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Piscopoto
03-13-2004, 11:14 PM
After spending about 12 hours manually testing my favorite plane, the LA-7, to figure out it's performance data in the game, I have now learned that there are people who are running this program "IL2 Compare" that have inside knowledge of the game code that would take an honest test pilot a million hours to collect.

Knowlege is power and this game is supposed to be fair right? If this program is not made publicly available I am going to complain ... loudly.

Piscopoto
03-13-2004, 11:14 PM
After spending about 12 hours manually testing my favorite plane, the LA-7, to figure out it's performance data in the game, I have now learned that there are people who are running this program "IL2 Compare" that have inside knowledge of the game code that would take an honest test pilot a million hours to collect.

Knowlege is power and this game is supposed to be fair right? If this program is not made publicly available I am going to complain ... loudly.

tolwyn.com
03-13-2004, 11:22 PM
Can I complain loudly if you're too lazy to google?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22il2+compare%22

LEXX_Luthor
03-13-2004, 11:28 PM
You need to "compare" your results to this program. I find it pretty much accurate as far as my speed tests. Its a very nice program.

I ~love~ this disclaimer...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We are not responsible for any psychological damage...
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ACCEPT | REFUSE <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>hehe we do kinda go psycho over this stuff.

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Old_Canuck
03-14-2004, 08:01 AM
Guess I'm getting too old to understand the new gaming mentality. We used to play games to have fun.

OC

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Piscopoto
03-14-2004, 05:15 PM
LOL. I guess you don't mind playing chess against someone using a chess machine either.

Decyrpted SFS files are no laughing matter when it comes to competition.

I'm kinda surprised Oleg allows people to do this. It kinda takes away from the mystique of the game.

Fillmore
03-14-2004, 05:38 PM
I think you misunderstand something about Il-2 compare.

For one thing it isn't like playing chess against someone with a chess computer, it is like playing chess against someone who knows how all the pieces move lol.

Once you get Il-2 compare you will see it is a bit limited, and is not perfect (though the level top speeds seem to be).

G13man
03-14-2004, 06:04 PM
Im new ,what is this , acheat, a learning sim, a chart ? should i down load this?

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Flamin_Squirrel
03-14-2004, 06:32 PM
Its not a cheat, it simply gives performance data of the planes in FB. You should download it, it will help teach you how to get the most out of your plane.

And as for an La7 driver complaing about others trying to gain an edge, lol. All the knowledge you need for that is "i can out perform anything in any area of the flight envelope".

JRH147
03-14-2004, 09:45 PM
Is 2.3 the latest?

03-14-2004, 10:46 PM
"inside knowledge of the game code" ????
"cheat" ????

You have GOT to be kidding. Nice troll, though.

To fly an airplane you need to know a thing or two. You're only cheating yourself if you keep wallowing in your own ignorance.

This data is exactly the kind of data real pilots spend hours agonizing over!

I'm holding out for E-M diagrams in a future version of IL2 Compare, too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

269GA-Maxmars
03-15-2004, 01:47 AM
IL-2 compare is necessary for understanding planes performances, and for confronting them.

It's just a study tool, not a cheat or anything, and we should be really thanking ROSS_Youss for creating, and above all sharing it with the world.

Many many squads keep this kind of info jealously secreted, but he decided to release it to the public so that everyone could at least have the possibility to improve his/her combat skill.

Will your 109 climb better than that LA5FN at a given altitude and a given speed?

Will you be able to outturn that Dora in your Mustang if you deploy combat flaps?

These are the kind of answers you'll get from this program.

AEP version is 2.3, as far as I know.

AH_Viper
03-15-2004, 02:13 AM
I can see your point but for me, I like to try out my planes to get a feel of how they fly, not how they preform on papper.

For instance, it might tell you that a P38 can do 500K/h or whatever, but does it tell you what prop pitch they're using.... Does it tell you the skill of the pilot so that he knows not to max his engine too long so that it overheats... Does it tell you if the pilot even knows what prop pitch is?!

I fly the spit every game. However, I don't know the top speed, I don't know how fast it accelerates... only thing I know is that it has about 6 seconds of cannon ammo. Also, I don't know how fast a P38 flys, but I've tried flying it and I know it will outrun the spit, I know that it won't outturn the spit, and I know unless the guy has a wee bit of sense he wont be able to pull out of a dive with a P38.

Thats maybe not everything I need to know but I want to learn by doing. If I didnt I would be stuck in the Spit every game, and thats just not fun.

jurinko
03-15-2004, 04:06 AM
IL2 compare is great. You can learn that p-38 will outrun 109G-6 down low, that Ta-152 is slower than La-7 down low but excell over it in 7km etc. There is nothing cheatish there. Must-have utility.

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Piscopoto
03-15-2004, 06:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Does it tell you the skill of the pilot so that he knows not to max his engine too long so that it overheats...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No but I'm sure now that there is a cheat program (similar to "IL2 Compare")that tells someone how long the planes can overheat too (to the second).

Of course this program probably "decrypts" some different SFS files and is only available to a handful of people(too good to release to the public)

Takata_
03-15-2004, 07:24 AM
Piscopoto
Il-2 compare use simplified algorithms for calculation, not rough "decrypted" SFS files. Just try to get informations about it before flaming someone else works.

Those algorithms are close enough to game's data to provide interesting informations but it doesn't show all parameters.

Maddox dev. team use it for quick checking about FM's modification and beta test. They allowed ROSS_Youss to release it for us too.

Talking about "cheat program" is just plain silly.
S~
Takata

TacticalSkirmsh
03-15-2004, 08:49 AM
I think others have stated it very well that IL2 Compare isn't a cheat. There are a lot of folks who enjoy learning about WW-II and the various planes that we fly in this simulation.

For instance, I presently have two large binders full of various documents/articles/charts related to this game. I enjoy reviewing cockpit diagrams, ammo loads, as well as tactical combat techniques. Again there are a lot of great resources online made by fellow gamers.

I too would like to personally thank the individual who updates this wonderful program. It helps me to better know at what speeds to make the more ideal turns, and generally how I should approach a particular plane based upon their flight characteristics.

You do know that in real war countries absolutely studied their enemy planes in realtionship to their own? If you don't wish to take the time and effort in doing so, please don't criticize others and refer to them as "cheaters." Thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Of course while all this information is interesting and fun to acquire (well to folks like me), and while it assists in becoming a better virtual pilot, there are many skills that only practice can produce.

While I may know all the technical things about two planes, if you have superior E and altitude, a strong surprise attack, and I'm going down in flames. However, perhaps on my fall I'll bore you to death with all the information about your plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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GvSAP_Dart
03-15-2004, 09:13 AM
Just don't get too crazy with it.

First, it's a close approximation to the results in the sim - darned close - but your results may vary.

Secondly, your results may vary. If you're out of trim you'll NEVER get the results in a "perfect" world of simdom.

Third, the compare program is great for performance speeds, but not combat speed. There is a huge difference, and one that can be exploited against a "superior" plane.

Compare the LaGG with the Yak. On paper, the LaGG is faster. Therefore, one could say the LaGG is better for high speed passes and should outrun the Yak. In reality, this is not true.

Why? Responsiveness! The Yak-1 is much lighter and therefore accelerates much quicker - an important edge in air combat.

I picked two VVS planes on purpose, btw.

Also, just because the chart says one plane is "better" than the other guarantees NOTHING, as it's all fun to talk about until you enter the server.

Example: I like to fly the 1940 Hurricaine. I'm familiar with it. I have become fairly proficient with gunnery in it, and understand it's limits.

When someone takes up a 109/G6, the numbers say they've got me hands down.

But charts don't fight, people do.

I do well against all models of 109 and sleepy 190's, owing to the impatient nature of virtual pilots.

That said, understanding aircraft's strengths can go a long way!

The ME-110, for example, outruns the snot out of a Hurri above 2,700 meters - something that suprised both myself and the Hun in the 110.

Rather than take advantage of this, however, he decided to get into a turn fight and go low, where I had the edge.

Cry bias? Not likely. Same for when I caught a 190 low and slow. On paper a 1940 Hurri shouldn't beat a 1943 FW-190. But I did. I had the tactical advantage and used it. And severely damaged the second 190 that tried to come to his rescue (a handy partner finished him).

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HarryVoyager
03-15-2004, 09:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tolwyn.com:
Can I complain loudly if you're too lazy to google?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22il2+compare%22<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So which of those links is the current one? Is there a version in English? Most of those as in languages I do not yet know, and the Google translations are...somewhat...humorous, to say the least.

Or, in short, would it be to much to ask for a straight answer?

Harry Voyager

clint-ruin
03-15-2004, 09:49 AM
Around here - it probably is too much to ask.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/il2c_v23.zip

http://home.iprimus.com.au/djgwen/fb/leninkoba.jpg

ASH at S-MART
03-15-2004, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
Around here - it probably is too much to ask.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/il2c_v23.zip

http://home.iprimus.com.au/djgwen/fb/leninkoba.jpg
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Where does the DATA come from? Granted, I assume the program is getting the data from the individual TEXT files.. but WHERE did that data come from? I thought I read somewhere that someone had figured out how to READ the IL2 *data* files.. If so.. is that where this data comes from?

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clint-ruin
03-15-2004, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASH_SMART:
Where does the DATA come from? Granted, I assume the program is getting the data from the individual TEXT files.. but WHERE did that data come from? I thought I read somewhere that someone had figured out how to READ the IL2 *data* files.. If so.. is that where this data comes from?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's something I'd be very interested to know myself at this point.

Back with Il1C_1.1 Youss and Oleg were saying it was calculated data from the raw FM before "final tunes" were applied.

Tests upon tests [most memorably - those done against Cubes work that plotted -real- in game climb against Il2C and historical source data] have been done on this stuff showing that at least with older versions there was quite a large difference between absolute numbers in-game and in Il2c.

But now Oleg has said in Robbans test thread that data is compiled from..

Look better for the new Il-2 compare. This was done by many people and the values of testing approximated in one curve from all teseter. It looks close to what we have.
Its not our data! Its a test data.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=452105862&r=582106862#582106862

So I would presume that it is now a slightly better tool to use for absolute in-game values.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/djgwen/fb/leninkoba.jpg

JV44Schtirlitz
03-16-2004, 05:35 AM
A very nice troll-feeding thread.
Are you full,troll?