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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:18 PM
It would be nice to have rockets available for the P-51. Is this in your plans at all for the final 1.2 patch?

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:18 PM
It would be nice to have rockets available for the P-51. Is this in your plans at all for the final 1.2 patch?

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:31 PM
I think your asking a bit too much, would be nice though hvar`s on the p-47 too

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:38 PM
I can certainly live without them but it would be a nice addition.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:49 PM
HVARs would be great. They're missing on P-51 and P-47 now. It would be missing on P-38s (IIRC we'll get 3 types of it) as well and that would be as nice as a whole Bf-109 series without SC250s.
But there are so many other loadouts missing like Panzerblitz II (F-8), R4Ms (D-9, Me-163B maybe when it comes?), WGr.21s (109G-6, G-10), several bombs, all stuff on 190D, 109F, Hurricane etc etc.

But AFAIK they recognized it already, and I hope we'll get a load of new and corrected (I'd just say Heinkel /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) loadouts in the pay addon. They should really take the time for modelling those. I could wait one month more for a proper arsenal. They're at least as important as the planes themselves.

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 03:02 AM
To me the P-51 is not even remotely a bomber so I am indifferent to the bomb loudouts. HVAR's would be much more useful and are historically accurate armaments for the Pony. I have a feeling it is going to be a no-go but it would be nice to see what Oleg has to say on the subject anyway.

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 03:26 AM
Also could the P-51 carry extra ammo like the p-39 & p47?
Any one? I'm a bad shot so i needs LOTS of Ammo! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 04:34 AM
I agree that extra ammo would be a nice addition as well.

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 04:51 AM
Just before Netwings went down today, Hammered posted some great pics of the Tempest with rocket loadout. Not sure if they are the same rocket type (or very close). I'm sure it'd be an easy modification. The thing is, the modeling for the rails would have to be done.

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 04:56 AM
Hello Guy's,

I jumping on the band wagon for Mustang loadout's! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif The Mustang did do more than "JUST" escorting in the ETO. Many strafing run's on German airfeild's,strafing run's on railroad's,etc. Bomb's and rocket's were used by the P-51D in Europe. I hope Oleg will add these loadout's for the Mustang.

2 x 250lbs Bombs
2 x 500lbs Bombs
2 x 1000lbs Bombs
2 x 75 Gal. Drop Tanks
6 x 5" Rockets
6 x 5" Rockets & 2 x 250lbs Bombs
10 x 5" Rockets
Extra Ammunition (Please!)

I personally feel that the P-51D would be boring to fly without any loadout's. I would like to go on starfing run's with bomb's and rocket's. Expecially on the Normady (did I spell like right?) map's. As for the HVAR's for the P-47,I think we could get them since they have been modelled for the Tempest. Hammerd posted screenshot's with the Tempest loadout's. Look's really bad a$$! But it's up to Oleg and crew wether or not we get them. I hope we get as much ordinance as possible. =S=



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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 06:10 AM
HVARS on WWII P51.

Show me a verifyable picture.

HVARS on P51's in Korea yes no worry, but I am yet to see a HVAR equipped P51 in WWII.



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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 06:19 AM
The HVAR (High Velocity Aircraft Rocket)
http://www.microworks.net/pacific/armament/rockets.htm

The HVAR sported a 5" rocket engine, to regain the velocity lost with the adaption of a five inch shell to a 3.5" engine; in the end it turned out even fast than the regular 3.5" rocket, which resulted in its designation as High-Velocity Aircraft Rocket, or HVAR

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/81888_500.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 08:12 AM
P-51D ammo loadout was 1880 rounds, that was it but seems to be more than plenty with new .50's . /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I would also love to see the HVAR's make a very much needed appearance in FB. Our Jug and Pony show just isn't the same without them. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 08:16 AM
Yep Lead splitter I Know what a HVAR is (In fact I have been intimate with one once http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Photo is 77SQN Mustang in Korea.

My point is the HVAR was not to my knowledge ever used by the P51 in WWII hence its incorpration in FB is not authentic.


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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 08:17 AM
I wouldn't put too much hope into that. Maybe with the Pay-AddOn next year. After all the Luftwaffe still lacks bomnbs bigger than 500kg and many loadout variants (especially late 190's) and all we got was a "Maybe with Pay Addon" ...

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 08:26 AM
HVARS were used on the P-51 and P-47 from late 44 on. Most use came during the Ardennes conflict.
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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 08:42 AM
If anyone want me to email them a picture I have of a P-51A with rocket tubes let me know.

Either PM me with an email address or post a message here. The Mustang is flying in the Pacific with No 1 Air Commando. It has the rocket tubes and a pair of 1000lb bombs (at least according to the caption.)

I also have a picture of a P-40 with the same rocket tubes mounted beneath the wings along with a drop tank. Rare stuff guys!

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 08:45 AM
Eagle

As I said before a verifiable photo of a WWII P51D with Hvars on would be a great help.

So far All I can find are Post WWII images and refrences to HVARS on P51's

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 08:49 AM
Sure thing I will see what I can dig up from the 9th AF.
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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 09:22 AM
Here's what I found so far, should I get some more?
http://www.boeing.com/history/bna/p51data.htm
For specifications, you can go to about 500 different sites all listing the same thing. But I trust Boeing. And here's a pic too, they are not the zero-lenght but they will do and if you want too I can find some zero-length as well I have seen them.
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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 09:36 AM
click on the link pacific its not from korea the reference says from 1945 japan on p51d's not p51ks in korea, where did you get korea from can you tell its korea from the ground in the picture lol, click on the link of the site

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 09:41 AM
Leadspitter.
Yep it was Japan. 77 SQN (RAAF) were in Japan post war, and stated their Korean duty from Japan.

I need an image of Operational; P51D/K with HVARS please.

Eagle.

Thanks these are the 4.5" rockets on the Bazooka type tube. Hvars are as per leadspitters post

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 09:47 AM
I know what HVARS are, I will find the pics of 9th AF P-51's using them, I just need to find them again I have seen them before. But you should check the link I posted as well, they are listed as a ordanance option for the P-51D. Zero-length ='s HVARS.
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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 10:10 AM
I agree with you Ivan. I have only seen the tubes on WWII P-51's and not HVAR. The P-38 along with a few other twin engine US aircraft like the A-26 used them, but no P-51 or P-47's I think. I do have the HVAR X-mas tree's modeled on the late L P-38 and the 6 rocket tubes on the J. The 10 rocket config was not used much because it required 10 differant firing circuts were the X-mas tree's only required two. If I remember, the HVAR was a lot more powerful then the rocket tubes. 60lb compaired to 120?

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Ivank wrote:
- Leadspitter.
- Yep it was Japan. 77 SQN (RAAF) were in Japan post
- war, and stated their Korean duty from Japan.
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- I need an image of Operational; P51D/K with HVARS
- please.
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- Eagle.
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- Thanks these are the 4.5" rockets on the Bazooka
- type tube. Hvars are as per leadspitters post
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- Ps=V(T-D)/W
- III/JG11_IvanK



No fancy quote or cool photo.... YET

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 10:28 AM
Leadspitter.

The source of the image is the Australian War Memorial.

When you trace it down the image details are:

ID Number: P01254.111
Physical description: Black & white
Summary: IWAKUNI, JAPAN. 1950-07. ARMAMENT PERSONNEL ARMING 5 INCH HIGH VELOCITY AIRCRAFT ROCKETS (HVARS) ON A MUSTANG AIRCRAFT OF NO 77 SQUADRON RAAF FOR AN OPERATIONAL MISSION OVER SOUTH KOREA. (DONOR: R.C. CRESSWELL)
Copyright: clear
Related subject: North American P51 Mustang; Rockets; Ammunition supply
Related unit: 77 Squadron RAAF
Related place: Iwakuni; Japan; Korea

Related conflict: Period 1950-1959

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Its Post war.

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 12:01 PM
As long as it moves horizontally from under the wing and blows up on impact I will be happy with it.

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:12 PM
"HVARS on WWII P51.

Show me a verifyable picture.

HVARS on P51's in Korea yes no worry, but I am yet to see a HVAR equipped P51 in WWII."


True. Never saw that for a WWII Mustang. Only in Korea.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:27 PM
To my modest knowledge only this type of rockets really operational for WWII Mustangs:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/338967/P-51Mustang29[Squadron).JPG


Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:33 PM
I was wrong:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/338967/NorthAmericanMustangP-51D_145.jpg


Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 10:21 PM
CHDT good image but any details on it esp date.

The gent in the back is wearing a very Japanese style cap not the usual US Base ball style cap.

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XyZspineZyX
11-12-2003, 09:13 AM
Bump for Oleg and a possible answer to the original question of the thread. The HVAR debate is interesing though.

XyZspineZyX
11-12-2003, 09:16 AM
Good job CHDT! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I have been pullin my hair out lookin for a pic, I knew I had seen some but they were rare.
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XyZspineZyX
11-12-2003, 10:53 AM
Oh boy and I found a definate and from the 332nd FG. Very cool I had no idea they ever used them. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
http://nasaui.ited.uidaho.edu/nasaspark/safety/history/tuskkitten.jpg
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I didn't notice this text next to it, oops my bad /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
"The P-51, Kitten, was piloted by Capt. Charles E. McGee of the 302nd FS,
332nd FG, during the Korean War. McGee was credited during World War II
with one FW 190 on August 24, 1944."
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Message Edited on 11/12/0309:58AM by Eagle_361st

XyZspineZyX
11-12-2003, 11:40 AM
"CHDT good image but any details on it esp date."


I found that pic on a site I can't find now anymore, but it was a site about a WWII USAAF squadron in the Pacific (the one with a snake as a badge).

Cheers,