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Charlie901
02-03-2004, 12:02 AM
My dad is a private pilot (he just got his commercial license for a challenge) and he owns a Beechcraft Bonanza.
Anyway, I grew up with a love for A/C since it's been my dad's hobby for as long as I can remember and it's always been his dream to fly a P-51 Mustang.
Well he's meeting me in Orlando Florida in two weeks and he asked me to give him a ride to the airport (to ride and fly a two seat P-51)which supposedly has many vintage WWII aircraft. Being an avid flight sim enthusiast and loving IL2 FB I jumped at the chance to give him a ride just so I could check out some of the A/C in the airfield and maybe talk with some of the pilots who fly these beautiful planes.
Well the kicker was when my dad said, "Oh by the way I booked you a 60min flight in an SNJ with an instructor so you can have some fun too".
Now I can't wait to go up in this WWII Trainer for some aerobatics and maybe a little stick time. I heard you even have to sit on your chute!
But my question is this? I've flown my dad's plane a little once it was in the air. I've gotten pretty good at turning while watching the guages and maintaining altitude but what can I expect when I go up in the SNJ? Also what can I take or do to keep myself from getting airsick, LOL?
I don't want to go up and go for a leisurely sightseeing tour. I want to see what this A/C can do? Is there a rule as far as what to eat/not eat beforehand and how do you prevent getting airsick (not that I plan on it).
All you pilots out there I need some advice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

B.T.W. I'll be taking my digital camera which also does movies. I'll try posting some shots or maybe a quick vid.

Charlie901
02-03-2004, 12:02 AM
My dad is a private pilot (he just got his commercial license for a challenge) and he owns a Beechcraft Bonanza.
Anyway, I grew up with a love for A/C since it's been my dad's hobby for as long as I can remember and it's always been his dream to fly a P-51 Mustang.
Well he's meeting me in Orlando Florida in two weeks and he asked me to give him a ride to the airport (to ride and fly a two seat P-51)which supposedly has many vintage WWII aircraft. Being an avid flight sim enthusiast and loving IL2 FB I jumped at the chance to give him a ride just so I could check out some of the A/C in the airfield and maybe talk with some of the pilots who fly these beautiful planes.
Well the kicker was when my dad said, "Oh by the way I booked you a 60min flight in an SNJ with an instructor so you can have some fun too".
Now I can't wait to go up in this WWII Trainer for some aerobatics and maybe a little stick time. I heard you even have to sit on your chute!
But my question is this? I've flown my dad's plane a little once it was in the air. I've gotten pretty good at turning while watching the guages and maintaining altitude but what can I expect when I go up in the SNJ? Also what can I take or do to keep myself from getting airsick, LOL?
I don't want to go up and go for a leisurely sightseeing tour. I want to see what this A/C can do? Is there a rule as far as what to eat/not eat beforehand and how do you prevent getting airsick (not that I plan on it).
All you pilots out there I need some advice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

B.T.W. I'll be taking my digital camera which also does movies. I'll try posting some shots or maybe a quick vid.

T_O_A_D
02-03-2004, 12:24 AM
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RedDeth
02-03-2004, 01:09 AM
ive done it and its a blast. you can even do manuevers such as rolls and loops . AFJ MASTIFF has done it too. he has picks on the afj site . you might have to click the link to the old mastiff site im not sure.

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Bansai Potato
02-03-2004, 01:55 AM
What you can expect is an awful lot of noise but no real get up and go. The Harvard is an ok trainer aircraft, its perfect transition material to a real Warbird simply because it has the same sort of weight as a WWII Fighter but only half the power.

What you eat is upto you it effects people differently, i like a fry up before some serious aerobatics, but that can have disastrous consequences for other people.

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SpinSpinSugar
02-03-2004, 03:49 AM
Congrats, Charlie901!

I've been up in a Nanchang CJ6 and done a full aero routine - it's a blast. Re: airsickness, if you're at all worried get the guy to stick to positive G (this doesn't rule out much, to be honest). DO make sure you have eaten before you go up, just not to excess and not immediately prior. Basically don't do anything different to your normal routine. A normal breakfast an hour or two beforehand should be fine.

Hope that helps, and enjoy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Sturmtrooper
02-03-2004, 08:03 AM
I have the choice of going up in a T-6 Trainer or a Boeing N2S-5 Steerman , which should I choose ? Enclosed cockpit or open cockpit ? It's either going to be in April or August .

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RIO_66
02-03-2004, 08:33 AM
where are you flying in florida?
i did the T-6 ride in kissimmee 5 years ago (www.warbirdadventures.com) (http://www.warbirdadventures.com)). 30min of aerobatics with stills and video. was great fun, and the t-6 is a very nice plane to fly. very good balanced aileron and rudder.
we did wingover, loop, roll, cuban eight, reverse cuban eight (my favourite) and 4 point roll.
the instructer does it first, and the second time it's your turn. i just wasn't allowed to grab the throttle.
as i fly gliders normally (told him that) i was in control shortly after take-off.

about airsickness: as long as you are on the stick, there is no problem. i got a little sick shortly before landing when the instructor had control again.

when i was in hawaii in 2002 i fly with a boeing stearman biplane. open cockpit - lots of noise. there was no aerobatics involved, and i was only allowed to fly a short distance straight and level - so the t-6 ride was a lot better (for me)

RIO

Triscadec
02-03-2004, 08:40 AM
The foods to avoid before a flight or boating are fatty foods. Avoid fried foods, and don't over do it. In other words, don't eat like it's your last meal.

I read one time on a F-16 pilots website (tongue in cheek of course...) that if you think that you might get airsick, then eat bananas, because they taste the same coming up as they did going down. LOL.

Good luck.

T

XyZspineZyX
02-03-2004, 09:55 AM
You'll love it; I did.

My Texan Hop, way back when (http://www.naysayers.com/9jg52/T6.html).

Some things to be sure and do:

1) Check how "well" you can see to the rear quarters while strapped in (fodder for the cockpit/no cockpit argument). The Texan has a generous, Grumman-style canopy. But it's *still* hard to see behind you.

2) Remember to do "crap the football" anti-G stomach strains during ANY maneuver. Try and get the pilot to warn you a few seconds before he begins maneuvers so you can be sure to do this, to ward off blackouts.

Having a grey or blackout, like I did, is quite an experience (both eye opening and eye CLOSING!!) It's well worth "allowing it to happen" if you find you are naturally resistant, or do well with your anti-G strains.

If you don't have the level of program where YOU get to fly the plane, pay extra and get it. Trust me, taking the stick just for a few minutes where YOU are banking, turning and rolling is easily worth the price of admission.

vanelvis
02-03-2004, 10:38 AM
I went up in a T-34B about 11 years ago. It was still a comisioned US Navy plane flown by the head recruter for Michigan. The pilot let me take control of the stick and perform what he told me was a 2 1/2 G turn. He then took it up a gained some altitude and performed a Loop. He did some other turns and rolls. It was the best flight I have ever been on. I did feel a little nausious when we landed but the flight was great. I would love to go up in a 2 place P-51 some time.

TX-EcoDragon
02-03-2004, 12:14 PM
Look into the reliefband or similar if you have motion sickness history.

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Many flight schools will actually rent them, so ask about that, it shouldnt be too costly if they do. I am sure that the flight will be pretty gentle, the T-6 (and most warbirds) are not capable of very extreme aerobatics, they have relatively low roll rates, and tend to be fairly gentle, relatively speaking. That said, the G loadings required, and the unusual attitudes may make people feel a bit quesy, a few aerobatic pilots I know wear the relief band, and many aerobatics instructors do as well (as it is of course more likely to make you sick if someone else is flying).

After all of this has been said, there is something to be said for simply not fixating or worrying too much about getting sick. . . much of motion sickness is stress induced/augmented. You will have a great time!

To the other poster who asked about the Stearman PT-17 vs. T-6. . . they are different!

I have flown both types (much more time in the PT-17) and I tend to enjoy the open cockpit of the PT-17 a bit more, and I find the PT-17 is a bit more aerobatic (despite no inverted fuel/oil system). The views over the top of a loop with nothing to obstruct your view, the sounds and the wind are all quite fun! The T-6 is faster (and has less wind noise so its easier to hear on the intercom), and will be a bit more fighter like, but will require higher entry speeds, and will take more effort to maintain enrgy to fly a continuous set of maneuvers. Also, they are probably not very similar in their rental rate, if I had x amount of money in my pocketbook, I would take two hours in the PT-17 over one in the Texan.

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Taylortony
02-03-2004, 12:22 PM
COOL......... Aviation has a 100% record you know.......we've never left anyone up there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BaldieJr
02-03-2004, 01:18 PM
Eat bananas. They taste roughly the same when coming up.

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CowboyTodd41
02-03-2004, 02:06 PM
Hey,

I had alot of time in my Dad's Luscombe 8A before I went up in a Pitts, and it sort of just came on naturually to me, trust me once you get up you'll do fine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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DONB3397
02-03-2004, 02:48 PM
Congratulations. If you've flown in your dad's plane, it isn't likely to be a problem.

Over the years, I've bought rides in three warbirds -- T-6 (almost identical to the SNJ), B-17G, and B-24 (Dragon and His Tail) -- and it's pure fun. If you have any concerns, call the company/museum providing the ride. The pilot wants you to have a good time. He'll tell you what to expect. If it's the Valiant Air Museum in Kissimee, their a/c are first class. There is another in Titusville.

Have fun! It's a great experience.

Charlie901
02-03-2004, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
You'll love it; I did.

http://www.naysayers.com/9jg52/T6.html.

Some things to be sure and do:

2) Remember to do "crap the football" anti-G stomach strains during ANY maneuver. Try and get the pilot to warn you a few seconds before he begins maneuvers so you can be sure to do this, to ward off blackouts.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


What's this? Does it entail just tightening your stomach muscles?

Thanks for all the advice. I'm not really worried about getting airsick I just want to let the pilot know he can go all out and not have to worry about me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

lindyman
02-04-2004, 03:38 PM
One thing you can do to reduce the risk of getting sick, or reduce the degree of sickness, is to ask the instructor for tips regarding head movement and where to focus your vision, for each kind of manouver. Even a simple thing as a heavy G-turn can be quite disorienting if you move your head around carelessly.
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/Bjorn.