Sanctus91
02-11-2013, 11:06 AM
Its not about different personality or plot in Connors case it is the way he interacts with the characters,story how he speaks that where he fails as a character besides his design his personality is too introverted, Raziel in Legacy of Kain did the lonely personality perfectly and he is an undead vampire

CKKEL
02-11-2013, 08:48 PM
Agreed with Ferrith. Realism on the first one was far more greater than the others. But, yeah yeah, everyone has the opinion. But the point of this thread, was showing Ubisoft, that, not everyone LOVED and LIKED their games, specially, the two final chapters of AC (Revelations and ACIII), because you guys have to admit, they say things of the game on the dev diares and on E3, and after the game lauch, that in most of cases, that are all lies and most of things that are shown or spoked of, was not delivered to us.

I don't think we must accept every thing that they push us. If we get "loud" enough, perhaps we can reach something out, for in the future, we couldhave better and quality games. And another thing, is that they simply forgot about the story and changed the plot of AC a lot. They didn't care about the fans. ACIII may have great graphics and gameplay, I think that in this topic, we all agree with. But what's the point of having this amazing game play, scenario, changes in weather, graphics and others things, if you don't conclued the story as it has been meant to be concluded? I don't know what happened, but it was not good for the franchise.

Assassin_M
02-11-2013, 11:00 PM
Agreed with Ferrith. Realism on the first one was far more greater than the others. But, yeah yeah, everyone has the opinion. But the point of this thread, was showing Ubisoft, that, not everyone LOVED and LIKED their games, specially, the two final chapters of AC (Revelations and ACIII), because you guys have to admit, they say things of the game on the dev diares and on E3, and after the game lauch, that in most of cases, that are all lies and most of things that are shown or spoked of, was not delivered to us.

I don't think we must accept every thing that they push us. If we get "loud" enough, perhaps we can reach something out, for in the future, we couldhave better and quality games. And another thing, is that they simply forgot about the story and changed the plot of AC a lot. They didn't care about the fans. ACIII may have great graphics and gameplay, I think that in this topic, we all agree with. But what's the point of having this amazing game play, scenario, changes in weather, graphics and others things, if you don't conclued the story as it has been meant to be concluded? I don't know what happened, but it was not good for the franchise.
Only things I was promised and did not get were Random events and Canoes and I complained about those a lot. Made a thread, posted in feedback...etc. everything else ?? I, only representing my self, got that. A great story, a great character, technical achievement, vast world and marvelous innovation...I never accepted anything thrown at me...I hated AC II and ACB.

I don't see how they changed the plot of AC...a few minor things have, but the main plot ? I didn't see any change....We`ll never know what they intended for the story....you simply assuming is just not enough...We had a conclusion, don't like it ? fine...just don't go around parading that "it was not supposed to be this way" because, I`m sorry, but....You just don't know...no one but the devs does...

Also....


But the point of this thread, was showing Ubisoft, that, not everyone LOVED and LIKED their games,
I`m sorry, but I just couldn't resist.....You really think they don't know ?? anyone reading this would just go "You don't say ??" xD I`m sorry, but it`s too obvious to just ignore...Not everyone liked AC I, not everyone liked AC II, not everyone liked ACB, not everyone liked ACR and not everyone liked AC III...and don't tell me this was more than that...there are many elements to consider that it`s simply impossible to concretely determine....

bveUSbve
02-12-2013, 08:15 AM
@Assassin_M:

Of course didn't everyone like ACII or 'Brotherhood' that much; some preferred ACI. What matters in the end are the relations between the percentage of players who liked or disliked each game.

How can you find out about those? Make a poll, for example. This has probably been done already. Where is a link to one so that I - and others late to the discussion - can participate? Personal evidence indicates that a significant number of fans consider ACI the best game of the series. On the other hand obviously ACI hadn't the best "critical" reception. Whereas ACII was perceived widely as the (much) more enjoyable, "better" game. This corresponds with an even bigger commercial success of ACII.

So who is right: Fans of ACI or Fans of ACII? Make a poll... in which ALL vote who ever played these games...

Again speaking from personal experience, to me it seems that criticism has much increased since 'Revelations' and now ACIII. Some players liked them better than their predecessors, as is always the case with these things, but by my anecdotal evidence I dare to say that clearly a significant higher percentage was severely dissatisfied with both games, and especially with ACIII.

Threads like this one are another means to find out about what "other" players think about certain aspects. And they try to communicate the dissatisfaction to the developers. Both are legitimate purposes.

Assassin_M
02-12-2013, 08:41 AM
@Assassin_M:

Of course didn't everyone like ACII or 'Brotherhood' that much; some preferred ACI. What matters in the end are the relations between the percentage of players who liked or disliked each game.

How can you find out about those? Make a poll, for example. This has probably been done already. Where is a link to one so that I - and others late to the discussion - can participate? Personal evidence indicates that a significant number of fans consider ACI the best game of the series. On the other hand obviously ACI hadn't the best "critical" reception. Whereas ACII was perceived widely as the (much) more enjoyable, "better" game. This corresponds with an even bigger commercial success of ACII.

So who is right: Fans of ACI or Fans of ACII? Make a poll... in which ALL vote who ever played these games...

Again speaking from personal experience, to me it seems that criticism has much increased since 'Revelations' and now ACIII. Some players liked them better than their predecessors, as is always the case with these things, but by my anecdotal evidence I dare to say that clearly a significant higher percentage was severely dissatisfied with both games, and especially with ACIII.

Threads like this one are another means to find out about what "other" players think about certain aspects. And they try to communicate the dissatisfaction to the developers. Both are legitimate purposes.
A poll was recently made here about which game members prefer and AC III won....But it`s a poll on the internet representing a small part of the general community...

And actually, AC III is the most successful commercially, not AC II...Like I said, a community cannot claim to speak for EVERYONE...I`v yet to meet someone who did not like AC III....you probably met many who hated it, but that`s the point...we`ll never get a conclusive answer, the ideal thing to do is to avoid generalization and have each member exclusively speak for him or herself...

Here`s a Poll from GameFAQs: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/621797-assassins-creed-iii/64537189
And Another Poll from the same site: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/621796-assassins-creed-iii/65067749

See what I mean ? It does not work..I`m not against anyone complaining, absolutely. I complained about AC III everywhere and I did it as much as I can. i`m simply against generalization. Saying everyone liked AC III because only you did or saying that everyone hated AC III because only you did...You cannot perform a large scale reception of a Video game...like I said, there are various elements to consider..

Sanctus91
02-12-2013, 04:34 PM
They messed up the multyplayer storyline also , they started with ACB about training templars and ACR multy last story cutscene was about sending them after W.Miles but in AC 3 there is nothing about the templar training plot , we get a animus "home" edition/console story so to speak

bveUSbve
02-13-2013, 09:26 AM
And actually, AC III is the most successful commercially, not AC II...
Well, I was talking about the comparison ACI to ACII initially. I know that ACIII apparently is the biggest commercial success in the series to date.

But I'm not convinced that the same percentage of people who actually completed the game - for which they HAD TO buy it first - is satisfied with the experience as has been with ACII. Anecdotal evidence seems to suggest otherwise.

Anyhow, I personally have decided to not give Ubisoft the benefit of the doubt with the next AC game. Revelations was disappointing (for me). ACIII is even more so, due to several poor (from my point of view) design choices and a rushed release, as it seems. So I won't buy any upcoming AC at release, but wait several months till it is decently patched and significantly reduced in price.

But it may well be the case that Ubisoft just re-directed the franchise to be more successful than ever - by attracting people on the long term who ignored AC before. Then it won't matter for them if they lose "some" fans of old like me...

Assassin_M
02-13-2013, 09:47 AM
Well, I was talking about the comparison ACI to ACII initially. I know that ACIII apparently is the biggest commercial success in the series to date.

But I'm not convinced that the same percentage of people who actually completed the game - for which they HAD TO buy it first - is satisfied with the experience as has been with ACII. Anecdotal evidence seems to suggest otherwise.

Anyhow, I personally have decided to not give Ubisoft the benefit of the doubt with the next AC game. Revelations was disappointing (for me). ACIII is even more so, due to several poor (from my point of view) design choices and a rushed release, as it seems. So I won't buy any upcoming AC at release, but wait several months till it is decently patched and significantly reduced in price.

But it may well be the case that Ubisoft just re-directed the franchise to be more successful than ever - by attracting people on the long term who ignored AC before. Then it won't matter for them if they lose "some" fans of old like me...
I completely understand your plight....No disagreement or argument from me..

pirate1802
02-13-2013, 10:15 AM
In my humble opinion OP:

- The first three sequences aren't only tutorials. They serve a purpose in the story. Dunno why they only see it as a tutorial. I'd say kudos to whoever decided to make the "long tutorial".

- Newcomers shouldn't be spoon fed. If they wish to know more they should play the earlier titles. I actually have always respected AC for not bending over backwards to accommodate new fans.

- Connor's story, for me, was better than anywhere Ezio/Altair's could reach.. but all that's subjective. I can see hwy someone would consider Connor's story inferior.

- Desmond's death didn't perturb me that much but then I was not a big fan of him anyway. But he did deserve a better finale. I'm more concerned with how they portrayed his death than the fact that he died. People die all the time in AC, its a pretty grim series. Nothing unusual.

- The modern day parts were the worst aspects of AC III IMO (except the skyscraper). They were short, stupid, and generally bad. I too, expected a lot ore of the confrontation with Vidic and Cross. But I understand the developer's dilemma. They can't make the modern-day parts sufficiently unique without making the a splinter cell/GTA clone. My advice to the for the next game would be either improve the or chuck the out altogether. They distracted me from the overall experience.

- Yes the modern-day story changed its direction but I'm actually happy with it. Now I'm interested in it compared to the cartoonish 2012 apocalypse plot they had earlier. At the end of the day its their story, they can do whatever the hell they want with it. We aren't writing the story, they are.

- And finally about a DLC changing the ending, sorry but no. Like I said, I'm not terribly unhappy with the ending, just its execution. There are people who like the ending, unbelievable as it sounds, what about them? Anyway, telling people to change their work because I think its crap.. can't agree with that. No matter how crap I think their work may be, they are entitled to stand by their work. As are we to vote with our wallet. lets do that instead of writing angry letters to directors to change their movies because I didn't happen to like it.

pirate1802
02-13-2013, 10:34 AM
AC III wasn't the *great* game everyone expected based on Ubisoft's advertisement. So, let it die, and Desmond with it. He has nothing more to offer anyway.

Agreed. Time for the bartender to rest and someone else to take the spotlight, with, hopefully a lot more personality than Desmond.

CKKEL
02-14-2013, 02:11 AM
Yeah, but this is your opinion pirate1802. I have mine, like everyone here and in everywhere. Like I said, i bought the game because I was a big fan of the franchise since the beginning and I got the conclusion that I was (like many others fans) "misguided". All things that they promised about the modern days story, was not delivered as I stated from the very beginning. I don't think Desmond was SUCH A CARACTHER like Ezio and Altair or even Connor, but he was the one that we played since the beginning and if it was not for him, we couldn't ever play as Altair, Ezio o Connor. He was the key of these ancestors. He was the one that carried their memories, allowing us as players to relive this memories. I prefer a DLC changing the final, but it could be like you said. Desmond deserved more. He can die, but if this is to be his last stand, then he could die fighting or doing something else more epic and not "killing himself" f. This thing of "the hero sacrifice" is a cliche already. He could die for a greater good, since he dies fighting or in action but not literally suiciding himself. This is my opinion. And did this thread to everyone put their opinion as well.

CKKEL
02-14-2013, 02:29 AM
And Assassin_m, you're right at some points and wrong in anothers. I agree with you at some parts, and of course in others I disagree. I really don't know what they intend to, but, my interpretation of the game could be, it's not wrong completly as I know many others share my opinion. I'm not a hater of AC. I just felt, I don't know, they kind lost their affection of the franchise. I think at some point, this franchise was so great, that they forgot about the passion of making a great game that they and their fans loved and all started to turn around making money only. Of course, game is meant to make money, but if you love what you do, things get a little better. I felt that in AC3 and Revelations, was lacking something. The story was lacking somehow. Everything in the game, inspite it funs and enjooyble great moments, was rush and rush. Because if you count, the story itself don't take much space in the game. The secondary stuff that count. So that's my opinion. The story still have many "holes" lefted open or deserved to be better explained, but it did the job. The game is done, I cannot change nothing, no one can. I posted the first post and thread, because I was very disappointed with all this situation and another things. But again, I don't regret, because in anothers posts, I highlighted the good points of AC III as well. You have your opinion, I have mine. No one is right. I just wrote what I was felling at the moment. This is a thread open to discussion until it sees it's end. You can post whatever you like, and when I have the time, I'll answer with great curiosity and interest, but I'll not change my point of view as I expect nobody here does.

Assassin_M
02-14-2013, 02:56 AM
And Assassin_m, you're right at some points and wrong in anothers. I agree with you at some parts, and of course in others I disagree. I really don't know what they intend to, but, my interpretation of the game could be, it's not wrong completly as I know many others share my opinion. I'm not a hater of AC. I just felt, I don't know, they kind lost their affection of the franchise. I think at some point, this franchise was so great, that they forgot about the passion of making a great game that they and their fans loved and all started to turn around making money only. Of course, game is meant to make money, but if you love what you do, things get a little better. I felt that in AC3 and Revelations, was lacking something. The story was lacking somehow. Everything in the game, inspite it funs and enjooyble great moments, was rush and rush. Because if you count, the story itself don't take much space in the game. The secondary stuff that count. So that's my opinion. The story still have many "holes" lefted open or deserved to be better explained, but it did the job. The game is done, I cannot change nothing, no one can. I posted the first post and thread, because I was very disappointed with all this situation and another things. But again, I don't regret, because in anothers posts, I highlighted the good points of AC III as well. You have your opinion, I have mine. No one is right. I just wrote what I was felling at the moment. This is a thread open to discussion until it sees it's end. You can post whatever you like, and when I have the time, I'll answer with great curiosity and interest, but I'll not change my point of view as I expect nobody here does.
I don't think I said or made any wrong points....I said some facts and then stated my Opinion and neither is wrong, also, yes....no one is right, but no one is wrong either...

Assassin_M
02-14-2013, 07:42 AM
I prefer a DLC changing the final
Which is silly. Its fine if you hated the ending. do not demand changing it...

silly is not an insult, by the way...sayin` this to all the over sensitive humans..