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michapma
03-23-2004, 07:32 AM
I flew the Zero in combat for more or less the first time this weekend. I find most of its performance to correspond to accounts I've read about it. It was a sleek, light fighter, excellent thrust to weight ratio for acceleration and climbing, and highly maneuverable.

The only thing that really surprised me was its roll rate. I don't have any way of really analyzing it, and although I realize asking this kind of question is begging for a whine fest, I'm just curious what others' impressions of the roll performance is.

It's poor enough to affect performance to the point that I had serious trouble staying with a P-40 through some maneuvers, although the crazy turn performance usually allows you to easily beat any P-40 that will turn with you. I just remember following an AI P-40 into a dive. I expected him to quickly pull away in the dive, but instead he rolled this way and that, changing the direction of the dive far faster than I could keep up. The result is I would have to pull out of the dive, turn and dive again to get back on him.

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michapma
03-23-2004, 07:32 AM
I flew the Zero in combat for more or less the first time this weekend. I find most of its performance to correspond to accounts I've read about it. It was a sleek, light fighter, excellent thrust to weight ratio for acceleration and climbing, and highly maneuverable.

The only thing that really surprised me was its roll rate. I don't have any way of really analyzing it, and although I realize asking this kind of question is begging for a whine fest, I'm just curious what others' impressions of the roll performance is.

It's poor enough to affect performance to the point that I had serious trouble staying with a P-40 through some maneuvers, although the crazy turn performance usually allows you to easily beat any P-40 that will turn with you. I just remember following an AI P-40 into a dive. I expected him to quickly pull away in the dive, but instead he rolled this way and that, changing the direction of the dive far faster than I could keep up. The result is I would have to pull out of the dive, turn and dive again to get back on him.

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Raider_356th
03-23-2004, 07:41 AM
S!

Im not to sure, i have only flown it once...but make sure you have dumped to 25% fuel, but im sure u knew that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif but i think the roll rate is a little off...

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Rajvosa
03-23-2004, 07:43 AM
Zero was excellent at low speeds. At ca 500 km/h controls were very stiff. USN pilots discovered this weakness, plus it's low dive speed and created tactics that made it possible to beat a A&M with a Wildcat.

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PikeBishop
03-23-2004, 08:57 AM
Take note here that the roll rate is more or less correct for the A6M2 but it is too slow for the A6M5 but has not been corrected yet...it will be soon though I should think. The P40 can outroll the A6M2 at speeds above 250mph but all the zero pilot needs to do is climb back up for another attack - it will always hold the advantage in height. Remember at about 200 - 250mph the Zero can turn and climb at the same time from level but the P40 can only do one or the other...not both together.

regards,

SLP

michapma
03-23-2004, 09:57 AM
Yes, it was the A6M5 I was flying.

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AirBot
03-23-2004, 12:07 PM
The Zero has superb maneuverability at low speeds, but it's huge control surfaces means its becomes a flying brick as speed builds up. At higher speeds, roll-rate is very slow, and the turn isn't much either.
You'll want to keep the fight slow to use the Zero's advantages.

BlindHuck
03-23-2004, 12:29 PM
While flying a P-40, if you were bounced by a zero the standard escape (since you weren't going to outmaneouver it) was to dive away (gain speed to load up zero's controls) followed by intermittent quarter/half rolls while maintaining a couple g's. Zero had very poor roll at speed. Glad to have helped. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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