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michapma
08-20-2004, 06:34 AM
Tried to post this last night, but the forum has been spazzed out last night (I lost the message) and this morning, so I had to actually recompose it and save it as a file... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif And today I find a two-page thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=947103516) on the Mig. So no, this is not meant as a spin-off thread. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

So the (most) current offline campaign I'm on right now has me transferred to fend off the Fascist Hun from Moskva and freshly trained in my new ride: the MiG-3ud! In my first mission I was assigned to navigate over 100km (despite the average route being set to 25km) and bomb a German depot in Vyazma with my two wingmen. We cruised at about 1500m, and a bit under full throttle and rpm in order to maintain a heat reserve. As we approach I give the hand signals to my wingmen to spread out and adopt a line astern formation. Just as the target area starts coming into sight in the distance, I notice four 109s in a shallow dive from 1 o'clock high, and they wheel around in an oblique vertical turn to pursue. I have the throttle as high as it goes and full rpm, straining every muscle to get to the target first. I do, see industry, head for oil containers but then spot the depot, and release bombs to knock out some cars. I'm not sure that 200kg trashing some cars is going to halt the German advance, but I had done my duty and hug the terrain in a gentle curve designed to keep up my speed. I race north without waiting on my wingmen, past the angry enemy airfield to the north of Vyazma, and fly under a bridge just for style. When I near the front lines I risk a gentle climb and turn east and then south. Dots and tracers: my wingmen are both engaged. I slowly climb above the clouds wait until they "remember" my briefing instructions not to engage enemy aircraft. (I use radio commands when I feel the pilots can read hand signals and when I think the command could correspond to pre-flight instructions.) They manage to ditch their opponents and we go on home.

Why didn't I engage? We were outnumbered, and I had inexperienced wingmen, whereas the enemy AI had demonstrated competence. Plus, I was in a new aircraft designed as a high-altitude interceptor, and I'm not too comfortable mixing it up with 109Es at low level in the MiG-3.

It just so happens that one of my mates in the 69.GIAP is quite handy with the MiG, even down low--he uses aggresive turning in an aircraft meant for speed. The MiG-3 is meant for speed and high altitudes, so I hopped into the QMB to try it out down low. I went up against an Average AI 109E-7 at 1500m on Moscow1. I tried out the turning first, and we were soon in a gradually descending nose-to-tail chase. The turn performance was about equal, him slooowly winning out, although I was using flaps, which probably didn't help my turn rate. As he won angle on me I decided it was time to reverse, and after a couple of maneuvers I stalled out into the forest 100m below. I found out I had had rockets strapped on me for that mission.

I set up another session, this time without rockets and with a Veteran wingman against two Veteran AI 109E-7s at 1000m on the Smolensk map. Quite a different result! I led my wingman to an early death by turning way to early on a lead turn, leaving myself to duke it out with two veterans... I didn't manage to shoot either of them down, but that's not the whole story! The fight was interesting. I had so much fun in that second QMB mission (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/tracks/MiG-3_sotheMiGsuckshuh2.04.zip) (68kB) that I decided to make it available for others to enjoy. It's not a critical success in terms of fighter tactics, and my poor gunnery skills shine through. It's recorded in TRK format, so you'll need AEP 2.04 to view it.

So far here's my impression about the MiG-3 in low-altitude fights. It is poorly armed (the early versions), may or may not take much damage (the famous flying matchstick, though I haven't experienced it yet), and sometimes seems sluggish, but she has excellent speed for a late-1941 fighter, accelerates well, responds nicely to the controls at a variety of speeds, handles very high angles of attack with grace and has an roll rate most any fighter would envy. It can't keep up with a maniacal AI rolling into a scissors, but still.

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michapma
08-20-2004, 06:34 AM
Tried to post this last night, but the forum has been spazzed out last night (I lost the message) and this morning, so I had to actually recompose it and save it as a file... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif And today I find a two-page thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=947103516) on the Mig. So no, this is not meant as a spin-off thread. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

So the (most) current offline campaign I'm on right now has me transferred to fend off the Fascist Hun from Moskva and freshly trained in my new ride: the MiG-3ud! In my first mission I was assigned to navigate over 100km (despite the average route being set to 25km) and bomb a German depot in Vyazma with my two wingmen. We cruised at about 1500m, and a bit under full throttle and rpm in order to maintain a heat reserve. As we approach I give the hand signals to my wingmen to spread out and adopt a line astern formation. Just as the target area starts coming into sight in the distance, I notice four 109s in a shallow dive from 1 o'clock high, and they wheel around in an oblique vertical turn to pursue. I have the throttle as high as it goes and full rpm, straining every muscle to get to the target first. I do, see industry, head for oil containers but then spot the depot, and release bombs to knock out some cars. I'm not sure that 200kg trashing some cars is going to halt the German advance, but I had done my duty and hug the terrain in a gentle curve designed to keep up my speed. I race north without waiting on my wingmen, past the angry enemy airfield to the north of Vyazma, and fly under a bridge just for style. When I near the front lines I risk a gentle climb and turn east and then south. Dots and tracers: my wingmen are both engaged. I slowly climb above the clouds wait until they "remember" my briefing instructions not to engage enemy aircraft. (I use radio commands when I feel the pilots can read hand signals and when I think the command could correspond to pre-flight instructions.) They manage to ditch their opponents and we go on home.

Why didn't I engage? We were outnumbered, and I had inexperienced wingmen, whereas the enemy AI had demonstrated competence. Plus, I was in a new aircraft designed as a high-altitude interceptor, and I'm not too comfortable mixing it up with 109Es at low level in the MiG-3.

It just so happens that one of my mates in the 69.GIAP is quite handy with the MiG, even down low--he uses aggresive turning in an aircraft meant for speed. The MiG-3 is meant for speed and high altitudes, so I hopped into the QMB to try it out down low. I went up against an Average AI 109E-7 at 1500m on Moscow1. I tried out the turning first, and we were soon in a gradually descending nose-to-tail chase. The turn performance was about equal, him slooowly winning out, although I was using flaps, which probably didn't help my turn rate. As he won angle on me I decided it was time to reverse, and after a couple of maneuvers I stalled out into the forest 100m below. I found out I had had rockets strapped on me for that mission.

I set up another session, this time without rockets and with a Veteran wingman against two Veteran AI 109E-7s at 1000m on the Smolensk map. Quite a different result! I led my wingman to an early death by turning way to early on a lead turn, leaving myself to duke it out with two veterans... I didn't manage to shoot either of them down, but that's not the whole story! The fight was interesting. I had so much fun in that second QMB mission (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/tracks/MiG-3_sotheMiGsuckshuh2.04.zip) (68kB) that I decided to make it available for others to enjoy. It's not a critical success in terms of fighter tactics, and my poor gunnery skills shine through. It's recorded in TRK format, so you'll need AEP 2.04 to view it.

So far here's my impression about the MiG-3 in low-altitude fights. It is poorly armed (the early versions), may or may not take much damage (the famous flying matchstick, though I haven't experienced it yet), and sometimes seems sluggish, but she has excellent speed for a late-1941 fighter, accelerates well, responds nicely to the controls at a variety of speeds, handles very high angles of attack with grace and has an roll rate most any fighter would envy. It can't keep up with a maniacal AI rolling into a scissors, but still.

Go MiG!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
08-20-2004, 06:44 AM
Once you realize it's strengths and weaknesses, the MiG-3 can be a capable fighter. It's speed is it's strongest asset IMO and the later models with the cannon can be the bane of the Axis scourge.

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baddshot
08-20-2004, 07:15 AM
dont know what it is bout that plane but i really like flying it - down low flaps seem to help me out for slow speed control and when turning slow been trying to keep nose high with slight climb seems to shake most - plane can make some moves that i havent been able to do in other planes - great roll rate - in its day i will take the mig - are there any squads that fly migs?

woofiedog
08-20-2004, 07:32 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gifAfter flying the Mig Series... I find the Me's and others the dogs of the Skies! [Early models]
After learning the Mig's weakness... you'll find it a pleasure to fly and it has pretty good Speed and Manuver.
The Armament is not bad... except in the first model.
And it's got a fairly good altitude... a lot better than the early Yak's.
Yep... I'll fly the Mig's anyday. My kind of Plane.
I almost forgot... Wide landing gear that's easy to land with... even on grass.

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WUAF_Badsight
08-20-2004, 08:08 AM
they are soooo fast

& their guns rox

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Kwiatos
08-20-2004, 08:12 AM
i wonder if real Mig 3 have such bad elevator at high speed like we have in fb?

michapma
08-20-2004, 08:42 AM
My MiG is too sexy for you all. Step back!

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LilHorse
08-20-2004, 08:48 AM
I rarely fly Red fighters. But the other night blue was overcrowded on GG and I decided "what the heck". The fighter choices were the MiG-3, La-5, and the Yak-9. I took the Yak, big mistake. I don't know what's happened to that ride since patches, if I remember correctly it used to be a decent turning plane (not great but OK). But the other night it handled like a slug. Wish I'd taken the MiG. Since you aren't gonna turn with it you can at least load it up with gunpods (on the UD I think) and BnZ. That's more my style of fighting anyway.

carguy_
08-20-2004, 09:12 AM
I like the Mig very much cuz it`s an VVS adopted B&Z plane,very much like late 109 although vastly outperformed.It has a VVS revi so high speed deflection shots are much better than in any LW plane.And those little green lasers are able to cut down pretty much everything,against Heinkels or B17 you can always mount two 12,7mm wonderful gunpods.

It is simply too good for Yak3 VVS pilots to fly.

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heywooood
08-20-2004, 06:44 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/mig-3.jpg

I like it... I built this one as a tribute to Oleg and 1c.... Trumpeter 1/32 scale

it was a very nice build.



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heywooood
08-20-2004, 07:00 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/migtopview.jpg

heres another view...I know its too big.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif I get that alot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

dont worry Lexx..I dont plan to weather it.



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huggy87
08-20-2004, 08:10 PM
Great looking model.

heywooood
08-20-2004, 08:19 PM
thanks, huggy... I love the Mig-3 now.


...I blame Oleg Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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WUAF_Badsight
08-20-2004, 08:38 PM
you paint that ?

because the colours on that model are nicely done

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LEXX_Luthor
08-20-2004, 08:51 PM
Outer wings may have been green from another plane still painted for summer and not red.

internet's largest, and only, MiG~3 website http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/


MiG pilot interview http://www.sovietwarplanes.com/Rybalko.htm

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heywooood
08-20-2004, 09:20 PM
Yes - I painted it Wuaf.. and i used Lexxs' Mig site as a reference tool - the green upper wings was surmised at only - based on b/w film and light values...and could not be confirmed on all - let alone any - of the Mig examples shown.

Besides... I like the red better, especially the deeper, darker red as a contrast to the insignia red, the white, and the blue. BtW - the color I used on both the upper (red) surfaces and the blue underside is a little extreme as I had intented to layer a few 'milk' coats over them as a weathering/ageing technique, but I decided I liked the brand new look too much.

Thank-you for your nice comments..as I say - this is really a kind of 'thank-you' to Oleg and Co. for giving me an opportunity to 'fly' this and other exceptional and unusual warbirds



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wojtek_m
08-20-2004, 10:57 PM
Superb model heywooood! What a sexy machine, a hotrod with wings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-Logos-

LEXX_Luthor
08-20-2004, 11:10 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif me too I prefer the red wings, looks more inspiring for the red side, but then I kinda am
intrigued by the idea of Soviets rebuilding air force as best they can cannibalizing other
planes. The green wings seems to give the flavour of the Desperate situation they were in
at the time.


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robban75
08-21-2004, 08:22 AM
Excellent build Heywood! I plan on building one myself! Trumpeter has really made possible for the 1/32 scale builders out there! The old Revell Corsair kit feels very outdated when compared to the new Trumpeter kit. The P-40 looks sweet also!
I'm currently working on Hasegawas excellent 1/32 Fw 190D-9. I have yet to open the boxes of my recently purchased Bf 198K-4 and Fw 190A-8. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Kwiatos
08-21-2004, 09:06 AM
Unfortunatel poor elevator at medium-high speed make Mig3 not good B&Z plane

1.JaVA_Hornet
08-21-2004, 09:18 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Great model!!

I had only make that blue some lighter.

Doc_Hollydayz
08-21-2004, 01:33 PM
Love the model http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif You obviously went to a lot of trouble, the finish is excellent. Mmm might have to dig out my paints and glue. Its been a while. For the past *&%$ years my interest in models has been limited to the pin up kind! At least this type you can actually hold without getting your face slapped! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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heywooood
08-21-2004, 03:23 PM
Java Hornet -

Yes the blue is a little strong, but as I said, I was planning to fade it back somewhat with a lighter wash in a new weathering/fade method I have worked out but after looking at it this way, I decided to leave it as is.

I might do one more Mig - wheels up this time - and weathered/faded more realistically. I don't usually do the gear down and like new finishes. I prefer to model these warbirds 'airborn' and in action. Parked aircraft are not as exciting to me.



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heywooood
08-21-2004, 03:28 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif me too I prefer the red wings, looks more inspiring for the red side, but then I kinda am
intrigued by the idea of Soviets rebuilding air force as best they can cannibalizing other
planes. The green wings seems to give the flavour of the Desperate situation they were in
at the time.

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Lexx - I agree with everthing you say above..
a very resilient breed, these Russians.

I thought a long time about using a coupla shades of green on those wings but...1c's default skins have red ones and as I intended this bird as a kind of thank-you to Oleg and Co. I went with red. It was a tough decision though, be sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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Copperhead310th
08-21-2004, 07:09 PM
I WANT THIS ON A SKIN!! GREAT PAINT WORK. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/migtopview.jpg

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heywooood
08-21-2004, 08:19 PM
this one (http://www.il2skins.com/?action=display&skinid=4117) is close...

ATS42 has some really good Mig-3 skins too.



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michapma
08-23-2004, 03:52 PM
Okay, Heywooood is allowed near my MiG-3, because he will not offend it. But he is not allowed in my threads anymore, that hijacker. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Sounds like good sig material... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Jasko76
08-24-2004, 01:23 AM
Nice skin Heywood! Actually, my very first model was a MiG-3... I did the same paintjob as you did with yours, only mine was in 1/72 scale... tiny!

Regards,

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cro31
08-24-2004, 12:34 PM
nice to see some mig3 lovers here!

we fly it since 1 year and we make formation flying! here are some screens

http://aerohighvoltage.free.fr/screenshoot/~nouveau_box.jpg

http://aerohighvoltage.free.fr/screenshoot/~diamond.jpg

http://aerohighvoltage.free.fr/screenshoot/~boucle_en_box2.jpg

http://aerohighvoltage.free.fr/screenshoot/~finale.jpg

http://aerohighvoltage.free.fr/screenshoot/~arrondi.jpg