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BaylorMax
02-09-2004, 11:03 AM
On the German site Ubi is announcing a flyable Spitfire Mark 5b for the expansion pack. They also state that the pack will be out March 11.

I know my German is rusty, but this seems to be what Ubi is announcing! http://www.il2sturmovik.de/ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BaylorMax
02-09-2004, 11:03 AM
On the German site Ubi is announcing a flyable Spitfire Mark 5b for the expansion pack. They also state that the pack will be out March 11.

I know my German is rusty, but this seems to be what Ubi is announcing! http://www.il2sturmovik.de/ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Endy1
02-09-2004, 11:08 AM
Great, thanks for the heads-up


Tally-ho

Dave

repco
02-09-2004, 11:12 AM
Excellent http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thanks BaylorMax

BSS_Goat
02-09-2004, 11:14 AM
What's a SPITFIRE?

repco
02-09-2004, 11:17 AM
Here you go rhett <http://www.triumphspitfire.com/images/quiz/spitman.jpg>

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Zen--
02-09-2004, 11:19 AM
For all you Spit fans, I am glad.

S!!

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BSS_Goat
02-09-2004, 11:24 AM
Looks like a Yak to me. Ya'll like that thing?

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JorBR
02-09-2004, 11:36 AM
Why always the germans first? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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crazyivan1970
02-09-2004, 11:42 AM
I can see some nice BOB COOPs coming our way...sweet. BTW Relase of the Spitfire was never questionable... Spit-9 variants were under big question mark... but 5 was a go. Not sure why idea of Spit not being in addon ever came up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JV44Rall
02-09-2004, 11:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhett69:
What's a SPITFIRE?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a British plane which in RL performed much like a FB Hurricane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bearcat99
02-09-2004, 11:47 AM
March 11....my son's birthday...... cool

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02-09-2004, 12:17 PM
Bear:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>March 11....my son's birthday...... cool<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>er...June. Addon not birthday.

HAHA....Bear http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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biggs222
02-09-2004, 01:45 PM
hahaha June hahahaah ..hahah.....ha.... ur joking right?

VW-IceFire
02-09-2004, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JV44Rall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhett69:
What's a SPITFIRE?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a British plane which in RL performed much like a FB Hurricane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's a huge giant wink http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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crazyivan1970
02-09-2004, 01:59 PM
LOL Ice...good one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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aerick2
02-09-2004, 03:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhett69:
Looks like a Yak to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BLASPHEMY!!

RedDeth
02-09-2004, 08:57 PM
spit V cant hang in the unlimited df servers. its an early year plane basically. you need the spit IX to be competitive with LA7s K4s doras p38s ta152s jugs stangs etc.

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AIRMIKEY
02-09-2004, 09:08 PM
Heyyyy , cool. March 11 is my birthday http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I hope thirty-seven is not considered too old o be flying flight sims..

Airmikey

DONB3397
02-09-2004, 09:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
spit V cant hang in the unlimited df servers. its an early year plane basically. you need the spit IX to be competitive with LA7s K4s doras p38s ta152s jugs stangs etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're right, of course. In fact, the V was basically obsolete by the middle of '42. Until the IX comes along, we'll have to find friendly servers to survive, I suspect...those with time-related planesets.

Who knows? Maybe a few guys will learn to fly it well enough to be competitive any time. Can't be any worse than flying Mk1 Hurris against G-2s in the desert.

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Oso2323
02-09-2004, 09:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:
In fact, the V was basically obsolete by the middle of '42. Until the IX comes along, we'll have to find friendly servers to survive, I suspect...those with time-related planesets.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Middle of '42? Try September '41 - that's when the FW-190 first made it's appearance. Given that the Mk V first appeared at the beginning of the year, I'm always surprised that people call the Mk V. the most successful (and widely produced) variant. It was only competitive for 7-8 months! Even the "widely produced" moniker is misleading given that the basic Spit IX was produced as the Mk. XVI, and a modified version appeared as the Mk. VIII.

Still, I'm curious to see how the clipped wing variant stacks up against the FW-190a4.

VW-IceFire
02-09-2004, 09:43 PM
I suspect it'll be somewhat like taking a P-39N-1 or a Yak-1B or a Bf 109F-2 up against other late war aircraft in the free for all dogfight servers. It'll be fun to try but ultimately you'll need a IX late, XVI, or XIV to be really compeitive in those arenas. Still...there will be some good co-ops with the Mark V, FW190A-4's and Bf 109F-4's.

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WUAF_Badsight
02-09-2004, 09:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
spit V cant hang in the unlimited df servers. its an early year plane basically. you need the spit IX to be competitive with LA7s K4s doras p38s ta152s jugs stangs etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


like youd know

anyways most early planes can take the Mustang as it is now

it'll be a slaughter W/ teh Spit

Future-
02-10-2004, 01:25 AM
Lol, "why always the germans" - gimme a break! I could also have asked in the past "why always the americans". Especially when it came to game releases.

And now some of you guys are pissed that in this single case, we germans get all the nice infos first.

Consider this: better we get some info than noone! At least Ubi Germany sticks to the weekly dev updates... for some strange reason Ubi america obviously lost interest in giving out some solid info.

Spitwhiners, celebrate! The Mk Vb seems to be ready to go, and if you all pray daily, maybe you'll get the Mk IX or something like that too!

S!

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Rajvosa
02-10-2004, 01:40 AM
Who's "noone"? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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BlindHuck
02-10-2004, 01:49 AM
I'd really like a Spit XIV. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Contemperary of P-51D. Competitive with late war BadGuy stuff. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif YEAH!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif DAMMIT!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif A frickin' XIV!!!
O well. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Couldn't afford the gas for the Griffon, anyway. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Rajvosa
02-10-2004, 01:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlindHuck:
I'd really like a Spit XIV. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Contemperary of P-51D. Competitive with late war BadGuy stuff. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif YEAH!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif DAMMIT!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif A frickin' XIV!!!
O well. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Couldn't afford the gas for the Griffon, anyway. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"I race full real exclusively in IL2:The Forgotten Battles." - Mark Donohue<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ahem, contemporary of P-51D?

Mate, the P-51D would get all chewed up by the Mk XIV. Spit is superior in all performance cathegories, except in range. Speed, climb, acceleration, turn, armament... what else do you need?

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Bull-Dog.
02-10-2004, 03:18 AM
I hope it lives up to everyones expectations, us Brits need a decent A/C to fly on-line.

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ELEM
02-10-2004, 03:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bull-Dog.:
I hope it lives up to everyones expectations, us Brits need a decent A/C to fly on-line.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Speak for yourself. I'm a "Brit" but I prefer any of the "decent" Russian a/c to the Spit. Why does nationality have to to influence your prefered a/c type?

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

RedDeth
02-10-2004, 03:47 AM
badsight if you think stangs lose regularly to early year planes then you need to learn how to play F.B. cuz aint no way a stang will get beat by any of those or a spit five. stangs are tough nuts to crack if an ace is flying it. youll need a k4 or ki84 or a jug over 7500 meters to take down a stang.
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SpinSpinSugar
02-10-2004, 03:48 AM
It doesn't HAVE to ELEM, but in the majority of cases it does, and those views are just as valid as anyone else's. A LOT of UK players will have an affinity for the Spitfire, like they do for the Hurricane. I know I will, and do. I like flying the 109 too, presumably because I was brought up on Commando books and tales of the Battle of Britain. I'm sure if I were an American, I'd be salivating over the forthcoming P38 and would pay more attention to the P51 and P47 than I do at present. Such famous aircraft are in the national psyche.

Everyone enjoys different things about this simulator, having a great balance of nationalities represented in the planeset just means there's more choice and more potential historical matchups. Isn't that a good thing?

Cheers, SSS

AFJ_Skyghost
02-10-2004, 04:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
spit V cant hang in the unlimited df servers. its an early year plane basically. you need the spit IX to be competitive with LA7s K4s doras p38s ta152s jugs stangs etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


like youd know

anyways most early planes can take the Mustang as it is now

it'll be a slaughter W/ teh Spit<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 51 is my plane of choice since it's release ( I'm waiting for a decent Spitfire ) and since I learned how to fly it and take my pony of the deck to my usual altitude ( around 5000 metters) I really can't remember of being killed by an earlier year plane and I do recall to shoot down several of them.
To deal with a 51 in altitude you ll need at least an 1944 plane like the late models of the 109, 190 or, on higher altitudes a 47. At those altitudes even the La7 is easy meat.
And even so the 51 can give an hell of a match.
Of course the 51 sucks on the deck but if I like to fly so low I would get a tank sim and not an airplane one

Best Regards

ELEM
02-10-2004, 04:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Everyone enjoys different things about this simulator, having a great balance of nationalities represented in the planeset just means there's more choice and more potential historical matchups. Isn't that a good thing?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course it's a good thing,and I'm not saying it isn't. I'm not Spit knocking or denying any valid points of view. All I'm pointing out is I'm ONE Brit that is not waiting for the Spit. I will fly it when I get it just to see what it's like, but I'll quickly go back to my one true love, the I-16. I'd also like to see a/c from many other nations, Dutch, Czech, Hungarian... you name it. Vive la differance!

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

CH_D-Fender
02-10-2004, 04:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
you need the spit IX to be competitive with LA7s K4s doras p38s ta152s jugs stangs etc.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dream on !

For the La-7's, the K4's and the Ta152 you need
a Spit XIV. At least !

The IX could hang in with the 109ers (G-2) and
the Fw190 (A-4) at it's time (1942).

aerick2
02-10-2004, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Ahem, contemporary of P-51D?

Mate, the P-51D would get all chewed up by the Mk XIV. Spit is superior in all performance cathegories, except in range. Speed, climb, acceleration, turn, armament... what else do you need?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He said the Spit XIV was the CONTEMPORARY, not the EQUAL of the P-51D.

Rajvosa
02-10-2004, 07:37 AM
Yes, but he meant "contemporary" as in "equal".

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horseback
02-10-2004, 08:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oso2323:

Middle of '42? Try September '41 - that's when the FW-190 first made it's appearance. Given that the Mk V first appeared at the beginning of the year, I'm always surprised that people call the Mk V. the most successful (and widely produced) variant. It was only competitive for 7-8 months! Even the "widely produced" moniker is misleading given that the basic Spit IX was produced as the Mk. XVI, and a modified version appeared as the Mk. VIII.

Still, I'm curious to see how the clipped wing variant stacks up against the FW-190a4.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oso,

You should know better than to call the Mk VIII a "modified version" of anything, much less a MK IX, if you know that a Mk XVI is a Mk IX with a Packard Merlin.

The Mk VIII was the original planned 'next step up' from the Mk V, but when the FW showed up, MK VIII production was still a year away. At the same time, there was crying need for a high altitude capable version which became the MK VII, and that also took precedence over production of the VIII.

So they took the engines (Merlin 61s?) planned for the VIII and slapped them on MK Vc airframes, bent a bigger piece of metal for the cowling and gave it a 4 bladed prop, and created the most successful 'temporary solution' in aviation history, equipping the first Squadrons with MK IXs by late Spring 1942, although it was well into '43 before it equipped the majority of Spitfire squadrons.

The Mk VIII was actually designed to take the higher rated engines, and had a number of aerodynamic refinements, most of which eventually showed up on the IX, which continued in production side by side with the VIII. By most pilots' accounts, the MK VIII was the 'sweetest' flying Spitfire of them all.

Although it was relegated to the Med and Far East, the Mk VIII was the Spitfire that the MK IX was intended to be, not a "modified version."

Now as penance, I recommend that you write Dr. Alfred Price a letter of apology, and edit out all the tailwheels from all your pictures of Mk IXs in flight.

Cheers

horseback

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(FIN)-Cowboy
02-10-2004, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JorBR:
Why always the germans first? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because that's where the Spits flew first IRL too... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

horseback
02-10-2004, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Yes, but he meant "contemporary" as in "equal".

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

rajvosa,

'Contemporary' ONLY means that they existed or were developed at about the same time, not that they were equals. As in "Winston Churchill and Neville Chamberlain were contemporaries." Whatever you might think of Churchill, he and Chamberlain were not equals in terms of performance or accomplishment.

This is not intended as a flame; I simply want to cut down on misunderstandings. I read the same statement you did, and his meaning was clear to me, and correctly meant that the MKXIV was operational at the same time as the P-51D (both started operational use in May-June '44).

Cheers

horseback

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lrrp22
02-10-2004, 12:47 PM
Really? Apparently the RAF thought differently:
results of ADFU tactical trial, dated 15June44, between Spit XIV and Mustang III...

"Radius of Action
31. Without a long range tank, the Spitfire XIV has no endurance. With a 90 gallon long-range tank it has about half the range of the Mustang III fitted with 2 x 62 1/2 gallon long range tanks.

Maximum Speed
32. The maximum speed are practically identical.

Maximum Climb
33. The Spitfire XIV is very much better.

Dive
34. As for the Spitfire IX. The Mustang pulls away, but less markedly.

Turning Circle
35. The Spitfire XIV is better.

Rate of Roll
36. The advantage tends to be with the Spitfire XIV.

Conclusion
37. With the exception of endurance no conclusions can be drawn, as these two aircraft should never be enemies. The choice is a matter of taste."

BTW you forgot to mention the Mustang's superiority in dive, zoom climb, and high speed roll and turn.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:

Ahem, contemporary of P-51D?

Mate, the P-51D would get all chewed up by the Mk XIV. Spit is superior in all performance cathegories, except in range. Speed, climb, acceleration, turn, armament... what else do you need?

http://stu.wccnet.org/~ecrnovrs/inp150/finalp/sarajevo1/images/sarajevo.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[This message was edited by lrrp22 on Tue February 10 2004 at 12:00 PM.]