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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 11:43 PM
I love Il2 single player in both versions.I spend a sizable amount of my time painting and posting skins for it.Why then does it appear so dire online.
I haven't been online with either version for about 6 months.I became disillusioned by low ping,stutter and planes that make a SU37 look as manouverable as an Me323.
Time goes by and I think"new version,1mb cable connection,I'll give it another chance" I go on and what do I find? You guessed it.Thrust vectoring aircraft etc etc.
Now I'm the first to admit that I'm a mediocre pilot at best but from my experiences today I believe there is something seriously amiss with the online gameplay or,like I say,am I missing something?

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 11:43 PM
I love Il2 single player in both versions.I spend a sizable amount of my time painting and posting skins for it.Why then does it appear so dire online.
I haven't been online with either version for about 6 months.I became disillusioned by low ping,stutter and planes that make a SU37 look as manouverable as an Me323.
Time goes by and I think"new version,1mb cable connection,I'll give it another chance" I go on and what do I find? You guessed it.Thrust vectoring aircraft etc etc.
Now I'm the first to admit that I'm a mediocre pilot at best but from my experiences today I believe there is something seriously amiss with the online gameplay or,like I say,am I missing something?

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 12:07 AM
I feel the same, I just played a wee bit online just now and I didn't enjoy it either. I have played about 3 hours FB online in my entire life. I have been playing IL2 single player for more than a year now and FB since it came out. Just now I was following a FW 190 and because of the fast roll rate of that craft it looked like an old cartoon stuttering and warping all over the place because of the lag.

I have cable and it makes no difference, people seem to warp the second I am about to blow them away, plus it is so fustrating, I prefer SP for Flight Simulators and FPS for MP games, if I was a student I would have more time, to chase planes for hours on the net but at the mo I prefer a quick FPS fix when I need a MP game.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 12:17 AM
I played online most nights for a couple of months before I gave up. Not because of any technical problems but because I was sick of being a target drone.
I found HL ran very smoothly most of the time, provided I was careful to choose a game with a reasonable ping.
I'm only on a modem connection and a fairly low powered machine(I can only manage 25fps average offline in IL2 and 20fps in FB).
I must confess that it was rather fun and the guys were great.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 12:22 AM
Online, IMHO, is a joke...full of people(kid-like) who cheat and are obnoxious and simply are unpleasant to deal with. They are Gamebox, first-person shooter types in my opinion. Ludicrous fantasy skins, uber-planes fighting uber-planes without regard to nationality/markings, generally nasty snot-nosed attitudes... I seriously doubt if more than 10% of online DF'ers are older than about 15, mentally.

Don't even mention having ANY interest in historical reality/simulation.

They do say that the COOP people are an entirely different bunch, and I believe that. The On-Line units/squadrons/etc as seen on their respective websites seem VERY serious and professional. But the DF'ers are for the pits. I tried online DF's off and on for a couple of months, then kissed it good bye and have never gone back.

It's a joke.

The worst joke of all, however, is the fact that the Very Verbal Onliners dominate this and similar forums, demanding changes/mods/patches/etc which 95% of all Ownders(customers) of IL2 and IL2:FB could care less about.

By the way, at a point in time a while ago, Oleg made it very clear that the On-liners were an insignificant[my adjective] Minority(he said 5%) of all his customers.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:19 PM
I agree w a lot of what's being said in this thread. It takes a long time to become skilled enough to get kills OL, but what takes longer is finding games w/ enjoyable players.

But they are out there! I spend hours a week OL and have become very good @ finding games w/ interesting and honorable players. And finding the right game is a skill.

Here are a few guidelines I follow to find good games:

1. Host my own.

2. No Wonder Woman view! (I won't attest to the reason, but games w/ the no cockpit option attract the worst kind of player)

3. Remember games you've enjoyed and go back to them. This also applies to honorable players. Seek out those who have proven fun in the past.

4. Avoid rooms w/ large amounts of players. (This also solves some of the lag/stutter issues)

5. be respectful and honest yourself. (If all you care about is that next 100pts then don't be surprised if you end up in a room where everyone else dose too)

6. Give FR a try. Just try it.




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Tully__
07-27-2003, 05:29 PM
Sounds like you're missing co-ops, though there are some good DF servers around too. Online play does require a bit of patience to find a good server and pilots to fly with, but I think it's worth the time if you have it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:36 PM
I'd like to see more 41-42 servers. With only blue against red planes. I think this makes for some fair fights.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:42 PM
online is where the people with real skill play, there are a few ahole kids, but the majority of HL people have great games. Online people vs ai there is no compairison at all


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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:45 PM
Like Wiley said,if you want to spend enjoyable time online go to coops.IMO best type of coops is online wars.Although they aren`t perfect I consider them best way to fly noline.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:48 PM
Spitter,

I hate that snobbish attitude. I'm sure there are plenty (not me) of offline players who could wipe you out online.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:51 PM
I was a looooong time offline player, since LucasArt's Battle of Britain ( anyone remember that ). I tried online play ( of anykind ) about two weeks ago. Now the only time I fly offline is to practice for online play. Online is waaaay better.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:57 PM
Online play is what this game is all about.

What a pathetic, lonely existence it must be for those who only play offline. To never know how good you are, to play canned missions. To each his own I guess.

When I play online I look for a server that is full and has the most skilled pilots. Usually this is the cockpit-off servers, but sometimes the cockpit-on servers can be fun too. You can't cheat in IL2/FB so don't worry about that.

Just a word of advice. Turn the bloody skin download off! The lag in FB is bad enough (compared to IL2) let alone downloading 1024 skins all over the place.

Online is a dogfight, not a support group. Don't expect people to act like they are in church on Sunday. It's dog eat dog!

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07-27-2003, 06:00 PM
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I sent you a PM.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:00 PM
Ray,
Can you get anymore narrow minded?

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:10 PM
Aside from lag,which varies from time to time,online fights are 1000 times better than those completely predictible A1's.Most people arent jerks either.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:18 PM
go to the VEF wars and then come back and tell us what you think..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:20 PM
The AI are predictable, but so are humans once you get to know them. Humans also make huge mistakes. One of the biggest is they don't see you. The AI always see you.

I'm not preaching for offline only. I'm open minded enough to like both. There is something to be said for no warp at all../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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07-27-2003, 06:26 PM
mziubinski wrote:
- I was a looooong time offline player, since
- LucasArt's Battle of Britain ( anyone remember that
- ).


Their Finest Hour: The Battle of Britain, yes I remember it! It was my first PC game. SWOTL was the second :P

I only tried online for the first time about a year ago, and I was badly mauled. That discouraged me for about a week then I kept at it. Being 30 myself I enjoyed the more mature attitudes of IL-2 to the FPS games I had been playing online. It is still a much more mature gaming community on the whole then most other games (admittedly it had gone down on FB, IL-2 was better for maturity.) You can still find good crowds on HL from time to time.

I was actually on <AFJ>Mastiff's server yesterday, in a very nice dogfight with a Hurric Mk.IIc (which I was in as well). When I engaged him I mis-judged the ammo I had left from a previous engagement on that sortie and ran out after only giving him a few holes for decoration. I stayed on his six very tight to kinda "make the point" that he was mine, other then the ammo thing, then disengaged. He dogged me back to base not letting up. A few times he got into a firing position but I was mostly sucessful at evasion (he took the tip off my right wing). At this point I was low on altitude, energy and of course ammo, and basically his for the taking. He saw that I was right over my airfield and he DISENGAGED! My gear was not down yet. I am sure from the amount of shots he took that he must have still had ammo. I chalk it down to an honorable pilot. They DO still exist.

If this sounds like a scrap you had yesterday on that server, S!

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:30 PM
agree with WalterMitty. Most of the time ppl are ok. Of course you meet some idiots online but you just shouldn't let one person spoil your evening. Online wars are what i like best. You have nice missions against HUMAN pilots. You can never tell if they do something unexpected. With AI you always know what they do: Stay on course, stay on given alt and always do the same manouvers. I once flew 45 minutes over a target area in Iron Skies without a single contact cause the enemies decided to go for something else, still it was nice and by far more realistic than a stupid AI who doesn't think at all but therefore can't be suprised by any attack. I don't play offline anymore except some QMB for training or tests.

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adlabs6
07-27-2003, 07:02 PM
Hi Bo_Nidle,

I too am a big fan of offline campaigns. Finished all of them on the original IL2, along with a few 3rd party campaigns. In FB I've had a pretty bad experience so far with the campaigns, usually because my squad is wiped out in every mission by AI, etc, etc.

This alone has led me to fly online almost exclusively in FB, just to keep from getting bored with the sim while waiting for the patch. So far, I've had a nice time online. The most important bit is what others have said... Find a server that has good, 'nice guy' pilots, and play there often. Most servers (and pilots) are great in this community, so more often than not it comes down to settings and maps you like.

On the thrust vectoring planes... yes, this seems insurmountable at first. I found my way around it by trying to follow B&Z tactics very strictly, as it keeps me out of the line of fire of most planes most of the time. Sometimes if I'm being serious, I actually will run out of gas before getting killed, but this is rather usless, as my aim is so rough that I rarely make kills, only annoyed enemies.

You ask if you are missing something... Well maybe the real point of some of the servers. This game is like any other online game. You have to choose the weapons that win... to win. I'm not saying that you can't be an ace in a Mig3 or a FW190, but you'll need to be a practicioner, not a 'player' to compete. Others may choose a 109, Yak or LA and get right into it, with a good chance at results here and there.

Has playing online helped my flying? Certainly. Have I 'converted' to online mainly? Certainly not. Offline is still miles better for my likes, especially in terms of having an immersive feeling of being in a cohesive group, that is making headway (or not) in battle, over the course of a war effort. CO-OP's and scripted DF servers are very nice in simulating this these days, but still the scope is narrow comparitively. I do realize that online wars are a nice blend of the two, at least from what I've read on the web, but without being in a squad, no broadband in my area, and my schedule's peculiarities, this isn't an easy option for me.

Anyway, I'm sure looking forward to the patch, so I can dissapear into my campaigns again.... Ahhh /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 07:26 PM
I love playing offline, there are many reasons why it`s far preferable than online. A few good posts have mentioned the snotty, irritating attitude of kids who play for themselves in superman view. Sometimes AI are better than the kids!
But I spend a LOT of time online too, Why?

Cos I`m in a Squadron. In a Squad you get a better kind of player and they`ll always join you online if you happen to be on a server by ya self to give you wingman back up or in a good-natured VS battle.

That said you can get good servers (even dog fight ones), but it takes a bit of work.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 07:42 PM
No your not missing anything realy your experiance is like most of ours

Altho I can tell you this, If the server hosts 12 players only & everyone in the server does these few simple things its a whole lot better...

Set network connection to 14k or 28k
Turn off Skin Downloads
Only Use Default FB Skins
No one use Wing tip smoke
No one use Lights
No one use Print Screen or take screenshots with any 3rd party tool

That about Iliminates all the cool chit in FB, but if you wana have a smoother Online experiance you gota fly with People who will Respect thoes Rules & comply with them otherwise..... Forget it !!!

Maybe the patch will fix it but Im sceptical @ this point!!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 08:03 PM
Lag/Stutter is a huge problem in FB. Often you stutter for a second as someone spawns, or your prey launches into a right angle lag maneuver. I've grown used to this, but it's a huge problem and I'm confident the patch will address this.


We need the patch because I believe it to be unrealistic to expect everyone to set up their game w/ no skin DL and all that crap. Nor should anyone have to! These features are built in to the game and they should work.




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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 08:11 PM
OberstWiley wrote:


The worst joke of all, however, is the fact that
- the Very Verbal Onliners dominate this and similar
- forums, demanding changes/mods/patches/etc which 95%
- of all Ownders(customers) of IL2 and IL2:FB could
- care less about.


Well Willy Online is where the action is at.. I mean how many times can you kill the ai before your bored ?

I get bored Fraging Computers I want someone in controll of the ac im fighting a human not AI.

I think that your numbers are wrong & infact if the online lag issues were corrected Id say more like 50 % fly online in some form or fasion. Coops are exelent as well if they are made right & hosted right

The real Joke here is that I Tryed to Fly A Pilot Carear
& I got past the first Mission very fun I did like it but the next mission It loaded was a SOLID LIGHT BLUE SCREEN !!!

I tryed several times same chit !!!

I posted in Olegs Ready Room about the Problem & was told I dont know what im talking about that there is no Problem with the Pilot Carear/Campighn Go Figure... So I said the hell with it I wont fly the Game Since ther is no support

What Kills me Is people like you who make these Comments about other people & Generalize that were all 15 yearold with same mentality

Well your wrong Most of the Pilots I fly with are Older & have great Maners & attitude there are some with big egoes but for the most part there harmless

You just got too KICK the lamers from the server & youll be ok....

Sounds more like you got yer tail waxed online & had to go fight the AI /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Just a bit of Bravado there for ya /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 08:25 PM
Online combat flight is not even in the same galaxy as online FPS.

Online FPS is a bunch of cheating people from Korea, calling themselves "clans" (degrading for a special forces sim .. but hey it sounds "evil" so it's cool right?) demanding that you change the map to Killhouse, chanting "gogogogogo" And when you play a bigger map it's some guy hiding behind a rock killing you from a mile away with a single press of a button.

There is no comparison.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 08:28 PM
Yeah right RBJ,I`m sure you`re a known camper in FPS world.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 08:31 PM
I have not flown online with Fb or IL2 but all the major online games warbirds etc.All anybody does is sit over their own airfield and wait untill you come to them.Most aren't even in the air you head to a base where's there 2 or 3 enemies and by the time your there 5 others have taken off.I like full relism which to me should include only fighters that would have fought one another ie. allied vs axis.Very rarely do they do a "historical" night with a bombing raid or whatever and I have been told they are better but they are few and far between.If the online FB experience is much different plesae let me know.Also after having fought off 5 enemies for 5 minutes only to finally get caught and you get told got you a**hole is most of what i ran into.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 08:33 PM
Online can be vastly more fun than single player - moreso in Coops. No more looonggg boring flights with only yourself and time compression - you can chat with someone on the way! I don't really care how wierd the AI is, or how strange people say it is. The AI can be good opponents and are especially fun when the odds are even. Add to the fact that you have human players to cover you (and you cover them, of course) it can be great fun.

Dogfights can be good as well, but you have to be careful what games you join. Look for 8-10 player dogfight servers if thats what you want to do; hardest settings seem to attract better people than the easier settings. I was in a dogfight server just last night (MOH_Fox's server if you really have to know) and it was a lot of fun. At first there weren't many players that were willing to chat/use teamwork, but later on it got a lot better - got to escort some bombers with my P-47 (didn't make it to the targets though - darn flak!).

Overall, if you want the best experience with people, look for coops or host your own. If you do host your own, be sure to announce what the mission is and the type of mission, as well as aircraft flyable in the mission.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 09:25 PM
ure just so fed up because u wont hit a thing :-)
online gaming is much harder than sp.

an ai-enemy could never be so good as an human - and its the best kick to hunt one of em down, instead of beating a stupid pc that always reacts the same way.

Cheaters are stupid, but there arent too many
how about a punkbuster for FB ?

the speed isnt so bad if u get a ping under 200, every lag then is just a shortage of ram

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 09:41 PM
sgt_tobs

You can make offline as hard as you want. Set up a QMB fight. You in a 109F4 against 3 ace La7, and 3 ace Yak3. Then tell me it's easy.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 09:55 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- sgt_tobs
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- You can make offline as hard as you want. Set up a
- QMB fight. You in a 109F4 against 3 ace La7, and 3
- ace Yak3. Then tell me it's easy.


Sure you can fly a sopwith camel vs. an F16 offline to make it hard, but how much fun is that? About as fun as jugling tennis balls in your bedroom.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 10:01 PM
Don't get silly Ray. My point is you can make offline as hard as you want. You can make it for easy kills, or about your skill, or way harder than you can win at.

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07-27-2003, 10:01 PM
Online and offline play are two different worlds. Campaigns are often more realistic in that you have a goal and the enemy has a goal other than just shooting you down. Online play you get the chance to really dual w/ intelligent opponents in quick engagements. Arguing on over the other is moot. We all have the game and can experience both. I enjoy offline and online. I'm not saying you can't prefer one over the other, just that if you're not experiencing both then your not getting your money's worth.



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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 10:21 PM
I love online. You can actually sneak up on enemies (realistic . . and fun, especially when you are in Yak-9K (AKA BFG))

the pilots online are probably the most mature gaming community I have encountered (I am a long time Homeworlder, America's Army player (some real dickwads there) and Roboforger (tiny community, but it has idiots as well))

Many pilots are nice and honourable . . I was playing one server that had just opened, one side was a Bf-109 and an La-7 and I was in my Yak-9K and my pod had just installed the game and didn't know anything . . so it was 1 v 2 basically. I shot down the la or the 109 (can't remember which) and was trying to help the new guy get airborn . . and I forgot to hit the '`' key so just about every feature of my airplane went bad. gear and flaps went all over the place, that was easy to fix. engine stopped, i got it restarted, but oil (or something) was pouring out of my exhaust and I could see the oil pressure gauge go from bad to worse and I'm sitting there thinking (uh-oh) meanwhile, the e that I had not just shot down was nearing . . . and I asked him to let me land and refly (we were right over my base) and he just buzzed me many times while I landed . . . THAT was a true good sport.

online play, is, imho, more fun.. You say its hard to kill 3 La-7 and 3 Yak-3s offline, and I will not argue. Its also hard to beat 16 La-7's when you are in a TB-3 offline. Online, take a Yak-9K against a 109 that has altitude and speed on you and see how easy it is. .. . Or, conversly, take a 109 on a La-7 and see how easy it is . . .

Offline, you gotta go solo against the AI myraids to get a challenge (unless you go head on in which case an I-16 or rookie will own you). Online, it doesn't matter what the enemy is flying, any one on one fight is a challenge . . and when you mix it up by falling in behind an enemy 109 thats chasing a friendly 190 and the two are so close that you hold your fire and wait for things to loosen up so you can fire a fe 45mm shells to liven things up . . and the 190 does the panic break gear/flaps/radiator maneuver and finally give you the chance at the 109 . . while a 262 is coming in near verticle with you in its sights . . . . . That is where the fun is.

And this complaining about no respect for nationality whatsoever . . . You are right, I don't care if my 9K is on the red or blue side . . what matters is whether or not the teams are even.

In a 1941 realistic plane choices server the ruskie would have no chance.

in a 1945 realistic plane server all the ruskies SHOULD be flying the La-7, but that makes them incredibly lame and its no fun . . .

Online is where you get an accurate representation of your skill against other people's skill.Online players are not predictable .. . . they make mistakes and, trying to compensate and keep them in your sights, you make mistakes. People crash without taking a single hit. People crash into each other.you may find yourself in a 1 v 4 furball only to become a 6v6 in the next minute.

Online FB is probably the best computer game experience I have ever had. It just gets the blood flowing, you know?

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 10:48 PM
Aflak

I assume your talking to me,as you quoted what I said. Where did I say anywhere that I don't fly online? I believe I said I do both.

I also don't agree with what you said about 42 servers. The Russian side has good planes to work with. Yak1B, Hurricane, P-39 to name a few.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 11:42 PM
Well all I gotta say is that offline is always there and reliable. Online is unpredictable. The best thing Olegg ever did was create a `dynamic campaign`. Not everyone`s on the net and If there are connection probs or human players are particularly annoying that day, at least you can play against AI which at least won`t insult you! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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07-27-2003, 11:57 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 12:02 AM
I like to play online and kill noobs, who think they are aces/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif it's so funny/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 12:21 AM
There I was in my Trusty FockeWolfF8 I choose the furthest base from the enemy, Decked her out in Jabo 1x500sc & 4x50sc, She was heavy but I got her off the ground...

I set my throttle n Prop-pitch, cracked the radiator and started to climb.

I was Imagining all the carnage I was about to wreek upon the unexpecting enemy as I drew closer to there base.

I knew this map fairley well, as I had played it before there were no map icons of any kind, so I was using the map and the compass to find the enemy base, padlock was also disabled wich was great for this Jabo Raid.

I could just bareley make out the enemy base in the distance, I was @ 3500m 450kmh @ 85pp radiator wide open, I was just starting to see the enemy & low and behold there on the deck was a TB3 sitting on the runway, Preping for lift off.

I thought to myself... Ill never make it in time, Im too high im not going fast enough, Just at that moment I rolled her over & went into a powerdive @ 75 degrees I was going about 750kmh when I shallowed the dive just then a bf109 spawned right in my flight path, I lined it up & let 2 of the 50s fly, about 3 seconds later the tb3 was in my sights, I dumped the other 50's & the 500 pounder right in front of the TB3, Just as I released thoes.... the first 50's detonated & boom the 109 was up in smoke.

The Tb3 was just about too lift off & kapowwwwwwwwww it died in a firey explosion tumbaling end over end down the last few feet of the runway.

The fighters were swarming all around as I pulled up & climbed out over the top of them. They were all low & slow and were no threat as they were sparing with the other fighters so I leveled out & took her Home.

Just knowing that there were 2 Folks that just got Lit up from the ground up made me Laugh loudley as I streaked acrosse the sky. What a Rush !!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

You cant beat that...... online action !!! Baby!!!

Offline Muahahhahahahahahahah Its just not the same !!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 12:25 AM
oleg86 wrote:
- I like to play online and kill noobs, who think they
- are aces


Oleg you are a noob /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif u better kill yourself /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 12:44 AM
Online is another world - most people who play boxed sims against ai are baby seals online - I have yet to meet anyone who can play online without a lot of practice and I've played for years - started with Red Baron, went to Fighter Ace for 3 years now am playing Aces High - took me 4 months to understand what was happening in RB, bout 2 months in Fighter Ace and then about 2 weeks in Aces High - so after about 5 years of practice I went to a new online sim and it STILL took me weeks to understand how to play the game.

If you think you're really, really good - join a mmog - most of them have a free two week sign up - let us know how you do.....don't make too many arf arf arf seal noises when you first take off.

adlabs6
07-28-2003, 01:13 AM
This discussion is being clouded by overlooking the basic differences between online and offline play purposes.

Online play is all about dueling. On most of the servers you will find running at any one moment, that is what is happening inside. Find a plane of the opposite team and shoot him down. This has a nice flow after a while, and can be very rewarding with practice. I think my longest 1 on 1 lasted about 5 to 7 minutes. I was dead tired by the end, I lost, but I was happy, very happy. This is the meat and potatoes of online play for me.

Try that offline. Now you will get the often quoted response: "How many times can you kill AI and not get bored?" That's the truth. But offline play isn't about dueling. A campaign has a story, a target, and takes time, days, weeks, months to complete. You have to WANT to fly 100km in the rain to blow up the wooden bridge, even without seeing an enemy fighter one time. And then do it again the next day. This is the spirit of campaigning: Facing what ever challenge is next mission after mission, always advancing the front. I am happiest here.

And the two do not meet. At least not without sacrificing at some point a good deal of what makes each special.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 01:36 AM
For the most part thats true but with some of the new tools such as FB daemon there are campighn/Missions that are run back to back & the front is pushed either way, according to who won the last battle, its very good, there called scripted servers.

Altho I have not seen FB Daemon used to its full potential
I have flown some awsome scripted servers wich have a goal & a mission its not just shootum up its bomb this base & kill these tanks & these ac & this bridge you do that your team wins next map loads front lines have moved in your favor.

I understand what your saying tho Offline is more like a large coop but none are humans except you.

My problem is that I have not been able to ever fly an offline Pilot carear in IL2FB it dosent work with ATi9500 Pro

So I probly dont even know what Im missing...

I flew offline missions in IL2 tho so I assume its simular.

I have made several DF Maps & in 95% of them I try to design
it so that Jabo is the focus of the fighting, I designate targets Place convoys & Supply Trains Static AC & Armor for Bombing pleasure its not quite the same as offline but its preaty satisfying evading lots of fighters & striking the Tank's or Hitting the Convoy or Trains I even add some explosive train cars inside the hangers & buildings so they realy make a nice Bang when you bomb them.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 02:42 AM
No, adlabs6 has it all in a nutshell. Perfect! READ IT AGAIN. KIDS!

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adlabs6 wrote rather intelligently:


This discussion is being clouded by overlooking the basic differences between online and offline play purposes.

Online play is all about dueling. On most of the servers you will find running at any one moment, that is what is happening inside. Find a plane of the opposite team and shoot him down. This has a nice flow after a while, and can be very rewarding with practice. I think my longest 1 on 1 lasted about 5 to 7 minutes. I was dead tired by the end, I lost, but I was happy, very happy. This is the meat and potatoes of online play for me.

Try that offline. Now you will get the often quoted response: "How many times can you kill AI and not get bored?" That's the truth. But offline play isn't about dueling. A campaign has a story, a target, and takes time, days, weeks, months to complete. You have to WANT to fly 100km in the rain to blow up the wooden bridge, even without seeing an enemy fighter one time. And then do it again the next day. This is the spirit of campaigning: Facing what ever challenge is next mission after mission, always advancing the front. I am happiest here.

And the two do not meet. At least not without sacrificing at some point a good deal of what makes each special.

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I play online a lot and nothing beats taking down a good human flyer, but it all becomes a little meaningless. Fly around and around constantly `dueling` as adlabs6 said. The campaign allows me to fight a WAR. To feel and in a way EMPATHIZE with the courageous men who had to do it for real. True you can get that with coops and on VOW/VEF to a degree, but offline gives you the time and versatility.

Oh and SCHADEN I aint no dumb seal, I`ll meet you one day and prove it! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 02:47 AM
When flying online i prefer coops or scripted servers. I stay away from those free for all DF servers. They were boring in CFS and they are boring now in FB. Coops can be challenging and having a common goal to achieve as a team IMO is much more fun than just trying to survive.....

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 02:52 AM
Offline AI can't compete with a human opponent....on both ends of the scale. I've seen humans do some pretty dumb things.

Circle jerk DF servers and 1 on 1 jousting tournaments can be fun but have about as much to do with real air combat as anorexic hippos dancing the Nutcracker in tutus.

Find an online war where you get the campaign aspect of single play and the challenge of a human opponent.

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 03:08 AM
Join a squad that works together on voice communication software, Learn from people who have been online for a long time.

The reason online is so much better play, is the teamwork and subsequent victories that come from real wingmen, not colliding AI.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 04:20 AM
Coops, online wars, and the scripted servers allow for an experience much closer to reality than can be obtained from an offline campaign. Both can be enjoyable but if you are the type to go out and buy HOTAS, rudder pedals, track ir, and super computers all for the immersion then you are limiting yourself and your potential enjoyment by staying offline. Too each his own but how can you base these decisions on a few experiences. Try a squad and see how that treats you there are many recruiting including 4./JG52 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ....

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 05:01 AM
There's few type of players in FB. I mean majority we can different it by Offline and Online. But beside it, online player also have different tpye of group:-

1. Historical reality/simulation type.
- ppl who look for historical close type of DF.

2. Just fly for fun type.
- mostly prefer no cockpit on.

3. RED VS BLUE with script server.
- both red and blue fighting for territory. Winner will advance forward to new territory (map reload).
- The mission will depend on completely destroy enemy tank or aircraft/pilot.
- This server are not suitable for anti-vulcher.

4. Fly as a group type.
- A group of squadran with open server, asking for all the player go to other side to fight with them, regardless of how many of them.

So, if you want to try online. Once again as it mention before. Choose which type you want to fly.

Here's a suggestion:-

Need 1 voluntier host. Offline player/anti-online player choose a date, and experience the beauty of online world.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 10:53 AM
If you like sweating palms, go for RED vs. BLUE scripted servers, preferably Full Real or with limited (friendly) icons hence you get all in one: realistic environment without stupid AI, task to be accomplish, team effort and ruthless war going on (won't be surprised to be shot while hanging on your chute, every craft and man counts..)

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 11:25 AM
Your right on the button there adlabs.

From personal experience - I used to only ever play IL-2/FB online and then I moved house and don't have a cable modem. Does it bother me?? Not really because offline is just as good IMO, its just a totally different game.

I also see a lot of offliners who go on line for the first time and not surprisingly get spanked time and again. Most offline tactics do not work against human players. It's just the same as offline - practice makes perfect. You'll soon discover that human players make the most basic mistakes that you can use to your advantage e.g 190 trying to turn fight a Yak-3. I should know because I make them...

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 12:27 PM
ehem... how can I find those historical-reality DF?

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 03:16 PM
I did initially get 'spanked' when I went online for the first time, That soon passed since it wasn't that I was a worse pilot, just not used to the tactics of online play. I give as good as I get now.

Interestingly, I prefer to play w/ padlock, but score better in online games w/o padlock.

and, where are those, 'historical-reality DF?'

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 04:58 PM
Online wars are great. With voice comms they're REALLY great. I look at DF rooms (strictly LW vs. VVS and FR no icons for me) and offline as being more like brushing up on my gunnery and flying skills. But DF rooms do get boring after a while. Especially when I'm getting hacked out of the sky all the time /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 06:52 PM
Ars_401 wrote:
- He saw that I was right over my airfield and he
- DISENGAGED! My gear was not down yet. I am sure from
- the amount of shots he took that he must have still
- had ammo. I chalk it down to an honorable pilot.
- They DO still exist.

Being new to the online arena: is that the unwritten rule about the gear being down? I mean, I am trying to do the right thing online, so... if I see a guy coming in for a landing, it's only considered ok to shoot if he's not yet got his gear down and he's within proximity of his airfield, is that it?

I know, I know, war is hell, all is fair, blah blah... but this isn't war, it's a game, and I'm trying to learn the ropes without stepping on toes.

I'd rather let a guy get back in the air and settle it there >8)

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 08:14 PM
Lt.Davis wrote:
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- 2. Just fly for fun type.
- - mostly prefer no cockpit on.


I challange you on that point Sir.

In a real ac you will have much better view of your suroundings than this sim offers even with pit off.

Pit On is fun & challanging now & then

I did it for nearly 1 Year it adds more Difficuilty to the sim, IMO it does not add more reality there is a differance

The views are simply too restricted even with track IR you cant lean foward or or lean in any direction

I watched a Show the other Night about P-51 Mustangs
The P-51 ACE said this

Its all about Vision & Awarness

He sayes That the Pilot that spoted the enemy was going to win the Fight More than 50% of the time Regaurdless of the AC types......

So with that in mind the most Important thing in this sim for me is Being able to Keep sight & win the Fight.


Realy Whats more realistic

Closed Pit with Padlock

Or open Pit with No padlock

IMO its the latter altho I do & will fly in the Pit

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 08:14 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- I'd like to see more 41-42 servers. With only blue
- against red planes. I think this makes for some fair
- fights.
-
- Da Buzz


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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 08:15 PM
Can someone give a quick 1-2-3 step process to getting on good co-op/scripted servers? Are you using ubi.com to find these servers or some other program? I want to get into online coops/script but don't even know where to start. I would also like to possibly join a squadron but don't know how to find one with mature, helpful folks.

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 08:23 PM
Hey Valcor. If you ever find a server that you like, you can log the IP address and use the "join" option in the game instead of going through UBI or any other locator.

Click Multiplay/Join server and type in the IP address then click join. Try this one: 209.209.44.54:21000



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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 08:41 PM
Will do. Thanks Thunderbolt.

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 05:50 AM
ok i cant believe some of the Dumba$$ things being typed in this thread
IN NO WAY DOES OFFLINE COMPARE IN DIFFICULTY

the Ai is accurate but oh so DUMB

everyone gets lag & warp on the online ... its the nature of the internet

but online compared to off-line IS NO COMPARISON

ONLINE TOTALLY RULZ

humans are SOOO much harder to kill compared to AI

ppl who play only offline have NO IDEA how cool this game can be .... the campaings suck .... basically this game is exactly like C&C Genrals ... ok offline but AWESOME ONLINE

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 08:25 PM
Like I said...I tried online, but the rude and uncool teens and teen-like people make it a horrible experience.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- ok i cant believe some of the Dumba$$ things being
- typed in this thread
- IN NO WAY DOES OFFLINE COMPARE IN DIFFICULTY
-
- the Ai is accurate but oh so DUMB
-
- everyone gets lag & warp on the online ... its the
- nature of the internet
-
- but online compared to off-line IS NO COMPARISON
-
- ONLINE TOTALLY RULZ
-
- humans are SOOO much harder to kill compared to AI
-
- ppl who play only offline have NO IDEA how cool this
- game can be .... the campaings suck .... basically
- this game is exactly like C&C Genrals ... ok offline
- but AWESOME ONLINE
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07-30-2003, 12:23 AM
Bearcat99 wrote:
- When flying online i prefer coops or scripted
- servers. I stay away from those free for all DF
- servers. They were boring in CFS and they are boring
- now in FB. Coops can be challenging and having a
- common goal to achieve as a team IMO is much more
- fun than just trying to survive.....

Yep, flying online in coops with your mates is a very fun and rewarding experience.I understand those that hate DF servers full of un-cool kids etc. as I do too. Flying in those cluster ***k servers sucks warm cheese. However, flying in a squad with your mates is an experience that regardless of how you set it up, you don't get with offline flying. Not that offline does not have its great points because offline flying is fun as well.

What I enjoy about this sim the most is ironically what I enjoy about being an American the most. FREEDOM. You have the freedom to play this sucker just the way "you" want too, and I'm not going to tell you that you are not having fun playing it "your" way. However you play this sim, I'm sure that you will enjoy your experience. S!

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Message Edited on 07/29/0304:24PM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:45 AM
OberstWiley wrote:
- Like I said...I tried online, but the rude and
- uncool teens and teen-like people make it a horrible
- experience.


You must not like playing any games online then, because online combat flight is as friendly as it gets.

I feel sorry for you.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 01:01 PM
HELLS BELLS!!! I seem to have started something.Last time I checked this post there were 3 replies!!
Well I've read through the comments and after consideration I'll give it another bash.I'm on leave now until the 18.8.03 and the Mrs has no jobs lined up for me (for a change) so I'll have more skins out and start getting my arse shot off again.
However,that said,there does appear to be an element that takes all this WAY too seriously.

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