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The190Flyer
08-17-2004, 10:27 AM
Hey everybody, I was wondering if any of you know out there, there has been a gun type that I have no idea what it is. Does anybody know the single gun sprouting out of the nose of the 262 1945 version. I know it's huge, looks like an AA gun or somethin, lol.


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The190Flyer
08-17-2004, 10:27 AM
Hey everybody, I was wondering if any of you know out there, there has been a gun type that I have no idea what it is. Does anybody know the single gun sprouting out of the nose of the 262 1945 version. I know it's huge, looks like an AA gun or somethin, lol.


"Once I saw the P-51's flying over Berlin, I knew the jig was up."-Hermann Goering

China Flanker 1
08-17-2004, 10:34 AM
that is not gun it is cannon,very big cannon,big big big http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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The190Flyer
08-17-2004, 10:42 AM
Yes, I know it is not a gun, I was being vague. I know that it's a cannon, but do you have any specs on what the size it is ??mm.


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PBNA-Boosher
08-17-2004, 10:44 AM
IT is a 30mm MK108 cannon. the A-1a version has 4 of them and the A-2 version has 2.

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Jaws2002
08-17-2004, 10:45 AM
That is BK5. A 50 mm one shot one kill cannon.
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/arm/arm5.jpg
More detail here:
BK5 (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/arm/arm5.htm)

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bazzaah2
08-17-2004, 10:47 AM
was it for use against bombers or intended as a replacement for the Hs129 with that 75mm jobby?

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08-17-2004, 11:09 AM
bombers, hitlers idea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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bazzaah2
08-17-2004, 11:15 AM
that makes sense, given that the 4x30mm is so puny, lol.

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The190Flyer
08-17-2004, 11:47 AM
Boosher, I was talkin about the 1945 version, thnx Jaws, thats one hellacious cannon, yeah if you can hit with it it TEARS apart anything it hits, i don't like it that well, but it's fun to mess around with sometimes.


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Ak9779
08-17-2004, 12:03 PM
Yep! It's pretty much the railgun of the skies.

It's fun every now again to go up and "joust" against a bomber. The object it to hit him on the first head-on pass.

...Then dodge the flying pieces.

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Fafnir_6
08-17-2004, 12:33 PM
Actually the Me262A-1aU5 is the newest tilting aircraft for jousting. So-called "gun barrel" is actually a specially designed lance which German pilots would use to unhorse American bomber crews while competing for the favor of Eva Braun.

Gives a whole new meaning to "Gettin' medieval of those guys".

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Monson74
08-17-2004, 12:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fafnir_6:
Actually the Me262A-1aU5 is the newest tilting aircraft for jousting. So-called "gun barrel" is actually a specially designed lance which German pilots would use to unhorse American bomber crews while competing for the favor of Eva Braun.

Gives a whole new meaning to "Gettin' medieval of those guys".

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Fafnir_6
08-17-2004, 05:07 PM
Indeed. He was known as the squire. If he won enough tilts he was promoted to belly gunner.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

Huckebein_UK
08-17-2004, 05:17 PM
The BK5 had a very good accurate range - better than the MK 108. The idea was Me 262s wouldn't have to get so close before opening fire, making high-speed passes safer and easier. The downside was that the flash from the 7ft muzzle protruding from the nose used to temporarily blind the pilot, so there was no such thing as a 'salvo' of 50mm shells being fired...

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Xiolablu3
08-17-2004, 06:56 PM
Yeah guys you are right, it was a 50mm Cannon.

Bet it couldnt carry much ammo unfortunately.

(Or fortunatly for the allies pilots)

WTE_Galway
08-17-2004, 07:02 PM
the Italians had a bomber fitted with a 120 mm cannon for use against navel targets http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fRitz0r
08-17-2004, 08:07 PM
the 262 with BK5 actually scored kill's on it's test flight, think it got 3 B17's on it's first test flight if i'm not mistaking.....

Germany had alot of insane idead, but alot of em actually contributed to the world we have now

the last german submarine class is the father of all mothern sub's

the V2, father of all modern cruise missiles and space rockets, direct decendent of Saturn 5 rocket

The Mig 15 is a rippoff of Fock Wulf TA 183 jet fighter

the AK47 is a rippoff of the StG43/44

The Panther okay, a rippoff of the T34, but the tank is so to speak the father of all modern tanks, possibly the best balance of firepower and engine power

the Fock Wulf TA 152 (short winged ver.) quite possibly the best piston engined plane of WW2, allied (US and GB) pilot's was ordered to not try to fight it unless they had a possible 110 % chance of winning.

this is possibly the MOST BS uwe read in a tread......or is it???

_Neveraine_
08-17-2004, 11:25 PM
fritz0r some of your facts are incorrect in particular the ak-47/stg44, possibly the Ta 183 (From memory Kurt built it in Argentina under a diffrent name and it wasn't particularly successful) and I've heard few reports of allied pilots meeting up with Ta-152's let alone allied command telling pilots to avoid them.

WTE_Dukayn
08-17-2004, 11:30 PM
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warweapon2
08-17-2004, 11:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dukayn:
All assault rifles owe their existence to the StG44, it was the first true Assault Rifle

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Actually its THE SECOND true assault rifle, the first being the FG 42. But the STG44 is actually the father of all modern assault rifles.

WTE_Galway
08-18-2004, 12:24 AM
actually was wrong about the 120-mm

the plane was a Piaggio P.108A: and it was 105-mm

info here:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/q0174.shtml

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/guns/p108.jpg



same as calibre as the C130 gunship

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/transport-m/c130/ac130_06.jpg

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/guns/c130-2.jpg



the 50 mm was also fitted to the 410

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/guns/me410.jpg



the Mitchell got a 75 mm gun

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/guns/b25h.jpg



some mosquitos had 57 mm cannon

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/guns/mosquito.jpg



and a variant of the hurricane we do not have in FB sported a pair of 40 mm cannon

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/guns/hurricane.jpg

WUAF_Badsight
08-18-2004, 03:28 AM
that would be the IId Hurricane Tank Killer

there is a lot of mis-infomation posted in this thread

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fRitz0r:
the 262 with BK5 actually scored kill's
on it's test flight, think it got 3 B17's on it's first test flight if i'm not mistaking.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

nope it jammed on both flights it had (thats right , flew twice)

never fired in anger


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fRitz0r:
The Mig 15 is a rippoff of Fock Wulf TA 183 jet fighter.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

not entirely true either

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Huckebein_UK
08-18-2004, 03:33 AM
I'm pretty sure the MiG-15 is a heavily modified, aerodynamically refined Ta 183. They had to move the tailplane down from the tip of the fin, they had to install boundary layer fences, and they re-vemped the cockpit area, but it was all based on Tank's design. Kurt Tank did try and make a go of it in Argentina, and for the short period during which he was testing his 'Pulqui II' (as it was designated), Argentina had the most advanced jet aircraft in the world. The stability problems that the Russians had to overcome were still rife in Tank's design though, so they were never very successful.

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Engrs
08-18-2004, 05:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by warweapon2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dukayn:
All assault rifles owe their existence to the StG44, it was the first true Assault Rifle

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Actually its THE SECOND true assault rifle, the first being the FG 42. But the STG44 is actually the father of all modern assault rifles.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The FG42 cannot be considered an assault rifle, as it was chambered for the standard 7.92mm battle rifle round.

bazzaah2
08-18-2004, 05:58 AM
could the 262 have accommodated 103s?

That would have taken care of distance problem of the 108 and not take so much performance away, mebbe.

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Huckebein_UK
08-18-2004, 06:02 AM
There shouldn't have been too mucb problem accomodating MK 103s in the '262's weapons bay, but I think the RLM far preferred the '108's ROF and hitting power over the '103's muzzle velocity...

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
08-18-2004, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fRitz0r:
the Fock Wulf TA 152 (short winged ver.) quite possibly the best piston engined plane of WW2, allied (US and GB) pilot's was ordered to not try to fight it unless they had a possible 110 % chance of winning.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

do you know that not a single TA152C was ever build and in service ?

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Huckebein_UK
08-18-2004, 08:16 AM
Yup, only the Ta 152H-1 Huhenjager made it to operational status.

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