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RedTerex
06-01-2004, 11:45 PM
I'm a little tired of seeing those screenshots of the ships at sea, sailing merrily along etc with not a soul on board. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

Realistic hmm not so. Empty gun emplacements, empty decks, deserted, abandoned Bow, Stern, port and Starboard areas all deserted of anyone what so ever. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

"Ghost ship flottilas !" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

And I fear that it might be too late into the development process of the game now to ask if there are going to be any sailors, crew etc modelled onto these ships..even static non-moving representations of them would be fine. Better I think than nobody at all.

Its like a fleet of Mary Celestes ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

RedTerex

RedTerex
06-01-2004, 11:45 PM
I'm a little tired of seeing those screenshots of the ships at sea, sailing merrily along etc with not a soul on board. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

Realistic hmm not so. Empty gun emplacements, empty decks, deserted, abandoned Bow, Stern, port and Starboard areas all deserted of anyone what so ever. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

"Ghost ship flottilas !" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

And I fear that it might be too late into the development process of the game now to ask if there are going to be any sailors, crew etc modelled onto these ships..even static non-moving representations of them would be fine. Better I think than nobody at all.

Its like a fleet of Mary Celestes ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

RedTerex

mog_tr
06-02-2004, 01:46 AM
The lack of any crew or intricate detail on the ships was conspicuous to me as well. I suspect that the ships are modelled to be viewed at 2000m through a periscope, not to be looked at very closely with a floating camera. If there were crew we would almost never see them, and it would probably come at the expense of a hefty performance hit.

delphin-U190
06-02-2004, 02:10 AM
may be we could see survivor when a ship sunk, some life boat could be a more realistic add.

And see some small ship of the convoy come to rescue them could be cool

Profy_le_Troll
06-02-2004, 05:11 AM
Life boat, hehe nice idea so we will be happy to ermpty our machine guns on them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Remember Furher's order "No prisoner of war"

delphin-U190
06-02-2004, 07:26 AM
Not exactly the truth...

Admiral Reader give order to not rescue the survivor after an U Boot have been attacked by plane during it towing rescue boat charged with passenger and italian prisonner of war.

The U boot escape by diving but some life boat sunk due to the plane straff and the diving of the U-boot

Redwine
06-02-2004, 09:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Profy_le_Troll:
Life boat, hehe nice idea so we will be happy to ermpty our machine guns on them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Remember Furher's order "No prisoner of war"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi.....

Read about the Laconia incident.........

After a "Liberator" plane attack to a "U-Boot" towing Laconia's survivors in life boats......... the order was "not rescue survivors", due to the allied attack to subs rescueing survivors........vey far and diferent than to "kill suvivors"

The B-24 "Liberator" attack fails, and hit the survivors boats instead the sub, killing lot of Laconia's survivors..........


PD :

In the History Channel, in a document film, they saids the original oreder of Hitler to Doenitz was to kill the survivors......

But Doenitz respnse was .....

"Negative Fuerer, my boys are the elite of the elite, and this kind of order can destroy their moral.........."

Converting him self in the first officer to said "NO" to a Fuerer direct order in his face.........

If I do not remember bad, the film saids this fact had influence in his martial court at Neurember........



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jagtigermk2
06-02-2004, 01:55 PM
We have had a big discussion on ships with crew.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=857101043&m=663102863

Redwine
06-02-2004, 05:54 PM
Yes I know.......

Away from that, would be great to see ship evacuation........

A really inmersive feature.........

Regrettablelly, we will have not this feature due to some kids looking for to shoot survivors........

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CB..
06-02-2004, 06:56 PM
it's bizzare really
games like grand theft auto actively encourage the player to beat old ladys to a pulp with base ball bats in order to steal their cars...yet having crew on ships in a subsim is taboo.....me-thinks things have gotten turned round some-where along the line...political correctness is a contradiction in terms..

of course GTA is not a simulation.(who can tell these days LOL).. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Profy_le_Troll
06-03-2004, 09:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redwine:
Yes I know.......

Away from that, would be great to see ship evacuation........

A really inmersive feature.........

Regrettablelly, we will have not this feature due to some kids looking for to shoot survivors........
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Hehe No, Not for that. We all know submarines warjob was to kill the unit not the men. But when they sunk a ship survivors as soon as back in port returned to other ships and sails again. As it was impossible to reduce USA shipyard output. So the number of ship available for the allies. Killing the sailors was an option letting the allies have the ships but not the men to use them.

Redwine
06-03-2004, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Profy_le_Troll:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redwine:
Yes I know.......

Away from that, would be great to see ship evacuation........

A really inmersive feature.........

Regrettablelly, we will have not this feature due to some kids looking for to shoot survivors........
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe No, Not for that. We all know submarines warjob was to kill the unit not the men. But when they sunk a ship survivors as soon as back in port returned to other ships and sails again. As it was impossible to reduce USA shipyard output. So the number of ship available for the allies. Killing the sailors was an option letting the allies have the ships but not the men to use them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I had read that opinion, in example in the book "Ultramar Sur".

But almost today, there is only one situation in that hard success happens, only one Kapitan captured later and executed due to that action to shoot survivors....... no more.

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xrvjorn
06-04-2004, 05:09 PM
Lifeboats/rafts: why not simply make them an indestructable part of the moving scenery?

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jagtigermk2
06-04-2004, 06:14 PM
I feel very strongly about this subject, until the Laconia incident U-boat commander tried to minimise loss of life to some sort of degree.

http://www.rmstitanichistory.com/laconia/laconia.html

This is a simulation, so having survivors from the boats and aircraft should realy be a must. I know some people on this forum dont like the idea of having survivors, but look on combat flight sims, the planes and bombers do not have empty cockpits.

I think having survivors should be added, You could have a bad affect on mens morale if you have to leave loads of survivors drifting in rafts,lifeboats. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

If you SH3 devolopment team think this will be too controversial, just think what some other person sad on this forum, "in todays world controversy sells".

SailorSteve
06-04-2004, 06:25 PM
I'll also vote for survivors as part of the scenery, even if it's just lifeboats pulling away from sinking ships. As far as believable gaming goes, atmosphere and feel are everything.

I agree with Jagtigermk2; in combat flight sims it actually gives you a good feeling to see a downed enemy's parachute open rather than watch his flaming plane hit the ground or explode in midair.

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RedTerex
06-05-2004, 01:35 AM
If they want a 'realistic' sim then regardless of all the ifs and buts they should still add crew members and life-boats and to stop dilly dallying around with political issues and red tape.

regards

[This message was edited by RedTerex on Sun June 27 2004 at 04:17 AM.]

TASKFORCE1x1
06-05-2004, 02:53 AM
I agree! Remember back in the days of Taskforce 1942? It was a commodore 64 game or Amiga 500. The trailer for that game showed people on board when it went through the trailer fly-by shot of the fletcher class destroyer. Thats the kinda effect I want to see. Even if its random movement. Anyways when you hit a ship with a torpedo you see debris. Why not show people diving in the water too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Common men the water is fine.

bertgang
06-10-2004, 05:30 AM
I vote for survivors and lifeboats.
Ethical problems about this have little sense in a game.
I'm strongly against war crimes, but if someone likes to shoot at unfair sprites who care?
For denegate this pleasure to virtual war criminals I know other way; no effect for shoots, as example.