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MoritzJGOne
08-25-2004, 09:47 AM
Comments on carrier readiness and the Wolverine have inspired me to toss out an idea for a new IL-2 format that may even enlarge the flight sim market.

I would guess that for every flight sim pilot, there is a would-be pilot who put the game up being too hard. Somehow opening the box and quickly mastering a FW190-D is not something most people can do.

What I suggest is a sim that could be called 'Cadet Pilot'. You can join the Soviet, German, RAF, USAAF or USN and go through their training from primary trainers through the who cadet corps.

Aircraft types: Soviet: PO-2, Mig 7, Germaun Buchman, FW trainer (forgot Number), US: PT17, PT19, BT13, AT9, AT10, AT6, British (either train in the US or Canada) Tiger Moth, Anson, Oxford.

The real trick would be an AI instructor, screaming at you until you solo. Then, it's cross country, gunnery, formation and for the swabbies, carrier landings on the USS Wolverine.

MoritzJGOne
08-25-2004, 09:47 AM
Comments on carrier readiness and the Wolverine have inspired me to toss out an idea for a new IL-2 format that may even enlarge the flight sim market.

I would guess that for every flight sim pilot, there is a would-be pilot who put the game up being too hard. Somehow opening the box and quickly mastering a FW190-D is not something most people can do.

What I suggest is a sim that could be called 'Cadet Pilot'. You can join the Soviet, German, RAF, USAAF or USN and go through their training from primary trainers through the who cadet corps.

Aircraft types: Soviet: PO-2, Mig 7, Germaun Buchman, FW trainer (forgot Number), US: PT17, PT19, BT13, AT9, AT10, AT6, British (either train in the US or Canada) Tiger Moth, Anson, Oxford.

The real trick would be an AI instructor, screaming at you until you solo. Then, it's cross country, gunnery, formation and for the swabbies, carrier landings on the USS Wolverine.

wickedpenguin
08-25-2004, 10:25 AM
Interesting idea. I wish IL-2 and PF would come with at least a basic course like that, to get noobs' feet wet. It could get you behind the stick of a FW-44 Stieglitz or a T-6 Texan and teach you things like engine management (mixture, prop pitch), basic maneuvering, slow flight and stalls, evasive/offensive maneuvers, accurate gunnery, and munitions.

Microsoft Flight Sim already has the flight school aspect down (minus air combat and carrier landings of course). It's got a whole flight school in there which teaches you cross country, slow flight, landings, navigation - a lot of material right on through to a "commercial pilot". It's actually very well done, since it's taught by real flight instructors/authors. You learn quite a bit (I got my private pilot "certificate" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif - I stopped because I'm actually going for a real private pilot license.)

Even as someone who's been around planes all their life, I never knew about things like stall-induced spins and propeller torque (p-factor) until I cranked up IL-2 for the first time. I remember getting the demo and not even being able to take-off - I would always ground loop or flip myself.

The first time I DID takeoff, it was really terrific. I can just imagine how many people never got to do that after giving up in frustration.

A flight school would be great for this, considering that you're asking someone to fly a realistic high-performance series of aircraft straight out of the box. Start 'em slow and "graduate" them from something like this:

http://rwebs.net/ghostsqd/images/FW44.jpg

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LEXX_Luthor
08-25-2004, 10:50 AM
Great idea. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Flight sim instructions need to advertise to the Newbie the easy to fly aircraft...even if un~armed.

BoB will have Bf~108...this will make for an AWSUM sim. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

triggerhappyfin
08-25-2004, 11:31 AM
Great idea!

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Gato__Loco
08-25-2004, 01:14 PM
The original training missions in IL-2 were not too bad. I learned the basics with them. Too bad the actual training "missions" are just videos, with no player input.


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WereSnowleopard
08-25-2004, 01:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MoritzJGOne:
Comments on carrier readiness and the Wolverine have inspired me to toss out an idea for a new IL-2 format that may even enlarge the flight sim market....

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Oh Hi Buddy, I am glad that you bring my topic up! I agree with you. I hope Oleg's BOB will have one but may not come with carrier. I learned that third party mod did create a campaign that have training lessons in it. However we do need a training carrier as I wonder how wide and longer of Wolverine's flat-top to make easy for green navy pilot to landing before try for escort carrier size.

Cheers
Snowleopard